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2012-06-27 08:27:39 AM  
Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).
 
2012-06-27 08:32:55 AM  
Cancer got the wrong guy.
 
2012-06-27 08:40:46 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).


This.
 
2012-06-27 09:03:03 AM  
Over in one.
 
2012-06-27 10:10:20 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

This.


and he did state, "it will sell well"
and it did
and people still biatch about it not having a keyboard ...
millions of people will only buy a phone with buttons, whatever
 
2012-06-27 10:31:40 AM  
Well, to be fair, Steve Ballmer is an incompetent boob who's been running Microsoft into the ground for years...
 
2012-06-27 11:18:10 AM  
Almost all of Microsofts profits come from business lines over 20 years old.

/sign of a dying company.
 
2012-06-27 11:22:18 AM  
To be fair, the Zune was a way better mp3 player than the ipod. They just did a horrible job marketing it. Same deal with Windows phone 7.
 
2012-06-27 11:25:07 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: To be fair, the Zune was a way better mp3 player than the ipod. They just did a horrible job marketing it. Same deal with Windows phone 7.


And he killed off the Courier project weeks before the iPad debuted.
 
2012-06-27 11:29:12 AM  
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers...

We need more fart apps.
 
2012-06-27 11:39:09 AM  
Let's be fair. He's not the first tech guru to laugh off an iDevice...

i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-27 11:42:15 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).


1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.

2) Back in 2007 email/texting was still king. the speeds weren't fast enough for (quality) streaming data. The country was still in "2G"...3G wasn't around and/or just starting out...and apple just released a $600 phone that couldn't do email very well.

/Sure, in hindsight it looks stupid...at the time it was a valid statement, especially coming from the CEO of competing company.
 
2012-06-27 11:50:42 AM  
My Galaxy Nexus laughs off the iPhone too.
 
2012-06-27 11:52:59 AM  

fatalvenom: My Galaxy Nexus laughs off the iPhone too.


Oh no you didn't!

SUMMON THE APPLE BUTHURT PATROL!
 
2012-06-27 11:54:10 AM  

KFBR392: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.


*Citation*?

I don't recall Apple ever selling a current model of iPhone for $300 out of contract.
 
2012-06-27 11:56:49 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).


You can choose to laugh it off in public but if you do you don't wait 5 years to jump in with your me too product.
 
2012-06-27 11:59:47 AM  

KFBR392: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.

2) Back in 2007 email/texting was still king. the speeds weren't fast enough for (quality) streaming data. The country was still in "2G"...3G wasn't around and/or just starting out...and apple just released a $600 phone that couldn't do email very well.

/Sure, in hindsight it looks stupid...at the time it was a valid statement, especially coming from the CEO of competing company.


it takes a certain amount of vision and foresight to be successful like Apple, it takes nothing at all to sit on your ass and only release competing products when the market has been expanded by somebody else
 
2012-06-27 12:00:40 PM  

gingerjet: Almost all of Microsofts profits come from business lines over 20 years old.

/sign of a dying company.


Exxon Mobil would beg to differ. I'm sure they have diversified somewhat, but the vast majority of their profits come from their oil drilling and refining business, which they've been doing for over a century. I'm sure they do SOME alternative energy work, but profit wise it probably accounts for less of the Exxon Mobile profits than the Microsoft Store does for Redmond's profits.
 
2012-06-27 12:04:53 PM  
Well, the first iPhone was overpriced for essentially being an ipod plus a phone. It wasn't open to developers or gain a lot of functionality until later. The current iPhone is a much different product.
 
2012-06-27 12:08:58 PM  
How is anyone who has made so many wrong decisions still CEO of a major corporation?

http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/Ten_Absolutely_Stupid_Quotes_By_Steve _ Ballmer

/lazy
 
2012-06-27 12:13:51 PM  

KFBR392: Had the iphone been selling like crazy


FTFY
 
2012-06-27 12:17:08 PM  

Mad_Radhu: gingerjet: Almost all of Microsofts profits come from business lines over 20 years old.

/sign of a dying company.

Exxon Mobil would beg to differ. I'm sure they have diversified somewhat, but the vast majority of their profits come from their oil drilling and refining business, which they've been doing for over a century. I'm sure they do SOME alternative energy work, but profit wise it probably accounts for less of the Exxon Mobile profits than the Microsoft Store does for Redmond's profits.


Your analogy needs some tweaking.

When the move to alternative energy becomes serious, either Exxon will innovate and branch out into those fields, or suffer. Companies like Exxon are not required to continually innovate anything other then the processes for acquiring more oil--that means both the tech to extract oil and the business of acquiring access to new oil fields, whether it be in foreign countries or hard to reach deposits. So lets turn this around a bit and think it through:

The analogy would be more apt if Standard Oil, Exxon's predecessor, had never attempted to do anything other then extract oil out of just fields in Texas. Instead, they sought out business in China and they opened up new fields in the Middle East. For a more recent analogy, it would be like Exxon ignoring the potential of oil deposits deep underwater, or ignoring the potential of oil shale and fracking.

Microsoft is the equivalent of an oil company that looked around and decided that Texas and California are good enough for them, and that they don't need to expand to foreign countries, or look at underwater drilling.

Worse, Microsoft is more the equivalent of an oil company that saw how successful their competitors have been in these areas, and then they decide to do the same thing, only a few years too late and all the potential has been taken away by their competitors, who now control the deepwater drilling or fracking or mid east contracts/fields, etc.

Microsoft either needs to figure out what the next big thing is going to be and work on that, or make peace with their current place in the market and work to maintain that. The only thing I can think of that they've had success in against already established competitors is the XBox.
 
2012-06-27 12:25:43 PM  

markie_farkie: Cancer got the wrong guy.


nope i think it hit pretty well.
 
2012-06-27 12:25:44 PM  

gingerjet: Almost all of Microsofts profits come from business lines over 20 years old.

/sign of a dying company.


But they're solid businesses with solid, medium-to-long term incomes. A bank running on Windows isn't going to easily switch to Linux. There's a massive amount of investment in the platform.

A lot of Apple's success was making products that were in many ways, superior to the rest. And a lot of the insane attention to detail came from Jobs. Does Tim Cook have that? We don't know, but if he doesn't, Apple are just another cellphone maker. And unlike Microsoft, that's not particularly sticky. Sure, there's some cost to replacing apps, but it's not much for most people, maybe $50.

And it's also worth considering that there is a constantly diminishing return with technological improvement, where there's not much value in buying state of the art, and when you reach that point the battle becomes less about innovation and more about value, and that's not a place that Apple plays well. The iPod Nano costs £100, compared to £30 for a Sansa Clip.

I'm not saying MS aren't doomed in the long term, but I wouldn't bet on Apple outlasting them.
 
2012-06-27 12:29:00 PM  

Mad_Radhu: gingerjet: Almost all of Microsofts profits come from business lines over 20 years old.

/sign of a dying company.

Exxon Mobil would beg to differ. I'm sure they have diversified somewhat, but the vast majority of their profits come from their oil drilling and refining business, which they've been doing for over a century. I'm sure they do SOME alternative energy work, but profit wise it probably accounts for less of the Exxon Mobile profits than the Microsoft Store does for Redmond's profits.


The world's infrastructure is built in to run on oil...hardware that cannot be easily or cheaply adjusted overnight. Cars, trains, planes etc...oil oil oil. Software (MS products) can be replace overnight with little cost. Your analogy is fail
 
2012-06-27 12:40:06 PM  

farkeruk: But they're solid businesses with solid, medium-to-long term incomes. A bank running on Windows isn't going to easily switch to Linux. There's a massive amount of investment in the platform.


I have to agree. I'm even seeing a shift from Linux to Windows servers, despite being warned of increased maintenance costs and no benefit.

I suspect it's part "devil-you-know" and partly because Windows Server Administrators are dumb enough to work for peanuts, which must offset the licensing significantly.
 
2012-06-27 12:41:58 PM  
::jumping around, sweating like a maniac::

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2012-06-27 01:11:04 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: KFBR392: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.


*Citation*?

I don't recall Apple ever selling a current model of iPhone for $300 out of contract.


Steve Jobs
 
2012-06-27 01:28:38 PM  

Faddy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: KFBR392: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.


*Citation*?

I don't recall Apple ever selling a current model of iPhone for $300 out of contract.

Steve Jobs


$600 to $400 is not cut in half
 
2012-06-27 01:37:02 PM  

Mr.Tangent: fatalvenom: My Galaxy Nexus laughs off the iPhone too.

Oh no you didn't!

SUMMON THE APPLE BUTHURT PATROL!


Why? I don't give a damn what phone you use. The only phone butthurt I see around these parts are Android owners ragging on iPhone users.

Like the guy you're responding to.
 
2012-06-27 01:39:24 PM  
History proved him wrong and nothing mitigates his foolishness. Don't open yourself to ridicule by defending him. You can't save him, and if you stand with him you can't save yourself. May God have mercy on us all.
 
2012-06-27 01:53:54 PM  
Hey now, he just paid 1.2 billion dollars to purchase yet another failing social network.

Previously, he paid 8.6 billion dollars to purchase Skype despite the fact that Microsoft's Windows Live Messenger already offered a voice chat and video chat.

The man's a genius!
 
2012-06-27 01:55:19 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Faddy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: KFBR392: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.
What was he supposed to do? Say "Holy sh*t! There's no way we can compete with this! I can't... I... Microsoft is throwing in the towel, it's just... it's too much..." (bursts into tears).

1. Don't forget that within like 3 months Apple cut the price in half...It's not like they did that out of the goodness of their heart. Had iphone been selling like crazy at $500-$600 they would have left the price at $600.


*Citation*?

I don't recall Apple ever selling a current model of iPhone for $300 out of contract.

Steve Jobs

$600 to $400 is not cut in half


Those are on contract prices, I don't even know when they started selling them off contract.

Anyway here is a upfront cost history of the iPhone on a two year contract. Link
 
2012-06-27 01:58:56 PM  

asmodeus224: Software (MS products) can be replace overnight with little cost. Your analogy is fail


True. That's why no-one ever runs legacy software.
 
2012-06-27 02:02:29 PM  
Everyone's missing the point here.

The fact that Ballmer publicly poo-poo'd the iPhone is expected.

More importantly:

He didn't just dismiss the phone itself, but as time went on, completely ignored the implications of what a handheld desktop replacement computing device could have had on his company's future.

The first iPhone was essentially all the power and graphics capability of a PC only 5 years before it. It was connected. It had location awareness, motion sensors, and a whole host of other features that not only would allow access to data, but allow people to use it in completely new ways.

Jobs understood that over time, people would be replacing PCs with iPhones, and had the foresight to build an entire app ecosystem around the thing.
 
2012-06-27 02:14:07 PM  

markie_farkie: Everyone's missing the point here.

The fact that Ballmer publicly poo-poo'd the iPhone is expected.

More importantly:

He didn't just dismiss the phone itself, but as time went on, completely ignored the implications of what a handheld desktop replacement computing device could have had on his company's future.



Nailed it. Publicly dismissing it is one thing. Actually dismissing it is complete lack of Vision. And Purpose.
 
2012-06-27 02:15:20 PM  

markie_farkie: Everyone's missing the point here.

The fact that Ballmer publicly poo-poo'd the iPhone is expected.

More importantly:

He didn't just dismiss the phone itself, but as time went on, completely ignored the implications of what a handheld desktop replacement computing device could have had on his company's future.

The first iPhone was essentially all the power and graphics capability of a PC only 5 years before it. It was connected. It had location awareness, motion sensors, and a whole host of other features that not only would allow access to data, but allow people to use it in completely new ways.

Jobs understood that over time, people would be replacing PCs with iPhones, and had the foresight to build an entire app ecosystem around the thing.


I don't ever see any smart phone replacing computers.
 
2012-06-27 02:18:59 PM  

markie_farkie: He didn't just dismiss the phone itself, but as time went on, completely ignored the implications of what a handheld desktop replacement computing device could have had on his company's future.


Since the iPhone came out, fark poster after fark poster shiat on it, with slightly decreasing levels of dismissal every year. Their new target: the iPad. Not everyone can run the most successful consumer electronics company in the world. If reading things on the internet proves anything, it's that almost no one can.

There are still people calling the iPad "useless" in 2012!
 
2012-06-27 02:20:54 PM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I don't ever see any smart phone replacing computers.


In ten years, people will wonder why anyone ever put up with desktop computers. If you think about it, they are pretty ridiculous. Like a sewing machine, but for information!
 
2012-06-27 02:20:57 PM  

Jackpot777: Let's be fair. He's not the first tech guru to laugh off an iDevice...

[i301.photobucket.com image 640x512]


Hell, i'm 37, and reasonably engrained in techie products, and i have no clue what a Nomad is (or was). Doesn't sound even the slightest bit familiar.
 
2012-06-27 02:22:00 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't ever see any smart phone replacing computers.


... for you.

It's an idea that is being heavily discussed and trended in the industry and groups like Gartner. The idea, right now, is a phone or mobile device would act as an intermediary for hosted services like virtual desktops. You carry your phone with you all day, go to the home or office, dock it to inputs and displays, and use it as a a full fledged desktop.

We have already seen inklings of this in devices like the Asus Transformer series. It isn't poised to take over now or soon, but if you are industry and dismissing this idea you are doing yourself a tremendous disservice.
 
2012-06-27 02:24:45 PM  

KFBR392: /Sure, in hindsight it looks stupid...at the time it was a valid statement, especially coming from the CEO of competing company.


No, it was still a stupid statement. By the time Apple introduced the iPhone, their fortunes has changed enough to show that price wasn't an obstacle for them. Attacking it on price was the equivalent of the old "no one needs more than 640k or memory". Jobs was always careful that his criticisms didn't come back to bite him in the ass. Balmer went for the cheap and obvious shot. MS also fails to recognize the value of trendiness and the "gotta have it" attitude Apple products inspire, but that's the attitude a company that thinks more in terms of "big business" would have. iPhone purchases said "oh, cool!" and bought it. They didn't perform a cost/benefit analysis.

In all seriousness, it was a crowded market with an entrenched leader, and a radical new design could have blown up in Apple's face.
 
2012-06-27 02:27:09 PM  

T.rex: Jackpot777: Let's be fair. He's not the first tech guru to laugh off an iDevice...

[i301.photobucket.com image 640x512]

Hell, i'm 37, and reasonably engrained in techie products, and i have no clue what a Nomad is (or was). Doesn't sound even the slightest bit familiar.


I have a Nomad. It still works too, but my phone has replaced my mp3 player many years ago.
 
2012-06-27 02:36:56 PM  

Great_Milenko: In all seriousness, it was a crowded market with an entrenched leader, and a radical new design could have blown up in Apple's face.


No one ever went broke making fun of Apple's failures until very recently. I'm old enough to remember the Newton MessagePad, Cyberdog, Phone Net, OS8, Copeland, etc, etc. It was probably a safe bet at the time to disregard their phone, especially since MS had failed to deliver one.

But I knew better than to voice my concerns out loud. Too bad Balmer didn't do the same thing.
 
2012-06-27 02:45:54 PM  

BullBearMS: Hey now, he just paid 1.2 billion dollars to purchase yet another failing social network.

Previously, he paid 8.6 billion dollars to purchase Skype despite the fact that Microsoft's Windows Live Messenger already offered a voice chat and video chat.

The man's a genius!


Is there a Windows Live Messenger app on both iOS and Android?

Sounds like you don't know anything about business.
 
2012-06-27 02:48:09 PM  

markie_farkie: Everyone's missing the point here.

The fact that Ballmer publicly poo-poo'd the iPhone is expected.

More importantly:

He didn't just dismiss the phone itself, but as time went on, completely ignored the implications of what a handheld desktop replacement computing device could have had on his company's future.

The first iPhone was essentially all the power and graphics capability of a PC only 5 years before it. It was connected. It had location awareness, motion sensors, and a whole host of other features that not only would allow access to data, but allow people to use it in completely new ways.

Jobs understood that over time, people would be replacing PCs with iPhones, and had the foresight to build an entire app ecosystem around the thing.


Typical Apple user reinventing history. The original iPhone was a 2G phone. It wasn't "connected" it wasn't a "desktop replacement" and "apps" weren't a big deal.
 
2012-06-27 02:52:41 PM  

Great_Milenko: MS also fails to recognize the value of trendiness and the "gotta have it" attitude Apple products inspire, but that's the attitude a company that thinks more in terms of "big business" would have. iPhone purchases said "oh, cool!" and bought it. They didn't perform a cost/benefit analysis.

In all seriousness, it was a crowded market with an entrenched leader, and a radical new design could have blown up in Apple's face.


If Apple sold the Zune and Windows, the mindless masses of Apple users would be saying how much better Zune and Windows is than iOS.

Microsoft didn't fail to recognize it, they simply are an IT company while Apple is a marketing company. I can call my neighbor's dog all I want, but the dog will still listen to my neighbor instead of me.
 
2012-06-27 02:58:47 PM  

madgonad: T.rex: Jackpot777: Let's be fair. He's not the first tech guru to laugh off an iDevice...

[i301.photobucket.com image 640x512]

Hell, i'm 37, and reasonably engrained in techie products, and i have no clue what a Nomad is (or was). Doesn't sound even the slightest bit familiar.

I have a Nomad. It still works too, but my phone has replaced my mp3 player many years ago.


I have an RCA Lyric that still works. Onboard memory was enough for 8 crappy low mp3 songs, but it had a slot for a sd card.
 
2012-06-27 03:06:28 PM  

Bullseyed: Typical Apple user reinventing history. The original iPhone was a 2G phone. It wasn't "connected" it wasn't a "desktop replacement" and "apps" weren't a big deal.


You missed the point of my post, too. I pointed out that over time, the iPhone has become more of a desktop replacement for many things.

The original iPhone, yes, was 2G but it was STILL connected in ways that most other competitors of that era weren't. You could surf real websites on it, not those shiatty WAP pages.

The app store only came later on because the platform was completely new, and developers had to get hands-on time to create apps.

Ballmer has completely blown it on the entire vision department. It'll be 10 years before they recover from his short-sightedness, if at all.
 
2012-06-27 04:23:34 PM  
Five hundred dollars fully subsidized with a plan! I said that is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine ....

That's not too far from the truth... except he didn't take into account the consumer market...
As good as the iPhone keyboard is, it's still no match for a physical one...
 
2012-06-27 04:29:46 PM  

mccallcl: Abe Vigoda's Ghost:
I don't ever see any smart phone replacing computers.

In ten years, people will wonder why anyone ever put up with desktop computers. If you think about it, they are pretty ridiculous. Like a sewing machine, but for information!


They won't replace PCs, but they will certainly supplant them.

The iPhone was the first handheld device in the mass market that could take the place of a PC for low-impact
routine tasks like checking email, reading prepared documents, playing media or browsing the web. And for a
large number of people, that's all they ever needed a computer for, and when Apple introduced the iPad that
trend only intensified.

People who actually generate content will still need a PC, but most people are content consumers, and the
current crop of smartphones and tablets are optimized for content consumption.
 
2012-06-27 04:52:14 PM  

asmodeus224: The world's infrastructure is built in to run on oil...hardware that cannot be easily or cheaply adjusted overnight. Cars, trains, planes etc...oil oil oil. Software (MS products) can be replace overnight with little cost. Your analogy is fail


No, the analogy isn't fail. It was a counterexample, not an analogy. It did what it was supposed to do, which was show that the claim to which it was a response was overly broad.
 
2012-06-27 04:57:25 PM  

Great_Milenko: KFBR392: /Sure, in hindsight it looks stupid...at the time it was a valid statement, especially coming from the CEO of competing company.

No, it was still a stupid statement. By the time Apple introduced the iPhone, their fortunes has changed enough to show that price wasn't an obstacle for them.


Do you understand why you're 100% wrong? Price does matter. It always matters...If price didn't matter, they would never have had to cut the price within the first 3 months. They'd still be selling $600 iphones...but they aren't. No one is.

That price cut (and one that quick) signals one of two things:

1) Steve jobs is giant dick-bag that wanted to screw over his most loyal fans but having them pay an extra $200 for the phone...and he was planning to drop the price in 3 months.

or 2) Sales were drying up, and they needed to move some product...
 
2012-06-27 04:58:42 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe
Well, that's kind of Ballmer's job.

Steve Ballmer's job is to make Microsoft look like it is being helmed by someone who walks around all day with his head up his ass and has no taste or foresight even for the relatively obvious?
 
2012-06-27 05:41:36 PM  
Ballmer is the only reason Apple exists in its present form today. That coont is blight. MSFT would have been better with a cucumber at the helm.
 
2012-06-27 06:42:30 PM  

Bullseyed: BullBearMS: Hey now, he just paid 1.2 billion dollars to purchase yet another failing social network.

Previously, he paid 8.6 billion dollars to purchase Skype despite the fact that Microsoft's Windows Live Messenger already offered a voice chat and video chat.

The man's a genius!

Is there a Windows Live Messenger app on both iOS and Android?

Sounds like you don't know anything about business.


Because clearly after you have gone through the process of developing your own protocols and writing your own code for VOIP and video chat and then developing the back end server functions to support those functions within your applications, the best possible way to get phone apps developed is to pay 8.6 Billion dollars for a company who does the same things you have already done.

You couldn't possibly hire programers to write phone apps for one penny less than 8.6 Billion dollars!

Don't ever breed.
 
2012-06-27 08:44:37 PM  
You definitely want a fat, sweaty yelling ape in charge of your tech company. How could that possibly go wrong?
 
2012-06-27 11:42:58 PM  

markie_farkie: Bullseyed: Typical Apple user reinventing history. The original iPhone was a 2G phone. It wasn't "connected" it wasn't a "desktop replacement" and "apps" weren't a big deal.

You missed the point of my post, too. I pointed out that over time, the iPhone has become more of a desktop replacement for many things.

The original iPhone, yes, was 2G but it was STILL connected in ways that most other competitors of that era weren't. You could surf real websites on it, not those shiatty WAP pages.

The app store only came later on because the platform was completely new, and developers had to get hands-on time to create apps.

Ballmer has completely blown it on the entire vision department. It'll be 10 years before they recover from his short-sightedness, if at all.


wow, Google bought Android Inc. in 2005 ... what a startling contrast to Ballmer's lack of insight. i wonder how far along the iPhone's development was in 05?
 
2012-06-28 12:35:15 AM  

American Decency Association: wow, Google bought Android Inc. in 2005 ... what a startling contrast to Ballmer's lack of insight. i wonder how far along the iPhone's development was in 05?


"This is a day I've been looking forward to for two-and-a-half years." said at the first iPhone unveiling on Jan 9 2007, so mid 2004. First iPhone sold in June 2007. First commercially available Android phone was the HTC Dream in October 2008. Google's Nexus One came out in 2010.
 
2012-06-28 03:49:41 AM  

Oakenshield:

Nailed it. Publicly dismissing it is one thing. Actually dismissing it is complete lack of Vision. And Purpose.


Which has been repeated time and time again whilst he's been CEO. MP3 players, consumer smartphones and tablets. You can see it happening again with Windows 8 as well, even on Fark I've had people specifically tell me that Windows 8 RT is running their x86 apps. So all hell is about to let loose on that front when consumers start buying the devices.

He is a very bad CEO.
 
2012-06-28 07:10:52 AM  

Vaneshi: You can see it happening again with Windows 8 as well, even on Fark I've had people specifically tell me that Windows 8 RT is running their x86 apps.


I think as long as office works on RT (and the same way it works on x86), it'll all work out as most uneducated consumers expect.

I'm baffled that they don't allow joining RT to a domain - seems they're passing up an opportunity to really appeal to the enterprise. But it would make sense if they just need more time to get that aspect of the operating environment working. I definitely wouldn't significantly delay first shipment for that.
 
2012-06-28 08:58:14 AM  

Babwa Wawa:
I'm baffled that they don't allow joining RT to a domain - seems they're passing up an opportunity to really appeal to the enterprise. But it would make sense if they just need more time to get that aspect of the operating environment working. I definitely wouldn't significantly delay first shipment for that.


Yep. It should be just something Microsoft do on their OS platforms, even if it's buried under 5 menu layers: "Join Domain". I mean... didn't they write the server software as well?
 
2012-06-28 09:41:15 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I'm baffled that they don't allow joining RT to a domain - seems they're passing up an opportunity to really appeal to the enterprise. But it would make sense if they just need more time to get that aspect of the operating environment working. I definitely wouldn't significantly delay first shipment for that.


Saw a ZDnet article on that. MS is wooing business users with the prospect of end users having RT-based devices, and in corporate environments, if the user needs to run some homegrown X86 app, that would be facilitated by some Citrix-like implementation, where the app is hosted on Server 2012 farms and just the screens pass back.

It's thin client all over again.
 
2012-06-28 09:51:46 AM  

Vaneshi: Yep. It should be just something Microsoft do on their OS platforms, even if it's buried under 5 menu layers: "Join Domain". I mean... didn't they write the server software as well?


I'd imagine the domain client code is not trivial, and evidently developing for RT is not just a matter of recompiling on ARM. Not all of Win32 is available. I imagine that they want to do this, they just can't do it in time for a 2012 release.

markie_farkie: Saw a ZDnet article on that. MS is wooing business users with the prospect of end users having RT-based devices, and in corporate environments, if the user needs to run some homegrown X86 app, that would be facilitated by some Citrix-like implementation, where the app is hosted on Server 2012 farms and just the screens pass back.


I have to imagine that that's a band-aid. Hosted desktops are here to stay, for sure, but until you have a domain-enabled tablet, you don't get single sign-on, offline access, etc, etc.
 
2012-06-28 01:13:52 PM  

theurge14: American Decency Association: wow, Google bought Android Inc. in 2005 ... what a startling contrast to Ballmer's lack of insight. i wonder how far along the iPhone's development was in 05?

"This is a day I've been looking forward to for two-and-a-half years." said at the first iPhone unveiling on Jan 9 2007, so mid 2004. First iPhone sold in June 2007. First commercially available Android phone was the HTC Dream in October 2008. Google's Nexus One came out in 2010.


well thank you ... 3 years from inspiration to delivery then.

i wonder if/when RIM realised what they need to do?

why do i care any more. our Exchange will finally be upgraded in a few weeks and i can learn to stop throwing inanimate objects at walls
 
2012-06-28 05:29:21 PM  

SuburbanCowboy: To be fair, the Zune was a way better mp3 player than the ipod. They just did a horrible job marketing it. Same deal with Windows phone 7.


Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-06-29 02:16:02 AM  

Babwa Wawa:
I'd imagine the domain client code is not trivial, and evidently developing for RT is not just a matter of recompiling on ARM. Not all of Win32 is available. I imagine that they want to do this, they just can't do it in time for a 2012 release.


Which takes us right back to: The reason RT exists is?

It can't join domains, it can't run x86 code and on the consumer side of things the iPad and Android tablets have the market pretty much sewn up. It's Zune all over again; 3 - 4 years too late.
 
2012-06-29 08:22:14 AM  

Vaneshi: It can't join domains, it can't run x86 code and on the consumer side of things the iPad and Android tablets have the market pretty much sewn up. It's Zune all over again; 3 - 4 years too late.


See, I disagree there. I have a nice Android tablet. It gets used, but barely. Android tabs are a farking gaming platform. There's no decent productivity software out there for it.

I bought it because I hoped there might be some short trips where I could bring that and leave the laptop home - maybe have something I don't have to take out of my bag for TSA screening. But the sad fact is that it Docs to Go and QuickOffice are junk. Even Touchdown has a terrible UI. So the tab stays home and my kids use it for Cut the Rope, primarily.

Apple realizes this, and iWork is coming along nicely. Rumor has it that MS is developing Office for the iPad. Obviously, WinRT is going to have a version of Office. If it can do complex spreadsheets, I'll pull the trigger. But not for more than $400.

By not taking productivity apps seriously (there's no native ActiveSync client? really?), Google is leaving a serious foothold up for grabs.
 
2012-06-29 08:36:58 AM  

Vaneshi: The reason RT exists is?


Intel just isn't power efficient enough yet to make the sorts of extremely thin, light devices with an all day battery life that people have become accustomed to.

For that, you need CPU's as power efficient as ARM. As usual, Intel is saying that next years CPU version will fix everything.
 
2012-06-29 06:43:33 PM  

Vaneshi: The reason RT exists is?


If the RT Surface Tab has comparable form factor, battery life, instant on/off, etc, like an iPad, but can also run a full version of Microsoft Office (with Word, PowerPoint, etc), and a version of Internet Explorer that can view any website (even the flash ones) and let you very easily save files to a file system for editing/viewing later, and the keyboard cover works well, then even if it can't run x86 code, it'd still be addressing a number of the key productivity shortcomings of the iPad.
 
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