Babwa Wawa: namatad: and the cop lost his job???
why isnt he in prison??????

Yeah, but I'm told if he screws up ONE MORE TIME, he's going to be in some BIG TROUBLE, MISTER.

That's the 'ol "Cop has a clean record" excuse. So, nothing goes on his record. Then, the next time he gets in trouble, he doesn't get punished because he has a clean record...and so on..and so on

OK, SWAT is coming out now.

OK, kicking in door now.

Pimp and FBI CI


I've seen this movie.

He sent him "insightful" messages? I need new friends all of their texts are either stupid or unnecessary. Someone who texted me insightful things might help me make a better person out of myself.

Babwa and Namatad, did you guys even read the article?

I've been wrong, I guess sometimes the cops do help people.

Of all the reasons for LEOs to not give their friends inside info, "they might be FBI informants" would've never crossed my mind.

Smackledorfer: Babwa and Namatad, did you guys even read the article?

namatad: and the cop lost his job???
why isnt he in prison??????

Im sure he still gets a taxpayer funded pension too.

Smackledorfer: Babwa and Namatad, did you guys even read the article?

One rule for cops and one rule for everyone else.

How sweet. Cops want to know what he did, he says give me immunity and I'll tell you. How about YOU INVESTIGATE EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING?

Cops got the evidence of his texts from subpoena but how nice of them to have already given him immunity already.

I hate 99% of cops.

PsyLord: Paid administrative leave (paid vacation) and then granted him immunity for obstruction?

/must be nice to be a cop

rta

So cop recruiters are still using IQ tests the opposite way that normal recruiters use them, I see.

If he does it again he will get a letter of reprimand in his file!

What I gleaned from the article, and the google search was follows :

1.)The cop was really really close friends with the informant. They spent lots of time together, trained together, practiced martial arts together.

2.)He didn't actually tip the guy off by saying SWATS COMING DUDE. He just said ARE YOU KEEPING CLEAN?
which, may or may not have been code words. It's unknown what was said on the phone call. It's harder to convince someone by saying "I think he said this." as opposed to "I know he said this because we had it tapped.".

3.)The cop was offered IMMUNITY to tell the story on what happened. Cop told. Cop resigned. No crime.

4.)The informant turned himself in. He was an informant, informants are a double edged sword. You ignore some crimes in exchange for more juice on other people.

Looks to me like the situation was, cops were keeping a pet informant and covering for him. Informant still had bad behavior but it was paying off in arresting of other bad guys. A boss decided they were going to arrest the informant. Not only arrest, but send in an armed swat team.
Got to the point where they took the two guys off who were close to the informant because they were so close to him. Conflict of interests.

Someone made a call the officers didn't agree with. One of the officers was loyal or cared for the informant.

Crime or no crime, informant operations is always a grey area bordering on entrapment.
The cop didn't want his friend taken down by swat because he might have been shot or killed.

Not sure why the FBI wasn't doing the arrest and the LOCAL swat was.
It seems like it's a FED vs STATE pissing contest. You know them ol' rub one out power struggles.
Either way, it looks like it was heavily political.

"Edwards, 30, won't face prosecution because the State Attorney's Office offered him immunity in exchange for explaining what had happened...Edwards, who had been with the department for five years, was placed on administrative leave with pay on Jan. 12 while Internal Affairs investigated. He resigned April 24." - TFA

So basically he won't go to jail or be in any trouble at all and got a paid vacation for 3 1/2 months.

/assumes that is how I would be treated in a similar situation right?

Babwa Wawa: Smackledorfer: Babwa and Namatad, did you guys even read the article?

Smackledorfer and SDRR, do you understand humor when you read it? How could you read a sentence that ends with the word "mister" in caps and conclude it was anything but sarcasm?

I don't think you understand why you need to rtfa. Maybe if you read it you'll find out. Your Weeners was the retarded one.

rta

Came for The Shield reference.

/leaving disappointed

This happened very recently in Dallas too. Only the one in Dallas tipped off the subject of the raid and didn't exactly turn himself in.
Link

I like how they are keeping the CI's identity secret, but in the same article we learn:
He works out at the American Top Team gym
He has had multiple felony arrests
Edwards is his martial arts coach
He's friends with Courtney

I tell you, the guy's a GHOST.

Babwa Wawa: Smackledorfer: I don't think you understand why you need to rtfa. Maybe if you read it you'll find out. Your Weeners was the retarded one.

I have. In fact, I read before I posted. And I've since re-read it, and I'll stand by what I wrote up top. You don't need to send in an armed SWAT team to nab a confidential informant with whom law enforcement is in regular contact. That's how people get hurt. You just grab him during a regular meet-up.

This is all supported by the fact that the dude came in on his own the next f*cking day.

Of course, if the chief uses common sense when he goes about leveraging his SWAT team, it's harder for him to justify all the stupid f*cking gear and training he wastes building up his own little platoon so he can play army men.

Do you believe the SWAT team should exist at all?

If so, do you believe those officers wouldn't be costing the city the exact same amount of money if they stayed home that day? Given that obviously they would still be costing the city the same amount whether they were used in that kind of op or not, what is the big deal with using them to serve warrants on dangerous criminals? Did I miss some part of the article where it states that there was a bigger thing going on across town and everybody died because the SWAT team was wasting its time with this guy?

You use the word "play" a lot. Playing around is exactly what they AREN'T doing when they take a threat seriously and move with more than the minimum level of force required.

namatad: and the cop lost his job???
why isnt he in prison??????

He was given immunity in exchange for an explanation.

Babwa Wawa: Smackledorfer: I don't think you understand why you need to rtfa. Maybe if you read it you'll find out. Your Weeners was the retarded one.

I have. In fact, I read before I posted. And I've since re-read it, and I'll stand by what I wrote up top. You don't need to send in an armed SWAT team to nab a confidential informant with whom law enforcement is in regular contact. That's how people get hurt. You just grab him during a regular meet-up.

This is all supported by the fact that the dude came in on his own the next f*cking day.

Of course, if the chief uses common sense when he goes about leveraging his SWAT team, it's harder for him to justify all the stupid f*cking gear and training he wastes building up his own little platoon so he can play army men.

Yeah, it sounds like the chief has a case of swinging .

Immunity for explaining what happened? That is the sweetest deal ever! You should all be happy for him. Haters.

"If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend I hope I should have the guts to betray my country." -E.M. Foster

/Props for being a true friend, no matter what the other guy did

Smackledorfer: Do you believe the SWAT team should exist at all?

If so, do you believe those officers wouldn't be costing the city the exact same amount of money if they stayed home that day? Given that obviously they would still be costing the city the same amount whether they were used in that kind of op or not, what is the big deal with using them to serve warrants on dangerous criminals? Did I miss some part of the article where it states that there was a bigger thing going on across town and everybody died because the SWAT team was wasting its time with this guy?

You use the word "play" a lot. Playing around is exactly what they AREN'T doing when they take a threat seriously and move with more than the minimum level of force required.

How about that they were fully intending to bring military style force to corral a suspect they called up and just asked to come in the next day, and he complied?

When is it EVER the legal or morally ethically thing to do to exercise force indiscriminately, when simpler safer methods haven't been exhausted?

Babwa Wawa: You clearly don't understand the composition of most SWAT teams. In all but the largest cities, SWAT members are just beat and patrol officers with some extra training in special weapons and tactics. So using them in situations where they are not needed is a waste of resources on a number of levels. Smaller towns will share a SWAT capability with other towns, but they're still comprised of beat cops

Do you have a citation for this SWAT team, since it is so clear that I don't know shiat about SWAT teams?
But ok, so the cops should have been out doing what, then? Writing traffic tickets? Is that more important than going after a dangerous suspect with superior numbers and training?

I know you don't seem to believe criminals are dangerous, or at least this particular multiple felon, but it appears that the cops did. I'd rather let the police apprehending people decide whether they want an extra man with them than have them make a phone call to Babwa Wawa. I'm willing to bet they didn't call you, and in fact you can see in the article that they articulated their reasoning: he was a trained martial artist and multiple felon.

Babwa Wawa: First, this is not a dangerous criminal. He's a f*cking CI - you can nab him quietly any damned time and place you please.

Second, this is the problem with inappropriate use of SWAT teams:

I don't see how that map supports your argument here at all. Your argument was, and correct me if I'm wrong, that SWAT is the result of the chiefs playing soldier when a regular police operation should have been used. Your map offers no comparison between those two options. Some of the items marked on the map are examples of police actions taken that in retrospect shouldn't have been taken at all (grey and orange). The map and link to Cato are presented as an answer to a question I asked, but it doesn't address it at all.

I bet the fact that he is related to many local Democratic political figures also had nothing to do with him being offered immunity.

vpb: Seriously though, TFA actually says "In reality he didn't tip anybody off to anything but because he engaged in communications, there were inferences that existed," said Edwards' attorney, Mike Dutko. "Even the most staunch critics would have to acknowledge there's nothing he did to compromise any investigation because the guy surrendered himself."

So, it looks like they don't have grounds for criminal charges, but they do have enough to fire him.

Yet if he had been a civilian who had texted the tip, they would have had more than sufficient grounds for criminal charges, whether or not any officers were put at risk.

His penalty shouldn't be the same as a member of the general public. He should get worse, because he's trained and trusted to know better.

Babwa Wawa: The big deal is that the use of paramilitary force by law enforcement is risky (especially to innocents). You use it only when other circumstances with markedly reduced risk cannot be contrived.

The map and link didn't show that. It showed no comparison between similar circumstances without swat and the results, nor did it show the percentage within swat operations in which problems arose.

Babwa Wawa: If they thought he was dangerous, they wouldn't have him as a confidential informant

You should be a police officer. Nobody is dangerous and you would be so awesome you'd never need backup.