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(Telegraph)   Acknowledging that many people outside the church view Christians as "weird, "mad" and "primitive", Archbishop of Canterbury says Christians need to overcome their "disgust" about homosexuality   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-06-26 08:11:20 PM  
I'd think that even if they weren't hating on gays.
 
2012-06-26 08:11:52 PM  
The problem here with championing the AofC here is keeping in mind the other batshiat braindroppings he tends to emit with frightening regularity.
 
2012-06-26 08:14:22 PM  
Making choices about how you should act as one of the faithful; okay.

Making choices about how non-believers should act: raving farking zealot. fark off and die.
 
2012-06-26 08:14:29 PM  
Christians. They want to get their little silver balls into as many holes as they can.
 
2012-06-26 08:14:52 PM  
I'm going to go do a happy dance now.

/Seriously, it's about time they had this conversation with themselves.
 
2012-06-26 08:15:22 PM  
Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.
 
2012-06-26 08:16:07 PM  
We do baby steps here in America. It's how we roll. America is setup to be slow so no one political-fad can run amok.

Look, we finally have a President who believes all Americans should be treated equally, and we have also removed any anti-homosexual stipulations in our armed forces. We're getting there.
 
2012-06-26 08:16:44 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.



Oh you are just adorable.

*pinches your rosy little cheek*
 
2012-06-26 08:17:27 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.



So you're saying, that maybe if we didn't treat black Americans as criminals they wouldn't have as high a criminal rate as white Americans?
 
2012-06-26 08:17:43 PM  

This text is now purple: The problem here with championing the AofC here is keeping in mind the other batshiat braindroppings he tends to emit with frightening regularity.


At least they're figuring out you don't make friends with hatred. It's like salad.
 
2012-06-26 08:18:46 PM  
The article seems to confuse Anglican with Christian.


Yes I know Anglicans are Christians, but you don't call squares rectangles
 
2012-06-26 08:19:15 PM  
"Christians must confront their own 'disgust' over homosexuality, says Archbishop"

And don't forget pedophelia.
 
2012-06-26 08:19:58 PM  
I still consider my Christian, and it's gayness isn't disgusting at all! In fact I revel in it. Comes quite naturally.

He's got a drinking problem, but still:

i.imgur.com

Oh Luke Guldan, you sexy rascal:

i.imgur.com

Bulging things!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-26 08:20:09 PM  
So they'll be less like muslims , jews , atheists , agnostics ?
 
2012-06-26 08:20:43 PM  
Yes, because if they didn't flat out say 'all gays were going to hell', the look of disgust still speaks volumes, and no christian will ever hold that back.
 
2012-06-26 08:22:03 PM  
Maybe if feelings of embarrassment, shame and disgust weren't central to your Dogma, people wouldn't feel them as much.
 
2012-06-26 08:23:49 PM  
Somebody's gonna lose their job . . .
 
2012-06-26 08:24:22 PM  
I can sympathize. I find gay behavior disgusting. This somehow makes me 'hate' gays.
 
2012-06-26 08:24:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.


Hahahahahaha that's farking hilarious. Christian tolerance of those who are different. Comedy gold.
 
2012-06-26 08:24:47 PM  
oglobo.globo.com
 
2012-06-26 08:26:56 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.


I dont think gays openly annonce christans are going to hell for the way they live.

//just saying....
 
2012-06-26 08:27:12 PM  
But, they poop from there!
 
2012-06-26 08:29:12 PM  
I can't wait for the US Bishops to dump on Methodists for not subscribing to the Immaculate Conception of Mary, or Baptists to argue against infant baptism. All this "united against the gays" is just posturing. I want a full blow religious squabble damn it!

/Topped off by the Pope recalling the good time had by all at the st. bartholomew's day massacre.
 
2012-06-26 08:29:17 PM  

LeafyGreens: I still consider my Christian, and it's gayness isn't disgusting at all! In fact I revel in it. Comes quite naturally.

He's got a drinking problem, but still:

[i.imgur.com

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Oh Luke Guldan, you sexy rascal:

[i.imgur.com

image 418x616]

Bulging things!

[i.imgur.com

image 499x750]


Wowzers. The one with the drinking problem is great.
 
2012-06-26 08:29:42 PM  

kukukupo: I can sympathize. I find gay behavior disgusting. This somehow makes me 'hate' gays.


Find it disgusting all you like, just don't expect them to change because of your personal opinion, and don't expect anyone else to conform to your personal beliefs.

/I'll be over here, thinking it's hot
//and trying to write more stories involving it
 
2012-06-26 08:30:01 PM  
Really? How can a church be wrestling over this issue? Do they even read their Bibles?
 
2012-06-26 08:30:43 PM  

Nhojwolfe: I dont think gays openly annonce christans are going to hell for the way they live.


But they are. Going to hell I mean, if there was one. The whole lot of them will be in the fire pit separated from their precious god and have no idea why.
 
2012-06-26 08:31:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.


Never once have I been picket/protested on my to a church...
 
2012-06-26 08:32:05 PM  
In a weird kind of way, he's actually right. "Disgust" is a visceral, emotional response that you have no control over. If somebody is "disgusted" by the thought of gay sex, it no more makes them a bad person than, say, if you are a vegetarian who is disgusted by the thought of eating meat.

However, the AofC is saying that a person does have an obligation to not let their "disgust" determine their actions towards that person. He is saying that they should "get over it" and treat a gay just like any other person, despite their disgust that they have no control over. He is saying that it's not important how we feel about something; it's important how we act on those feelings.

And you know what? That's actually a pretty good thing for a religion to ask of its followers.
 
2012-06-26 08:32:33 PM  
I heard the Archbishop eats babies. Any truth to this rumour?

/slightly obscure...but probably not.
 
2012-06-26 08:33:50 PM  
i116.photobucket.com
I always thought Percy was a bit off.
 
2012-06-26 08:33:54 PM  

06Wahoo: Really? How can a church be wrestling over this issue? Do they even read their Bibles?


Exactly.. JC loved everyone gay and straight
 
2012-06-26 08:34:31 PM  

whither_apophis: I can't wait for the US Bishops to dump on Methodists for not subscribing to the Immaculate Conception of Mary, or Baptists to argue against infant baptism. All this "united against the gays" is just posturing. I want a full blow religious squabble damn it!

/Topped off by the Pope recalling the good time had by all at the st. bartholomew's day massacre.


How crazy would that be to see!?

I say if atheists want to form a schism they should begin referring to people by their actual religion instead of labeling them all as 'Christians'. Divide and conquer.

My grandma used to tell me how her town was bitterly divided between the Protestants and the Catholics. So much so that they had their own schools and everything.
 
2012-06-26 08:34:39 PM  

PizzaJedi81: I heard the Archbishop eats babies. Any truth to this rumour?

/slightly obscure...but probably not.


*tiny fist*
 
2012-06-26 08:36:09 PM  
LeafyGreens: I still consider my Christian, and it's gayness isn't disgusting at all! In fact I revel in it. Comes quite naturally.

He's got a drinking problem, but still:

[i.imgur.com image 500x750]

Oh Luke Guldan, you sexy rascal:

[i.imgur.com image 418x616]

Bulging things!

[i.imgur.com image 499x750]


Ok. This annoys me.

Why is it if I'm gay or bisexual (I am), I have to like manly, bulging muscled men. fark your stereotypes.

Why can't I like the femmy, emo boys who look good in a dress? Answer that.

Also, exactly how much influence does the AoC have over anything in the United States.
 
2012-06-26 08:36:49 PM  

06Wahoo: Really? How can a church be wrestling over this issue? Do they even read their Bibles?


Just the parts they want to. The stuff in the old testament, well not the parts about shellfish but the part about the gheys. Also, if Christ cared about your sexuality he would have found time in the THREE years he preached to say "Also, don't be gay."
 
2012-06-26 08:37:11 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.


Why do they view Christians that way? Exactly.

You can't bully people and then play the victim when they fight back.
 
2012-06-26 08:37:18 PM  

kukukupo: I can sympathize. I find gay behavior disgusting. This somehow makes me 'hate' gays.


I am going to go home tonight and will reheat some of the lasagna I made on Sunday, then I plan on downloading the Dawnguard DLC for Skyrim.

I hope my gay behavior doesn't overwhelm you.
 
2012-06-26 08:40:36 PM  
Well Im glad we got this straight. Jerry Sandusky is the victim. Those kids were just being non religious. Heathens.
 
2012-06-26 08:40:40 PM  
"Archbishop of Canterbury says Christians need to overcome their "disgust" about mass spoken in english, rather than LATIN."

Fixed that for you.

Sad, how so few don't remember...
 
2012-06-26 08:42:49 PM  

BronyMedic: LeafyGreens: I still consider my Christian, and it's gayness isn't disgusting at all! In fact I revel in it. Comes quite naturally.

He's got a drinking problem, but still:

[i.imgur.com image 500x750]

Oh Luke Guldan, you sexy rascal:

[i.imgur.com image 418x616]

Bulging things!

[i.imgur.com image 499x750]

Ok. This annoys me.

Why is it if I'm gay or bisexual (I am), I have to like manly, bulging muscled men. fark your stereotypes.

Why can't I like the femmy, emo boys who look good in a dress? Answer that.

Also, exactly how much influence does the AoC have over anything in the United States.


Femmy: cool
Dresses: cool
Emo: you deserve all the mockery you get.
 
2012-06-26 08:44:46 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: whither_apophis: I can't wait for the US Bishops to dump on Methodists for not subscribing to the Immaculate Conception of Mary, or Baptists to argue against infant baptism. All this "united against the gays" is just posturing. I want a full blow religious squabble damn it!

/Topped off by the Pope recalling the good time had by all at the st. bartholomew's day massacre.

How crazy would that be to see!?

I say if atheists want to form a schism they should begin referring to people by their actual religion instead of labeling them all as 'Christians'. Divide and conquer.

My grandma used to tell me how her town was bitterly divided between the Protestants and the Catholics. So much so that they had their own schools and everything.



We had two rival towns where I grew up in rural Indiana that had generations of hate and animosity between them, because one was made up primarily of Irish Catholics, and the other Baptists and Pentecostals. And this was in the 80's.
 
2012-06-26 08:44:54 PM  

Wayne 985: AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if people would stop viewing Christians as "weird, mad, and primitive", Christians might start be a little more accepting of gays.

Tolerance is a two-way street.

Why do they view Christians that way? Exactly.

You can't bully people and then play the victim when they fight back.


Unless your in florida of course
 
2012-06-26 08:47:12 PM  
I was approached at lunch today by some random stranger who wanted to convert me. I can't recall for the life of my why I didn't just tell him to fark off, but in any case I let him sit down and explained to him very calmly and matter-of-factly that lots of Bible reading, study, and two decades in various churches had led me out of Christianity. After several tangents where he claimed in one breath that he wasn't interested in trying to prove the Bible, then using "the Bible says" as his justification in the next, he finally got around to his "gotcha" point: That sin separates us from God, so if God isn't communicating with you and convincing you that fundamentalist Christianity is true, it must be because of something you did. There must be some sort of sin you're holding onto that is causing you to reject God because you're not willing to give it up.

I tried to explain the problems with this argument: That it still doesn't shift the burden of proof at all, and that it is purely a rhetorical cudgel, one that attempts to cow a person through vigorous assertion, and which can work regardless of whether or not your religion is true. He ignored this, of course, and kept trying to see if the the real reason I'm not a fundamentalist is because I like to push old ladies or am secretly gay or watch porn or something. At that point we were clearly not communicating, and I told him that I had to go, irritated in spite of myself.

I tell this story to illustrate a point: I agree with the Archbishop that the Church needs to overcome its disgust of homosexuality. That will make the world a much better place to live, and allow the church to reach more people than it would otherwise. However, as long as your religion considers "not being one of us" an indication of a grave moral failure, (or as a moral failing in and of itself,) you may find the "weird," "mad," and "primitive" labels hard to shake.

/ He also kept attempting to convince me that God talks to him on a regular basis
// I was not impressed
 
2012-06-26 08:51:08 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: / He also kept attempting to convince me that God talks to him on a regular basis
// I was not impressed


looks like you missed a marvelous opportunity to fark with him.
 
2012-06-26 08:56:41 PM  
I had a Jehovah's Witness come by my house this weekend. He was a nice guy, really. I tried to explain why I believe in evolution, but he kept on with the "it's complicated so god made it" argument for Intelligent Design. I explained how very large numbers counter very small probabilities. Of course, he dismissed my arguments out of hand.

He gave me some reading materials about how evolution is wrong. I'll have a quick read this weekend and point out funny stuff in it in future Fark threads.

Since religion is a virus to me, I just hope I don't become infected by reading that material. I'm probably mostly immune, though.
 
2012-06-26 08:56:50 PM  

whither_apophis: /Topped off by the Pope recalling the good time had by all at the st. bartholomew's day massacre.


CSB.

In high school, I saw a guy giving a presentation forget he had abbreviated massacre on his notecards and tell us about all the people killed at St. Bartholomew's Day Mass.
 
2012-06-26 08:57:52 PM  

Ringshadow: kukukupo: I can sympathize. I find gay behavior disgusting. This somehow makes me 'hate' gays.

Find it disgusting all you like, just don't expect them to change because of your personal opinion, and don't expect anyone else to conform to your personal beliefs.

/I'll be over here, thinking it's hot
//and trying to write more stories involving it


Fair enough. As long as I don't have to be around it, I don't care.

/feel the same about smokers
//pot heads too
 
2012-06-26 08:57:54 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: I was approached at lunch today by some random stranger who wanted to convert me. I can't recall for the life of my why I didn't just tell him to fark off, but in any case I let him sit down and explained to him very calmly and matter-of-factly that lots of Bible reading, study, and two decades in various churches had led me out of Christianity. After several tangents where he claimed in one breath that he wasn't interested in trying to prove the Bible, then using "the Bible says" as his justification in the next, he finally got around to his "gotcha" point: That sin separates us from God, so if God isn't communicating with you and convincing you that fundamentalist Christianity is true, it must be because of something you did. There must be some sort of sin you're holding onto that is causing you to reject God because you're not willing to give it up.

I tried to explain the problems with this argument: That it still doesn't shift the burden of proof at all, and that it is purely a rhetorical cudgel, one that attempts to cow a person through vigorous assertion, and which can work regardless of whether or not your religion is true. He ignored this, of course, and kept trying to see if the the real reason I'm not a fundamentalist is because I like to push old ladies or am secretly gay or watch porn or something. At that point we were clearly not communicating, and I told him that I had to go, irritated in spite of myself.

I tell this story to illustrate a point: I agree with the Archbishop that the Church needs to overcome its disgust of homosexuality. That will make the world a much better place to live, and allow the church to reach more people than it would otherwise. However, as long as your religion considers "not being one of us" an indication of a grave moral failure, (or as a moral failing in and of itself,) you may find the "weird," "mad," and "primitive" labels hard to shake.

/ He also kept attempting to convince me that God talks to him on a regular basis
// I was not impressed


You showed more restraint than I could. If someone tells me that god speaks to them regularly I typically just let them know there is medication and counseling for that.
 
2012-06-26 08:58:25 PM  

ph0rk: Martian_Astronomer: / He also kept attempting to convince me that God talks to him on a regular basis
// I was not impressed

looks like you missed a marvelous opportunity to fark with him.


Yeah, but it's hard to plant a walkie talkie on someone.
 
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