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2012-06-27 12:52:01 PM  
No, they won't.
 
2012-06-27 12:59:24 PM  
The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us."
 
2012-06-27 01:20:59 PM  
Republicans will learn

Of this I'm skeptical.
 
2012-06-27 01:21:45 PM  
i.ytimg.com
 
2012-06-27 01:21:54 PM  
Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.
 
2012-06-27 01:22:34 PM  
This is Jon Stewart's Watergate.
 
2012-06-27 01:23:07 PM  

CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."


FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.
 
2012-06-27 01:23:56 PM  

liam76: Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.


It was more or less making fun of the fact that the GOP tries to make everything Obama or his administration does wrong, sound like its worse than Watergate.

Its pretty much the Fox who cried Watergate.
 
2012-06-27 01:24:27 PM  

liam76: Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.


Both.

And pretty much every thing else during this administration that republicans tried to make a big deal about
 
2012-06-27 01:24:57 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.
 
2012-06-27 01:25:13 PM  
Ahh yes, a failed program with good intentions is certainly the equivalent of an intentional effort to cheat in a Presidential election.
 
2012-06-27 01:25:15 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


To be fair, if it wasnt for Nixon and his crew, the South wouldnt be so Republican.
 
2012-06-27 01:25:30 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


That's correct; Nixon had significantly more class and a higher order of ethics compared to today's Republicans.
 
2012-06-27 01:26:47 PM  

CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us."


Well, they can't very well call it "Obama's Lewinski".

OTOH, she was kind of fast, if you know what I mean, and I bet she was furious about the stained dress, so maybe it does fit.
 
2012-06-27 01:31:02 PM  
Remember, though, even they're on Fox News, they ARE television people, which makes them much smarter than their viewers; the rest of us know that they don't REALLY believe it when they say "F&F" is the president's "Watergate."

They're saying it only cuz they know their audience is stupid enough to believe it.
 
2012-06-27 01:31:19 PM  
It's more like Obama's Teapot Dome.
 
2012-06-27 01:31:45 PM  
Waterloo was Napoleon's Watergate.
 
2012-06-27 01:33:58 PM  
Nixon resigned on national television.

/you dolt
 
2012-06-27 01:35:27 PM  
Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?
 
2012-06-27 01:38:25 PM  
Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.
 
2012-06-27 01:38:35 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


You're telling me they don't

Meant to be a question but my question mark button isn't working.
 
2012-06-27 01:39:19 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?
 
2012-06-27 01:39:54 PM  
THIS IS OBAMA'S WAR OF JENKIN'S EAR!
 
2012-06-27 01:40:19 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.


He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.
 
2012-06-27 01:40:57 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.
 
2012-06-27 01:42:31 PM  

Summoner101: Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.

True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.


He would be to liberal for Democrats these days.
 
2012-06-27 01:43:57 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


No. It'd be nice if the news media would do that, but the Daily Show is trying to be funny, and one side is producing a hell of a lot more laugh-worthy material than the other.

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.
 
2012-06-27 01:44:00 PM  

valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?


Maybe he missed that week of ripping on Bloomberg (D) for his soda ban?
 
2012-06-27 01:44:08 PM  
Watergate broke Nixon like Vietnam broke Johnson. Then that asshole Ford pardoned Tricky Dick.
 
2012-06-27 01:44:29 PM  

qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.


The Republicans just lend themselves to being mocked easier.
 
2012-06-27 01:45:02 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.


Most of those alts are still around, the mods tolerate 'em. It's why I've not renewed my TF in years. We tracked 'em. Alts are dumb and always screw up, leave hints, etc. A bunch of us knew who they were. Alas. They drive pagehits.

I chatted with Drew about it once, too. He said in 2008, there was a concerted effort multiple times to troll through, spam the link queue, etc, with politically-leaning or such stories, with misleading headlines, hit the thread, etc. Wonder what'll be like this year.
 
2012-06-27 01:45:07 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Wouldn't it be great if you weren't so victimized and didn't have your own Mama's-nipple news network to reassure you of how evil the rest of the world can be?
 
2012-06-27 01:46:04 PM  

incendi: No. It'd be nice if the news media would do that


They do, If you like false equivalency in the name of balance just check out politifact.
 
2012-06-27 01:47:10 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Yeah, like the part where for two years they refused to make jokes about the possibility of the President being from Kenya, despite it being an objectively false conspiracy theory asserted solely by white supremacists.....
 
2012-06-27 01:48:04 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.

No Of course Nixon doesn't equal Republicans he proposed the EPA, recoginized China etc, so Nixon would be a Democrat today, so I guess that proves some how that Democrats are the real party of corruption.
 
2012-06-27 01:50:22 PM  
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!
 
2012-06-27 01:50:53 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Wouldn't it be great if you shut the fark up?
 
2012-06-27 01:51:46 PM  

Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.


I must have missed that. What happened?
 
2012-06-27 01:51:51 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


Correct. the only Republican before Reagan was Lincoln, and that's only when the GOP is patronizing the black demographic.

/Remember, he freed the slaves, but he did NOT kick the South's ass.
 
2012-06-27 01:52:10 PM  
So what happens when they say "Watergate" 3 times? Does Betelgeuse, Bloody Mary, Biggie Smalls or Zombie Nixion show up?
 
2012-06-27 01:53:46 PM  
This is Obama's Drop Site Massacre on Isstvan V
 
2012-06-27 01:55:04 PM  
Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link
 
2012-06-27 01:55:42 PM  
Republicans have been doing a hell of a job at redefining history. Repeating lies so many times that people forget the original truth.
 
2012-06-27 01:57:44 PM  

NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link


That should be part of this DS clip
 
2012-06-27 02:00:26 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Correct. the only Republican before Reagan was Lincoln, and that's only when the GOP is patronizing the black demographic.

/Remember, he freed the slaves, but he did NOT kick the South's ass.


True, that would be Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Logan, Thomas, Ord, Scofield, McPherson, Foote, Dahlgren, Meade, etc., and a host of thousands.

/With a nice assist from John Bell Hood during the Atlanta campaign. And Pillow. And Bragg (occasionally), etc.
 
2012-06-27 02:02:09 PM  
PLAMEGATE PLAMEGATE PLAMEGATE!
 
2012-06-27 02:02:51 PM  

anfrind: Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.

I must have missed that. What happened?


Link
 
2012-06-27 02:08:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: liam76: Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.

It was more or less making fun of the fact that the GOP tries to make everything Obama or his administration does wrong, sound like its worse than Watergate.

Its pretty much the Fox who cried Watergate.


Codenamechaz: Both.

And pretty much every thing else during this administration that republicans tried to make a big deal about


I agree with liam76! C'mon, media! It's been four decades! Can't you come up with a new suffix for scandals!? Must the name of a fine luxury hotel be forever linked with the very concept of scandals? And not even limited to political scandals! "Climategate" (okay, there are politcal ramifications to that one)? Apple's iPhone 4 "antennagate"? I mean, come on!

Okay, "Whitewatergate" was kinda clever. But none of the others have been!
Especially not "Contragate," since liam's own, er, spellinggate showed a much better name for that: "Iran-Contraversy"!



anfrind: Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.

I must have missed that. What happened?


Seconded? Linkie would be nice.
 
2012-06-27 02:08:29 PM  

Jake Havechek: Watergate broke Nixon like Vietnam broke Johnson. Then that asshole Ford pardoned Tricky Dick.


Much like the current administration Ford understood that going after previous presidents for crimes real or imagined would amount to nothing more than political theater that would do more harm than good to the country.
 
2012-06-27 02:11:37 PM  

I alone am best: PLAMEGATE PLAMEGATE PLAMEGATE!


What about it?
 
2012-06-27 02:13:01 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-27 02:14:20 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Remember, though, even they're on Fox News, they ARE television people, which makes them much smarter than their viewers; the rest of us know that they don't REALLY believe it when they say "F&F" is the president's "Watergate."

They're saying it only cuz they know their audience is stupid enough to believe it.


yep

/I could not find a fark smart button jpg
 
2012-06-27 02:15:31 PM  

NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link


Wow. I thought you were at least paraphrasing.
 
2012-06-27 02:18:40 PM  
The Daily Show definitely leans left, but if you think they never criticize liberals, you are flat out wrong, and their recent coverage of the Fast and Furious debacle is clear evidence of that.
 
2012-06-27 02:22:17 PM  

monoski: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Maybe he missed that week of ripping on Bloomberg (D) for his soda ban?


Wait Bloomberg is a democrat now? When did that happen.
 
2012-06-27 02:25:28 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The Daily Show definitely leans left, but if you think they never criticize liberals, you are flat out wrong, and their recent coverage of the Fast and Furious debacle is clear evidence of that.


As was their coverage of Weinner-gate, and just about every legitimate* Democratic scandal.

* Legitimate being the key word, not your run of the mill manufactured Republican butthurt of the day.
 
2012-06-27 02:26:37 PM  

I alone am best: monoski: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Maybe he missed that week of ripping on Bloomberg (D) for his soda ban?

Wait Bloomberg is a democrat now? When did that happen.


Wow, I missed his conversion. from Wiki - A Democrat before seeking elective office, Bloomberg switched his registration in 2001 and ran for mayor as a Republican, winning the election that year and a second term in 2005.
 
2012-06-27 02:26:39 PM  
When children sing a song about you, it's the same as murdering all the Cambodians. All of them.
 
2012-06-27 02:26:54 PM  
This is Obama's Godfather 3.
 
2012-06-27 02:27:40 PM  
They should just throw Nixon under the bus and call him a RHINO, blame him for Watergate with relish and go on to point out that he signed the Clean Air Act that started all the evil regulations of the EPA....
////Nixon-secret socialist
 
2012-06-27 02:31:34 PM  

liam76: Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.


FTV:

Rick Perry: 'It's absolutely Nixonian in this coverup that's going on with the Fast and Furious"

Host: What exactly are you accusing the President of?

Rick Perry; "I don't know"


THAT is really what it is all about...
 
2012-06-27 02:31:48 PM  

valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?


Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.
 
2012-06-27 02:32:45 PM  

heinrich66: And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.


You seem to really want TDS to conform to your preconceived notions. Sorry it doesn't work like that.
 
2012-06-27 02:33:01 PM  

qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.


This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.
 
2012-06-27 02:35:19 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally equivalently, you know, like comedy used to do?


Both sides are not equally stupid. Relative to the amount of derp on each side, he tears into them equivalently.

Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do. So the Daily show runs 10 bits on the GOP for every 1 on the Democrats. You're sitting here crying why it's not 10 for each. That makes you stupid.

This may shock you - both sides are not equal. You can continue to vote Republican though.
 
2012-06-27 02:35:20 PM  

heinrich66: This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


Your propaganda is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-06-27 02:35:36 PM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?
 
2012-06-27 02:36:56 PM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


Whatever helps you sleep at night, fella.
 
2012-06-27 02:37:10 PM  

incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.


Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.
 
2012-06-27 02:37:17 PM  

heinrich66: They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups.


I picture emo kids having this political view, typing out both sides are bad between slicing themselves with safety scissors.
 
2012-06-27 02:37:29 PM  

sammyk: Jake Havechek: Watergate broke Nixon like Vietnam broke Johnson. Then that asshole Ford pardoned Tricky Dick.

Much like the current administration Ford understood that going after previous presidents for crimes real or imagined would amount to nothing more than political theater that would do more harm than good to the country.


And both were wrong. The lack of accountability for criminal acts, just because the president did them, is a very big problem for our nation.
 
2012-06-27 02:38:32 PM  
This is Obama's Caddyshack 2.
 
2012-06-27 02:39:36 PM  

heinrich66: If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are.


Yeah, real comedy forces jokes to fit a narrative. If you don't force jokes to fit a narrative, you're neither a comedian.
 
2012-06-27 02:40:08 PM  

heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years

...

heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


So why do keep watching it?
 
2012-06-27 02:40:11 PM  

thurstonxhowell: neither


not
 
2012-06-27 02:40:22 PM  

thurstonxhowell: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Wouldn't it be great if you shut the fark up?


Good one. Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices. TDS is an exercise in affirming the prejudices of a left-leaning hipster-type crowd.

I SUPPOSE THAT MEANS I AM A REPUBLICAN

/waiting for you to lather yourself in partisan rage
 
2012-06-27 02:40:28 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.

You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?


Start thinking like a controlling rich white male who wants to impose his beliefs upon the rest of the country. Then you'll realize.
 
2012-06-27 02:40:54 PM  

incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?


He doesn't use remote controls, they're sophomoric.
 
2012-06-27 02:41:18 PM  

heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


That's some long winded "BSABSVR" right there.
 
2012-06-27 02:41:41 PM  

heinrich66: /waiting for you to lather yourself in partisan rage


You're the one who's getting all frothed up, chief.
 
2012-06-27 02:42:53 PM  

incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?


It's better than anything else on TV. That doesn't mean it's not shiat.
 
2012-06-27 02:43:27 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Yeah, continually labeling Fast and Furious as "stupid" and "irresponsible"(Just to use 1 example) isn't tearing into the Obama Administration at all, is it?

This is how I know that not only do you not watch The Daily Show, you didn't even watch this video.

See, it's not that TDS is slanted, it's that the Right feeds them with material at such an alarming rate, they miss 90% of what's available, and still don't have room for anything else.
 
2012-06-27 02:44:23 PM  

incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?


He doesn't. He's just pretending he does. That's how this stuff works. It's like being a Fark Independent™.
 
2012-06-27 02:44:33 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.

You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?


YES. Because it takes a revolutionary prophet to say that a shiatty cable show like The Daily Show is actually overrated garbage. Your irony proves the point.
 
2012-06-27 02:45:46 PM  

lennavan: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally equivalently, you know, like comedy used to do?

Both sides are not equally stupid. Relative to the amount of derp on each side, he tears into them equivalently.

Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do. So the Daily show runs 10 bits on the GOP for every 1 on the Democrats. You're sitting here crying why it's not 10 for each. That makes you stupid.

This may shock you - both sides are not equal. You can continue to vote Republican though.


Keep spinning for yourself this comforting fantasy. And not, say, that both are just two sides of American corporatist imperialism. Oooh! Let's see The Daily Show touch that!
 
2012-06-27 02:47:08 PM  

Mikey1969: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Yeah, continually labeling Fast and Furious as "stupid" and "irresponsible"(Just to use 1 example) isn't tearing into the Obama Administration at all, is it?

This is how I know that not only do you not watch The Daily Show, you didn't even watch this video.

See, it's not that TDS is slanted, it's that the Right feeds them with material at such an alarming rate, they miss 90% of what's available, and still don't have room for anything else.


So many layers to this delusion. Even your emphasis on the "Right" shows that the bullshiat left/right paradigm is in play -- and that you think TDS is on the left.
 
2012-06-27 02:47:12 PM  

heinrich66: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.

You're clearly above all that sh*t. You should write a book or start a religion or something. We'll all bow down to you. I'll start. What shall I do to become wise, oh great teacher?

YES. Because it takes a revolutionary prophet to say that a shiatty cable show like The Daily Show is actually overrated garbage. Your irony proves the point.


What happened to your larger argument that both of our political parties had bankrupt ideologies, and if only we had clearer minds and saw the world as you did then we would be free of our delusions? Don't abandon me here in the intellectual wilderness with only "the daily show is sh*t" for succor! I need more, oh wise one! Show me the path to enlightenment!
 
2012-06-27 02:47:30 PM  

heinrich66: It's better than anything else on TV. That doesn't mean it's not shiat.


You could, you know... go to bed?

heinrich66: Good one. Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices.


You've got a strange and narrow definition of comedy.
 
2012-06-27 02:48:16 PM  

max_pooper: heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

That's some long winded "BSABSVR" right there.


Long-winded! A couple of paragraphs, yes! Now get off the internet. Go see how long-winded a book is.
 
2012-06-27 02:48:45 PM  

heinrich66: Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices.


I have never read a more wrong definition of comedy in my life.

Comedy, going all the way back to its Greek origins, is about skewering the status quo. Whether that norm is the constant conflict of youth vs. age, or the current conflicts of our society. Making yourself the status quo (which arguably the Republicans have been doing by insisting they capture as much of the public stage as possible) makes you the natural target of comedy.
 
2012-06-27 02:49:02 PM  

heinrich66: Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule.


"My intent was not to go after Rush - I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh. I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership."
 
2012-06-27 02:49:34 PM  

heinrich66: The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


NO, it's because the Republicans give free material to TDS every time any one of them opens their mouth.

---"They're slanted because they keep making fun of us because we say stupid shiat 24/7!!!---

(Cue the crying baby pic)
 
2012-06-27 02:49:41 PM  
Well, I see someone's determined to crap up this thread.
 
2012-06-27 02:49:56 PM  

heinrich66: YES. Because it takes a revolutionary prophet to say that a shiatty cable show like The Daily Show is actually overrated garbage. Your irony proves the point.


Did you read the stuff about "equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews" that you wrote? How about any of your attempts to define comedy?

That went a bit beyond just calling TDS shiatty.
 
2012-06-27 02:51:28 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: heinrich66: Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices.

I have never read a more wrong definition of comedy in my life.

Comedy, going all the way back to its Greek origins, is about skewering the status quo. Whether that norm is the constant conflict of youth vs. age, or the current conflicts of our society. Making yourself the status quo (which arguably the Republicans have been doing by insisting they capture as much of the public stage as possible) makes you the natural target of comedy.


What an utter, abject boatload of garbage.

So telling a lot of left-leaning people jokes based on a left-leaning perspective matches your point of view? Is taking risks? Challenges the status quo?

RECAP: I said comedy was about telling people what they didn't want to hear. You disagreed, saying comedy was about skewering the status quo. Then you used that amazingly to defend a show that feeds it audience (half the population) exactly what it wants to hear.
 
2012-06-27 02:51:36 PM  

heinrich66: max_pooper: heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

That's some long winded "BSABSVR" right there.

Long-winded! A couple of paragraphs, yes! Now get off the internet. Go see how long-winded a book is.


Your ignorance of comedy and satire is eclipsed only by your ignorance of politics.

Do yourself a favor and stop posting. It's much easier to hide your stupidity when you are quite.
 
2012-06-27 02:51:56 PM  

lennavan: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally equivalently, you know, like comedy used to do?

Both sides are not equally stupid. Relative to the amount of derp on each side, he tears into them equivalently.

Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do. So the Daily show runs 10 bits on the GOP for every 1 on the Democrats. You're sitting here crying why it's not 10 for each. That makes you stupid.

This may shock you - both sides are not equal. You can continue to vote Republican though.


And then there is the simple fact that "there are 57 states" just isn't funny.
 
2012-06-27 02:52:01 PM  

heinrich66: Long-winded! A couple of paragraphs, yes! Now get off the internet. Go see how long-winded a book is.


You're too lazy/stupid to stop watching a TV show you hate, but you're telling other people to read books?

/ I should probably stop this, but it's so hard to turn away when a stupid, angry person gets mad at the world for noticing he is stupid and angry.
 
2012-06-27 02:53:10 PM  

heinrich66: So many layers to this delusion. Even your emphasis on the "Right" shows that the bullshiat left/right paradigm is in play -- and that you think TDS is on the left.


My "emphasis" on the "Right" is because YOU leveled the charge of bias. You mentioned "both sides", and only Tom Cullen would be confused as to what the implication meant.

I didn't say anything about TDS being on the left. What I SAID was that the Right gives them free material every chance they get, it's not like they go out of their way to find it. Hell, they probably miss the days when they actually had to WORK to expose political morons, now their Inbox is full of this shiat. From BOTH sides.
 
2012-06-27 02:53:11 PM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66:
This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


*Sigh*
Let's review:
Someone says something retarded, we make fun of it.
Someone says something that is NOT retarded, we DON'T make fun of it.

That's why TDS makes fun of Republican statements so much more often than other people's statements.
 
2012-06-27 02:53:29 PM  
See: An American Carol or The 1/2 Hour News Hour.
 
2012-06-27 02:53:40 PM  

thurstonxhowell: incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?

He doesn't use remote controls, they're sophomoric.


Not to mention shallow and pedantic
 
2012-06-27 02:54:42 PM  

Headso: heinrich66: They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups.

I picture emo kids having this political view, typing out both sides are bad between slicing themselves with safety scissors.


Hey, at least his lawn cuts itself.
 
2012-06-27 02:55:05 PM  

heinrich66: Even your emphasis on the "Right" shows that the bullshiat left/right paradigm is in play


heinrich66: But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view


whatisthepyramid.com
 
2012-06-27 02:55:42 PM  

Lunchlady: thurstonxhowell: incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?

He doesn't use remote controls, they're sophomoric.

Not to mention shallow and pedantic


"Lois, this casserole is shallow and pedantic"
 
2012-06-27 02:55:46 PM  
"So what are you accusing the president of?"
..."I don't know."

That is why Republicans are targeted more than Democrats.
 
2012-06-27 02:55:59 PM  

heinrich66: What an utter, abject boatload of garbage.

So telling a lot of left-leaning people jokes based on a left-leaning perspective matches your point of view? Is taking risks? Challenges the status quo?

RECAP: I said comedy was about telling people what they didn't want to hear. You disagreed, saying comedy was about skewering the status quo. Then you used that amazingly to defend a show that feeds it audience (half the population) exactly what it wants to hear.


WRONG! Who are the ones currently pushing power around in a public display? What happens when that power is projected? Comedians latch onto it and skewer it (Boener's crap, F&F stonewalling, etc.). Naturally, this means that there will be one side that will be offended, and one side that will be catered to. THAT IS THE CRUX OF COMEDY. You play to the audience, you don't continually try to insult them. Saying that comedy should skewer both sides equally is the height of ignorance and naivete. Go educate yourself some more on the subject, then realize that comedy derives its value from dichotomy of ideas and playing one side against the other, not the destruction of all sides.
 
2012-06-27 02:57:04 PM  

Lunchlady: thurstonxhowell: incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?

He doesn't use remote controls, they're sophomoric.

Not to mention shallow and pedantic


Like my breakfast!
 
2012-06-27 02:57:09 PM  

lennavan: Think of it this way - the GOP does 100 stupid things for every 10 stupid things Democrats do.


10:1 ratios are unacceptable to republicans, remember?
 
2012-06-27 02:59:20 PM  
some of you might want to read this Fortune article about fast and furious.
 
2012-06-27 03:01:14 PM  

heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.


Go cry somewhere else. Do you want some sort of affirmative action program to compensate for the fact that conservatives tend to be humorless drones? You don't like TDS because it efficiently and hilariously showcases political BS and most of that BS is stinking up your side of the ideological aisle. If the Left is so chock-full of its own bull flavored shiat it should be easy to mock, so get your own shows and stop biatching.
 
2012-06-27 03:01:32 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


img32.imageshack.us
Back to remedial History 101 for you, bucko.
 
2012-06-27 03:01:51 PM  
If you feed "Nixon You Dolt" into Google, that thread pops up. I once did that to find the source of the meme. Haven't read the whole thread, but it does kind of speak truth to the Palin-Republican mentality.

It's an interesting thing to look at, because there are two possibilities behind it. One is that the poster is full of lard. The other is that the poster listened to the words of the Authority he admired, and those words actually temporarily erased the memory of Nixon's resignation from his mind.

I read that "You are not so smart" book about how memories are formed and recalled, This is an "authority" thing. The poster obviously admires Michael Savage, or at least the side that he purports to be on, enough so that when Savage, as an authority, makes a statement like that, the poster's mind stifles the recall of the fact that the statement was false. Combine that with tribalism - "my side is never wrong ever" - and there's his insane attempt to walk it back. "Well, he didn't really resign, he was hounded out of office."

GaryPDX wasn't stupid, but what he did in that thread was prove that he had, essentially, reached a point where he was letting other people do all his thinking for him. He was no longer processing simple information on his own. Don't you kind of wish you had that power over someone? That you could just say any stupid thing and have it be believed? The Republican have that power over a wide swath of the country, and they will exercise it.

"Yes, master...no President ever resigned...Obama is a socialist foreign invader...Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British...Michelle Obama said 'All this for a damn flag...' the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the government...vote Republican...I obey..."

For relevance's sake, you also have Rick Perry above, stating one of the golden truths of modern conservatism: "I don't know why I'm mad, but boy am I mad. This is an outrage, for some reason I haven't adequately figured out yet."

In the movie version of "Game Change," Rick Davis pointed out that they couldn't even mention Obama's name without the crowd getting all whipped up. Conservatives learned a long time ago that people surrender their critical thinking when they're riled up - we all give in to emotion first, before the intellect kicks in and brings us back to Earth, so conservatives have decided that the way to keep and maintain power was to get people angry and keep them angry, for as long as possible, for as many different reasons as possible, and against the wrong people.
 
2012-06-27 03:03:14 PM  

Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.


there were worse examples, just not as funny. he's the same guy who had to ask 'if there is a prominent 3rd party, would that mean states need to send 3 senators to washington?'

brain. damaged.
 
2012-06-27 03:03:15 PM  

heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66:
Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.


PBS and NPR skew liberal to the extent that you believe it is the role of the media to reinforce your beliefs, rather than presenting objective reality.
 
2012-06-27 03:03:53 PM  
H2 channel has been running a really good 2 hour documentary on Nixon, lately.
 
2012-06-27 03:05:15 PM  

peasandcarrots: wasn't stupid


no, really. he is stupid. unless he's stumbled into a woodchipper, he's still being stupid today.
 
2012-06-27 03:06:21 PM  

heinrich66: What an utter, abject boatload of garbage.

So telling a lot of left-leaning people jokes based on a left-leaning perspective matches your point of view? Is taking risks? Challenges the status quo?

RECAP: I said comedy was about telling people what they didn't want to hear. You disagreed, saying comedy was about skewering the status quo. Then you used that amazingly to defend a show that feeds it audience (half the population) exactly what it wants to hear.


There needs to be some kind of international trolling championship so you can really take this to the next level. I think you've got potential
 
2012-06-27 03:06:30 PM  

udhq: heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66:
Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

PBS and NPR skew liberal to the extent that you believe it is the role of the media to reinforce your beliefs, rather than presenting objective reality.


Foxnews laughs, continues making shiat up.
 
2012-06-27 03:06:30 PM  

heap: heinrich66: Even your emphasis on the "Right" shows that the bullshiat left/right paradigm is in play

heinrich66: But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view

heinrich66
So many layers to this delusion. Even your emphasis on the "Right" shows that the bullshiat left/right paradigm is in play -- and that you think TDS is on the left.


This farkin guy is great!
 
2012-06-27 03:07:38 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.

Go cry somewhere else. Do you want some sort of affirmative action program to compensate for the fact that conservatives tend to be humorless drones? You don't like TDS because it efficiently and hilariously showcases political BS and most of that BS is stinking up your side of the ideological aisle. If the Left is so chock-full of its own bull flavored shiat it should be easy to mock, so get your own shows and stop biatching.


Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews. I don't believe that as an individual I am entitled to rape and pillage and screw everybody else (Republican). I also don't believe that I have an identity only insofar as I belong to a some category within identity politics (African American, LGBT, Inuit) and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.

If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale -- and is far worse than some "Republican" hypocrisy when it comes to INSERT SOCIAL ISSUE HERE.

The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes no real risks, and just tells its audience what it wants to hear. This is not the approach of a George Carlin or a Bill Hicks who said whatever the fark they thought was the truth, fark the audience.
 
2012-06-27 03:08:33 PM  

thurstonxhowell: anfrind: Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.

I must have missed that. What happened?

Link


You know, I somehow missed that thread. So, I started reading and couldn't help but thinking that it couldn't be real because nobody could possibly be that completely stupid. But then someone in that thread put up a screenshot of Gary suggesting that if we had 3 political parties that each state would get 3 senators...and I just lost it. BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Thank you for posting this. It truly brightened my day.
 
2012-06-27 03:09:49 PM  

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Don't forget the rest of his greatest hits:

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2012-06-27 03:13:13 PM  

heinrich66: brainiac-dumdum: heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.

Go cry somewhere else. Do you want some sort of affirmative action program to compensate for the fact that conservatives tend to be humorless drones? You don't like TDS because it efficiently and hilariously showcases political BS and most of that BS is stinking up your side of the ideological aisle. If the Left is so chock-full of its own bull flavored shiat it should be easy to mock, so get your own shows and stop biatching.

Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews. I don't believe that as an individual I am entitled to rape and pillage and screw everybody else (Republican). I also don't believe that I have an identity only insofar as I belong to a some category within identity politics (African American, LGBT, Inuit) and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.

If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale -- and is far worse than some "Republican" hypocrisy when it comes to INSERT SOCIAL ISSUE HERE.

The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes ...


You sure like complaining. It's a basic cable television show, you really shouldn't get all pissy about.
 
2012-06-27 03:16:19 PM  
kvetching about a comedy show being liberal makes as much sense as kvetching that AM talk radio is all right wing.

right wing comedy has been tried. it sucked.
left wing angry radio has been tried. it sucked.

that isn't to say that there are no angry lefties. or that there are no funny righties. just that there isn't enough of an audience in either segment that suits the mold to justify giving a shiat, or to further producing it.
 
2012-06-27 03:16:44 PM  
I recently stayed at a Marriott and it was WAY WORSE THAN WATERGATE! The Watergate had much nicer rooms.
 
2012-06-27 03:17:04 PM  

heinrich66: Listen up, slave.


I have no respect for anyone who kept reading after this.
 
2012-06-27 03:18:11 PM  

heinrich66: Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews.


A Fark Independent. Adorable! * tussles hair* You little scamp! Go run along now.

heinrich66: If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale


You need to run that through the sense filter and take out the Alex Jones tinge. It's not a secret imperialism - Americans know about it just fine - some applaud it. It's just we're too mired in our own selves to do anything about it because the idol is on. Swamp People, et al.

heinrich66: and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.


Groups are made up of individuals. If you have enough individuals doing one thing, it becomes a group doing one thing. Therefore, incorrect.

An individual doing something progressive is nice - but it does nothing on the whole. You become "that one guy". A group of people doing something progressive gets noticed.

So. We've learned that A) "The Man" is to blame and you are totally against him, B) You have no real convictions other than those that allow you to stay "totally on the edge, not weighed down by the things that control the others, man", and C) you think we're inferior to you for having views different from those of a fourteen-year-old latchkey kid.

Time to grow up, Francis.

/bets you own and wear both a vest and fedora
 
2012-06-27 03:19:03 PM  
The NRA sockpuppets are certainly doing their job deflecting attention away from their lobbying to keep gun control laws relaxed. I mean we wouldn't want the public or press asking "just how many guns pass over the border and what can we do to stop it?" now would we?

deflectors on full Mr Sulu!
 
2012-06-27 03:20:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: H2 channel has been running a really good 2 hour documentary on Nixon, lately.


Is it about his expansion of the alien research lab in Area 51? Because I find it hard to believe you saw anything historical on H or H2.
 
2012-06-27 03:22:04 PM  

doyner: Jake Havechek: H2 channel has been running a really good 2 hour documentary on Nixon, lately.

Is it about his expansion of the alien research lab in Area 51? Because I find it hard to believe you saw anything historical on H or H2.


Well you see, I check the listings.
 
2012-06-27 03:22:07 PM  

Thrag: I recently stayed at a Marriott and it was WAY WORSE THAN WATERGATE! The Watergate had much nicer rooms.


landofcuddles.tripod.com

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www.simplyrecipes.com
 
2012-06-27 03:23:24 PM  

heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.


True, but you have to give them credit for at least being WILLING to go after both sides' unlike FOX.
 
2012-06-27 03:23:29 PM  

thurstonxhowell: heinrich66: Listen up, slave.

I have no respect for anyone who kept reading after this.


I stopped before that. Wow. Off to the killfile with Heinrich.
 
2012-06-27 03:28:45 PM  
I enjoy TDS when i watch it, which isn't frequently.

One thing that does upset me is that it makes light of serious business, I mean we should be clawing at the doors of the Capitol bldg. not laughing at the ridiculousness of our gov't.
maybe that's the purpose of TDS, to keep us laughing and prevent us form ... snapping.

most people say Republicans are obstructionists, scoundrels, corporatist whores and an easy target for comedic ridicule and it's true.
 
2012-06-27 03:31:11 PM  

CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us."


That would explain why they're always complaining about how Obama is continuing Bush's policies.
 
2012-06-27 03:33:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: liam76: Can't watch video here, and didn't watch daily last night.

Is this about F&F, or the "leaked" info?

Either way the next person who adds a -gate to a contraversy needs a kick in the nuts.

It was more or less making fun of the fact that the GOP tries to make everything Obama or his administration does wrong, sound like its worse than Watergate any controversy involving a Republican.


FTFY
 
2012-06-27 03:34:07 PM  

heinrich66: The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes no real risks, and just tells its audience what it wants to hear. This is not the approach of a George Carlin or a Bill Hicks who said whatever the fark they thought was the truth, fark the audience.


TDS serves a valid purpose by inculcating a young demographic with cynicism and informing them of hypocrisies in the media and politics through satire. Jon Stewart is no Lenny Bruce, but he is highly effective and, for many, educational. If you doubt Stewart's importance as a comedian or as a commentator you should glance over this list[link] of guests that he has had on his show, which includes many heads of state, high ranking government officials, etc. His guests recognize the importance of Stewart's show or they wouldn't take the time to make an appearance.
 
2012-06-27 03:37:59 PM  

heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?


Political comedy never used to tear into both sides equally.

Comics tear into the side that gives them the most material.

I've written jokes about Obama's '57 states' gaffe and a sketch about his fundraisers with celebrities, but the GOP gives me the most material. Their perpetual victimhood makes it especially easy.
 
2012-06-27 03:39:04 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


Kinda like how Republicans suddenly thought Bush wasn't really a conservative in 2008?
 
2012-06-27 03:40:35 PM  

Isitoveryet: I enjoy TDS when i watch it, which isn't frequently.

One thing that does upset me is that it makes light of serious business, I mean we should be clawing at the doors of the Capitol bldg. not laughing at the ridiculousness of our gov't.
maybe that's the purpose of TDS, to keep us laughing and prevent us form ... snapping.



Sadly, most "real" news programs play a sound byte from a politician and take it at face value.

The Daily Show seems to be the only "news" program that actually will go back and check old tapes and come up with clips of a that same candidate contradicting themselves, and then calling them out on their bullshiat. They've done it routinely for Obama and Romney (and many others) just in the past few weeks.

It's a sad state of affairs when the best investigative journalists seem to be employed by a show that once had lead ins of robots fighting and puppets making crank phone calls.
 
2012-06-27 03:41:26 PM  

heinrich66: Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices. TDS is an exercise in affirming the prejudices of a left-leaning hipster-type crowd.


So why do you continue to watch such an unfunny, terrible show?
 
2012-06-27 03:44:15 PM  

Dog Welder: It's a sad state of affairs when the best investigative journalists seem to be employed by a show that once had lead ins of robots fighting and puppets making crank phone calls.


is that it, or is it that TDS is the only place we expect investigation of that sort?

sorta chicken or the egg, but i can't really ignore that people tune into news provided by transcriptionists instead of reporters....and go back for more.
 
2012-06-27 03:49:52 PM  

heap: Dog Welder: It's a sad state of affairs when the best investigative journalists seem to be employed by a show that once had lead ins of robots fighting and puppets making crank phone calls.

is that it, or is it that TDS is the only place we expect investigation of that sort?

sorta chicken or the egg, but i can't really ignore that people tune into news provided by transcriptionists instead of reporters....and go back for more.


In terms of cable news, The Daily Show has been the most reliable source. In regular news, most of the newspapers, local and national, are up on their game, and only the bigger, "Gate"-worthy stuff of those investigative pieces get grabbed by the news networks.
 
2012-06-27 03:50:41 PM  
Don't you have to have their true name to have a power over someone

can we get a practitioner of magic type stuff to comment, is there a pagan in the house?
 
2012-06-27 03:54:19 PM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


Then why did 'The Half Hour News Hour' fail so badly? It was on Fox News and had a core audience, but no one watched it.

I get that both sides deserve ridicule, but equal?

Seriously, you need to stop this.
 
2012-06-27 03:56:39 PM  

thurstonxhowell: anfrind: Jake Havechek: Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Speaking of Nixon, whatever happened to Gary? Was he parmabanned or just using a new alt that I have yet to pick up on.

He's never going to live that down. The backpedaling he did was even funnier.

I must have missed that. What happened?

Link


thank you for that. i had missed it too.
 
2012-06-27 03:58:36 PM  

peasandcarrots: G_____X wasn't stupid, but what he did in that thread was prove that he had, essentially, reached a point where he was letting other people do all his thinking for him. He was no longer processing simple information on his own.


As opposed to a certain avid viewer of the Daily Show who does the opposite.

"I reject everyone's political views. That means I'm superior. I also care about things that most people don't know about - like my girlfriend in Canada (you wouldn't know her)."

He even used "slave" rather than "sheeple." THAT is how independent he truly is.
 
2012-06-27 03:58:45 PM  

Dog Welder: But then someone in that thread put up a screenshot of Gary suggesting that if we had 3 political parties that each state would get 3 senators...and I just lost it. BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


that did add to the enjoyment for sure.
 
2012-06-27 03:59:00 PM  

heinrich66: incendi: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Stewart's taken plenty of digs at the Democrats in the past few weeks though. Maybe you should actually watch it every now and then instead of just being mildly disgusted at what you think it is.

Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years. Anybody who thinks it's non-partisan is a moran, and is likely to think PBS and NPR are objective and non-partisan.

The political left and right are both bankrupt ideologies. TDS favors the left, skewers Republicans 75% of the time and Democrats 25% of the time. If it were real comedy, and truly subversive, it would make a real show of skewering both equally for the empty, worthless ideologies that they are. But it doesn't. That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


Yeah, it hard to believe that so many conservatives have so much respect for him that they go on his show to be interviewed by him.

BTW, 'partisan' implies that Jon Stewart is actively promoting the Democratic Party in the same way Tucker Carlson promotes the Republican Party (despite referring to himself as 'the least partisan person I know'). If Stewart were truly partisan, there's no way he could get the high-powered Republicans on his show that he does and SURE as hell would've have gotten major Bush administration players like Condoleeza Rice (twice), Donald Rumsfeld (who posted on Twitter that it was the best interview on his book tour), and John Yoo.
 
2012-06-27 04:01:03 PM  

NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link


I would typically accuse Conservative voters of being even dumber than Conservative politicians but I think Perry might be the exception.
 
2012-06-27 04:03:22 PM  

lennavan: incendi: heinrich66: Yeah, like I said: I've watched it for years
...
heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.

So why do keep watching it?

He doesn't. He's just pretending he does. That's how this stuff works. It's like being a Fark Independent™.


Ah yes, THAT old chestnut. This is why conservative comedy is so bad.

It's not that we make fun of what they think, it's that we make fun of what we THINK they think.
 
2012-06-27 04:05:28 PM  
Since when are comedians required to give equal time? Did I miss the memo?
 
2012-06-27 04:07:40 PM  

peasandcarrots: If you feed "Nixon You Dolt" into Google, that thread pops up. I once did that to find the source of the meme. Haven't read the whole thread, but it does kind of speak truth to the Palin-Republican mentality.

It's an interesting thing to look at, because there are two possibilities behind it. One is that the poster is full of lard. The other is that the poster listened to the words of the Authority he admired, and those words actually temporarily erased the memory of Nixon's resignation from his mind.

I read that "You are not so smart" book about how memories are formed and recalled, This is an "authority" thing. The poster obviously admires Michael Savage, or at least the side that he purports to be on, enough so that when Savage, as an authority, makes a statement like that, the poster's mind stifles the recall of the fact that the statement was false. Combine that with tribalism - "my side is never wrong ever" - and there's his insane attempt to walk it back. "Well, he didn't really resign, he was hounded out of office."

GaryPDX wasn't stupid, but what he did in that thread was prove that he had, essentially, reached a point where he was letting other people do all his thinking for him. He was no longer processing simple information on his own. Don't you kind of wish you had that power over someone? That you could just say any stupid thing and have it be believed? The Republican have that power over a wide swath of the country, and they will exercise it.

"Yes, master...no President ever resigned...Obama is a socialist foreign invader...Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British...Michelle Obama said 'All this for a damn flag...' the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the government...vote Republican...I obey..."

For relevance's sake, you also have Rick Perry above, stating one of the golden truths of modern conservatism: "I don't know why I'm mad, but boy am I mad. This is an outrage, for some reason I haven't adequately figured out yet."

In the movie version of "Game Change," Rick Davis pointed out that they couldn't even mention Obama's name without the crowd getting all whipped up. Conservatives learned a long time ago that people surrender their critical thinking when they're riled up - we all give in to emotion first, before the intellect kicks in and brings us back to Earth, so conservatives have decided that the way to keep and maintain power was to get people angry and keep them angry, for as long as possible, for as many different reasons as possible, and against the wrong people.


Gary was (is) a pathetic attention whore who intentionally says whatever stupid thing he can so people respond to him. He was a fake, an act, deliberately saying whatever dumb shiat, lies and misinformation to get everyone in the thread talking about him.

He wasn't stupid; he was pitiful.
 
2012-06-27 04:07:43 PM  

Summoner101: Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.

True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.


And has more integrity than the GOP crowd today.
 
2012-06-27 04:07:56 PM  

The Lone Gunman: This is why conservative comedy is so bad.


i've always kinda seen it as the difference between comedy about politics....and politics about comedy.

Codenamechaz: In terms of cable news, The Daily Show has been the most reliable source. In regular news, most of the newspapers, local and national, are up on their game, and only the bigger, "Gate"-worthy stuff of those investigative pieces get grabbed by the news networks.


yah, probably should have prefaced with 'on tv' - there is still some print journalism, but...even that, the number of desks/reporters dedicated to print journalism isn't what it once was, either.
 
2012-06-27 04:08:05 PM  

birchman: Since when are comedians required to give equal time? Did I miss the memo?


Yes, somewhere in this whole discussion, it's lost on Republicans that maybe the market should decide who the voices are. Or did I just imagine that as being their central tenet (for everything but religion, sexuality and media bias)?
 
2012-06-27 04:09:01 PM  

incendi: heinrich66: It's better than anything else on TV. That doesn't mean it's not shiat.

You could, you know... go to bed?

heinrich66: Good one. Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices.

You've got a strange and narrow definition of comedy.


No kidding. My favorite line is " It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear."

Next time you go to an open mic, let me know. I'd REALLY like to see how this philosophy works out.

Comedy is about taking the same world that everyone else is privy to, and looking at it from a different angle. It's about introducing a broader audience to your perceptions of the world around you.

I wrote a sketch called 'GOP Debate: The Musical'. Newt Gingrich sang 'Rock Me Amadeus' except with the words Ronald Reagan over and over. Santorum sang 'Maria' but it was about Googling his own name. Romney sang a parody of 'It Wasnt Me' about previous statements he'd made. And Ron Paul didn't sing anything because music isn't mentioned in the Constitution.

The idea that comedy is getting up there and saying things that people don't want to hear is ridiculous.
 
2012-06-27 04:10:58 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

FTFY.

Nixon ≠ Republicans.


No shiat, what with his universal healthcare ideas and creating the EPA and all that hippie, liberal, socialism nonsense.

If Nixon were around today, he'd be wondering who the hell let this black ultra-conservative president into the White House.
 
2012-06-27 04:20:27 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Then why did 'The Half Hour News Hour' fail so badly? It was on Fox News and had a core audience, but no one watched it.

I get that both sides deserve ridicule, but equal?

Seriously, you need to stop this.


"Red-Eye w/Greg Gutfeld" lasted a lot longer and was closer to being the conservative "answer" to the Daily Show. The problem is it just wasn't nearly as funny or clever.

I've found attempts at conservative political humor tend to be more along the lines of making fun of obvious misstatements and broadly mocking a person's personality tics. Which frankly holds very little lasting appeal.

The odd thing is, despite Daily Show's liberal slant, they actually pull off making fun of liberals much better than any conservative outlet does. Better writers I suppose...
 
2012-06-27 04:26:20 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: peasandcarrots: G_____X wasn't stupid, but what he did in that thread was prove that he had, essentially, reached a point where he was letting other people do all his thinking for him. He was no longer processing simple information on his own.

As opposed to a certain avid viewer of the Daily Show who does the opposite.

"I reject everyone's political views. That means I'm superior. I also care about things that most people don't know about - like my girlfriend in Canada (you wouldn't know her)."

He even used "slave" rather than "sheeple." THAT is how independent he truly is.


Maybe he's a Black Talon Knight?

Slave of goodness, your idiocy sickens me! Go back to your starving orphans!

 
Ehh
2012-06-27 04:27:12 PM  
JerkStore: If Nixon were around today, he'd be wondering who the hell let this black ultra-conservative president into the White House.

He might also point out that, just like the coyote who gets his ass handed to him again and again by that roadrunner, his lifetime enemies (the well-connected establishment types who were born on third base) handed his ass to him even when he was president. They had their friends Deep Throat and Woodward and Butterfield bring Nixon down, because, well, he wasn't one of them, and they never did like him, even though he worked his way into their clubhouse (and saved their WASP bacon with the Southern strategy).
 
2012-06-27 04:27:49 PM  

heinrich66: Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices.


Ok...maybe this is just MY definition, but I thought comedy is supposed to be about making people laugh.

Fart jokes, high-brow commentary, knock-knock. If people laugh at it, it's comedy.
 
2012-06-27 04:35:36 PM  

birchman: Since when are comedians required to give equal time? Did I miss the memo?


sounds like he would like the full reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.
 
2012-06-27 04:37:41 PM  

Ehh: He might also point out that, just like the coyote who gets his ass handed to him again and again by that roadrunner, his lifetime enemies (the well-connected establishment types who were born on third base) handed his ass to him even when he was president. They had their friends Deep Throat and Woodward and Butterfield bring Nixon down, because, well, he wasn't one of them, and they never did like him, even though he worked his way into their clubhouse (and saved their WASP bacon with the Southern strategy).


sounds madly paranoia laced, so that seems like nixon at least.
 
2012-06-27 04:42:29 PM  

Summoner101: True, Nixon would be seen as far too liberal for Republicans these days.


Not to mention he'd be a high outlier as far as basic competence in office is concerned.

//In all seriousness, Nixon was corrupt as hell but actually pretty good at the job. Which, lets be honest, is a combination a lot of us appreciate a lot more after how the much more morally upstanding and less corruptible administration from 2000-2008 worked out.
 
2012-06-27 04:49:05 PM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


so vote republican
/yawn
 
2012-06-27 04:51:42 PM  

The Lone Gunman: I wrote a sketch called 'GOP Debate: The Musical'. Newt Gingrich sang 'Rock Me Amadeus' except with the words Ronald Reagan over and over. Santorum sang 'Maria' but it was about Googling his own name. Romney sang a parody of 'It Wasnt Me' about previous statements he'd made. And Ron Paul didn't sing anything because music isn't mentioned in the Constitution.


I lol'd
 
2012-06-27 04:53:09 PM  

Hobodeluxe: birchman: Since when are comedians required to give equal time? Did I miss the memo?

sounds like he would like the full reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.


Fox News has spoiled conservatives. They now expect everything to be fair and balanced, which means Republicans are given a free pass for everything they do and liberals are to be demonized at every turn.

Now whenever they're insulted, they whine because that's not "balanced." Stewart mocking them isn't "balanced." Hell my right wing cousin got all butthurt when the Eye of the Tiger guy asked Gingrich to stop using his song.

"He's only doing this for political reasons!"

Yes of course it's political. This is entertainment. Outside of your little media bubble, nobody is required to take your derp seriously, and are free to mock your political ambitions.
 
2012-06-27 04:53:46 PM  

heinrich66: Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews.


You sound... neutral.
 
2012-06-27 05:14:43 PM  
I didn't know Tucker Carlson was a Farker.
 
2012-06-27 05:24:50 PM  
You go fishing where the fish are.
 
2012-06-27 05:32:43 PM  
A troll, heinrich66, changes the subject because they know talking about what's in TFA is heavily damaging to the Republicans. And you idiots all fall for it.
 
2012-06-27 05:52:29 PM  
this isn't Watergate because the President has said he knew nothing about it, and his executive privilege is to cover his involvement, which he had none, so this isn't Watergate.

If we can't trust the President when he says this isn't a coverup, who can we trust?
 
2012-06-27 05:53:16 PM  

intelligent comment below: A troll, heinrich66, changes the subject because they know talking about what's in TFA is heavily damaging to the Republicans. And you idiots all fall for it.


That. Fark's been around for a long time now but somehow we still haven't quite figured out how trolling and deflecting works...
 
2012-06-27 06:03:07 PM  

Descartes: this isn't Watergate because the President has said he knew nothing about it, and his executive privilege is to cover his involvement, which he had none, so this isn't Watergate.

If we can't trust the President when he says this isn't a coverup, who can we trust?


No man. Watergate was when Obama told kids to stay in school in 2009. Fox News told me, and they were just as/possibly more outraged then than they are now.
 
2012-06-27 06:08:09 PM  
Entire farking country is a joke.
 
2012-06-27 06:30:45 PM  

mrshowrules: NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link

I would typically accuse Conservative voters of being even dumber than Conservative politicians but I think Perry might be the exception.


That's funny coming from a Canadian who seems to spend so much time in threads about another countries politics.
 
2012-06-27 06:41:56 PM  
www.radioamerica.org

False. Liddy didn't start peddling weapons until AFTER Watergate
 
2012-06-27 07:05:56 PM  

heinrich66: The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues,


Such as?
 
2012-06-27 07:15:44 PM  

heinrich66: hipster


*ignore*
 
2012-06-27 07:32:28 PM  

Supes: The Lone Gunman: Then why did 'The Half Hour News Hour' fail so badly? It was on Fox News and had a core audience, but no one watched it.

I get that both sides deserve ridicule, but equal?

Seriously, you need to stop this.

"Red-Eye w/Greg Gutfeld" lasted a lot longer and was closer to being the conservative "answer" to the Daily Show. The problem is it just wasn't nearly as funny or clever.

I've found attempts at conservative political humor tend to be more along the lines of making fun of obvious misstatements and broadly mocking a person's personality tics. Which frankly holds very little lasting appeal.

The odd thing is, despite Daily Show's liberal slant, they actually pull off making fun of liberals much better than any conservative outlet does. Better writers I suppose...


Plus TDS doesn't a political agenda the way 'The 1/2 Hour News Hour' clearly did. As Stewart said when he was on Chris Wallace's show, "I never said I was 'only' a comedian, I said I was a comedian FIRST."
 
2012-06-27 07:38:48 PM  
So, it must be working if the fark libtards are submitting aricles about it not working.

/DNRTA
 
2012-06-27 07:44:59 PM  

heinrich66: Good one. Develop some standards. Learn about real comedy. Comedy is supposed to be about taking risks. It's supposed to be about telling people what they don't want to hear. Not reaffirming their prejudices. TDS is an exercise in affirming the prejudices of a left-leaning hipster-type crowd.


That's not what comedy is at all.

Comedy is iconoclastic. It goes after whatever is most sacred/taboo/personal/sacreligious, etc... It is all about exposing tropes and tearing down idolotry. Furthermore, there must be an element of truth to comedy. That's what makes it funny. Otherwise it's just confusing and makes no sense. Comedy must reveal truths, not reinforce pre-conceived narratives, and that's something I think Conservatives can never quite grasp.

But while comedy has be truthful, it doesn't have to be accurate. Authenticity is more important than accuracy. For example, look at Chris Rock's comedy which always has a political edge to it. Some of his analogies are loaded to the hilt, but that's okay because the point behind his jokes is not the politics, it's the jokes.

For instance, take his joke about gun control: "I don't think we need gun control, I think we need bullet control. I think all bullets should cost $5000." And then he launches into a hilarious skit about how absurd it would be to shoot somebody and then ask for your bullet back. See, that's funny, but the point is not the political debate over gun control, the point is the funny.

Conservatives don't seem to get this. They don't get satire, they don't get surrealism, they don't get absurdity or parody or sarcasm which are all important weapons in comedy. As soon as you try to hamfist some sort of message into your comedy, it stops becoming an end in itself and starts becoming a means, and then it loses the humor because people did not come to be preached to. They came to laugh.

And this is why comedy should never be seen as "liberal" or "conservative" in the first place. True, pure comedy is politically indivisible, delivered for its own sake, and utterly nihilistic and iconoclastic. If the audience accepts those things, then it becomes very enjoyable no matter the audience's political affiliation.

Conservatives will never accept the "iconoclastic" part because they often think of life as having moral absolutes and that some things should never be made fun of. And that is why they are not funny.

But that doesn't mean conservative humor cannot exist. Just look at South Park: Trey and Matt have done a masterful job of being equal opportunity offenders (making fun of everything from NASCAR and Jersey Shore to World of Warcraft, metrosexuals, Oprah and the NRA). Yet conservatives think its a conservative show, evidently using a careful filter whenever it attacks right-wing issues. Team America, after all, was not just a satire of liberal Hollywood elites.

But despite its total and complete nihilism and its bevy of leftwing targets, South Park is one of the most popular shows among liberals. The reason for this is because liberals don't hold their issues to be above criticism, condemnation, or parody. They can laugh at themselves.

I'm going to reassert this point: Comedy is iconoclastic. If you are too uptight or you hold anything sacred, you are not going to find jokes about the subject matter funny, no matter how clever they are.

This is the problem with Conservative comedians. They see comedy as a means to an end -- to push a political slant. That's where the jokes fail. The purpose of comedy is not politics. The purpose of comedy is comedy.
 
2012-06-27 07:57:12 PM  
Summoner101: Galloping Galoshes: CruiserTwelve: The original Watergate involved a Republican president. I guess what the Republicans are saying when they refer to something being "Obama's Watergate" is that "Obama is becoming as bad as us Nixon."

That's the Joke.
"This is Obama's (Insert Republican Clusterfark Here)."
 
2012-06-27 08:41:46 PM  
Gee, it's almost like somebody composed a script and passed it around to all the paid voices.

You know, on this tangent I'm actually jealous of the current Republican Party. They are so on key, they are so on message. The story they tell is constant bullshiat, but they control it so well. But they've spent a majority of their resources on communication and zilch on actual governing. Meanwhile the Democratic Party seems to be off in lala land doing jack shiat about anything, nevermind a comprehensive message. The only folks who have their shiat together made The Usual Suspects their Ultra Bible, and everyone else is dicking around like Dumb and Dumber. Come on, DemonicRats! You guys can do better. Stop giving the Republicans what they want!

The especially surprising thing is how eager the Republicans seem to be with throwing Nixon under the bus just to make the current President look bad. That makes me very uncomfortable, and I'm saying that as somebody who thinks Nixon was an incorrigible asshole who would do anything to win. I'd sooner vote for Nixon than I would any modern Republican.
 
2012-06-27 09:00:49 PM  

I alone am best: mrshowrules: NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link

I would typically accuse Conservative voters of being even dumber than Conservative politicians but I think Perry might be the exception.

That's funny coming from a Canadian who seems to spend so much time in threads about another countries politics.


I'm a Canadian who spends all his time in the American politics thread. Did I hurt your feelings? American Conservatives are dumber than American Liberals, they are even dumber than Canadian Conservatives.
 
2012-06-27 10:20:03 PM  

Thrag: I recently stayed at a Marriott and it was WAY WORSE THAN WATERGATE! The Watergate had much nicer rooms.


One could say the Marriott is the Watergate of hotel chains.
 
2012-06-27 11:07:39 PM  
Can I still call people Hilter when it's just to disagree with them instead of actually meeting Adolf's "Killed millions of minorities and conquered other countries" requirement?
 
2012-06-27 11:33:23 PM  

artifishy: Thrag: I recently stayed at a Marriott and it was WAY WORSE THAN WATERGATE! The Watergate had much nicer rooms.

One could say the Marriott is the Watergate of hotel chains.


Nah, that'd be Wyndham.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:13 AM  

heinrich66: qorkfiend: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

If both sides were equally deserving of ridicule, sure. They're not, so no, I don't think TDS should exhibit a false sense of balance.

This, of course, is where you're wrong. Both sides are equally deserving of ridicule. They both offer equally limited and self-contradictory worldviews to certain demographic groups. Naturally since you've chosen one side over the other you wouldn't see that.


That's incredibly naive. Both sides are not equal. Yes, the democrats have plenty of faults. But equal? No. I've never seen the Democrats act nearly as childish en masse as the democrats have since Obama's election. Bush Derangement Syndrome doesn't even come CLOSE.
 
2012-06-28 01:48:32 AM  

heinrich66: That's because it's not high comedy. It's sophomoric.


So why are you still watching it?
 
2012-06-28 02:08:13 AM  

mrshowrules: I alone am best: mrshowrules: NateGrey: Posted in another thread; but Rick Perry pretty much symbolizes the intelligence of the typical Contard:

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know.


Link

I would typically accuse Conservative voters of being even dumber than Conservative politicians but I think Perry might be the exception.

That's funny coming from a Canadian who seems to spend so much time in threads about another countries politics.

I'm a Canadian who spends all his time in the American politics thread. Did I hurt your feelings? American Conservatives are dumber than American Liberals, they are even dumber than Canadian Conservatives.


As you are Canadian, i would appreciate if you would be willing to share your views on Stephan Molyneux...
 
2012-06-28 04:50:14 AM  

heinrich66: brainiac-dumdum: heinrich66: valar_morghulis: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Know how I know you don't watch the Daily Show?

Know how I know you're a sucker?

I've watched The Daily Show for years. Nothing could be more obvious than that's it's basically intended for a 30-40 year old quasi-hipster audience.

But more to the point: it has a left-leaning ideological view (urbanite, tolerant) that skewers Republicans easily -- and justifiably -- but when it skewers Democrats there's always a feeling that it's doing something "bold". And when it skewers them it's for being hypocritical and not, say, because left-leaning principles are themselves bullshiat.

Go cry somewhere else. Do you want some sort of affirmative action program to compensate for the fact that conservatives tend to be humorless drones? You don't like TDS because it efficiently and hilariously showcases political BS and most of that BS is stinking up your side of the ideological aisle. If the Left is so chock-full of its own bull flavored shiat it should be easy to mock, so get your own shows and stop biatching.

Listen up, slave. Here's the skinny: I'm not a Republican. I'm also not a Democrat. I don't buy into worthless worldviews. I don't believe that as an individual I am entitled to rape and pillage and screw everybody else (Republican). I also don't believe that I have an identity only insofar as I belong to a some category within identity politics (African American, LGBT, Inuit) and that social progress is and can only be the progress of groups, not individuals.

If anything I am entirely opposed to an imperialism that most Americans don't even know exists, that results in countless deaths and terrible injustice on a global scale -- and is far worse than some "Republican" hypocrisy when it comes to INSERT SOCIAL ISSUE HERE.

The Daily Show routinely avoids the hard issues, takes ...


... Are you are talking about Comedy or Journalism? You seem to be confusing the two.

Seriously, you are not independent of worldviews. I'm sorry but everyone HAS a worldview and you just stated yours in your previous comments. Your criticizing people for banding together when they cannot be heard as a individual, really? Individualism has its limits like any other ideology! Don't be so smug. You are not the first to ever think of yourself as so unique and such an independent thinker. Its like those idiots you declare themselves a rebel and wear all black or get a bunch of tattoos. Then they start hanging out with people who do and say the exact same shiat.

As for Identity, many people don't simply Identity themselves as belonging to a single political group. When asked about identity most people state their regional ties, ethnicity, or occupation and only sometimes a political affiliation.

First off, you say you watch the Daily Show, think its shiat, but also think its better than anything else on... really? Damnit, I won't go any further because most of what's on now is practically reality TV.

Is TDS supposed to be hard hitting journalism? There are many different styles of comedy... are you saying everyone has to be a George Carlin? Wouldn't that end up being boring as fark, hearing everyone say the same shiat about what "they"(the establishment) wants you to do or believe?

Like it or not, you have a set of beliefs that guide you, a worldview, or ideology. Or whatever the fark you want to call it. You cannot deny it.
 
2012-06-28 08:02:19 AM  

thurstonxhowell: heinrich66: Wouldn't it be great if The Daily Show were politically independent, tearing into both sides equally, you know, like comedy used to do?

Wouldn't it be great if you shut the fark up?


Looks like he finally took my advice. Oh well, Fark has plenty of his brand of low intellect intellectual without him cluttering up the place.
 
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