Messin' with Sasquatch.

Vash The Stampede: Bullseyed: Three of the men were undeniably in a fistfight prior to death, based on their autopsies. Were they fighting each other watching the avalanche coming or fighting someone else?


You'll have to forgive me if I'm skeptical of your ability to interpret the autopsy results definitively. I cannot view them on the computer I am currently at so I can't comment on them beyond that.


Bullseyed:If there was an avalanche coming, they probably would have used the door.

They could have, but that doesn't mean they did. In the middle of the night, they wake up in total darkness and think they hear death raining down on them, who can say they didn't panic and just start slashing to get out as fast as they could? I'm not saying it's definitely what happened, but I don't see why it's not a perfectly reasonable explanation.

I didn't interpret anything. The doctors who performed the autopsy wrote that the men had been punching the shiat out of something to the point where they had bruises and skin damage. Additionally a couple of them had skin missing from the outside of their forearms from defending themselves from something.

If not for the fact that there was no huge slash marks, it would make more sense that a bear attacked than an avalanche.

Vash The Stampede: Cymbal: If they got spooked by the sound of an avalanche, fled, then realized the avalanche wasn't heading their way, wouldn't they go back to the tent? Especially when many of them fled without shoes/socks?

I can't recall if this was addressed in the Skeptoid linked earlier in the thread, but if they fled in a panic I doubt they took their lanterns, and once they were 500 meters away or whatever it said in the story, they might not have been able to find their way back in the dark. If the sky was clear and the moon was full that night that's likely not the case, but I don't remember if those details are known or not.

I wish Fark would ban people who don't read the posts. The people who died 500 meters away came back and cut the clothes off the dead people to use for warmth.

Lachwen: Bullseyed: Vash The Stampede: NathanAllen: Still not seeing anyone trying to take on the slashed up tent issue.


I didn't think that was a big part of the mystery. If people were panicking because they thought there was an avalance coming down on them they'd probably get out of the tent as quickly as possible without worrying about if they were ripping it up.

If there was an avalanche coming, they probably would have used the door.

Doubt it. Think about it: you think you hear an avalanche bearing down on you, but can't see out. You know how fast an avalanche can move. Are you going to try to fumble with a tiny zipper pull in a blind panic (while anyone else in the tent with you is ALSO in a blind panic), or are you going to whip out the knife on your belt and cut yourself the fark out of that tent?

They took off their shoes, but still had a knife on their belt?

Also, modern tent does not equal WWII tent. Canvas tents were generally tied or buttoned, not zipped.

If you can hear the avalanche, it is already too late.

If you want to go the avalanche route, it was triggered by a missile blowing up. So they'd be moving at the sound of the explosion, not an avalanche.

Vash The Stampede: NathanAllen: Still not seeing anyone trying to take on the slashed up tent issue.


I didn't think that was a big part of the mystery. If people were panicking because they thought there was an avalance coming down on them they'd probably get out of the tent as quickly as possible without worrying about if they were ripping it up.

If there was an avalanche coming, they probably would have used the door.

Vash The Stampede: Cymbal: Read this and came to the conclusion that it was definitely not an avalanche. I think most likely it was criminals escaped from a nearby Gulag who killed these people:

I don't follow. How does an extra piece of clothing, which cannot even be proven to exist, rule out an avalance?

Call me cynical, but the whole escaped prisoner thing sounds more like an urban legend, and the convienient "disappearing evidence" aspect doesn't really lend the idea a ton of credibility.

Three of the men were undeniably in a fistfight prior to death, based on their autopsies. Were they fighting each other watching the avalanche coming or fighting someone else?

Vash The Stampede: Blues_X


But avalanches bury things.

They and the tents weren't buried, from what I understand.

Hikers disappeared in January. Several bodies weren't found until May, four months later when the snow had most likely melted.The two who were found in February were found near in the woods nearby. It's possible the first two people who left the tent thought there was an avalanche coming and panicked, running into the nearby woods without a lantern. They built a fire to try and stay warm until there was enough light to find their way back to camp. When no avalanche came the others went looking for them, and while they were out searching an actual avalanche occurred, burying them in a different location.

Fail. The clothing from the people dead near the camp was cut off and found with the people dead in the other location. The people near the camp died first, this is a fact.

Chameleon: Or, some people decided to go on a hike that day, and other people stayed behind. The avalanche killed the people who hiked, who weren't found until May presumably after the snow melted. The ones that were left didn't want to leave because they didn't know what had happened to their friends, and died near their intact camp of hypothermia.

You don't need to make up some bizzare sentient avalanche story to explain this stuff, nor do you need to grow your hair out and get a job with the History Channel.

That doesn't make any sense if you read the autopsy reports and other reports. The clothes that were cut off the people adjacent to the site were found with the bodies found far away from the site. It is clear the people at the site died first.


Based on the autopsy reports, it sounds like either a couple of the guys fought each other or fought some unknown person or persons. They had damage to their hands consistent with punching someone or something repeatedly.


Even in the case of avalanche, why are the footprints intact, why are items at the campsite not disturbed and why couldn't the survivors return to the site?

I don't really see how a flimsy canvas tent would have prevented hypothermia but then they suddenly all die when they can't return to it? How did they all fit in that tiny tent anyway?

Why were all the shoes missing, despite each person having brought two sets on the trip? If it is -25 you're not going to take off your shoes, even in the tent.

The girl with her tongue missing had a blood filled stomach. She was probably alive when it got cut off. Now, it could have been cut off by her jaw slamming shut, getting hit by an avalanche. Then should would have bled out essentially in her own mouth. Why her lips were gone then is beyond me. If her tongue was cut while her heart was still beating, why would animals need to eat her lips off to get her tongue? Why didn't they eat the other peoples tongues?



It seems highly unusual, unless there were multiple avalanches in a short time that somehow did minimal damage to things like tents while crushing human bodies into pulp.

Crocodilly_Pontifex: This is actually easily explainable. submitter just beleives everything he reads.

First:

* "What would make them take their clothes off?"
Paradoxical undressing explains that part. It's a symptom of hypothermia. Hypothermia also can make people violent and disoriented, so this explains the wounds, too

*"Why were they orange!!?!?!?
Dead skin left to the elements in snowy terrain becomes leathery and orange-ish very quickly. Think of it like mummification. Completely normal and happens all the time. This is not the same thing as "tanning," you dolt. Ever seen a mummy?

*B-B-But they were radioactive!!
No. Just no. Without knowing the normal background levels. A relative spike as measured from some device doesn't tell you much unless you know the scale of the device, and the normal background dose.

*"But they walked a kilometer away from the campsite!"
Really? Seriously? Perhaps they were killed by some unknown process. Or perhaps they were out hiking when they saw the avalanche, and started running for help? Who knows? This disproves nothing.

*"But they were crushed to death and there was no soft tissue damage!
Well that's bad news for your explosion theory, too, then. Shock waves cause tissue damage as well. More likely they were crushed slowly over time, almost as if someone dumped a great amount of heavy material on top of them, like sand. or... I dunno... SNOW?


I know, I know, goddamn logic. fark me, right?

So what you're saying is that an avalanche knocked out a few of them, spared the rest. Left the campsite in check, as well as footprints. Were the dead found above or below the snow? The ones that were left had no idea what to do with themselves and stayed within a kilometer vicinity dying of hypothermia?

Quite possible but I think there is a better explanation.

I'm not saying it was aliens but...

In before the bird haired Ancient Aliens guy

Ok...ok...enough! It was all my fault. I didn't mean for this charade to go on this long. I was cranky and happened to be in a wild part of Russia. I lost control. I regret everything....except taking that girl's tongue. That was pretty cool.