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(ESPN)   The Caps haul in Oates   (espn.go.com ) divider line 49
    More: Cool, Adam Oates, Lou Lamoriello, Troy Brouwer, Bruce Boudreau, Dale Hunter, Hockey Hall of Fame, Southeast Division, George McPhee  
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2012-06-27 12:14:36 AM  
But he screamed, "Leave me alone! I'm a Family Man! And my bark is much worse than my bite!"
 
2012-06-27 12:23:56 AM  
s3-ak.buzzfed.com
 
2012-06-27 12:27:14 AM  
thumbnails.hulu.com

/you could pick the cool black guy or a weird old man who's lame
 
2012-06-27 12:43:13 AM  
They're WAAAAAAAAAATCHIN' you!
 
2012-06-27 12:43:51 AM  
Funny bit on TSN about how Oates is going to "unleash Ovechkin". Have we not learned by now it doesn't matter how many he scores if the defense and goalie can't stop a beach ball wielding geriatric?
 
2012-06-27 12:44:42 AM  

robsul82: They're WAAAAAAAAAATCHIN' you!


You're out of touch . . .
 
2012-06-27 01:02:42 AM  

Old Huntstein: robsul82: They're WAAAAAAAAAATCHIN' you!

You're out of touch . . .


No, I'm out of time.
 
2012-06-27 01:06:57 AM  
I can't go for that
 
2012-06-27 01:38:39 AM  
When I think of the Caps chances, it's just Cold, Dark, and Yesterday!
 
2012-06-27 01:41:57 AM  
That's what a fool believes Subby

That's what a fool believes
 
2012-06-27 01:46:12 AM  
You could say he was... on their list.
 
2012-06-27 02:17:13 AM  
He really needs to sit Ovechkin down and give him an Adult Education.
 
2012-06-27 04:37:10 AM  

Flappyhead: Funny bit on TSN about how Oates is going to "unleash Ovechkin". Have we not learned by now it doesn't matter how many he scores if the defense and goalie can't stop a beach ball wielding geriatric?


The team got the same results playing a defensive-minded game as they did with the run-and-gun. At least the latter was entertaining. If you're going to get bounced from the playoffs anyway you may as well dazzle the fans and have some individual hardware to show for it. And who knows? Oates might find that perfect balance that allows Ovechkin to open it up and keep things responsible on the defensive end, as well.

Big day for Oates. Got a job and got into the HoF. Like Bure, it was only a matter of time before that latter happened.
 
2012-06-27 06:55:07 AM  

swahnhennessy: Flappyhead: Funny bit on TSN about how Oates is going to "unleash Ovechkin". Have we not learned by now it doesn't matter how many he scores if the defense and goalie can't stop a beach ball wielding geriatric?

The team got the same results playing a defensive-minded game as they did with the run-and-gun. At least the latter was entertaining. If you're going to get bounced from the playoffs anyway you may as well dazzle the fans and have some individual hardware to show for it. And who knows? Oates might find that perfect balance that allows Ovechkin to open it up and keep things responsible on the defensive end, as well.

Big day for Oates. Got a job and got into the HoF. Like Bure, it was only a matter of time before that latter happened.


Two guys I want to know why they still aren't in the HHOF:

Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.

Andreychuk clearly deserves to be there on stats. He has more career goals than Bobby Hull, Jari Kurri, Mike Bossy, Guy LaFleur, or Rocket Richard. He has 230 more goals than Daniel Alfredsson, who will get in on the first ballot. He had eight 30-goal seasons, which is more than Bure or Roenick had. All-time leader in powerplay goals. Plus he captained a team to a Stanley Cup. What more do you want?

Housley is has the second-most points among American players all-time (behind only Modano), and the fourth-most points by a defenseman overall (behind only Bourque, Coffey, and MacInnis).

These two guys both clearly deserve to be in, but it hardly seems that they ever get talked about.
 
2012-06-27 07:21:35 AM  
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2012-06-27 07:46:28 AM  
Why is Fred Shero still not in the Hall of Fame?
 
2012-06-27 08:11:57 AM  

Crude: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-06-27 09:12:04 AM  
Finally, they made my dreams come true.

woo-ooh, ooh, ooh, ooooooh
 
2012-06-27 09:24:27 AM  

swahnhennessy: Flappyhead: Funny bit on TSN about how Oates is going to "unleash Ovechkin". Have we not learned by now it doesn't matter how many he scores if the defense and goalie can't stop a beach ball wielding geriatric?

The team got the same results playing a defensive-minded game as they did with the run-and-gun. At least the latter was entertaining. If you're going to get bounced from the playoffs anyway you may as well dazzle the fans and have some individual hardware to show for it. And who knows? Oates might find that perfect balance that allows Ovechkin to open it up and keep things responsible on the defensive end, as well.


There is no such balance. Washington needs to overhaul its back end, plain and simple. Until they do that no coach is going to be able to put them over in the post season.


Doc Daneeka:
Two guys I want to know why they still aren't in the HHOF:

Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.


I believe the technical term is the Ciccarelli Syndrome. Their names keep coming up yet are passed over because somebody else became eligible.
 
2012-06-27 09:26:46 AM  
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I thought he retired??
 
2012-06-27 09:38:29 AM  
Shanahan is like WTF!
 
2012-06-27 10:11:35 AM  
It's a team sport. No more one-on-one.
 
2012-06-27 10:20:31 AM  
Pretty big day, bringing together the Hall and Oates.
 
2012-06-27 10:35:36 AM  

Flappyhead: Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.

I believe the technical term is the Ciccarelli Syndrome. Their names keep coming up yet are passed over because somebody else became eligible.


Look at Doc taking up the cause for some Sabres!

But seriously, those two do deserve it, based on numbers alone. I can understand the argument about how they were never dominant in their time, but there's still something to be said for consistent longevity. Look at Sundin. Granted, he had the international career that helped, and even so I was a little surprised he got in on the 1st ballot, but he's deserving. As was Oates. And as is Andreychuk and Housley and Ciccarelli.

softshoes: Shanahan is like WTF!


He'll have his day. He could have been swapped in with any of Sundin/Oates/Bure, but there's not a clear enough difference in that class to say that one or the other takes precedence.
 
2012-06-27 10:42:45 AM  

swahnhennessy: The team got the same results playing a defensive-minded game as they did with the run-and-gun. At least the latter was entertaining. If you're going to get bounced from the playoffs anyway you may as well dazzle the fans and have some individual hardware to show for it. And who knows? Oates might find that perfect balance that allows Ovechkin to open it up and keep things responsible on the defensive end, as well.


Balance is the key. The way they played last season in the playoffs was as much a guarantee for failure as Boudreau's style.

There's so many questions with this team right now, I predict it will take most of next season just to get back to some stability and have Oates put his system in, whatever that is going to be.
 
2012-06-27 11:40:21 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Two guys I want to know why they still aren't in the HHOF:

Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.



It's because they played for Buffalo, natch.

/just funnin' with your Sabres-centric posts
 
2012-06-27 11:45:18 AM  
Capitals hire former player who helped lead them to the 1998 Stanley Cup Final, once served as team captain, and has never been an NHL head coach before. This is not a repeat from 7 months ago.
 
2012-06-27 11:53:54 AM  
Was this intentional? It's been long rumored since his days playing in Boston that Oates is a maneater.

/was also rumored that Ray Bourque didn't like him
 
2012-06-27 12:00:58 PM  

swahnhennessy: Flappyhead: Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.

I believe the technical term is the Ciccarelli Syndrome. Their names keep coming up yet are passed over because somebody else became eligible.

Look at Doc taking up the cause for some Sabres!

But seriously, those two do deserve it, based on numbers alone. I can understand the argument about how they were never dominant in their time, but there's still something to be said for consistent longevity. Look at Sundin. Granted, he had the international career that helped, and even so I was a little surprised he got in on the 1st ballot, but he's deserving. As was Oates. And as is Andreychuk and Housley and Ciccarelli.

softshoes: Shanahan is like WTF!

He'll have his day. He could have been swapped in with any of Sundin/Oates/Bure, but there's not a clear enough difference in that class to say that one or the other takes precedence.


The knock on Andreychuk has always been that many of his goals were so-called "garbage goals" scored on the powerplay. Deflections and rebounds. But that's a skill. It's not easy to stand in front of the net game-in and game-out, take a beating, and still manage to deflect shots, and do it for such a long career. If it were easy to score that many "garbage goals," everyone would do it. Plus he had leadership qualities. Would Tampa have won the Cup without him as captain? I doubt it.

I'll take a player who's very good for a very long time over a player who's dominant, but only for a few years. I think the former makes for a more impressive career overall. I'd rather have an Andreychuk, Oates, or Ciccarelli over a Lindros.

And I'm not so biased to argue for any former Sabres for the HHOF, unless they really deserve it. You could make a case for Rick Martin (one of the premier goal-scorers of his time, eight 30+ goal seasons), Alex Mogilny (1000+ pts in his career, over a point-per-game average), or Pat LaFontaine (best statistical season by an American player ever, 53g + 95a = 148pts). But I know none of those players is going into the Hall. Careers too short, peak too short, overall numbers not there.
 
2012-06-27 12:05:49 PM  
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And Krueger is named Edmonton Oilers head coach. What is it, 80s day?
 
2012-06-27 12:25:43 PM  

softshoes: Shanahan is like WTF!


Maybe he'll make a video about why he didn't get in
 
2012-06-27 01:06:32 PM  
www.serialoptimist.com

Is Garfunkel an assistant coach?
 
2012-06-27 02:04:51 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Pat LaFontaine (best statistical season by an American player ever, 53g ...


Lafontaine was inducted in 2003.
Agree about Andreychuk and Housley though.
 
2012-06-27 02:21:11 PM  

notadamnduck: Doc Daneeka: Pat LaFontaine (best statistical season by an American player ever, 53g ...

Lafontaine was inducted in 2003.
Agree about Andreychuk and Housley though.


Yeah, of course he was. Brainfart.

Anyway, my biggest problem with HHOF selection is the bias towards first-year eligible players. They should evaluate all eligible players and pick the most deserving, regardless of when they played. There's no rule that says they have to pick first-year eligible players every year. The result is, once a deserving player gets passed over a couple of times, it's very hard for them to get in, and they wind up waiting a long time.
 
2012-06-27 03:41:30 PM  

notadamnduck: Lafontaine was inducted in 2003.


Had to bring that name up in a Caps thread.

Also, Wideman to Calgary for a prospect and a pick.
 
2012-06-27 05:23:41 PM  

lunchinlewis: Also, Wideman to Calgary for a prospect and a pick.


Five-year, $26.25 million contract... lol Calgary.
 
2012-06-27 06:09:28 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Five-year, $26.25 million contract... lol Calgary.


Holy crap. If they were going to throw that kind of a contract at him, why even trade for his rights?
 
2012-06-27 06:22:18 PM  
...ALBERTA, CANADA!
 
2012-06-27 06:25:28 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: lunchinlewis: Also, Wideman to Calgary for a prospect and a pick.

Five-year, $26.25 million contract... lol Calgary.


Someone wanna check in on Rev?
 
2012-06-27 06:26:55 PM  

swahnhennessy: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Five-year, $26.25 million contract... lol Calgary.

Holy crap. If they were going to throw that kind of a contract at him, why even trade for his rights?


First Calgary WTFed the draft, now this.
 
2012-06-27 06:30:33 PM  
Wideman got a no-movement clause in his deal as well.
 
2012-06-27 07:02:23 PM  

jekostas: Someone wanna check in on Rev?


Waiting on a response.
 
2012-06-27 07:22:17 PM  
Good thing Calgary made this move. If they hadn't they would have had so much competition from...uh...um...nevermind.
 
2012-06-27 07:58:29 PM  

notadamnduck: Doc Daneeka: Pat LaFontaine (best statistical season by an American player ever, 53g ...

Lafontaine was inducted in 2003.


And the Islanders have not only not retired LaFontaine's number, but they've let guys like Jon Sim and Marty Reasoner wear it. And they've not put him in the Islanders Hall of Fame even though far lesser players are in. And they've basically shut him out of the team entirely, going to pretty great lengths to not acknowledge him at all. All over the Neil Smith affair. Shameful.
 
2012-06-27 09:01:37 PM  

jekostas: Wideman got a no-movement clause in his deal as well.


I knew he was coming up as a UFA. It sounds like Calgary really wanted him and wanted to deal before Wideman got any offers.

He was pretty bad in the second half of the season. Not sad to see him go, although this probably means they are going to give Green a new deal.
 
2012-06-27 09:11:08 PM  

FreakinB: notadamnduck: Doc Daneeka: Pat LaFontaine (best statistical season by an American player ever, 53g ...

Lafontaine was inducted in 2003.

And the Islanders have not only not retired LaFontaine's number, but they've let guys like Jon Sim and Marty Reasoner wear it. And they've not put him in the Islanders Hall of Fame even though far lesser players are in. And they've basically shut him out of the team entirely, going to pretty great lengths to not acknowledge him at all. All over the Neil Smith affair. Shameful.


The Sabres have retired his number.

And rightly so. He was a great Sabre in the early-mid 90s on a line with Alex Mogilny.
 
2012-06-27 10:12:54 PM  

Doc Daneeka: swahnhennessy: Flappyhead:
Two guys I want to know why they still aren't in the HHOF:

Dave Andreychuk and Phil Housley.

Andreychuk clearly deserves to be there on stats. He has more career goals than Bobby Hull, Jari Kurri, Mike Bossy, Guy LaFleur, or Rocket Richard. He has 230 more goals than Daniel Alfredsson, who will get in on the first ballot. He had eight 30-goal seasons, which is more than Bure or Roenick had. All-time leader in powerplay goals. Plus he captained a team to a Stanley Cup. What more do you want?

Housley is has the second-most points among American players all-time (behind only Modano), and the fourth-most points by a defenseman overall (behind only Bourque, Coffey, and MacInnis).

These two guys both clearly deserve to be in, but it hardly seems that they ever get talked about.


Five whom I want to know why, are more deserving yet less talked about:

Vachon, Makarov, Tumba, Mikhailov, Holocek
 
2012-06-27 11:44:28 PM  

jekostas: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: lunchinlewis: Also, Wideman to Calgary for a prospect and a pick.

Five-year, $26.25 million contract... lol Calgary.

Someone wanna check in on Rev?


He seems okay, but he's probably drunk.
 
2012-06-27 11:51:17 PM  

lunchinlewis: jekostas: Wideman got a no-movement clause in his deal as well.

I knew he was coming up as a UFA. It sounds like Calgary really wanted him and wanted to deal before Wideman got any offers.

He was pretty bad in the second half of the season. Not sad to see him go, although this probably means they are going to give Green a new deal.


TBH there are only a couple good UFA D's on the market. I'm just glad we picked up Ribiero so we're not going to be in the bidding war for Jokinen. WIth the cap increase, that's going to be a shiatshow.
 
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