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2012-06-27 09:12:11 AM  
I assume Subby thinks the federal government should just continue to ignore the problem. He must be a republican.
 
2012-06-27 09:17:28 AM  
What they really want is your doctor to tell you you're fat. I can already hear that for free, thanks!
 
2012-06-27 09:22:56 AM  
Oh wait, now I get it-

1. Whine and cry if the Feds do anything about the rising epidemic of obesity
2. Complain about the rising cost of Medicare and Medicaid, much of that cost because of the rising epidemic of obesity.
3. Demand that Medicare and Medicaid be privatized "In order to save the programs"
4. Um... Profit?
 
2012-06-27 09:45:04 AM  

Dinki: Oh wait, now I get it-

1. Whine and cry if the Feds do anything about the rising epidemic of obesity
2. Complain about the rising cost of Medicare and Medicaid, much of that cost because of the rising epidemic of obesity.
3. Demand that Medicare and Medicaid be privatized "In order to save the programs"
4. Um... Profit?


Or just legislate how the population lives in order to save the programs. I can hear it now.

When I tell you move, you'll move fast. When I tell you to jump, you're gonna say, "How high?" And make no mistake. I don't care where you come from, I don't care what color you are, I don't care how smart you are, I don't care how dumb you are, 'cause I'm gonna teach every last one of you how to eat, sleep, walk, talk, shoot, shiat like a United States citizen. Understand?
 
2012-06-27 09:45:56 AM  
There isn't a magic pill that will fix it, and it needs to be fixed. Prescribing counseling is a reasonable first step
 
2012-06-27 09:47:13 AM  
You know, back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for weight loss. They put it between their lips, and it wasn't that costly.
 
2012-06-27 09:48:29 AM  

Lost Thought 00: There isn't a magic pill that will fix it...


You've obviously never watched late-night TV.
 
2012-06-27 09:48:42 AM  
Exercise is out of the question I guess.
 
2012-06-27 09:49:30 AM  

Dinki: I assume Subby thinks the federal government should just continue to ignore the problem. He must be a republican.


We shouldn't ignore it.
We should tax the fat.
Tax the farking fastasses right to the point where they cannot afford to eat more than a hand full of rice a day.
 
2012-06-27 09:50:16 AM  
Eat healthier, get off your ass.

Stop whining because you're too goddamned lazy and cheap to cook something healthy for yourself.
 
2012-06-27 09:51:32 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Dinki: Oh wait, now I get it-

1. Whine and cry if the Feds do anything about the rising epidemic of obesity
2. Complain about the rising cost of Medicare and Medicaid, much of that cost because of the rising epidemic of obesity.
3. Demand that Medicare and Medicaid be privatized "In order to save the programs"
4. Um... Profit?

Or just legislate how the population lives in order to save the programs. I can hear it now.

When I tell you move, you'll move fast. When I tell you to jump, you're gonna say, "How high?" And make no mistake. I don't care where you come from, I don't care what color you are, I don't care how smart you are, I don't care how dumb you are, 'cause I'm gonna teach every last one of you how to eat, sleep, walk, talk, shoot, shiat like a United States citizen. Understand?


Sgt Hulka?
 
2012-06-27 09:51:59 AM  
How about stopping the subsidies on HFCS and sugar? That would be a great start.

Though 1 in 3 Americans, that's 100 million people, going every 2 weeks for 30 minutes. Assume an 8 hour day, one counselor could handle 80 people a week or 160 every 2... 100 million / 160 = 675,000 new jobs just created.
 
2012-06-27 09:52:00 AM  

vudukungfu: Dinki: I assume Subby thinks the federal government should just continue to ignore the problem. He must be a republican.

We shouldn't ignore it.
We should tax the fat.
Tax the farking fastasses right to the point where they cannot afford to eat more than a hand full of rice a day.


Tax unhealthy and fattie food. Lower taxes on healthy food.

Create incentives for businesses to sell more healthy foods, but still allow people to have the choice of eating garbage.
 
2012-06-27 09:52:39 AM  
What do obese Americans need, other than exercise?

Regulations and subsidies that actually encourage companies to use things like real sugar and reduce high fructose corn syrup levels. As things are currently structured, it's far, far cheaper to eat higher amounts of less healthy food than it is to eat more reasonable amounts of healthy stuff.
 
2012-06-27 09:52:41 AM  
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2012-06-27 09:12:11 AM


I assume Subby thinks the federal government should just continue to ignore the problem.


Yeah! When is the government finally gonna do something about how fat I am???
 
2012-06-27 09:53:15 AM  

Aarontology: Eat healthier, get off your ass.


That's all the counseling anyone really needs on the matter.
 
2012-06-27 09:54:41 AM  
This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.
 
2012-06-27 09:56:04 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Or just legislate how the population lives in order to save the programs. I can hear it now.


Oh, I can't wait to hear you clarify which direction your derp is dribbling on this one...

So given the fact that government programs like Medicare and Medicaid provide valid, necessary services for actually needy people who became needy through no fault of their own, and given the fact that some of the people on these programs invite or aggravate their own problems, what would you propose as a solution that doesn't involve providing reasonable feedback, counseling, or benchmarks from scary government officials in black helicopters?
 
2012-06-27 09:57:41 AM  
Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.

You can send people to all the nutrition and weight loss classes you want, but if they do not take personal responsibility for getting up off their lard asses and exercising and dieting, they will not get in shape.

Forcing people to do something they don't want to do will not work in long run. Why? Because it's a long run.
 
2012-06-27 09:58:37 AM  

rev. dave: This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.


You sound fat.
 
2012-06-27 09:58:58 AM  

Assimilate This: Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.

You can send people to all the nutrition and weight loss classes you want, but if they do not take personal responsibility for getting up off their lard asses and exercising and dieting, they will not get in shape.

Forcing people to do something they don't want to do will not work in long run. Why? Because it's a long run.


Well, maybe that's just what they need...a long run. Get it?!
 
2012-06-27 10:02:34 AM  

CJHardin: rev. dave: This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.

You sound fat.


One learns from experience. Nothing pisses me off more than dieting advice.
 
2012-06-27 10:04:13 AM  
Overweight people crack me up at the gym. They get on the treadmill or the elliptical with an iPod plugged into their ears and a magazine perched on the machine. Then they plod along for thirty minutes, never breaking a sweat. After a few weeks, they quit entirely because 1) they aren't losing weight, 2) working out is boring even with all their distractions, 3) they don't feel well. The majority of people cannot bear the mental or physical pain it requires to get in shape. They cringe when you tell them to leave the toys at home and actually push your body during that sixty minute period of the day. You can sit on your ass and watch television for the other 23 hours, but for that small amount of time, really push yourself to your current limits. I guarantee that in eight weeks you will have a whole different body. But yes, it's going to hurt, be monotonous, and require modifications to maintain in the long run. But it's not a god damn donut, it's exercise. Go enjoy something after you've finished punishing yourself.
 
2012-06-27 10:05:01 AM  
And what about those unfortunate souls with big bones? Will they be eligible for this counseling? Counseling for their big bones?
 
2012-06-27 10:05:54 AM  
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease...

In my fantasy world, if people with unhealthy eating habits have help and education to change their eating habits, they might -- might> -- start demanding better options at corner stores, smaller portions at restaurants, more no-carb, high-protein stuff at their local coffee shop instead of just pastries, and more public parks. And all of this would make me very happy indeed.

/my fantasy world is a nice place.
 
2012-06-27 10:07:04 AM  

rev. dave: CJHardin: rev. dave: This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.

You sound fat.

One learns from experience. Nothing pisses me off more than dieting advice.


I'm assuming that it is even worse if said advice is coming from someone who has never been overweight before.
 
2012-06-27 10:08:32 AM  

Aarontology: Tax unhealthy and fattie food. Lower taxes on healthy food.


Tax fatties.
Don't tax me for occasionally splurging on a snack.

If they are fat, they are taking the food out of the mouths of the starving.
 
2012-06-27 10:09:16 AM  
so all we gotta do is watch fat people run and we'll lose weight?

so all i gotta do is watch the Olympics??
 
2012-06-27 10:10:12 AM  

CJHardin: rev. dave: CJHardin: rev. dave: This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.

You sound fat.

One learns from experience. Nothing pisses me off more than dieting advice.

I'm assuming that it is even worse if said advice is coming from someone who has never been overweight before.


Exactly. Especially when people try to talk me out of the only diet that ever worked for me (low carb). Seems like everyone is a nutritionist these days. People still adhere to the calorie theory of weight loss rather than the metabolism of certain types of foods. It will take 20 years for everyone to catch up and realize that not all calories are the same.
 
2012-06-27 10:11:28 AM  

vudukungfu: Aarontology: Tax unhealthy and fattie food. Lower taxes on healthy food.

Tax fatties.
Don't tax me for occasionally splurging on a snack.

If they are fat, they are taking the food out of the mouths of the starving.


Tax hubris and we will make more revenue.
 
2012-06-27 10:16:21 AM  
The people don't need counseling because the "counseling" that people get from their doctors and dietitians is false. Why? Because the government's guidelines are flawed.

The fact that our food pyramid states that the foundation of our diet should consist of grains is why we are so freaking obese.

What do you feed pigs to get them fattened up for slaughter?

Not meat.

Not veggies.

Not fruit.

Not eggs.

Not butter.

Not even bacon :-)

GRAINS.

Why? Because they can eat and eat and eat and eat without feeling satiated and their brains just crave more and more.

The same thing holds true for humans. Food manufacturers plaster LOW FAT on their boxes, yet load their products with high fructose corn syrup. The government says "eat your heart healthy grains!" And by golly, they do it, thinking they are doing the right thing, regardless of the fact that high levels of refined carbohydrate consumption not only causes you to get fat, but also skyrockets your triglycerides (which sells statins!). Insulin resistance develops. Leptin sensitivity is decreased. This leads to type 2 diabetes and obesity.

The government health agencies, meanwhile, recommend doctors to treat these patients with insulin and other diabetes medications (remember, we're not talking about type I, that's a whole other animal), instead of actually fixing their broken metabolisms by getting the crap out of their diet. This results in BILLIONS of dollars in sales per year in pharmaceuticals. The government subsidizes the corn industry and the pharmaceutical industry, whose products go together like bullets and guns. Eat the grains, get fat. Take statins. Take diabetes med. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

It was the government that told us to quit eating animal fats and start eating processed grains, artificial fats (margarine, processed seed oils, shortening, anything "partially dehydrogenated, etc.), and refined sugar. And ever since, we have gotten fatter, dumber, lazier, and more depressed.

And you people want the GOVERNMENT to step in? Really? That's your fix?

How about you trying eating food that lived or came out of the ground and spent no time in a factory or a box. You know, the things people ate when obesity rates were in the single digits.

This isn't a democrat or republican issue. Politicians are bought and paid for on both sides. And as long as things stay the way they are, everybody is making money, so there is absolutely no reason to fix anything. But, do you know who can fix the obesity crisis?

YOU.


/end f-ing rant
 
2012-06-27 10:16:32 AM  

vudukungfu: Tax fatties.
Don't tax me for occasionally splurging on a snack.


I'm not taxing you. I'm taxing a food. You have the option to not pay the additional tax if you so wish. And since there would be more incentive for healthier foods due to lowering taxes there, you'll save more money in the long run. You'll understand if I don't give a rat's ass if your Doritos cost fifty cents more.

vudukungfu: If they are fat, they are taking the food out of the mouths of the starving.


The"food that most people eat to get fat isn't going to be shipped to some soup kitchen or the third world in the absence of a fat consumer.

Heavily processed garbage is exactly that: garbage. They're not getting fat by eating vegetables, fruits, and whole grains.
 
2012-06-27 10:18:41 AM  
When I was in the Army, I had multiple soldiers that had to go on the weight control program. I've seen every diet there is and they work differently for different people.

The one that showed the greatest success was a diet of LOTS of protein, LOTS of water, and NO carbs, veggies, or sugar. Add to that the hour of exercise in the morning and the 2 (or more) hours at the gym after work. Without carbs they were tired all the time, but they burnt all sorts of weight off quick.

It was mostly a crash diet meant to drop 15 to 20 pounds in a few weeks so it was definitely not healthy or advocated by any physician.

/just an example of different diets working differently.
 
2012-06-27 10:21:05 AM  

spentmiles: Overweight people crack me up at the gym. They get on the treadmill or the elliptical with an iPod plugged into their ears and a magazine perched on the machine. Then they plod along for thirty minutes, never breaking a sweat. After a few weeks, they quit entirely because 1) they aren't losing weight, 2) working out is boring even with all their distractions, 3) they don't feel well. The majority of people cannot bear the mental or physical pain it requires to get in shape. They cringe when you tell them to leave the toys at home and actually push your body during that sixty minute period of the day. You can sit on your ass and watch television for the other 23 hours, but for that small amount of time, really push yourself to your current limits. I guarantee that in eight weeks you will have a whole different body. But yes, it's going to hurt, be monotonous, and require modifications to maintain in the long run. But it's not a god damn donut, it's exercise. Go enjoy something after you've finished punishing yourself.


You've mentioned donuts. Now I'm hungry. Thanks.
 
2012-06-27 10:22:45 AM  

Aarontology: vudukungfu: Dinki: I assume Subby thinks the federal government should just continue to ignore the problem. He must be a republican.

We shouldn't ignore it.
We should tax the fat.
Tax the farking fastasses right to the point where they cannot afford to eat more than a hand full of rice a day.

Tax unhealthy and fattie food. Lower taxes on healthy food.

Create incentives for businesses to sell more healthy foods, but still allow people to have the choice of eating garbage.


My office is doing a biggest loser weight loss pool, with a bet on the side to make it interesting. We even have skinny and fit people betting on which fatty will win.

On the other hand, we have a grilled cheese food truck coming on thursday called "Sir Cheezy" to bring cheesy deliciousness to my office, making it smell like a deli for the rest of the day. The next day, they plan on bringing us a few dozen doughnuts (like they do every friday).

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I shall remain vigilant.
 
2012-06-27 10:23:40 AM  

spentmiles: Overweight people crack me up at the gym. They get on the treadmill or the elliptical with an iPod plugged into their ears and a magazine perched on the machine. Then they plod along for thirty minutes, never breaking a sweat. After a few weeks, they quit entirely because 1) they aren't losing weight, 2) working out is boring even with all their distractions, 3) they don't feel well. The majority of people cannot bear the mental or physical pain it requires to get in shape. They cringe when you tell them to leave the toys at home and actually push your body during that sixty minute period of the day. You can sit on your ass and watch television for the other 23 hours, but for that small amount of time, really push yourself to your current limits. I guarantee that in eight weeks you will have a whole different body. But yes, it's going to hurt, be monotonous, and require modifications to maintain in the long run. But it's not a god damn donut, it's exercise. Go enjoy something after you've finished punishing yourself.



THIS! And to add, there is nothing like the feeling of the first 10 minutes after you finish. Well, maybe sex. Especially if you hate to exercise. Like me. Lost 45 2 years ago and haven't put it back. Yay me!
 
2012-06-27 10:25:59 AM  

rev. dave: know th


No, really fat people know they're fat. I'm continually surprised by how many people don't believe they're overweight or unhealhy. I am 20 to 30 pounds overweight, and people continually tell me I'm not fat. No, I'm not obese, but I am overweight, and so are you.
 
2012-06-27 10:29:19 AM  

Expolaris: My office is doing a biggest loser weight loss pool, with a bet on the side to make it interesting. We even have skinny and fit people betting on which fatty will win.

On the other hand, we have a grilled cheese food truck coming on thursday called "Sir Cheezy" to bring cheesy deliciousness to my office, making it smell like a deli for the rest of the day. The next day, they plan on bringing us a few dozen doughnuts (like they do every friday).


There's nothing wrong with splurging every once in a while. It's the crap food becoming the primary diet that starts the problems.

/Did your teams have names? I recommend The Nice Personalities.
 
2012-06-27 10:30:29 AM  
Just tax everything. That'll fix it.
 
2012-06-27 10:35:34 AM  
I'm actually more outraged that we have a federal task force for fatties.

just line them up and put them on a plane to ethipoia.
they may return when they are thin again.
 
2012-06-27 10:35:38 AM  

Aarontology: Expolaris: My office is doing a biggest loser weight loss pool, with a bet on the side to make it interesting. We even have skinny and fit people betting on which fatty will win.

On the other hand, we have a grilled cheese food truck coming on thursday called "Sir Cheezy" to bring cheesy deliciousness to my office, making it smell like a deli for the rest of the day. The next day, they plan on bringing us a few dozen doughnuts (like they do every friday).

There's nothing wrong with splurging every once in a while. It's the crap food becoming the primary diet that starts the problems.

/Did your teams have names? I recommend The Nice Personalities.


Oh there will be grilled cheese in my future. The same truck is there at "Food Truck Thursdays" after work. I've gotten some amazing Korean BBQ Tacos, and some kick ass hand made pizza at the same event. So bad for me, but so delicious.

If i'm going to eat shiat food every so often (which is going to happen, i'm not going to live off this weight loss diet forever), at least it's going to be local creations instead of another burger in the drive thru.
 
2012-06-27 10:35:57 AM  
I think one of the biggest causes of obesity in America, is the fact that the media shoves food in our faces all the time. Look at all the fast food restaurant, sub shops, pizza shop commercials on all of the networks. Then there is Food Network and the Cooking Channel. Food in your face on two channels 24/7. Shows on the Travel Channel, Adam on Man VS Food stuffing his face at several restaurants in one day, and not looking like he gained a pound.

Then there are the mega grocery stores like Giant Eagle. I remember growing up in the 60's and 70's, grocery stores were about one forth the size of a typical Winn Dixie or Publix is now days.

With food in your face everywhere you turn, it is no wonder we are so obese in this country.
 
2012-06-27 10:36:58 AM  

Expolaris: The same truck is there at "Food Truck Thursdays" after work. I've gotten some amazing Korean BBQ Tacos,


That sounds amazing.

it'd almost be worth the bad knees and other health problems to eat that for every meal.
 
2012-06-27 10:37:04 AM  
I saw my first "couple on scooters" yesterday in my town. It made me so sad. Yes, they were both enormous fat hogs.

careless lisper: The people don't need counseling because the "counseling" that people get from their doctors and dietitians is false. Why? Because the government's guidelines are flawed.
The fact that our food pyramid states that the foundation of our diet should consist of grains is why we are so freaking obese.
What do you feed pigs to get them fattened up for slaughter?
Not meat.
Not veggies.
Not fruit.
Not eggs.
Not butter.
Not even bacon :-)
GRAINS.
Why? Because they can eat and eat and eat and eat without feeling satiated and their brains just crave more and more.
...


Lovely rant, so I'll just post this before the "I went on the paleo diet, and I've lost 65 pounds of ugly fat and now I'm solid muscle!" people get here.

I eat lots of carbs. Lots of bread, crackers, peanut butter, and lots of cheese and good stuff like that. I haven't eaten red meat since I was a teenager.. I don't freak out if I have to eat a hot dog or something, I just don't care for it much. I like turkey and chicken. I'm skinny and I've always been skinny, except when I drank like a fish. I'm not young either. I also exercise like a fiend, more for reasons of mental health than because I'm a health nut.

Get some farking exercise, and drink lots of water.
 
2012-06-27 10:40:07 AM  

vudukungfu: Aarontology: Tax unhealthy and fattie food. Lower taxes on healthy food.

Tax fatties.
Don't tax me for occasionally splurging on a snack.

If they are fat, they are taking the food out of the mouths of the starving.


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Why do you hate Amerika?
 
2012-06-27 10:40:27 AM  

Splinshints: what would you propose as a solution that doesn't involve providing reasonable feedback, counseling, or benchmarks from scary government officials in black helicopters?


How about live your life as you see fit?
 
2012-06-27 10:41:04 AM  

cryinoutloud:
Get some farking exercise, and drink lots of water.


Cokeheads can't drink water.
They must. have. Coke.
 
2012-06-27 10:41:11 AM  

rev. dave: CJHardin: rev. dave: CJHardin: rev. dave: This is somewhat stupid. Fat people know they are fat. Any attempts to talk down to them will just create a lower self esteem and make it all worse.

You sound fat.

One learns from experience. Nothing pisses me off more than dieting advice.

I'm assuming that it is even worse if said advice is coming from someone who has never been overweight before.

Exactly. Especially when people try to talk me out of the only diet that ever worked for me (low carb). Seems like everyone is a nutritionist these days. People still adhere to the calorie theory of weight loss rather than the metabolism of certain types of foods. It will take 20 years for everyone to catch up and realize that not all calories are the same.


SO MUCH THIS!!!!
 
2012-06-27 10:41:27 AM  

Aarontology: Heavily processed garbage is exactly that: garbage. They're not getting fat by eating vegetables, fruits, and whole grains.


meh, I rarely eat proceeded garbage, very little out of a can, box or bag.
I'm still fat though, because frankly, eating is awesome!
drinking is better.


The really big people I know always had cake at home, mmmm delicious cake!
 
2012-06-27 10:46:28 AM  
Makes sense.

I mean, you're told what you need to do, but without someone to help you do it, what easier, maintaining being overweight, or losing it?
 
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