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2012-06-27 07:44:59 PM
4 votes:

heinrich66: Good one. Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices. TDS is an exercise in affirming the prejudices of a left-leaning hipster-type crowd.


That's not what comedy is at all.

Comedy is iconoclastic. It goes after whatever is most sacred/taboo/personal/sacreligious, etc... It is all about exposing tropes and tearing down idolotry. Furthermore, there must be an element of truth to comedy. That's what makes it funny. Otherwise it's just confusing and makes no sense. Comedy must reveal truths, not reinforce pre-conceived narratives, and that's something I think Conservatives can never quite grasp.

But while comedy has be truthful, it doesn't have to be accurate. Authenticity is more important than accuracy. For example, look at Chris Rock's comedy which always has a political edge to it. Some of his analogies are loaded to the hilt, but that's okay because the point behind his jokes is not the politics, it's the jokes.

For instance, take his joke about gun control: "I don't think we need gun control, I think we need bullet control. I think all bullets should cost $5000." And then he launches into a hilarious skit about how absurd it would be to shoot somebody and then ask for your bullet back. See, that's funny, but the point is not the political debate over gun control, the point is the funny.

Conservatives don't seem to get this. They don't get satire, they don't get surrealism, they don't get absurdity or parody or sarcasm which are all important weapons in comedy. As soon as you try to hamfist some sort of message into your comedy, it stops becoming an end in itself and starts becoming a means, and then it loses the humor because people did not come to be preached to. They came to laugh.

And this is why comedy should never be seen as "liberal" or "conservative" in the first place. True, pure comedy is politically indivisible, delivered for its own sake, and utterly nihilistic and iconoclastic. If the audience accepts those things, then it becomes very enjoyable no matter the audience's political affiliation.

Conservatives will never accept the "iconoclastic" part because they often think of life as having moral absolutes and that some things should never be made fun of. And that is why they are not funny.

But that doesn't mean conservative humor cannot exist. Just look at South Park: Trey and Matt have done a masterful job of being equal opportunity offenders (making fun of everything from NASCAR and Jersey Shore to World of Warcraft, metrosexuals, Oprah and the NRA). Yet conservatives think its a conservative show, evidently using a careful filter whenever it attacks right-wing issues. Team America, after all, was not just a satire of liberal Hollywood elites.

But despite its total and complete nihilism and its bevy of leftwing targets, South Park is one of the most popular shows among liberals. The reason for this is because liberals don't hold their issues to be above criticism, condemnation, or parody. They can laugh at themselves.

I'm going to reassert this point: Comedy is iconoclastic. If you are too uptight or you hold anything sacred, you are not going to find jokes about the subject matter funny, no matter how clever they are.

This is the problem with Conservative comedians. They see comedy as a means to an end -- to push a political slant. That's where the jokes fail. The purpose of comedy is not politics. The purpose of comedy is comedy.
2012-06-27 03:18:11 PM
3 votes:

heinrich66: Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews.


A Fark Independent. Adorable! * tussles hair* You little scamp! Go run along now.

heinrich66: If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale


You need to run that through the sense filter and take out the Alex Jones tinge. It's not a secret imperialism - Americans know about it just fine - some applaud it. It's just we're too mired in our own selves to do anything about it because the idol is on. Swamp People, et al.

heinrich66: and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.


Groups are made up of individuals. If you have enough individuals doing one thing, it becomes a group doing one thing. Therefore, incorrect.

An individual doing something progressive is nice - but it does nothing on the whole. You become "that one guy". A group of people doing something progressive gets noticed.



So. We've learned that A) "The Man" is to blame and you are totally against him, B) You have no real convictions other than those that allow you to stay "totally on the edge, not weighed down by the things that control the others, man", and C) you think we're inferior to you for having views different from those of a fourteen-year-old latchkey kid.

Time to grow up, Francis.

/bets you own and wear both a vest and fedora
2012-06-27 01:55:04 PM
3 votes:
Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


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2012-06-27 01:43:57 PM
3 votes:

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


No. It'd be nice if the news media would do that, but the Daily Show is trying to be funny, and one side is producing a hell of a lot more laugh-worthy material than the other.

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.
2012-06-27 01:40:57 PM
3 votes:

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.
2012-06-27 01:39:19 PM
3 votes:

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?
2012-06-27 01:25:30 PM
3 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


That's correct; Nixon had significantly more class and a higher order of ethics compared to today's Republicans.
2012-06-27 01:20:59 PM
3 votes:
Republicans will learn

Of this I'm skeptical.
2012-06-27 12:59:24 PM
3 votes:
The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us."
2012-06-27 12:52:01 PM
3 votes:
No, they won't.
2012-06-27 03:59:00 PM
2 votes:

heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


Yeah, it hard to believe that so many conservatives have so much respect for him that they go on his show to be interviewed by him.

BTW, 'partisan' implies that Jon Stewart is actively promoting the Democratic Party in the same way Tucker Carlson promotes the Republican Party (despite referring to himself as 'the least partisan person I know'). If Stewart were truly partisan, there's no way he could get the high-powered Republicans on his show that he does and SURE as hell would've have gotten major Bush administration players like Condoleeza Rice (twice), Donald Rumsfeld (who posted on Twitter that it was the best interview on his book tour), and John Yoo.
2012-06-27 01:45:07 PM
2 votes:

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Wouldn't it be great if you weren't so victimized and didn't have your own Mama's-nipple news network to reassure you of how evil the rest of the world can be?
2012-06-27 01:42:31 PM
2 votes:

Summoner101: Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.

True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.


He would be to liberal for Democrats these days.
2012-06-27 01:24:57 PM
2 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.
2012-06-28 04:50:14 AM
1 votes:

heinrich66: brainiac-dumdum: heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.

Go cry somewhere else. Do you want some sort of affirmative action program to compensate for the fact that conservatives tend to be humorless drones? You don't like TDS because it efficiently and hilariously showcases political BS and most of that BS is stinking up your side of the ideological aisle. If the Left is so chock-full of its own bull flavored shiat it should be easy to mock, so get your own shows and stop biatching.

Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews. I don't believe that as an individual I am entitled to rape and pillage and screw everybody else (Republican). I also don't believe that I have an identity only insofar as I belong to a some category within identity politics (African American, LGBT, Inuit) and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.

If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale -- and is far worse than some "Republican" hypocrisy when it comes to INSERT SOCIAL ISSUE HERE.

The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes ...


... Are you are talking about Comedy or Journalism? You seem to be confusing the two.

Seriously, you are not independent of worldviews. I'm sorry but everyone HAS a worldview and you just stated yours in your previous comments. Your criticizing people for banding together when they cannot be heard as a individual, really? Individualism has its limits like any other ideology! Don't be so smug. You are not the first to ever think of yourself as so unique and such an independent thinker. Its like those idiots you declare themselves a rebel and wear all black or get a bunch of tattoos. Then they start hanging out with people who do and say the exact same shiat.

As for Identity, many people don't simply Identity themselves as belonging to a single political group. When asked about identity most people state their regional ties, ethnicity, or occupation and only sometimes a political affiliation.

First off, you say you watch the Daily Show, think its shiat, but also think its better than anything else on... really? Damnit, I won't go any further because most of what's on now is practically reality TV.

Is TDS supposed to be hard hitting journalism? There are many different styles of comedy... are you saying everyone has to be a George Carlin? Wouldn't that end up being boring as fark, hearing everyone say the same shiat about what "they"(the establishment) wants you to do or believe?

Like it or not, you have a set of beliefs that guide you, a worldview, or ideology. Or whatever the fark you want to call it. You cannot deny it.
2012-06-27 04:53:09 PM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: birchman: Since when are comedians required to give equal time? Did I miss the memo?

sounds like he would like the full reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.


Fox News has spoiled conservatives. They now expect everything to be fair and balanced, which means Republicans are given a free pass for everything they do and liberals are to be demonized at every turn.

Now whenever they're insulted, they whine because that's not "balanced." Stewart mocking them isn't "balanced." Hell my right wing cousin got all butthurt when the Eye of the Tiger guy asked Gingrich to stop using his song.

"He's only doing this for political reasons!"

Yes of course it's political. This is entertainment. Outside of your little media bubble, nobody is required to take your derp seriously, and are free to mock your political ambitions.
2012-06-27 04:10:58 PM
1 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


No shiat, what with his universal healthcare ideas and creating the EPA and all that hippie, liberal, socialism nonsense.

If Nixon were around today, he'd be wondering who the hell let this black ultra-conservative president into the White House.
2012-06-27 04:07:56 PM
1 votes:

The Lone Gunman: This is why conservative comedy is so bad.


i've always kinda seen it as the difference between comedy about politics....and politics about comedy.

Codenamechaz: In terms of cable news, The Daily Show has been the most reliable source. In regular news, most of the newspapers, local and national, are up on their game, and only the bigger, "Gate"-worthy stuff of those investigative pieces get grabbed by the news networks.


yah, probably should have prefaced with 'on tv' - there is still some print journalism, but...even that, the number of desks/reporters dedicated to print journalism isn't what it once was, either.
2012-06-27 03:34:07 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes no real risks, and just tells its audience what it wants to hear. This is not the approach of a George Carlin or a Bill Hicks who said whatever the fark they thought was the truth, fark the audience.


TDS serves a valid purpose by inculcating a young demographic with cynicism and informing them of hypocrisies in the media and politics through satire. Jon Stewart is no Lenny Bruce, but he is highly effective and, for many, educational. If you doubt Stewart's importance as a comedian or as a commentator you should glance over this list[link] of guests that he has had on his show, which includes many heads of state, high ranking government officials, etc. His guests recognize the importance of Stewart's show or they wouldn't take the time to make an appearance.
2012-06-27 03:03:15 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66:
Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.


PBS and NPR skew liberal to the extent that you believe it is the role of the media to reinforce your beliefs, rather than presenting objective reality.
2012-06-27 03:01:51 PM
1 votes:
If you feed "Nixon You Dolt" into Google, that thread pops up. I once did that to find the source of the meme. Haven't read the whole thread, but it does kind of speak truth to the Palin-Republican mentality.

It's an interesting thing to look at, because there are two possibilities behind it. One is that the poster is full of lard. The other is that the poster listened to the words of the Authority he admired, and those words actually temporarily erased the memory of Nixon's resignation from his mind.

I read that "You are not so smart" book about how memories are formed and recalled, This is an "authority" thing. The poster obviously admires Michael Savage, or at least the side that he purports to be on, enough so that when Savage, as an authority, makes a statement like that, the poster's mind stifles the recall of the fact that the statement was false. Combine that with tribalism - "my side is never wrong ever" - and there's his insane attempt to walk it back. "Well, he didn't really resign, he was hounded out of office."

GaryPDX wasn't stupid, but what he did in that thread was prove that he had, essentially, reached a point where he was letting other people do all his thinking for him. He was no longer processing simple information on his own. Don't you kind of wish you had that power over someone? That you could just say any stupid thing and have it be believed? The Republican have that power over a wide swath of the country, and they will exercise it.

"Yes, master...no President ever resigned...Obama is a socialist foreign invader...Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British...Michelle Obama said 'All this for a damn flag...' the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the government...vote Republican...I obey..."

For relevance's sake, you also have Rick Perry above, stating one of the golden truths of modern conservatism: "I don't know why I'm mad, but boy am I mad. This is an outrage, for some reason I haven't adequately figured out yet."

In the movie version of "Game Change," Rick Davis pointed out that they couldn't even mention Obama's name without the crowd getting all whipped up. Conservatives learned a long time ago that people surrender their critical thinking when they're riled up - we all give in to emotion first, before the intellect kicks in and brings us back to Earth, so conservatives have decided that the way to keep and maintain power was to get people angry and keep them angry, for as long as possible, for as many different reasons as possible, and against the wrong people.
2012-06-27 02:59:20 PM
1 votes:
some of you might want to read this Fortune article about fast and furious.
2012-06-27 02:57:09 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do.


10:1 ratios are unacceptable to republicans, remember?
2012-06-27 02:53:40 PM
1 votes:

thurstonxhowell: incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?

He doesn't use remote controls, they're sophomoric.


Not to mention shallow and pedantic
2012-06-27 02:53:11 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66:
This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


*Sigh*
Let's review:
Someone says something retarded, we make fun of it.
Someone says something that is NOT retarded, we DON'T make fun of it.

That's why TDS makes fun of Republican statements so much more often than other people's statements.
2012-06-27 02:51:36 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: max_pooper: heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

That's some long winded "BSABSVR" right there.

Long-winded! A couple of paragraphs, yes! Now get off the internet. Go see how long-winded a book is.


Your ignorance of comedy and satire is eclipsed only by your ignorance of politics.

Do yourself a favor and stop posting. It's much easier to hide your stupidity when you are quite.
2012-06-27 02:49:34 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


NO, it's because the Republicans give free material to TDS every time any one of them opens their mouth.

---"They're slanted because they keep making fun of us because we say stupid shiat 24/7!!!---

(Cue the crying baby pic)
2012-06-27 02:49:02 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule.


"My intent was not to go after Rush - I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh. I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership."
2012-06-27 02:47:12 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.

You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?

YES. Because it takes a revolutionary prophet to say that a shiatty cable show like The Daily Show is actually overrated garbage. Your irony proves the point.


What happened to your larger argument that both of our political parties had bankrupt ideologies, and if only we had clearer minds and saw the world as you did then we would be free of our delusions? Don't abandon me here in the intellectual wilderness with only "the daily show is sh*t" for succor! I need more, oh wise one! Show me the path to enlightenment!
2012-06-27 02:40:28 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.

You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?


Start thinking like a controlling rich white male who wants to impose his beliefs upon the rest of the country. Then you'll realize.
2012-06-27 02:35:19 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally equivalently, you know, like comedy used to do?


Both sides are not equally stupid. Relative to the amount of derp on each side, he tears into them equivalently.

Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do. So the Daily show runs 10 bits on the GOP for every 1 on the Democrats. You're sitting here crying why it's not 10 for each. That makes you stupid.

This may shock you - both sides are not equal. You can continue to vote Republican though.
2012-06-27 02:26:54 PM
1 votes:
This is Obama's Godfather 3.
2012-06-27 02:25:28 PM
1 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: The Daily Show definitely leans left, but if you think they never criticize liberals, you are flat out wrong, and their recent coverage of the Fast and Furious debacle is clear evidence of that.


As was their coverage of Weinner-gate, and just about every legitimate* Democratic scandal.

* Legitimate being the key word, not your run of the mill manufactured Republican butthurt of the day.
2012-06-27 01:55:42 PM
1 votes:
Republicans have been doing a hell of a job at redefining history. Repeating lies so many times that people forget the original truth.
2012-06-27 01:53:46 PM
1 votes:
This is Obama's Drop Site Massacre on Isstvan V
2012-06-27 01:52:10 PM
1 votes:
So what happens when they say "Watergate" 3 times? Does Betelgeuse, Bloody Mary, Biggie Smalls or Zombie Nixion show up?
2012-06-27 01:51:51 PM
1 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


Correct. the only Republican before Reagan was Lincoln, and that's only when the GOP is patronizing the black demographic.

/Remember, he freed the slaves, but he did NOT kick the South's ass.
2012-06-27 01:45:02 PM
1 votes:

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.


Most of those alts are still around, the mods tolerate 'em. It's why I've not renewed my TF in years. We tracked 'em. Alts are dumb and always screw up, leave hints, etc. A bunch of us knew who they were. Alas. They drive pagehits.

I chatted with Drew about it once, too. He said in 2008, there was a concerted effort multiple times to troll through, spam the link queue, etc, with politically-leaning or such stories, with misleading headlines, hit the thread, etc. Wonder what'll be like this year.
2012-06-27 01:44:29 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.


The Republicans just lend themselves to being mocked easier.
2012-06-27 01:44:08 PM
1 votes:
Watergate broke Nixon like Vietnam broke Johnson. Then that asshole Ford pardoned Tricky Dick.
2012-06-27 01:31:02 PM
1 votes:
Remember, though, even they're on Fox News, they ARE television people, which makes them much smarter than their viewers; the rest of us know that they don't REALLY believe it when they say "F&F" is the president's "Watergate."

They're saying it only cuz they know their audience is stupid enough to believe it.
2012-06-27 01:25:13 PM
1 votes:
Ahh yes, a failed program with good intentions is certainly the equivalent of an intentional effort to cheat in a Presidential election.
 
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