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(Time)   University of Virginia Board: "President, gtfo." / President: "wtf?" Professors and Students: "bai UVA" / Governor: "how about you gtfo, board" / Board: "lol, jk"   (time.com ) divider line
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2012-06-27 09:12:12 AM  
That headline made my brain hurt.
 
2012-06-27 10:01:21 AM  
idk, my bff UVA?
 
2012-06-27 10:02:30 AM  
Politicia?
 
2012-06-27 10:03:47 AM  
This wasn't about Sullivan; it was about Dragas. Specifically, it was about the anti-academic and borderline-dishonest way in which she led the Board in removing the President.
 
2012-06-27 10:03:51 AM  
Me after attempting to read the headline:

encrypted-tbn2.google.com

Seriously subby, WTF is wrong with you? Aneurysm while typing the headline?
 
2012-06-27 10:08:59 AM  

Wellon Dowd: This wasn't about Sullivan; it was about Dragas. Specifically, it was about the anti-academic and borderline-dishonestBusiness-Like way in which she led the Board in removing the President.


This is what happens when you mix business-style methods and mindsets with education. Actually, what happens is the businessperson(like Dragas) gets what they want because everyone else rolls over for business. This time was the rare exception.
 
2012-06-27 10:10:51 AM  

Masterstuff: Wellon Dowd: This wasn't about Sullivan; it was about Dragas. Specifically, it was about the anti-academic and borderline-dishonestBusiness-Like way in which she led the Board in removing the President.

This is what happens when you mix business-style methods and mindsets with education. Actually, what happens is the businessperson(like Dragas) gets what they want because everyone else rolls over for business. This time was the rare exception.


But EVERYTHING should be run like a business, because efficiency and invisible hands and such.
 
2012-06-27 10:11:47 AM  
WTF is up with the "/" in the headline. fark you.
 
2012-06-27 10:16:47 AM  
I think I've got a book written by subs. Here's an excerpt from Chapter Green:

"Harps with always to underneath the forward!" said turning. "How many camp truth for not wishing to be quieter. It is from good that blow yaks milk for pyramid falsehoods? Do not run from the facts."
 
2012-06-27 10:17:02 AM  

Dogfacedgod: WTF is up with the "/" words in the headline. fark you.


FTFY.
 
2012-06-27 10:18:51 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-27 10:19:11 AM  
Please...

Bobby Vaginal Probe wanted her gone as much as anybody. It was his appointments that started this shiat show.

Schools gotta be run like businesses cause Jesus loved capitalism.
 
2012-06-27 10:20:20 AM  
Should a university campus be run like a business?

Yes and no.
 
2012-06-27 10:21:15 AM  
Thank Christ. Not only is she a great administrator, she's the best thing to ever happen to athletics. I loved Casteen, but he was of the same mold as Darden (though not as extreme). Hell, she went to the club polo team's national championship game. The club-farking-polo team.

HOOS!
 
2012-06-27 10:23:18 AM  
Governor: "how about you gtfo, board"

Yeah, no.

Besides, he was off with all the other stepford hairpieces sucking luxury Koch in SanDiego while all this went down.
 
2012-06-27 10:23:48 AM  
Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?
 
2012-06-27 10:33:02 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Bobby Vaginal Probe wanted her gone as much as anybody. It was his appointments that started this shiat show.


To be fair, Dragas was appointed by Tim Kaine, not Trans Vaginal Utlragovernor.

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?


Because she doesn't do good stuff.

Seriously, that was the level of detail they gave.
 
2012-06-27 10:36:02 AM  
Universities should NOT be treated like for profit businesses.

Christ, this country's sense of enlightened character is going right down the crapper.
 
2012-06-27 10:37:53 AM  

ragekage: Thank Christ. Not only is she a great administrator, she's the best thing to ever happen to athletics. I loved Casteen, but he was of the same mold as Darden (though not as extreme). Hell, she went to the club polo team's national championship game. The club-farking-polo team.

HOOS!


That's because she did time at Michigan. To survive here you need to show an appreciation of high quality athletics. Which of course is why Mr. Rodriguez is now on the other side of the Mississippi.
 
2012-06-27 10:40:02 AM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?


Short answer: She wasn't quick enough.

Long answer: According to NPR she was taking a patient approach to changes to the university and was very inclusive to the students and faculty when it came to the process. The board wanted someone who would implement the changes quick and felt President Sullivan was not that person.
 
2012-06-27 10:44:44 AM  

Masterstuff: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?

Short answer: She wasn't quick enough.

Long answer: According to NPR she was taking a patient approach to changes to the university and was very inclusive to the students and faculty when it came to the process. The board wanted someone who would implement the changes quick and felt President Sullivan was not that person.


tl;dr version: less thinking, more doing
 
2012-06-27 10:48:13 AM  
Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:

1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)

2. Dragas then does not tell Sullivan that she is not doing something enough. Repeatedly.

3. Dragas receives a detailed memo from Sullivan describing a strategic approach to address complex and inter-related problems at UVa, based on months of work consulting with the "Provost, the Chief Operating Officer, deans, and other key personnel". Dragas then does not share this memo with the board.

4. Dragas then colludes with Kington and non-BOV member Kiernan to conduct a series of clandestine meetings with individual Visitors to garner their support to force Sullivan out for not doing whatever it was she wasn't telling Sullivan she wasn't doing. This takes months, over which time Dragas continues to not tell Sullivan that anything is amiss.

5. Dragas and Kington carefully avoid talking with three Board members who are widely believed to have been enthusiastic Sullivan supporters, and therefore unlikely to go along with such a subversive action.

6. Dragas lies to the Governor, saying that she has the BOV's unanimous support for ousting Sullivan.

7. Dragas and Kington begin composing the announcement of Sullivan's resignation a week before arranging a surprise, informal visit to Sullivan late on a Friday afternoon to inform her they have the votes to force her out. Stunned, Sullivan agrees to resign to save the University embarrassment.

8. Dragas then calls an emergency meeting for the following Sunday morning for an event she knew was going to occur at least a week in advance with complete disregard for the notice requirements as stipulated in the BOV Manual

SECTION 2.34 NOTICE OF MEETINGS-Due notice in writing of the Annual Meeting and all regular meetings and of any changes in the dates, times, or places of a regular meeting shall be given by the Secretary of the Board of Visitors. Such written notice shall be sent at least ten days prior to the meeting. Written notice of all special meetings shall be sent by the Secretary at least five days in advance of the meeting. (Emphasis mine)

So, either Dragas knew this and chose to disregard it, or she was acting in ignorance of the Manual. Coincidentally, the three prominent Sullivan supporters are unable to attend.

9. In fact, only three board members are able to attend to accept Sullivan's resignation, which is far below the requisite 2/3 needed to do so as stipulated by the BOV's Manual.

SECTION 4.21 ELECTION-The President shall be elected by the Board of Visitors and may be removed only by assent of two-thirds of the whole number of Visitors.

Now, while she may have garnered such assent informally, Dragas never convened a meeting of the board, which Sullivan would have been expected and required to attend, again as stipulated in the Section 4.21 of the BOV Manual.

The President shall attend all meetings of the Board and shall have notice of and the privilege of attending all meetings of its committees.

So, again, either Dragas deliberately disregarded these rules or was completely ignorant of them.

10. Dragas' announcement of Sullivan's resignation sets off a firestorm of protest, resulting in several actions unprecedented in UVa's history, including a vote of no confidence by the Faculty Senate, Kiernan's resignation from the Darden Board, Kington's resignation from the BOV, and massive demonstrations by students, faculty, staff, and alumni.

11. Dragas hires a PR firm at $750 an hour to control the fallout, which fails miserably and only serves to make her case even more transparently insupportable. (Can we FOIA the final bill?)

12. The end result of Dragas' subversive, illegal and/or incompetent actions is to force the board to meet in special session and reverse themselves publically while streaming live with thousands and thousands of people watching for the first time in UVa history, reinstating Sullivan.

13. In conclusion, the BOV votes unanimously to express its confidence in Dragas.

Now I know why I am angry. In reinstating Sullivan's presidency, the BOV redressed a grievous error, but instead of following up the first motion with a second one calling for Dragas' resignation, they let her get away with it. By expressing unanimous confidence in Rector Dragas, they utterly failed to hold accountable the chief agent responsible for that error, and made themselves accessories in the process.

So, either the confidence vote was a cowardly attempt to present the world with a veneer of integrity, or they really, truly don't understand that what Dragas did was wrong.

SECTION 2.4 POWERS AND DUTIES-The powers and duties conferred upon the Board are to be exercised for the purpose of carrying into effect the Statement of Institutional Purpose contained in Chapter 1.
The major powers and duties are
1 the preservation of the ideals and traditions of the University and particularly encouragement of the maintenance of the Honor System by the student body(...)

The STATEMENT OF INSTITUTIONAL PURPOSE reads:

The central purpose of the University of Virginia is to enrich the mind by stimulating and sustaining a spirit of free inquiry directed to understanding the nature of the universe and the role of mankind in it. Activities designed to quicken, discipline, and enlarge the intellectual and creative capacities, as well as the aesthetic and ethical awareness, of the members of the University and to record, preserve, and disseminate the results of intellectual discovery and creative endeavor serve this purpose. In fulfilling it, the University places the highest priority on achieving eminence as a center of higher learning.

While Dragas' actions were reprehensible, the Board's constitute a massive failure of governance and responsibility.

/end wall of text.
 
2012-06-27 10:49:16 AM  
Time to end physical universities and push the whole thing online except for proctored final exams and some labs.

/should have happened 12 years ago when broadband became affordable
 
2012-06-27 10:55:58 AM  

alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:

1. *snip wall of text* ...


Someone reads "The Hook"!
 
2012-06-27 10:56:28 AM  

alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:

1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)

2. Dragas then does not tell Sullivan that she is not doing something enough. Repeatedly.

3. Dragas receives a detailed memo from Sullivan describing a strategic approach to address complex and inter-related problems at UVa, based on months of work consulting with the "Provost, the Chief Operating Officer, deans, and other key personnel". Dragas then does not share this memo with the board.

4. Dragas then colludes with Kington and non-BOV member Kiernan to conduct a series of clandestine meetings with individual Visitors to garner their support to force Sullivan out for not doing whatever it was she wasn't telling Sullivan she wasn't doing. This takes months, over which time Dragas continues to not tell Sullivan that anything is amiss.

5. Dragas and Kington carefully avoid talking with three Board members who are widely believed to have been enthusiastic Sullivan supporters, and therefore unlikely to go along with such a subversive action.

6. Dragas lies to the Governor, saying that she has the BOV's unanimous support for ousting Sullivan.

7. Dragas and Kington begin composing the announcement of Sullivan's resignation a week before arranging a surprise, informal visit to Sullivan late on a Friday afternoon to inform her they have the votes to force her out. Stunned, Sullivan agrees to resign to save the University embarrassment.

8. Dragas then calls an emergency meeting for the following Sunday morning for an event she knew was going to occur at least a week in advance with complete disregard for the notice requirements as stipulated in the BOV Manual

SECTION 2.34 NOTICE OF MEETINGS-Du ...


From what you describe, Dragas (a villainous name if I ever heard one) was a grand-master asshole from beginning to end. Seems like that makes Dragas's calls (FTFA) for calm, unity, and support even more laughable and/or infuriating.
 
2012-06-27 11:00:45 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 600x324]


Indeed.
 
2012-06-27 11:01:59 AM  

ragekage: alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:

1. *snip wall of text* ...

Someone reads "The Hook"!


Nope, cvillenews.com. - waldo's site.
 
2012-06-27 11:07:03 AM  

alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:


Thanks for this info; I read a little bit of it from a Chronicle article but it focused more on what the role of a 21st century university is/should be.

Also, subby: 10/10 headline, would attempt to read again!
 
2012-06-27 11:15:41 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 600x324]



+1 Internets
 
2012-06-27 11:22:19 AM  

Masterstuff: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?

Short answer: She wasn't quick enough.

Long answer: According to NPR she was taking a patient approach to changes to the university and was very inclusive to the students and faculty when it came to the process. The board wanted someone who would implement the changes quick and felt President Sullivan was not that person.


I fail to see how that's not a legitimate excuse to get a new leader?
 
2012-06-27 11:23:12 AM  

alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:


Thanks. Damn, Dragas sounds like pure villainy.
 
2012-06-27 11:24:02 AM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?


I must have read a dozen news stories trying to figure that part out. None of them had anything besides some non-speak about "not moving fast enough in the current economy" but to what and for what never get mentioned.

Seriously, this sounds like a personal vendetta of some kind.
 
2012-06-27 11:26:17 AM  

alizeran: Because the national media, including NPR, have largely reported a very fuzzy image of what went on, i will copypasta this excellent summary:



Finally. Thanks.
 
2012-06-27 11:30:50 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Please...

Bobby Vaginal Probe wanted her gone as much as anybody. It was his appointments that started this shiat show.

Schools gotta be run like businesses cause Jesus loved capitalism.


Damn straight. And the "liberal" media in Virginia is giving McDonnell yet another pass on this one. The guy who headed the push to remove Sullivan claimed that he did so with McDonnell's blessing and/or encouragement. I would be unsurprised if someone investigated this line and discovered that McDonnell went after UVA because they embarrassed him and Cucinelli in court dozens of times.
 
2012-06-27 11:34:12 AM  

Paul Baumer: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?

I must have read a dozen news stories trying to figure that part out. None of them had anything besides some non-speak about "not moving fast enough in the current economy" but to what and for what never get mentioned.

Seriously, this sounds like a personal vendetta of some kind.


My unsubstantiated guess?

The Darden (business school) dude, Kiernan, is a former exec at Goldman Sachs. Goldman just bought / created Education Management Corp, which has pooled a bunch of online "universities". Online Univerities are being investigated by the DOJ for financial aid fraud. EDM needs a legit university to be a front brand. Sullivan wont make this happen at Wall St speeds so well... you know the rest.
 
2012-06-27 11:36:18 AM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?


"Philosophical differences". Which has never been coherently elaborated.

With the apparent help of a PR firm, Ms. Dragas released a statement last week; unfortunately, it appears to have some conflicts with previously released memos and other facts. In particular, complaining a "concrete, strategic plan" had not been done; however, the week before the Washington Post had published a memo from Sullivan outlining a strategic plan, and noting at hiring the BOV had instructed her not to do one.

Which means someone is lying massively, or she was fired by the BOV for following the idiot instructions of the BOV.

Masterstuff: Short answer: She wasn't quick enough.


Or perhaps, she doesn't work miracles fast enough.

In particular, rumor claims (and the Dragas memo supports) that they're not thrilled with her ability to raise money in the current economy. There's also some unhappiness that she hasn't pushed full-forward on "on-line learning"... with the BOV ignoring that there are several schools within the U that are doing so on small scale, and finding what problems crop up as you scale up.

alizeran: 10. Dragas' announcement of Sullivan's resignation sets off a firestorm of protest, resulting in several actions unprecedented in UVa's history, including a vote of no confidence by the Faculty Senate, Kiernan's resignation from the Darden Board, Kington's resignation from the BOV, and massive demonstrations by students, faculty, staff, and alumni.


There was also one additional BOV meeting in this right after the "lack of confidence" vote from the Faculty Senate (in emergency meeting), where Sullivan addressed the BOV... to apparently no avail.

alizeran: So, either the confidence vote was a cowardly attempt to present the world with a veneer of integrity, or they really, truly don't understand that what Dragas did was wrong.


I suspect both.
 
2012-06-27 11:49:43 AM  

alizeran: 1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)


Perhaps you (or whoever you copied this from) meant The New Yorker?
 
2012-06-27 11:52:06 AM  

Arkanaut: alizeran: 1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)

Perhaps you (or whoever you copied this from) meant The New Yorker?


I thought the articles that Dragas and her minions referred to in their e-mail traffic were in the Wall Street Journal.
 
2012-06-27 11:56:02 AM  

havocmike: Masterstuff: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Maybe I missed in TFA, but what was the board's original explanation for pushing her out?

Short answer: She wasn't quick enough.

Long answer: According to NPR she was taking a patient approach to changes to the university and was very inclusive to the students and faculty when it came to the process. The board wanted someone who would implement the changes quick and felt President Sullivan was not that person.

I fail to see how that's not a legitimate excuse to get a new leader?


That's fine. Then don't have a secret meeting with two of your fellow board members, and then, before talking to anyone else, meet the President of the University and lie to her that you have supermajority ready to vote her out. And also don't tell the university community "Fark you, it's none of your business why we did this."
 
2012-06-27 12:00:40 PM  

Arkanaut: alizeran: 1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)

Perhaps you (or whoever you copied this from) meant The New Yorker?


Excellent read. Thanks.
 
Ehh
2012-06-27 12:09:17 PM  
Thank you, alizeran. One internet to you. I have been trying to get a summary like that from our wonderful media. Dragas needs to go.
 
2012-06-27 12:11:43 PM  

alizeran: My unsubstantiated guess?


There's some minimal substantiation, but it's still much more speculation than substance.

alizeran: Sullivan wont make this happen at Wall St speeds so well... you know the rest.


I'm reminded of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Specifically, Lord Havelock Vetinari, the Patrician of Anhk-Moorpork, who runs the city by doing not an awful lot; which is noted to be quite a difficult trick in politics.
 
2012-06-27 12:18:56 PM  
JFC that's a bad headline, how did it get greenlit?
 
2012-06-27 12:22:56 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Arkanaut: alizeran: 1. Dragas decides President Sullivan is not doing something enough. (What, exactly that is, is still unclear. How she came to this determination is also unclear, but it seems to involve reading at least a few articles in the NY Times.)

Perhaps you (or whoever you copied this from) meant The New Yorker?

I thought the articles that Dragas and her minions referred to in their e-mail traffic were in the Wall Street Journal.


I think it was the Post actually
 
2012-06-27 12:32:25 PM  
I do think that universities at some point will have to start running more like businesses as students realize that going thousands of dollars into debt may not be worth it -- whenever that happens. But this case sounds like a bunch of whiny mean girls trying to boot the student class president that all the cliques like.
 
2012-06-27 12:36:49 PM  

killershark: I do think that universities at some point will have to start running more like businesses as students realize that going thousands of dollars into debt may not be worth it


How would running a university "like a business" solve that problem?
 
2012-06-27 01:09:11 PM  

qorkfiend: killershark: I do think that universities at some point will have to start running more like businesses as students realize that going thousands of dollars into debt may not be worth it

How would running a university "like a business" solve that problem?


Businesses are so efficient! And they just get things done!

/I'm convinced that people who say businesses are the model of efficiency and cost reduction have never held a job in their life.
 
2012-06-27 02:05:58 PM  
Subby wasn't trying to be funny with the headline, folks - this is the highest form of communication UVA students are able to manage.
 
2012-06-27 02:45:09 PM  
alizeran

Thanks... I finally know what all the outrage in C'ville is all about.
 
2012-06-27 08:22:56 PM  

alizeran: many many words. Some of them big.


Nicely done. Better than most of what I have read.
 
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