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2012-06-27 08:21:47 AM
Don't look up four headlines now, subby.
 
2012-06-27 09:15:31 AM
Remember when 0bama has higher poll numbers but is within the margin of error, he is winning.
When he has lower poll numbers but is within the margin of error then it is a tie.

Same thing with the idea of momentum.

that is how the LSM rolls.
 
2012-06-27 09:16:44 AM
Subtard seems daftly unaware of cause and effect. Unless everyone is republican because then facts don't matter.
 
2012-06-27 09:25:47 AM
The fartstream FSM media is at it again.

Editorializing in an editorial...I've never heard of such a thing.
 
2012-06-27 09:27:57 AM
"I have no polling evidence to support this conclusion"

And I have no reason to take you seriously.
 
2012-06-27 09:40:19 AM
I find the honesty about total lack of integrity refreshing. Puts the writer slightly over retarded in terms of comprehension skills but slightly lower than retarded for lack of morals.
 
2012-06-27 09:54:21 AM

"God, I can't believe Obama's poll numbers are improving despite the fact that I thought he was having a bad month" -everybody in media

- Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) June 27, 2012

WSJ covering its own poll that shows Obama +8 in battleground states = "Obama Clings to a Narrow Lead" (paywall).

Quinnipiac: FL Obama +4, OH Obama +9, PA Obama +6 = Politico: "Swing states inch towards Obama"

SCOTUS HCR Ruling: Mark Halperin on MSNBC: Obama loses either way

More Mark Halperin: "After the President's rough stretch, the snapshot polling is in and Chicago has got to be pretty happy."

Or maybe it wasn't a rough stretch?

The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.

 
2012-06-27 10:02:32 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Remember when 0bama has higher poll numbers but is within the margin of error, he is winning.
When he has lower poll numbers but is within the margin of error then it is a tie.

Same thing with the idea of momentum.

that is how the LSM rolls.


who on Fark has ever claimed Obama was winning when a poll was within the margin of error?

13%, 9%, 6% are leads outside the margin of errors. If you had a single poll where Romney lead by more than the margin of error, you wouldn't be so butthurt.
 
2012-06-27 10:16:18 AM

mrshowrules: If you had a single poll where Romney lead by more than the margin of error, you wouldn't be so butthurt.


Hey, stop being negative about tenpound's ability to be butthurt! I bet he can be butthurt not matter what the numbers were!
 
2012-06-27 12:41:41 PM
Subby, clearly these gentlemen watch a lot of cable news and read all the important editorial columns, I'd show some more respect. The beltway is serious business.
 
2012-06-27 12:43:48 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: SCOTUS HCR Ruling: Mark Halperin on MSNBC: Obama loses either way

More Mark Halperin: "After the President's rough stretch, the snapshot polling is in and Chicago has got to be pretty happy."


Because Mark Halperin is an moran. He's a less refined George Will, a not-blowhardy Jonah Goldberg, a better spinmeister than Bill Kristol - he's like the Lawrence O'Donnell of the right. No one's really heard of him (outside "people in the know"), yet he somehow keeps finding work.

// but O'Donnell was a Congressional staffer, so he at least has some wisdom of experience
// Halperin's just a cheerleader
 
2012-06-27 12:46:03 PM
 
2012-06-27 12:46:28 PM

sigdiamond2000: The fartstream FSM media is at it again.

Editorializing in an editorial...I've never heard of such a thing.


Fartstream....WIN
 
2012-06-27 12:49:26 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: SCOTUS HCR Ruling: Mark Halperin on MSNBC: Obama loses either way.


Fantastic news!

If Mark Halperin says he loses either way, that means he's going to win either way.
 
2012-06-27 12:50:31 PM

Dr Dreidel: he's like the Lawrence O'Donnell of the right.


I don't think of Halperin as a conservative, just really, really wrong. All the time.
 
2012-06-27 12:52:00 PM
It is imperative to the media that the horse race be neck and neck until the final stretch, otherwise people will turn the channel and get back to watching Jersey Shore. Being butthurt about the polls or media narrative this far from the election is ridiculous.
 
2012-06-27 12:52:11 PM

Wendy's Chili: Dr Dreidel: he's like the Lawrence O'Donnell of the right.

I don't think of Halperin as a conservative, just really, really wrong. All the time.


The two are narrowly separated.
 
2012-06-27 01:01:01 PM
All of that is utterly beside the point. You're pissing and moaning and making Baghdad Bob comparisons because of the perceived bias in the piece (which shows a shockingly weak grasp of why Baghdad Bob was so funny in the first place, btw). What you're failing to recognize is that it's an opinion piece with no pretense of being data driven.
 
2012-06-27 01:01:35 PM
You know he is full of shiat when he starts by saying the campaign is in "suspended animation"

The past week hass been a very busy time for both contenders and the SB 1070 ruling has generated:

1) a lot of activity for Obama & supporters

And

2) a seven minute press conference where Romney's spokes-hole could not say one definite thing about Romney's thoughts on the matter
 
2012-06-27 01:02:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Remember when 0bama has higher poll numbers but is within the margin of error, he is winning.
When he has lower poll numbers but is within the margin of error then it is a tie.

Same thing with the idea of momentum.

that is how the LSM rolls.


Or it could just be an opinion since, you know, it's on the opinion page. But you keep up the poutrage.
 
2012-06-27 01:03:01 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.


Agreed. Whatever momentum Obama has, it appears to be there all the time.

www.myqwip.com
(click to vote in new window)

To see the history of this poll, look here.
 
2012-06-27 01:06:51 PM
Was he supposed to conduct a poll for a barely-longer-than-a-Tweet blog post?
 
2012-06-27 01:16:43 PM

AntiNerd: Dusk-You-n-Me: The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.

Agreed. Whatever momentum Obama has, it appears to be there all the time.

[www.myqwip.com image 200x300]
(click to vote in new window)

To see the history of this poll, look here.


an internet poll? seriously??
based on internet polls and popularity we should have President Bieber and VP Kim K.
 
2012-06-27 01:23:32 PM

vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: Remember when 0bama has higher poll numbers but is within the margin of error, he is winning.
When he has lower poll numbers but is within the margin of error then it is a tie.


Baghdad Bob would be proud.

Yes, I'm sure Baghdad Bob was a great crusader for presenting both sides of an issue. Which is called "bias" rather than conspiracy.

If you read TFA, the first item he bases his conclusion on has the word "first" in front of it. The final item has the word "finally" in front of it. The bits in between are the other items.

If you click the "About the insiders blog" link it will tell you that this is a debate between a liberal and a conservative campaign strategist.

If you click on the Authors name, it will tell you that he is a professional campaign strategist who might just be able to draw conclusions about elections from something other than a poll.


bigbaddie.com

It's still a conspiracy to tenpounds!
 
2012-06-27 01:29:28 PM

AntiNerd: Dusk-You-n-Me: The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.

Agreed. Whatever momentum Obama has, it appears to be there all the time.

[www.myqwip.com image 200x300]
(click to vote in new window)

To see the history of this poll, look here.


But then why is his approval rating in the 40s? It's supposedly lower than his disapproval rating.

Also, an online poll with not even a thousand respondents is utter tosh.
 
2012-06-27 01:30:08 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: AntiNerd: Dusk-You-n-Me: The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.

Agreed. Whatever momentum Obama has, it appears to be there all the time.

[www.myqwip.com image 200x300]
(click to vote in new window)

To see the history of this poll, look here.

an internet poll? seriously??
based on internet polls and popularity we should have President Bieber and VP Kim K.


I voted for The Situation, myself.

:-/
 
2012-06-27 01:50:41 PM

xanadian: AntiNerd: Dusk-You-n-Me: The conservative media is trying to make this a horse race. It is not.

Agreed. Whatever momentum Obama has, it appears to be there all the time.

[www.myqwip.com image 200x300]
(click to vote in new window)

To see the history of this poll, look here.

But then why is his approval rating in the 40s? It's supposedly lower than his disapproval rating.

Also, an online poll with not even a thousand respondents is utter tosh.


It shows you what actual fark users think.

Not as easily alted as fark itself.
 
2012-06-27 02:23:02 PM
Yeah, there's been very little real movement in the polls. Right now Obama has a "cap" of about 48%. On the other hand, Romney's not pulling any more than that either.

If you go by the hard numbers, Obama is still the favorite to win, no question about that. But if you go by the trends and look at what's influencing those numbers, Obama's in a very vulnerable position for an incumbent President. But Romney's not exactly setting the world afire now, and his wishy-washy statements on immigration don't help him.

My feeling is that Obama's support in the polls isn't gonig to rise much above 48% ever in this race. The people who are going to support him in November support him now, and the people who are on the fence now after nearly four years in office aren't going to suddenly decide to support him now. That gives Romney an opening, but he's going to have to do better than he did this last two weeks to exploit it.
 
2012-06-27 02:32:47 PM

Riothamus: It shows you what actual fark users think.


Except the users who realized what a pile of pointless, masturbatory shiat all of his posts are and ignored them.
 
2012-06-27 03:22:50 PM

xanadian: Also, an online poll with not even a thousand respondents is utter tosh.


The only internet exposure that poll has had is when I have periodically posted it in politics-tab Fark threads. So that is the selected set of voters. Also the fact that it has nearly 900 votes with that little exposure is pretty amazing.

What it does point out is that in spite of all the anti-Obama vitriol that shows up here, what that same group of people is willing to click on tells a different story.
 
2012-06-27 03:25:16 PM

thurstonxhowell: Riothamus: It shows you what actual fark users think.

Except the users who realized what a pile of pointless, masturbatory shiat all of his posts are and ignored them.


Looks like you're part of the 20% Butthurt Brigade, then.
 
2012-06-27 03:27:44 PM

hinten: I find the honesty about total lack of integrity refreshing. Puts the writer slightly over retarded in terms of comprehension skills but slightly lower than retarded for lack of morals.


What the hell did he say that would show a lack of integrity?
 
2012-06-27 03:30:16 PM

AntiNerd: xanadian: Also, an online poll with not even a thousand respondents is utter tosh.

The only internet exposure that poll has had is when I have periodically posted it in politics-tab Fark threads. So that is the selected set of voters. Also the fact that it has nearly 900 votes with that little exposure is pretty amazing.

What it does point out is that in spite of all the anti-Obama vitriol that shows up here, what that same group of people is willing to click on tells a different story.


Would it be absurd for me to conclude that the 20% or so super-negative people are from the same 23% that supported Bush up until the end?

I get the feeling that the overwhelming majority of insane anti-Obama sentiment on this tab comes from a few people with an army of alts.
 
2012-06-27 03:39:34 PM
And this is why I don't get Fark.

I submit legit headlines with ACTUAL stories. No greenlight.

This is an OPINION page article that has no supporting evidence - greenlight.

/I know, I know - welcome to fark
///I do want cheese with my whine
////SLASHIES
 
2012-06-27 03:47:05 PM

Alassra: And this is why I don't get Fark.

I submit legit headlines with ACTUAL stories. No greenlight.

This is an OPINION page article that has no supporting evidence - greenlight.

/I know, I know - welcome to fark
///I do want cheese with my whine
////SLASHIES


To be fair when there is an article with polling information the thread is about how you shouldn't pay attention to polls this far out. Then, when there isn't polling information the guy is chastised for having an opinion without polling information. Fark is a bit...off its rocker.
 
2012-06-27 03:55:18 PM
Yay, I love all this "reporting" on the presidential horse race!

F*ck actually discussing any issues.
 
MFL
2012-06-27 03:58:09 PM
WombatControl My feeling is that Obama's support in the polls isn't gonig to rise much above 48% ever in this race. The people who are going to support him in November support him now, and the people who are on the fence now after nearly four years in office aren't going to suddenly decide to support him now

Good analysis. Anyone who thinks the election is a shoe-in when the incumbant is barely ahead and it's only July is kidding themselves. Hell, at this stage in the game he's going to get a bump just on name recognition alone. I like where Romney is positioned right now. He's laying low, letting the election revolve around Obama and watching a shiat ton of cash roll in.

It's going to be fun this fall.
 
2012-06-27 04:00:00 PM

AntiNerd: xanadian: Also, an online poll with not even a thousand respondents is utter tosh.

The only internet exposure that poll has had is when I have periodically posted it in politics-tab Fark threads. So that is the selected set of voters. Also the fact that it has nearly 900 votes with that little exposure is pretty amazing.

What it does point out is that in spite of all the anti-Obama vitriol that shows up here, what that same group of people is willing to click on tells a different story.


That makes more sense in that context.
 
2012-06-27 04:11:05 PM

MFL: He's laying low, letting the election revolve around Obama and watching a shiat ton of cash roll in.


Funny thing about that.

Up until a couple of weeks ago, hardly a day could go by without one talking head or another howling about the "first billion dollar warchest in election history" that Obama was going to use to crush Rmoney and about how gosh-darned unfair it was. And then it was shown that maybe Obama was going to raise considerably less than that, and that Rmoney was in fact out-raising him, and there might just be a billion in it for Rmoney if you include the super-PAC money...

And then all the sudden, Rmoney was a genius, and Obama was an incompetent boob who can't raise enough money to run a credible campaign.

Almost as if the Right thinks that no matter what he does (in this case, raise lots of money, or not raise lots of money) it's always going to be Wrong and Bad.

No matter what it is, no matter what he does.
 
2012-06-27 04:17:21 PM

WombatControl: Yeah, there's been very little real movement in the polls. Right now Obama has a "cap" of about 48%. On the other hand, Romney's not pulling any more than that either.

If you go by the hard numbers, Obama is still the favorite to win, no question about that. But if you go by the trends and look at what's influencing those numbers, Obama's in a very vulnerable position for an incumbent President. But Romney's not exactly setting the world afire now, and his wishy-washy statements on immigration don't help him.

My feeling is that Obama's support in the polls isn't gonig to rise much above 48% ever in this race. The people who are going to support him in November support him now, and the people who are on the fence now after nearly four years in office aren't going to suddenly decide to support him now. That gives Romney an opening, but he's going to have to do better than he did this last two weeks to exploit it.


Wow, that was remarkably reasonable.

I'd just say that there are probably a lot of people who are 'on the fence' now that actually voted for Obama in '08 and unless the economy gets demonstrably worse the next 4 months, they're probably gonna need something to push them into Romney's corner. Unless he changes his game, there's just nothing there to attract former Obama voters that are not supporting him in the polls right now. Unfortunately, the undecideds right now are probably going to vote for the lesser of two evils and Romney is a milquetoat flip-flopper backed by a party beholden to lunatic conspiracy theorists.
 
2012-06-27 04:18:44 PM

MFL: WombatControl My feeling is that Obama's support in the polls isn't gonig to rise much above 48% ever in this race. The people who are going to support him in November support him now, and the people who are on the fence now after nearly four years in office aren't going to suddenly decide to support him now

Good analysis. Anyone who thinks the election is a shoe-in when the incumbant is barely ahead and it's only July is kidding themselves. Hell, at this stage in the game he's going to get a bump just on name recognition alone. I like where Romney is positioned right now. He's laying low, letting the election revolve around Obama and watching a shiat ton of cash roll in.

It's going to be fun this fall.


Romney is laying low?
 
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