Sabyen91: JesusJuice: Men who are in good shape don't have to suck up to get laid.

They do have to suck penii, though.

Good physical shape = suck cawk.

I'm doing it wrong then.

So no one on Fark is sexist?

So these statements are sexist and "oppressive":

"I feel that many times women flirt with men just to tease them or hurt them,"

"Intoxication among women is worse than intoxication among men."

but would anyone call this woman sexist?

"I feel that many times men have sex with women just to use them and don't care about them."

"A drunk man is worse than a drunk woman"

I don't see what the researchers were getting at. These statements show mistrust of women, but hatred and oppression? I don't doubt their overall conclusions, seems pretty obvious, but their methodology didn't really prove what they're saying.

Either that or the journalist did a shiatty job picking examples and conveying the jist of the study.

And also get much better women.

Face it, fatties, chicks like good looking guys too.

Thunderpipes: And also get much better women.

Face it, fatties, chicks like good looking guys too.

how are they better? skinnier and healthier does not always equal better.

Guys with a 6 pack won't fark fatties, color me surprised......

Gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes

This thread sounds fat.

kid_icarus: miss diminutive: My anecdotal evidence supports these findings.

One of the most sexist, misogynistic people I know works out like a madman and can't walk past a reflective surface without puffing himself up like a blowfish.

He reminded me of Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.

I have a friend like that. He was one of those guys in high school who always felt overshadowed by the "jocks" and had a lot of insecurities. Later on in his 20s, he started going to the gym obsessively, which ironically didn't build his self-esteem much; it almost seemed to amplify the insecurities.. His attitude towards women is...weird. If you go out to a bar with him, he seems to have this outer layer that's almost disproportionally arrogant in believing all the women in the bar should be wanting him (since he's all buff now). And yet there's still that core of his former self that's insecure and dejected, and the combination of the two comes across as overly aggressive towards women and paradoxically hostile to them at the same time.

guy obviously needs to ditch that outer layer and just do aerobic exercises/athletic activities that are actually fun, if he can't have fun himself how is he supposed to be fun with other people?

strangeluck: If men who are obsessed with their muscles are more sexist, then what about women obsessed with their own muscles?

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Yes, that's really a woman in that picture... Female bodybuilders scare me...

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You gonna get raped

I haven't been to a gym in at least 20 years but I'm still pretty sexist. I find sexism much more practical than racism.

JorgiX: radarlove: miss diminutive: At the gym or from the gym?

You'd be surprised how much buttfarking goes down at the gym. It is a serious gay cruising spot.

It seems fairly obvious that a place full of naked men such as a gym locker room is a hotspot for gay sex, yet its one of those things I decide to not think about when I go to the gym.

Apparently I'm going to the wrong gyms. There's almost always a naked guy in the locker room, but he's never under 70 and always just wandering around like he's lost.

Dissociater: This thread sounds fat.

You're on Fark.com. That's a generally fair assumption.

/not me
/part of 26 minute nation

Christian Bale: So these statements are sexist and "oppressive":

"I feel that many times women flirt with men just to tease them or hurt them,"

"Intoxication among women is worse than intoxication among men."

but would anyone call this woman sexist?

"I feel that many times men have sex with women just to use them and don't care about them."

"A drunk man is worse than a drunk woman"

I don't see what the researchers were getting at. These statements show mistrust of women, but hatred and oppression? I don't doubt their overall conclusions, seems pretty obvious, but their methodology didn't really prove what they're saying.

Either that or the journalist did a shiatty job picking examples and conveying the jist of the study.

Especially because they picked examples that are entirely true, and more likely to be noticed with someone who pays attention to physical characteristics as well as behavior.

"I feel that many times women flirt with men just to tease them or hurt them,"

People who are physically attractive, and use physical attractiveness as a basis for sex ARE more likely to have sex for fun, sex for one of their egos, and sex as a weapon against someone else not involved. That's because when you pick out a guy to punish your ex boyfriend, you don't tend to pick out a nerdy quiet guy. Men and women BOTH flirt with opposite sex just to tease them, or hurt them. People who focus on their physical characteristics will be exposed to this more often.

"Intoxication among women is worse than intoxication among men."

Intoxication is largely a percentage based game, and a game of risk. How are we defining worse? Women, on average, have less body mass. People with less mass will be more strongly influenced by alcohol. Women are also more likely to be the victims of sexual assault and violent crime, and alcohol exacerbates that.

Acknowledging reality is not automatically sexist.

It's bell curves, people. Woman and Men as a collective have different bell curves. That only gives you a way to estimate in the abstract about behavior, not predict the exact capabilities of an individual. Stereotypes are about the way to bet without additional information. They are often based on real phenomena that can't be easily and quickly quantified. Whether or not a stereotype is able to outlive the original scenario that created it doesn't directly correlate to the accuracy of it.

radarlove: You'd be surprised how much buttfarking goes down at the gym. It is a serious gay cruising spot.

I switched from a community rec gym to one of the more 26-minute-type places about a year ago, and yeah, that was an eye-opener. Suppose it helps that I'm in a college town, so the young guys need somewhere to go when the clubs are closed.

alwaysjaded: ...When I first started hitting the gym, there was a group of guys that were always there no matter what time of the day it was. They were usually snickering at anyone that didn't already have an Adonis body, usually something like "HAR HAR. Look at fatty on the treadmill!!"

You may be reading too much into things. There are some heavier folk who go to my current gym, along with some older/rehab types. I'm a runner/scarecrow myself & can't push half of what the rats use to warm up, but IME we're pretty much all treated the same. In fact, the muscle-bound types have been friendly & helpful when I've got a question or want someone to check my form. Maybe it's different at a Gold's, but I think most of the time you get respect just for showing up & working hard, no matter your current level.

Sentient:
You may be reading too much into things. There are some heavier folk who go to my current gym, along with some older/rehab types. I'm a runner/scarecrow myself & can't push half of what the rats use to warm up, but IME we're pretty much all treated the same. In fact, the muscle-bound types have been friendly & helpful when I've got a question or want someone to check my form. Maybe it's different at a Gold's, but I think most of the time you get respect just for showing up & working hard, no matter your current level.

I've learned, as I get older, in life there's often a very fine line between, "Someone with more experience accurately assessing my abilities and finding me lacking," and "judging". Most of the serious weightlifters are going to mentally critique your form and technique. That's because they seriously know, and care, about the wear and tear weights put on your body, and know you can critically injure yourself. They probably don't CARE about YOU, in specific though. Usually, if you ask nicely, they'll be happy to tell you what they noticed, and how you can avoid long term pain and suffering.

Let's demonize deeply insecure people and label them as bigots, that'll make society better!

I don't go to the gym.

I go outside, mow the lawn, trim the weeds, cut up firewood, weed the garden, etc...

I get exercise, fresh air, and some sun. During work I get two 15 min breaks and unless I am dead tired or it is crappy outside (as in raining), I will take a walk for both of them (the route I take has a slight slope).

/also, shoveling snow in the winter and raking leaves in the fall
//don't have time for the gym

Mr Guy: Sentient:
You may be reading too much into things. There are some heavier folk who go to my current gym, along with some older/rehab types. I'm a runner/scarecrow myself & can't push half of what the rats use to warm up, but IME we're pretty much all treated the same. In fact, the muscle-bound types have been friendly & helpful when I've got a question or want someone to check my form. Maybe it's different at a Gold's, but I think most of the time you get respect just for showing up & working hard, no matter your current level.

I've learned, as I get older, in life there's often a very fine line between, "Someone with more experience accurately assessing my abilities and finding me lacking," and "judging". Most of the serious weightlifters are going to mentally critique your form and technique. That's because they seriously know, and care, about the wear and tear weights put on your body, and know you can critically injure yourself. They probably don't CARE about YOU, in specific though. Usually, if you ask nicely, they'll be happy to tell you what they noticed, and how you can avoid long term pain and suffering.

Agreed. Im a gym rat, and while yes, we look at you, its no different than looking at anyone else in the gym. I think I can honestly say my buddys and I have never once in all the time I can remember made fun of a fatty at the gym. You're there because you're trying to better yourself, and that holds a lot of weight with people who work out. Everyone started somewhere, and it wasnt where they are now.

In my experiences, gym people are mostly incredibly friendly, especially if you ever ask for help or advice. The only thing gym rats like more than working out is talking about working out, diet, etc ;).

I do tend to purposely seek out local neighborhood gyms though, vs going to a big Golds or LA Fitness or something.

Burr: I don't go to the gym.

I go outside, mow the lawn, trim the weeds, cut up firewood, weed the garden, etc...

I get exercise, fresh air, and some sun. During work I get two 15 min breaks and unless I am dead tired or it is crappy outside (as in raining), I will take a walk for both of them (the route I take has a slight slope).

/also, shoveling snow in the winter and raking leaves in the fall
//don't have time for the gym

Your life sounds awesome.

Lollipop165: It wouldn't surprise me that gym rats would be attracted to gym rats. Not in the least.

But I also think there's 2 different types of gym rats. The ones who are super into it because it interests them and enjoy an active lifestyle and the ones who are into it for superficial reasons (chicks will dig me if I'm buff).

Look how they dress and how much they talk. The meatheads who talk constantly, do a set every 5 minutes, wear stupid bodybuilder outfits really do seem to be retards. The guys who come in with work clothes, work their asses off silently, shower and leave in an hour or so are the guys who are doing it right. Same for chicks. The quiet guys are usually in better shape, at a older age.

kliq: Your life sounds awesome.

Oh, it is. Nothing more satisfying then some hard work, especially if your muscles are slightly sore at the end of the day.

I would rather be productive while exercising. Of course, I grew up on a farm, where right now I would be out in the 90 degree heat on a wagon in the middle of a field (you know, no shade) where I would be lifting and stacking about 100 bales of straw for an hour, each weighing about 30 lbs. Then I would get to go and unload them in the top of a barn where it is hotter then it is outside because it is insulated from all the straw and there is no breeze. Get to do that for about 8 hours a day for a couple of weeks in July.

Nothing against people going to the gym, I understand that for some people it is their preferred method of activity, and more power to them. I just grew up differently then most people so I like to get my exercise from hard work. I tried to go to the gym in college but I just didn't like it. Instead I got a job at Fed-Ex hub as a package handler loading up the semi trailers. Not only did I get exercise I got paid as well!

/trying to get back into farming, instead of the computer work I do now

I'm in GREAT shape (go look, I'll wait).. and I am far from sexist.. and not close to gay either. I also have a lot more to me than just muscle, I'm beautiful too.. and modest.

I do see lots of rather muscular guys acting like they are super hot just because they are well-built.. a majority of them are ugly in the face too.

I will say this in all seriousness though (tongue in cheek above, if that wasn't obvious)..Of all the girls I've dated and generally been around, they do very much appreciate a man in shape (notice I didn't say muscular, though they enjoy that too).. a man that they can feel safe with and have wrap their arms around them and feel confident in. Even the bulky, not muscular but somewhat stronger large men seem to do better than those skinny guys. In fact, on Sunday I had this very conversation..a female friend of mine said that while her ex wasn't all muscular looking, he was strong..bigger.. and she thought that was way more attractive than the skinny dude.

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divx88: written by a fat woman?

bada bing

we're done

Last year I followed a coworker into the weights room, the first time I'd ever tried working out before. I turn 40 next year. I've stuck to it for about 9 months now, going 4-6 times/week, and I gotta say, it's just nice having strength, nevermind an improved physique. I can't say I'm obsessed, but I've really started to notice an improvement.

What's nice is that you're more stable when in awkward positions like reaching for something. I'm just glad I got into the habit of regular workouts, for the amount of effort you put into it, the payouts are so worth it.

Alonjar: Agreed. Im a gym rat, and while yes, we look at you, its no different than looking at anyone else in the gym. I think I can honestly say my buddys and I have never once in all the time I can remember made fun of a fatty at the gym. You're there because you're trying to better yourself, and that holds a lot of weight with people who work out. Everyone started somewhere, and it wasnt where they are now.

In my experiences, gym people are mostly incredibly friendly, especially if you ever ask for help or advice. The only thing gym rats like more than working out is talking about working out, diet, etc ;).

This.

Pattuq: In my experience, overweight and maladjusted nerds posting on the Internet tend to be sexist

Well, there's been a lot of articles lately on sexism among video game enthusiasts...

In my experience, muscle-obsessed men tend to be home-schooled, sheltered, and have mommy issues. Granted, this was the only experience I've had with such so far, so the jury may still be out on this one.

'Sexist' is such a broad term that it really doesn't have much meaning. And, a lot of what they said in the article wasn't actually sexism.

A guy who spends a lot of time in the gym is more likely to look down on women who aren't in shape. But, trust me on this one, they look down on MEN who aren't in shape as well. That's not sexism; that's believing everyone should share your value system.

//Sexist and proud

caution: Last year I followed a coworker into the weights room, the first time I'd ever tried working out before. I turn 40 next year. I've stuck to it for about 9 months now, going 4-6 times/week, and I gotta say, it's just nice having strength, nevermind an improved physique. I can't say I'm obsessed, but I've really started to notice an improvement.

What's nice is that you're more stable when in awkward positions like reaching for something. I'm just glad I got into the habit of regular workouts, for the amount of effort you put into it, the payouts are so worth it.

The absolutely number one thing I'm noticing now, after getting "serious" for almost a year now, is that I use ENTIRELY different muscles to balance in awkward positions, and I'm aware of it. Now, I'm getting to be that annoying person that identifies weaknesses that other coworkers are complaining about with chronic pains due to bad posture.

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And that settles it. Homosexuality IS curable.

Replace the word "sexist" with "teh gay".

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OMG, people age, and if they don't keep working out their muscle tone goes away! What a revelation.

The guy is 65, feel free to post shots of your ripped body studman.