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2012-06-27 08:24:51 AM
Maybe because they never caught bird flu (H5N1), and instead died in the H1N1 pandemic.
 
2012-06-27 09:22:14 AM
comicmegastore.com

The government is lying
 
2012-06-27 09:30:56 AM
Swine not bird.
 
2012-06-27 10:08:16 AM
This is the fl where you get super bird powers, right?
 
2012-06-27 10:09:43 AM
The commute to work sucked today. We could do with a lot fewer drivers on the road. More bird flu, please. A pandemic might be just the thing to thin the herd out a bit.
 
2012-06-27 10:09:49 AM

2 grams: This is the fl where you get super bird powers, right?


No one in Florida has super powers.
 
2012-06-27 10:11:40 AM
I wouldn't remember being dead either. In fact, I feel happy I feel happy
 
2012-06-27 10:11:47 AM
wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.
 
2012-06-27 10:15:38 AM

Mirrorz: 2 grams: This is the fl where you get super bird powers, right?

No one in Florida has super powers.


You've never been to FL have you? Florida is filled with Super heroes! There's Meth Man, Brandi The Super Striper, TrailerPark Avenger, The White Trash Super Alliance, and don't forget the Giant Talking Mouse.
 
2012-06-27 10:19:22 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.


Yep. And it's a great big pile of "meh" to me.

H1N1 killed about the same number of people over the course of a few months as die of natural causes in about 3 days (@150,000 per day). Not "scary" in the least bit. "Asinine" that we made such a big deal out of it.

When they release the big one, where, say, a half-billion die over the course of a few months, I'll be a bit more alarmed. But when it's my time, it's my time....And yes, swine, not bird!!
 
2012-06-27 10:19:48 AM
Lone Simonsen, a research professor in the department of global health at George Washington University and co-author of an accompanying journal editorial, said, "This first estimate of the global mortality burden of the 2009 pandemic is an important study that confirms the impression that the laboratory-confirmed deaths had deeply underestimated the burden of this pandemic."

She cautioned, however, that the method used to calculate the deaths has not been used before and needs to be validated before the findings can be taken as gospel.

"Therefore, there is still uncertainty about the exact number of deaths in individual regions and countries," Simonsen added.


In other words, this is horseshiat
 
2012-06-27 10:20:07 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.


Yes. Bird flu is H5N1.

/ waiting for (the stupid) people to claim there was no pandemic at all, it's just a media conspiracy to scare people for ratings
 
2012-06-27 10:20:15 AM
Remember SARS? Ah, the good old days.
 
2012-06-27 10:21:26 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.

Yep. And it's a great big pile of "meh" to me.

H1N1 killed about the same number of people over the course of a few months as die of natural causes in about 3 days (@150,000 per day). Not "scary" in the least bit. "Asinine" that we made such a big deal out of it.

When they release the big one, where, say, a half-billion die over the course of a few months, I'll be a bit more alarmed. But when it's my time, it's my time....And yes, swine, not bird!!


Okay. Not exactly what I was awaiting, but your post is brainless enough to allow me to leave satisfied...
 
2012-06-27 10:21:35 AM
Which also means there were millions more infected people that went undiagnosed but survived.

If you're going to trust underfunded, incompetent and criminal health care systems, then don't be surprised when the numbers are fake or at least wildly inaccurate.

This is a medical services vehicle in Communist China. It's used to harvest organs from criminals--you know, like Tank Man--who were just put to death.

cache.gawkerassets.com

The Nazis had something similar.

www.v2rocket.com

I wonder if IBM...er, Dehomag has subsidiary in Chi Com land
 
2012-06-27 10:22:55 AM
Thanks a lot, People Eating Tasty Animals.

These flu strains begin in factory-farmed animal populations - hence swine flu, avian flu, etc.
 
2012-06-27 10:24:22 AM
In fairness, most of the deaths were in Africa and, as you all know, Africans are just 3/5ths of a person.

/I feel dirty
 
2012-06-27 10:28:03 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.

Yep. And it's a great big pile of "meh" to me.

H1N1 killed about the same number of people over the course of a few months as die of natural causes in about 3 days (@150,000 per day). Not "scary" in the least bit. "Asinine" that we made such a big deal out of it.


New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.

// irony: my friends' wedding was reported in the media as a result of the panic
// that's me in between the happy couple
 
2012-06-27 10:29:11 AM

destrip: Thanks a lot, People Eating Tasty Animals.

These flu strains begin in factory-farmed animal populations - hence swine flu, avian flu, etc.



The issue is not people eating animals. The issue is people feeding animals to animals for feed.
 
2012-06-27 10:29:53 AM
500,000 people remember SARStock!

The Guess Who, Rush, AC/DC, The Rolling Stones and some other bands.. all for $28!
 
2012-06-27 10:34:41 AM
Applying this rule to the data, Widdowson's team estimated that the actual number of deaths from the pandemic H1N1 flu from April 2009 to August 2010 was between 151,700 and 575,400 across the globe.


thats one heck of a range. so in reality, you dont have a clue

gotcha
 
2012-06-27 10:35:45 AM

hinten: destrip: Thanks a lot, People Eating Tasty Animals.

These flu strains begin in factory-farmed animal populations - hence swine flu, avian flu, etc.


The issue is not people eating animals. The issue is people feeding animals to animals for feed.


Um, no. With flu, feeding has nothing to do with it. The issue is large amounts of animals crowded into small areas.
 
2012-06-27 10:36:09 AM

hinten: destrip: Thanks a lot, People Eating Tasty Animals.

These flu strains begin in factory-farmed animal populations - hence swine flu, avian flu, etc.

The issue is not people eating animals. The issue is people feeding animals to animals for feed.


The issue is birds being raised in rice paddies next to pigs and humans where their viruses can recombine and adapt. Try and persuade an Asian farmer he shouldn't take advantage of ducks eating insects but not rice plants.
 
2012-06-27 10:36:43 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The commute to work sucked today. We could do with a lot fewer drivers on the road. More bird flu, please. A pandemic might be just the thing to thin the herd out a bit.


Shares your concerns, would like to introduce himself...

2.bp.blogspot.com

/hot as a nuclear bomb in Vegas.
 
2012-06-27 10:49:46 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.

Yep. And it's a great big pile of "meh" to me.

H1N1 killed about the same number of people over the course of a few months as die of natural causes in about 3 days (@150,000 per day). Not "scary" in the least bit. "Asinine" that we made such a big deal out of it.

When they release the big one, where, say, a half-billion die over the course of a few months, I'll be a bit more alarmed. But when it's my time, it's my time....And yes, swine, not bird!!



Why does a country go ballistic when a few children lose a finger in a chain supported swing set, but when 500k people die it's not a big deal?

/ass hat
 
2012-06-27 10:54:40 AM

Dr Dreidel: Hunter_S_Thompson: TrainingWheelsNeeded: wasn't h1n1 the swine flu.

Yep. And it's a great big pile of "meh" to me.

H1N1 killed about the same number of people over the course of a few months as die of natural causes in about 3 days (@150,000 per day). Not "scary" in the least bit. "Asinine" that we made such a big deal out of it.

New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.

// irony: my friends' wedding was reported in the media as a result of the panic
// that's me in between the happy couple


I think their silly Jew hats are on wrong.
 
2012-06-27 10:57:57 AM
The headline is technically correct... the 500,000 people that died of swine flu no longer remember the bird flu.
 
2012-06-27 11:01:22 AM

Dr Dreidel: New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.


New rule: if you don't understand the word panic, you don't get to use it.

Strike One, Doc.
 
2012-06-27 11:03:09 AM
Just finished reading The Jupiter Plague by Harrison, again...

:/
 
2012-06-27 11:12:07 AM

Splinshints: Dr Dreidel: New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.

New rule: if you don't understand the word panic, you don't get to use it.

Strike One, Doc.


Wait, what? Was there not a gigantic "OMGzzz SWYNE FLOO GONA KILLL US ALLLLLZZZORZZZZ!!!" in 2009? I seem to remember there being a flurry of media attention devoted to that very theme.
 
2012-06-27 11:23:53 AM
"It was totally serious you guys!"
 
2012-06-27 11:27:21 AM
impossible to prove, yet apparently newsworthy

This just in!
A group of 'international' scientists have stated that:
It is estimated that bears kill over two million salmon a year. Attacks by salmon on bears are much more rare. Right, that's got to be true, right? Alright, let's go with that one.
 
2012-06-27 11:28:29 AM
"The pandemic H1N1 flu in 2009 may have killed more than 500,000 people around the world, 15 times more than reported, a new study suggests."

Versus how many who died from regular flu in the same year?
 
2012-06-27 11:31:22 AM

Dr Dreidel: New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.


Good point. AIDS isn't a big deal. I don't see why we'd bother caring about it when you can get married while you have it. Ditto cancer. Also heart disease. And lupus. Don't forget diabetes. Yessir, none of those warrant any attention.
 
2012-06-27 11:32:52 AM
Anyone remember the Ebola outbreaks?

Man, kids these days. Flu ain't shiat.

/had H1N1, it was four days of suck
//will never skip a Flu shot again
 
2012-06-27 11:37:59 AM

natas6.0: impossible to prove, yet apparently newsworthy

This just in!
A group of 'international' scientists have stated that:
It is estimated that bears kill over two million salmon a year. Attacks by salmon on bears are much more rare. Right, that's got to be true, right? Alright, let's go with that one.


If it comes with a decent model and supporting data to show how you arrived at your model, I bet there's a journal that would publish a paper that estimates the amount of salmon consumed by bears. In fact, I'm sure there is. Why would you pick that as your go-to ridiculous thing?
 
2012-06-27 11:55:08 AM

thurstonxhowell: Dr Dreidel: New rule: if a couple can still hold their marriage ceremony while suffering the effects of a disease/condition/virus, the media don't get to create a panic.

Good point. AIDS isn't a big deal. I don't see why we'd bother caring about it when you can get married while you have it. Ditto cancer. Also heart disease. And lupus. Don't forget diabetes. Yessir, none of those warrant any attention.


Have there been a rash of "AIDS is hiding under your child's bed, they can get it from normal contact with other students at school, and they'll be DEAD BY DAWN!!!" stories since 1985?

There's a difference between creating a panic (like, suggesting people buy all the vaccines they can, 3 for each member of the family) and drawing awareness.

Also, not that this was part of my definition, but except for AIDS, none of those diseases gets passed from person to person. None of them (AIDS included) passes from person to person through incidental contact.
 
2012-06-27 11:56:25 AM
FTFA: 'The pandemic H1N1 flu in 2009 may have killed more than 500,000 people around the world, 15 times more than reported, a new study suggests.

I can't recall the last time I read an article filled with more weasel words; 'suggests', 'don't report', 'may never be known', etc.

Talk about 'scare mongering'.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/health/HealthDay666078_20120625_Pandemic_ H1N1_Flu_Killed_Far_More_Than_Reported__Study.html?cmpid=138896554#ixz z1z0cuH7tV
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else
 
2012-06-27 11:57:15 AM
No subby, the H1N1 virus was a manufacture crisis so that Obama could declare martial law, put everyone in a FEMA camp, and inject us all with microchips.

Get a clue, sheeple. This "healthday" website is part of the conspiracy!
 
2012-06-27 11:58:18 AM

SwiftFox: Lone Simonsen, a research professor in the department of global health at George Washington University and co-author of an accompanying journal editorial, said, "This first estimate of the global mortality burden of the 2009 pandemic is an important study that confirms the impression that the laboratory-confirmed deaths had deeply underestimated the burden of this pandemic."

She cautioned, however, that the method used to calculate the deaths has not been used before and needs to be validated before the findings can be taken as gospel.

"Therefore, there is still uncertainty about the exact number of deaths in individual regions and countries," Simonsen added.

In other words, this is horseshiat


But it's peer reviewed horseshiat. Which is the finest kind of horseshiat.
 
2012-06-27 12:09:12 PM
"Believing deaths in some areas were greater than others, they weighted their model to account for these differences."

Because changing your data to meet the theory represents the best of science.
 
2012-06-27 12:37:01 PM
Here let me add a little something to this...

Tests reveal high-path H7N3 in Mexican poultry farm outbreaks

Jun 26, 2012 (CIDRAP News) - Mexican veterinary authorities are intensifying avian influenza control efforts in a region that houses several large commercial farms after further tests determined that the strain responsible for more than 200,000 bird deaths at three farms is the highly pathogenic H7N3 subtype. The events represent the first highly pathogenic avian influenza outbreaks in Mexican flocks since the country battled H5N2 in the mid 1990s.

This is bad news for chicken little.
 
2012-06-27 12:56:47 PM
Oh and that Y2K bug! Showed us how much of a killer it was...

/facepalm
 
2012-06-27 01:33:21 PM

neversubmit: This is bad news for chicken little.


Well to be fair to the nay-sayers he did say "The sky is falling" not The flu is killing me.
 
2012-06-27 01:49:50 PM

Dr Dreidel: Was there not a gigantic "OMGzzz SWYNE FLOO GONA KILLL US ALLLLLZZZORZZZZ!!!" in 2009?


No.

Dr Dreidel: I seem to remember there being a flurry of media attention devoted to that very theme.


No, you don't.

What you remember is the legitimate concerns raised by scientists about the very likely possibility of a pandemic that then happened and the very real possibility of a mutation making it transmissible between humans which, fortunately, did not happen.

Just because you want to believe there was a panic doesn't mean there really was one. The closest thing to "panic" was a run on Tamiflu, and by panic standards, that was a pretty lame "panic".

JustSeanV67: Oh and that Y2K bug! Showed us how much of a killer it was...

It's almost like there was a large, multiyear effort to upgrade and patch computer system that could potentially have been affected by a serious oversight in early software designs.... huh....

I swear to god some of you people must have to go miles out of your own way to make up things to be annoyed at the government and media about.
 
2012-06-27 02:01:02 PM

Splinshints: What you remember is the legitimate concerns raised by scientists about the very likely possibility of a pandemic that then happened and the very real possibility of a mutation making it transmissible between humans which, fortunately, did not happen.


I remember the scientists telling us this was a bad flu. I remember hearing from the people that got it that it was a bad flu.

I also remember the newspeople (who are not employed as scientists) and the programs they appear on yelling about how it was all a matter of days before the swine flu mutated and infected everyone coast-to-coast, reporting on the runs on Tamiflu (a Cheney/Rumsfeld product, by the way), and basically flogging the hell out of this story due to it being summertime (and no attractive white girls had gone missing yet). And almost every time they actually had a scientist on, they were there to moderate the sensationalist claims the journalists were making.

And I remember my buddy Turtle's wedding, where the people who run the synagogue were so godsdamned paranoid about people getting the flu that they forced the two of them to wear surgical masks and gloves. I've been to weddings where one or both had a stomach flu or other bug, and no similar precautions were taken.
 
2012-06-27 03:05:49 PM
Hmm, looking at data I found on various websites, 250,000 to 500,000 people die each year from the flu. This sounds like a normal flu mortality rate.

EVERYBODY PANIC!
 
2012-06-27 03:32:30 PM
My brother's mother-in-law died of H1N1. Well, to be more precise, she died of severe pneumonia brought on by H1N1. It was sad. She started having flu-like symptoms and a week later she was comatose in a machine that rotated her body to keep the fluid from pooling in her lungs. Eventually, they had to take her off of life support and she died.
 
2012-06-27 03:43:36 PM

Splinshints: Dr Dreidel: Was there not a gigantic "OMGzzz SWYNE FLOO GONA KILLL US ALLLLLZZZORZZZZ!!!" in 2009?

No.

Dr Dreidel: I seem to remember there being a flurry of media attention devoted to that very theme.

No, you don't.


Were you born in 2010? I think we can remember a panic that happened three years ago.
 
2012-06-27 03:53:50 PM
Flu turned my spouse into a zombie!

/she got better
 
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