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(WTKR)   Senator Mark Warner discusses 'secret, closed-door' budget meetings by bi-partisan 'Gang of Six' Says Congress will go on Double-Secret Probation if they fail again   (wtkr.com) divider line 24
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2012-06-27 10:01:42 AM
Let me save you all some time:
[T]he new plan senators are working on [is] dubbed Simpson/Bowles 2.0.

"If we get our act together and put this deal together, there would be nothing that would bring more economic growth, nothing that would bring more jobs," said Warner.

Even with that January 1st deadline looming, in a presidential campaign year, Warner admits nothing can be done until after the election.

He and other senators say they hope to have a plan in place ready to be voted on by the end of the year.

"It's going to take Democrats and Republicans working together," said Warner.

Still, the big question remains...can that actually happen?


No. Next...
 
2012-06-27 10:03:03 AM
Seeing how well the last "compromise" worked out, I suspect this is a SHOOT THE HOSTAGE situation.
 
2012-06-27 10:08:41 AM
Sounds like they're trying to resurrect Simpson-Bowles. Surely it won't die again when half of the republicans who openly endorse this resurrection decide to vote against it in the eleventh hour because Grover Norquist lives under their beds or whatever.

Go ahead and have your private meetings, I'm sure you can all use pretty words and feel good about your collaboration, but just wait until the camera's on and see who scurries back into the darkness.

I don't even LIKE a lot of what SB was set up to do... but Warner's gotta be smarter than that, doesn't he?
 
2012-06-27 10:12:25 AM

BeesNuts: Sounds like they're trying to resurrect Simpson-Bowles. Surely it won't die again when half of the republicans who openly endorse this resurrection decide to vote against it in the eleventh hour because Grover Norquist lives under their beds or whatever.

Go ahead and have your private meetings, I'm sure you can all use pretty words and feel good about your collaboration, but just wait until the camera's on and see who scurries back into the darkness.

I don't even LIKE a lot of what SB was set up to do... but Warner's gotta be smarter than that, doesn't he?


They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.
 
2012-06-27 10:12:26 AM
Tax cuts on top earners, increase the tax base on low earners, cut NPR.
 
2012-06-27 10:16:36 AM

LarryDan43: Tax cuts on top earners, increase the tax base on low earners, cut NPR.


You are missing something. Can you outlaw abortions and then tell everyone how you are for small government?
 
2012-06-27 10:20:13 AM
"Will it hurt the economy?"

The answer to this question is a predictor for "Will the GOP vote for it" with an accuracy of 100%.
 
2012-06-27 10:23:22 AM

GoodyearPimp: LarryDan43: Tax cuts on top earners, increase the tax base on low earners, cut NPR.

You are missing something. Can you outlaw abortions and then tell everyone how you are for small government?


I thought we did that? I get confused.

Romney 2012.
 
2012-06-27 10:28:47 AM

LarryDan43: GoodyearPimp: LarryDan43: Tax cuts on top earners, increase the tax base on low earners, cut NPR.

You are missing something. Can you outlaw abortions and then tell everyone how you are for small government?

I thought we did that? I get confused.

Romney 2012.


Oh and same sex marriage should be outlawed because the government would be required to hire more people to generate new license forms and perform the ceremonies and you're for small government so you can't possibly allow that to happen.
 
2012-06-27 10:47:24 AM
Not going to happen. Only 10 Republican seats are open in the house, and even if the Dems took all of them and held all existing seats, it wouldn't be enough to overturn the Rep. majority. Hopefully they will make enough gains in the Senate to end the filibuster nonsense.

The best offense for the Democrats right now is to bring these negotiations out into the open, not behind closed doors. I understand that they are trying to reach a compromise, but they (and the moderate Republicans who are no longer there) have already tried this. It will turn into a last minute game of chicken again, and it also lets extreme-right stand in front of the cameras and say "well, we TRIED to negotiate, but mean Mr. Muslim-Commie-Fascist wouldn't compromise."

Bring the negotiations out into the open, when the hard right starts to scream about taxes and excessive government, force them to start saying which programs they want to cut. Force Romney to side with the Tea Party and lose moderate votes, or side with the moderates and lose Republican support (and yes, I know he will still get their support as opposed to Obama, but you can end the solid Republican voting block if you start an internal civil war). What has made the damn tea party so effective is that they get to biatch about the government and debts while at the same time not making any real hard cuts. This is the same thing with that weasel Grover Norquist, who always proposes balancing tax-cuts with spending cuts, as long as spending cuts come first. Force them to come out into the light and say which social services they want to cut, start saying that they want to create death panels, that they want the elderly to die in the street. Alan Simpson has done a great job going around calling the hard-right Republicans on their bullshiat. For the life of me I can't figure out why Democrats can't do the same.
 
2012-06-27 10:59:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: "Will it hurt the economy?"

The answer to this question is a predictor for "Will the GOP vote for it" with an accuracy of 100%.


That's tough. I mean if the law was "All our military bases will be closed and land sold to China". It would hurt the economy, but I don't think the GOP would vote for it. It would be a tough choice for the DNC though. -grin-
 
2012-06-27 11:40:01 AM

qorkfiend: They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-27 11:44:42 AM
Nothing of substance will be decided before the election anyways.
 
2012-06-27 12:15:53 PM

stielhandgranate: qorkfiend: They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.

[i.imgur.com image 640x368]


I must be confusing him with another Warner. My bad.
 
2012-06-27 12:18:45 PM

qorkfiend: stielhandgranate: qorkfiend: They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.

[i.imgur.com image 640x368]

I must be confusing him with another Warner. My bad.


So wait. There's two Senator Mark Warners from Virginia?
 
2012-06-27 12:19:02 PM

GoodyearPimp: You are missing something. Can you outlaw abortions and then tell everyone how you are for small government?


What we need is a tax cut on abortions. That should satisfy everybody on both sides of the aisle.
 
2012-06-27 12:21:15 PM

Simpson Bowles is a steaming pile of crap.


Paying for tax cuts for corporations and the rich by hammering the middle class: removing mortgage deduction, raising social security taxes, reducing social security benefits, removing employer healthcare deductions. Nothing would be better than this thing failing hard.

 
2012-06-27 12:21:26 PM

stielhandgranate: qorkfiend: They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.

[i.imgur.com image 640x368]


I can't find any mention of a Senator Mark Warner from Virginia who is a Republican.
 
2012-06-27 12:49:08 PM

qorkfiend: stielhandgranate: qorkfiend: They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.

[i.imgur.com image 640x368]

I can't find any mention of a Senator Mark Warner from Virginia who is a Republican.


Because there isn't one. Warner is a dem, the TV caption is wrong, and I hope he gets the prez nomination in '16.
 
2012-06-27 03:57:54 PM
The only way I see this passing is if enough seats are overturned. The Dems are not going to vote on a Simpson Bowles and Repubs are not going to either because of cuts to welfare and the increased taxes. Lets all pray for some lame duck doing the right thing.
 
2012-06-27 04:08:13 PM
Nice work, Senator Nextel. Nothing's going to get done. The President like Simpson-Bowles, and nothing the Senate does is going to change that. The Republican House won't like it, either. If the Romney campaign signs on to something similar and he wins (big, big if, there.....) something might get done during lame duck. But I put the odds about even with the Browns winning the AFC North.
 
2012-06-27 04:10:45 PM

hurdboy: The President

didn't like Simpson-Bowles

FTFM. Essentially, they got fired when they said that things like the mortgage interest deduction would probably have to go away.
 
2012-06-27 08:22:19 PM
Democratic Party idea of compromise: give the GOP what it wants.

GOP idea of compromise: give us what we want.

/dot dot dot
 
2012-06-28 08:18:52 AM

qorkfiend: BeesNuts: Sounds like they're trying to resurrect Simpson-Bowles. Surely it won't die again when half of the republicans who openly endorse this resurrection decide to vote against it in the eleventh hour because Grover Norquist lives under their beds or whatever.

Go ahead and have your private meetings, I'm sure you can all use pretty words and feel good about your collaboration, but just wait until the camera's on and see who scurries back into the darkness.

I don't even LIKE a lot of what SB was set up to do... but Warner's gotta be smarter than that, doesn't he?

They've gotta try something, and something like this can provide a rallying point that's not clearly partisan (like the Ryan Plan or the People's Budget). Warner's probably trying to highlight his bipartisan credentials; he could be aiming for a speaking slot at the convention, or possibly a Cabinet post, with his eye on the Democratic nomination 2016.


I hadn't thought of that. But a mug like his ain't gonna get the nom in 2016. Or 2060 for that matter. But he could certainly get floated to the top-o-the-list on both sides of the aisle for committee and cabinet positions, true dat.
 
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