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2012-06-27 09:22:13 AM
FTA: He was at the point in his life where he clearly didn't give a damn about propriety; he could speak his mind and clearly enjoyed provocation.

I didn't know he was on Fark, too.
 
2012-06-27 09:24:54 AM
Eh, he was too good for this farked up world.
 
2012-06-27 09:25:17 AM
R.I.P.,Uncle Maurice.
 
2012-06-27 09:30:49 AM
"I saw a tweet just a few minutes ago that said, 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now.'"

Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination? I mean, assassination, you're going after leaders. Individual people. Maybe groups. You're being a violent psycho, but you're going after people who can potentially defend themselves and who are, generally, responsible for bad things (because all leaders tend to be to some). Obviously a bad thing, but limited in scope. Burning books, you're trying to destroy an idea because you cannot tolerate its existence, or are so offended by the creator of it that you don;'t want to simply lash out at that creator but prevent others from even being aware of him and his ideas.
 
2012-06-27 09:34:30 AM
Not surprised - sounds like the kind of thing he would have said at that point in his life. His interview with Colbert prompted me to buy his books and even a video with an early animated version of Where the Wild Things Are, along with The Night Kitchen (bizarre video - my son loves it), and the songs from Really Rosie (Chicken Soup With Rice, etc.). Sendak was a master of the surreal and great at expressing the workings of the unconscious mind. Imagination fodder for my four year old!
 
2012-06-27 09:38:12 AM

Bloody William: "I saw a tweet just a few minutes ago that said, 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now.'"


They wish they had supported him in life so they could make a futile hollow gesture now that he's dead?

Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination? I mean, assassination, you're going after leaders. Individual people. Maybe groups. You're being a violent psycho, but you're going after people who can potentially defend themselves and who are, generally, responsible for bad things (because all leaders tend to be to some). Obviously a bad thing, but limited in scope. Burning books, you're trying to destroy an idea because you cannot tolerate its existence, or are so offended by the creator of it that you don;'t want to simply lash out at that creator but prevent others from even being aware of him and his ideas.

It is strange since assassination actually kills someone and burning books doesn't destroy literature - not in modern times anyway.
 
2012-06-27 09:39:23 AM
If you haven't fantasized about killing a conservative at some point then your humanity has to be questioned. Who among us hasn't secretly fantasized about sitting on John Boehner's tanning bed while turning it up to 10 and gleefully watching him burn alive. Seems pretty normal to me.
 
2012-06-27 09:39:30 AM

Happy Hours: It is strange since assassination actually kills someone and burning books doesn't destroy literature - not in modern times anyway.


I'm talking about the philosophical implications of the action. The idea of it being a "sin" more than a crime. To lash out in that way.
 
2012-06-27 09:42:24 AM

Bloody William: "I saw a tweet just a few minutes ago that said, 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now.'"

Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination? I mean, assassination, you're going after leaders. Individual people. Maybe groups. You're being a violent psycho, but you're going after people who can potentially defend themselves and who are, generally, responsible for bad things (because all leaders tend to be to some). Obviously a bad thing, but limited in scope. Burning books, you're trying to destroy an idea because you cannot tolerate its existence, or are so offended by the creator of it that you don;'t want to simply lash out at that creator but prevent others from even being aware of him and his ideas.


I get what you're saying, I think in a certain sense you're right, though at the same time I think that political assassinations can often be about destroying an idea more than a person too.
 
2012-06-27 09:42:41 AM

Bloody William: Happy Hours: It is strange since assassination actually kills someone and burning books doesn't destroy literature - not in modern times anyway.

I'm talking about the philosophical implications of the action. The idea of it being a "sin" more than a crime. To lash out in that way.


I find this particular type of dichotomy between a sin and a crime to be more strange, really. Shouldn't killing someone be a greater sin as well as a crime?
 
2012-06-27 09:49:07 AM

rynthetyn: I get what you're saying, I think in a certain sense you're right, though at the same time I think that political assassinations can often be about destroying an idea more than a person too.


An assassination is ultimately not just lashing out at a person, but at what put that person into power. In the case of figures who don't hold office but wield popular influence, this comes down to the ideas that made them popular: MLK's assassination is an example. In democracies this extends to people who do hold office, since popularity is what ultimately puts them into power: Abraham Lincoln is an example there.
 
2012-06-27 09:49:08 AM
Yes, I'm sure he was serious when he said that.
 
2012-06-27 09:53:34 AM

Millennium: Bloody William: Happy Hours: It is strange since assassination actually kills someone and burning books doesn't destroy literature - not in modern times anyway.

I'm talking about the philosophical implications of the action. The idea of it being a "sin" more than a crime. To lash out in that way.

I find this particular type of dichotomy between a sin and a crime to be more strange, really. Shouldn't killing someone be a greater sin as well as a crime?


Well, moral versus strictly legal or ethical standards. Something's "wrongness" outside of the context of professionalism or social interaction. Part of my stance has been a creeping misanthropy as I see people fall upward and do horrible things for which they aren't accounted, and then seeing the very people they victimize scream about the most bullshiat things and try to destroy them. It just seems more wrong to try to destroy an idea when it's people who actually do bad things. Ideas exist. They can be poison if you follow them blindly, but their existence just gives us understanding of humanity. I wouldn't want to see Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries burned because, as horrible as they are, they give us understanding about how bad humanity can be.

Part of it is fear. When you burn books, you're saying that the ideas in those books are so dangerous to what you believe and what you teach that you aren't confident in your own message. What you have to say is weaker, is inferior to the books you want to burn, because otherwise you wouldn't be afraid of your message being overcome.
 
2012-06-27 09:54:51 AM
Is there no better example of governmental arrogance and self-servitude than the apoplectic gyrations it undergoes to treat its members as if they were in-expendable? One would think that the the whole line, "OF the people, for the people, and BY the people" was a complete lie.
 
2012-06-27 09:55:01 AM

Millennium: rynthetyn: I get what you're saying, I think in a certain sense you're right, though at the same time I think that political assassinations can often be about destroying an idea more than a person too.

An assassination is ultimately not just lashing out at a person, but at what put that person into power. In the case of figures who don't hold office but wield popular influence, this comes down to the ideas that made them popular: MLK's assassination is an example. In democracies this extends to people who do hold office, since popularity is what ultimately puts them into power: Abraham Lincoln is an example there.


That's very true. I guess my understanding of it is tempered by the cynicism that, if you become a leader, if you reach that point, you've probably stepped on a lot of bodies to do so. As horrible as it sounds, I'd rather see leaders die than armies wage war. So much of what we do is feed egotism and pride with blood.
 
2012-06-27 09:57:24 AM
I don't want Bush and Cheney (and the rest of the people responsible for the Iraq war) to be assassinated. I want them to be tried for war crimes and spend the rest of their lives in jail.
 
2012-06-27 10:03:23 AM
As much as I don't like Bush or Cheney, I did find it a little disturbing when he mentioned wanting their wives to die as well.
 
2012-06-27 10:20:13 AM
I think there's WAY more to that Colbert interview than we got... in the teaser after part one, they show a clip where Sendak says something along the lines of "it's amazing I've gotten to this point in my life without destroying someone."

I get that they were keeping it (somewhat) lighthearted, but damned if I don't want to see all of the footage they recorded.
 
2012-06-27 10:24:09 AM
That's a really horrible thing to say.
 
2012-06-27 10:25:06 AM
Surveyor scope.
 
2012-06-27 10:29:00 AM
Take it outside, no need to damage the white house.
 
2012-06-27 10:31:10 AM

Bloody William: "I saw a tweet just a few minutes ago that said, 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now.'"

Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination? I mean, assassination, you're going after leaders. Individual people. Maybe groups. You're being a violent psycho, but you're going after people who can potentially defend themselves and who are, generally, responsible for bad things (because all leaders tend to be to some). Obviously a bad thing, but limited in scope. Burning books, you're trying to destroy an idea because you cannot tolerate its existence, or are so offended by the creator of it that you don;'t want to simply lash out at that creator but prevent others from even being aware of him and his ideas.


It's strange that the knee jerk reaction of most people on Twitter is to be outraged at every tiny little thing that seems to run counter to their worldview. Usually a Bush supporting Christian. Which is bizarre because in my experience those kinds of people can't hold on to a thought in the hour and a half it takes them to type it out.
 
2012-06-27 10:44:48 AM

Bloody William: "I saw a tweet just a few minutes ago that said, 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now.'"

Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination? I mean, assassination, you're going after leaders. Individual people. Maybe groups. You're being a violent psycho, but you're going after people who can potentially defend themselves and who are, generally, responsible for bad things (because all leaders tend to be to some). Obviously a bad thing, but limited in scope. Burning books, you're trying to destroy an idea because you cannot tolerate its existence, or are so offended by the creator of it that you don;'t want to simply lash out at that creator but prevent others from even being aware of him and his ideas.


I was just reading it as "exceedingly immature" myself, perhaps even "typical of the anti-intellectual party".

i no liek yoo sednik! i bern joo!

Um, Maurice Sendak died some time ago.

den i bern yor buwks, stendak!



Kindergarten 451.
 
2012-06-27 11:01:06 AM

JerseyTim: That's a really horrible thing to say.


The guy had ZERO filter and had a twisted sense of humor. Not sure why anyone would take his statements literally. He just really, really thought Bush and Cheney were tremendous assholes.
 
2012-06-27 11:06:15 AM
I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama. And yes, it would be f*cked up is somebody said something similar about our current POTUS.
 
2012-06-27 11:24:22 AM

The_Sponge: I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama. And yes, it would be f*cked up is somebody said something similar about our current POTUS.


I see no evidence of that in this thread. Indifference,perhaps. But approval? No.
 
2012-06-27 11:25:36 AM

Apos: The_Sponge: I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama. And yes, it would be f*cked up is somebody said something similar about our current POTUS.

I see no evidence of that in this thread. Indifference,perhaps. But approval? No.



TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Eh, he was too good for this farked up world.

 
2012-06-27 11:31:31 AM

Bloody William: Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination?


I would say it differently, but I don't find that strange. I grew up reading a lot, so I have a lot of respect for the printed word.

I can think of a scenario where I might have to take a life. I can't think of any scenario were I would harm a book. Even a really terrible one.
 
2012-06-27 11:32:25 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: I don't want Bush and Cheney (and the rest of the people responsible for the Iraq war) to be assassinated. I want them to be tried for war crimes and spend the rest of their lives in jail.


you are an idiot. drop that shiat and go home, since it isn't ever going to happen since no war crimes were committed by the two.
 
2012-06-27 11:33:03 AM

PanicMan: I can think of a scenario where I might have to take a life. I can't think of any scenario were I would harm a book. Even a really terrible one.



What is said book was an Al Qaeda propaganda piece?
 
2012-06-27 11:39:38 AM

The_Sponge: I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama. And yes, it would be f*cked up is somebody said something similar about our current POTUS.


Yes, talking about taking out a bunch of bad guys and their spouses is not cool. I love Sendak, and I think it was just the idle musings of a very old man who was very disillusioned, but it was not a good thing to say. I do not believe Sendak ever seriously entertained the idea, but it is not good that he spoke publicly of his musing, even if it was about people who were destroying this country.

Sendak was wrong to say it, and the only thing in his defense was that he was a very ill old man who was bitter with the trajectory he saw in this nation and was trying to be outrageous to make the point. This is also the only defense of the Tea Party oldsters who want to renew the tree of liberty with blood. If anyone under seventy says it, it becomes a far worse thing.

On the other hand, the knee-jerk response of 'I wish I'd read and collected Sendak's books as a kid so I could burn them now,' is just stupid. Musing about killing people is bad. Longing to kill ideas is stupid. The only thing in the book-burner's defense is that he he never read Sendak as a child and that is why he grew up to be such tool.
 
2012-06-27 11:47:32 AM
So, people often get and sometimes entertain fantasies that they know better than to do for real? I would have never known!

Guess you should add him to the CATOPLAGA or whatever it is called.
 
2012-06-27 11:48:04 AM

The_Sponge: I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama.


I love how this hasn't happened in this thread, yet you start talking about it anyway like it has.

In any case, he fantasized about assassinating Bush.

He didn't carry it out, he didn't even so much as make a spoken/written threat.

To be frank, I'd shrug this off no matter who admitted this in an interview and what political figure was the subject of said fantasy. I'm very impartial like that.


So... Thought Police, I guess? Hooray for Thought Police!

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2012-06-27 11:57:20 AM

The_Sponge: Apos: The_Sponge: I love how some of you are applauding this, but would be horrified if a children's author said something similar about Obama. And yes, it would be f*cked up is somebody said something similar about our current POTUS.

I see no evidence of that in this thread. Indifference,perhaps. But approval? No.


TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Eh, he was too good for this farked up world.


If this is your evidence,you'll forgive me if I'm unconvinced.
 
2012-06-27 12:07:30 PM

PanicMan: Bloody William: Is it strange that I find burning books to be a fundamentally greater sin and crime than assassination?

I would say it differently, but I don't find that strange. I grew up reading a lot, so I have a lot of respect for the printed word.

I can think of a scenario where I might have to take a life. I can't think of any scenario were I would harm a book. Even a really terrible one.


When I was little my mom always told us that books were our friends so we needed to take care of them. Though I can't say I wasn't tempted to burn my law school Property textbook.
 
2012-06-27 12:27:47 PM
I heard a Sendak interview on NPR shortly before he died. It was honestly pretty depressing to hear; he sounded like a very sad, bitter, and frightened man.
 
2012-06-27 12:29:09 PM

optional: I heard a Sendak interview on NPR shortly before he died. It was honestly pretty depressing to hear; he sounded like a very sad, bitter, and frightened man.



IMHO George Carlin seemed the same way during his final HBO special. :-(
 
2012-06-27 12:35:14 PM
Why assasinate when you can ruin them and destroy their reputation, thats why more entertaining to watch a politician crash and burn on his own.
 
2012-06-27 12:40:14 PM
I know many a senior citizen that age that would say similar things about Obama and "liberals" in general.

Honestly, once you pass 80 (and you're not in a position of power), you pretty much get a free pass on the crazy crap you say.
 
2012-06-27 12:48:57 PM
his colbert interview was pretty hilarious.
 
2012-06-27 01:35:20 PM

optional: I heard a Sendak interview on NPR shortly before he died. It was honestly pretty depressing to hear; he sounded like a very sad, bitter, and frightened man.


Was this the one where he sort of indicated having nothing to live for once his partner passed?

Because yeah, the guy was so depressed, talking about his dead partner and how all his friends were dead. Not to mention his disgust with American anti-intellectualism and such.
 
2012-06-27 02:37:58 PM

Smelly McUgly: optional: I heard a Sendak interview on NPR shortly before he died. It was honestly pretty depressing to hear; he sounded like a very sad, bitter, and frightened man.

Was this the one where he sort of indicated having nothing to live for once his partner passed?

Because yeah, the guy was so depressed, talking about his dead partner and how all his friends were dead. Not to mention his disgust with American anti-intellectualism and such.


I think so.

I'll admit that the interview left a pretty bad taste in my mouth, but I can't imagine I'd be very happy in his situation either. It was just sad hearing him talk about the importance of love (I think? it's been a while since I heard it), while sounding like he didn't have a shred of it himself.
 
2012-06-27 03:45:19 PM

optional: Smelly McUgly: optional: I heard a Sendak interview on NPR shortly before he died. It was honestly pretty depressing to hear; he sounded like a very sad, bitter, and frightened man.

Was this the one where he sort of indicated having nothing to live for once his partner passed?

Because yeah, the guy was so depressed, talking about his dead partner and how all his friends were dead. Not to mention his disgust with American anti-intellectualism and such.

I think so.

I'll admit that the interview left a pretty bad taste in my mouth, but I can't imagine I'd be very happy in his situation either. It was just sad hearing him talk about the importance of love (I think? it's been a while since I heard it), while sounding like he didn't have a shred of it himself.


I imagine that's how he knew.
 
2012-06-27 03:50:29 PM
I don't look forward to getting old. If you live long enough, everything you love and everyone who loves you dies, your health fails, your brain goes, and one morning you wake up and realize death is far too close.

My only consolation is that at least I'll never be famous enough that people will shove microphones in my face near the end. After I'm dead, nobody will ever release tapes proving how much I disapproved of the 2028 Supreme Court decision that allowed Facebook to run for President.
 
2012-06-27 04:15:58 PM

420_Yo: As much as I don't like Bush or Cheney, I did find it a little disturbing when he mentioned wanting their wives to die as well.


Ain't no hate like dysfunctional Jewish liberal homosexual hate!

/probably can't fit that on a bumper sticker
 
2012-06-27 04:55:50 PM
Maurice Sendak deserves a statue for his honesty and for saying he wanted to do what most pundits have been joking about doing for centuries, as well as how he would do it.

//RIP, Authorman.
 
2012-06-27 05:12:10 PM

The Larch: After I'm dead, nobody will ever release tapes proving how much I disapproved of the 2028 Supreme Court decision that allowed Facebook to run for President.


Oh God, you're one of those MySpace voters
 
2012-06-27 06:00:52 PM

Lsherm: 420_Yo: As much as I don't like Bush or Cheney, I did find it a little disturbing when he mentioned wanting their wives to die as well.

Ain't no hate like dysfunctional Jewish liberal homosexual hate!

/probably can't fit that on a bumper sticker


Yeah, he didn't mention that in the interview I heard, but he sounded so purposelessly angry and bitter that I found it difficult to listen. I seriously hope that I don't get that mad when I grow old, or that I die before I do.
 
2012-06-27 06:31:25 PM
Why do I get the feeling the people who are outraged by this are the same people fantasizing about doing the same thing to Obama.

I don't agree with murder, but I also don't take comments like these seriously from an old man who to my knowledge was never actually violent. It's more about anger than about actual desire.
 
2012-06-27 07:09:31 PM

PillsHere: Why do I get the feeling the people who are outraged by this are the same people fantasizing about doing the same thing to Obama.



Not me, bro.
 
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