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(The Detroit_News)   A football player for the Detroit Lions is arrested. This is not a repeat from January, February, March, April, or May   (detroitnews.com) divider line 30
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2012-06-26 04:29:52 PM
Well, I suppose if he was clothed, it's a step up.
 
2012-06-26 04:39:39 PM
Classy. Don't wonder why your immature, yet physically gifted team treads water in the playoffs Lions fans.
 
2012-06-26 04:40:47 PM
As a Lions fan, I'm ok with this.

/wasn't he the one that said something pathetic after the playoff loss last year?
 
2012-06-26 04:42:01 PM
I'll be gone til November I'll be gone til November
 
2012-06-26 04:43:45 PM
Well of course it isn't a repeat subby. This time it was someone other than Nick Fairley.
 
2012-06-26 04:46:23 PM
And the funny thing is the NFL will set you up with a driver/security/whatever and all you have to do is request it. Think I first heard about this when Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg.
 
2012-06-26 04:48:41 PM
God damnit. He won't be playing the first few games, along with a few of the others who've f'ed up this offseason. Coach takes this shiat seriously.
 
2012-06-26 04:49:10 PM
OK, going back to a conversation I was having here years ago, we now see a Detroit Lions team with new coaching staff, Millen is gone, they have plenty of good talented players on the roster, but the team is still a freaking trainwreck because none of those things ever had anything to do with the actual reason why the Lions can't have a championship caliber team. None of those things was the problem, they were only symptoms of the problem. The problem is, and always has been, the owner. I said it then, and I am still saying it. Until the Lions are out of the hands of the Fords and into the hands of someone who knows football (the game as well as the business) the Lions will remain the disaster that they are. No amount of talent on the field, on the sidelines, or in the management will change that.

/BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.
 
2012-06-26 05:02:18 PM

Balchinian: /BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.


Really? On the balance, I think he's done a nice job with this team. Unlike past Lions coaches, he hasn't tried to just pigeon hole the roster into whatever he thinks football should be (e.g. Bobby Ross, Steve Marriuci, that idiot from Tampa Bay). He's built his game plan based on the guys he has, and he's done an above average job overall.

My biggest complaint is this: he lets his emotions get the better of him, and I think his lack of discipline is a big part of the reason the Lions are so undisciplined.

I admit, it's entirely possible that I'm so warped by the string of awful coaches in Detroit that someone demonstrating basic competence in some areas seems groundbreaking.
 
2012-06-26 05:02:38 PM

Balchinian: OK, going back to a conversation I was having here years ago, we now see a Detroit Lions team with new coaching staff, Millen is gone, they have plenty of good talented players on the roster, but the team is still a freaking trainwreck because none of those things ever had anything to do with the actual reason why the Lions can't have a championship caliber team. None of those things was the problem, they were only symptoms of the problem. The problem is, and always has been, the owner. I said it then, and I am still saying it. Until the Lions are out of the hands of the Fords and into the hands of someone who knows football (the game as well as the business) the Lions will remain the disaster that they are. No amount of talent on the field, on the sidelines, or in the management will change that.

/BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.


You can't be serious.
 
2012-06-26 05:05:38 PM

rcantley: Balchinian: /BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.

Really? On the balance, I think he's done a nice job with this team. Unlike past Lions coaches, he hasn't tried to just pigeon hole the roster into whatever he thinks football should be (e.g. Bobby Ross, Steve Marriuci, that idiot from Tampa Bay). He's built his game plan based on the guys he has, and he's done an above average job overall.

My biggest complaint is this: he lets his emotions get the better of him, and I think his lack of discipline is a big part of the reason the Lions are so undisciplined.

I admit, it's entirely possible that I'm so warped by the string of awful coaches in Detroit that someone demonstrating basic competence in some areas seems groundbreaking.


I'm assuming you mean his outbursts this past season. I personally like that. It gets the team fired up and it's nice to finally see a coach who seems to actually LIKE winning and HATES losing (much like the fanbase). IIRC someone did a report on him before last season and his goal was to instill discipline on and off the field. When he got there, players were parking in handcapped/reserved parking, parking in 2 or 3 spots and he addressed it by punishing them in training/practice. It only took a couple weeks and that shiat stopped.
 
2012-06-26 05:08:04 PM

Balchinian: OK, going back to a conversation I was having here years ago, we now see a Detroit Lions team with new coaching staff, Millen is gone, they have plenty of good talented players on the roster, but the team is still a freaking trainwreck because none of those things ever had anything to do with the actual reason why the Lions can't have a championship caliber team. None of those things was the problem, they were only symptoms of the problem. The problem is, and always has been, the owner. I said it then, and I am still saying it. Until the Lions are out of the hands of the Fords and into the hands of someone who knows football (the game as well as the business) the Lions will remain the disaster that they are. No amount of talent on the field, on the sidelines, or in the management will change that.

/BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.


I think things will change for the better after the old man dies. His son has been taking notes from Illitch (Tigers/Redwings). He can't wait to get his hands on this team. His dad just keeps gumming up the works.
 
2012-06-26 05:15:12 PM

zippolight2002: God damnit. He won't be playing the first few games, along with a few of the others who've f'ed up this offseason. Coach takes this shiat seriously.


Which coach? Belichik? Coughlin?
 
2012-06-26 05:25:00 PM

zippolight2002: I'm assuming you mean his outbursts this past season.


I like the emotions, but it's got to be checked. Guys like Young and Suh get eviscerated for bad decisions after the whistle, but Schwartz was generally praised for acting like a two year old after Harbaugh (who is a dick) hit his back too hard. He also blew a timeout in the finale against Green Bay to biatch out a ref.

I love his fire. But there's a difference between being fired up and acting like an idiot. When the coach pulls crap like that, the players will too.

His goal may be to instill discipline in the players on and off the field, but the proof is in the pudding - he hasn't. That's my biggest complaint - actually, it's really my only complaint. He's a smart guy who has done a great job otherwise.
 
2012-06-26 05:31:42 PM

rcantley: zippolight2002: I'm assuming you mean his outbursts this past season.

I like the emotions, but it's got to be checked. Guys like Young and Suh get eviscerated for bad decisions after the whistle, but Schwartz was generally praised for acting like a two year old after Harbaugh (who is a dick) hit his back too hard. He also blew a timeout in the finale against Green Bay to biatch out a ref.

I love his fire. But there's a difference between being fired up and acting like an idiot. When the coach pulls crap like that, the players will too.

His goal may be to instill discipline in the players on and off the field, but the proof is in the pudding - he hasn't. That's my biggest complaint - actually, it's really my only complaint. He's a smart guy who has done a great job otherwise.


I can get behind that.
 
2012-06-26 05:50:22 PM
lol, Errin' Berry.
 
2012-06-26 05:54:43 PM
Shut them down for a year along with the Saints. No one important will care.
 
2012-06-26 05:54:46 PM
Hit multiple parked cars. Evaded police.

He might not be playing this YEAR. If the police don't lock him up, goodell probably will shut him down.
 
2012-06-26 05:58:17 PM

groppet: And the funny thing is the NFL will set you up with a driver/security/whatever and all you have to do is request it. Think I first heard about this when Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg.


Yep. If my employer did that, I'd never be sober.
 
2012-06-26 06:44:07 PM

The Flexecutioner: lol, Errin' Berry.


Uhrunn Buhrry

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2012-06-26 07:21:14 PM
As a lifelong Lions fan, this is getting craz... oh wait, it's Berry. He's useless, so meh. No big woop.
 
2012-06-26 07:22:37 PM
Now that's a Friday night (I don't know about you, but I count the past-midnight activities) to remember.
 
2012-06-26 07:51:31 PM

iron_city_ap: Classy. Don't wonder why your immature, yet physically gifted team treads water in the playoffs Lions fans.


It is a bit amazing for Lion fans to have this type of insult thrown at us. In the Millin years the playoffs (or a gifted team) would be a pipe dream.

Four of the off season arrests came against the same two idiots and now this. The others didn't play last year and Berry isn't a starter. This hurts but the Leos are by no means crippled and should be a force once everyone is healthy and out on bail...
 
2012-06-26 07:52:13 PM
It's laundry. I continue to not give two shiats what they do off the field. If the cops are ok with them wandering around in society, fine with me. It ain't like we get to pick the players we root for.

/Steeler fan
 
2012-06-26 08:40:06 PM

zippolight2002: Balchinian: OK, going back to a conversation I was having here years ago, we now see a Detroit Lions team with new coaching staff, Millen is gone, they have plenty of good talented players on the roster, but the team is still a freaking trainwreck because none of those things ever had anything to do with the actual reason why the Lions can't have a championship caliber team. None of those things was the problem, they were only symptoms of the problem. The problem is, and always has been, the owner. I said it then, and I am still saying it. Until the Lions are out of the hands of the Fords and into the hands of someone who knows football (the game as well as the business) the Lions will remain the disaster that they are. No amount of talent on the field, on the sidelines, or in the management will change that.

/BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.

You can't be serious.


I am. See below


rcantley: Balchinian: /BTW, Schwarz isn't just a jerk, he is also not a very capable coach.

Really? On the balance, I think he's done a nice job with this team. Unlike past Lions coaches, he hasn't tried to just pigeon hole the roster into whatever he thinks football should be (e.g. Bobby Ross, Steve Marriuci, that idiot from Tampa Bay). He's built his game plan based on the guys he has, and he's done an above average job overall.

My biggest complaint is this: he lets his emotions get the better of him, and I think his lack of discipline is a big part of the reason the Lions are so undisciplined.

I admit, it's entirely possible that I'm so warped by the string of awful coaches in Detroit that someone demonstrating basic competence in some areas seems groundbreaking.


That, in a nutshell, is it. See more below.

zippolight2002:
I'm assuming you mean his outbursts this past season. I personally like that. It gets the team fired up and it's nice to finally see a coach who seems to actually LIKE winning and HATES losing (much like the fanbase). IIRC someone did a report on him before last season and his goal was to instill discipline on and off the field. When he got there, players were parking in handcapped/reserved parking, parking in 2 or 3 spots and he addressed it by punishing them in training/practice. It only took a couple weeks and that shiat stopped.


The primary job of a head coach is to establish and maintain discipline, both on an individual basis and a team basis. He is not there to babysit, he is not there to micromanage. He can not do the rest of his job until and unless discipline has been established both in his staff and his players, and in the team as a whole. Further, you can not establish discipline unless you yourself are disciplined. He is not. He makes token efforts when specific issues (like the parking) are brought to his attention, but on the whole he does not even know what it is to be disciplined, and his behavior shows that. The problem is that he has players who don't know how to be disciplined either, and they look to him for guidance. That is one of the biggest reasons Suh is struggling with self-discipline so much. He has a crappy coach modeling crappy behavior. Without discipline you can not have a team. All you can have is a bunch of individuals wearing the same clothes, doing their own individual versions of the same dance.

Bobby Ross was one of the most disciplined coaches in the NFL. The reason he left Detroit so quickly is that he was not going to be allowed to instill that discipline into the team. He said as much when he left, although I believe what he said was something more like "I wasn't going to be allowed to run the program the way I thought it should be run". Whose call was that? Ford's. What is the one element that every Lions head coach has lacked since Ford bought the team? Discipline. Ford, for whatever reason, seems to deliberately eschew disciplined head coaches. The whole concept of "pigeon-holeing" is not ultimately to limit players, though it does do that at first. The idea is to get them focused on something small and manageable. To master it. And only then to broaden out. That is a technique both commonly and effectively used to teach discipline not just in football, but in many areas of life and even in training your pets. The concept when training a dog for example, is described by the saying that it is easier to let leash out than to haul it back in. You start out pigeon-holed. On a short leash. When you do that small stuff with proficiency and discipline, you let out a little leash and tackle something bigger. He had no intention of keeping players pigeon-holed any longer than necessary. But as effective as it is, it is a long process. It can take 2-3 years. Ford didn't want to spend that kind of time, and he didn't want someone other than himself to be that much of an influence on his team.

rcantley just glossed right over that phrase as if it was tangential. I don't believe it is. I think it is at the center of the Lions problems going back 50+ years. Ford has gone out of his way to keep the Detroit Lions an undisciplined mess.

Is he a better coach than the Lions have had recently? Oh yes. Absolutely. But a turd is still a turd even if it doesn't stink as bad as the last few.
 
2012-06-26 08:55:47 PM

rcantley: zippolight2002: I'm assuming you mean his outbursts this past season.

I like the emotions, but it's got to be checked. Guys like Young and Suh get eviscerated for bad decisions after the whistle, but Schwartz was generally praised for acting like a two year old after Harbaugh (who is a dick) hit his back too hard. He also blew a timeout in the finale against Green Bay to biatch out a ref.


The refs for that GB-Detroit game deserved worse.
 
2012-06-26 08:59:35 PM

ChrisDe: groppet: And the funny thing is the NFL will set you up with a driver/security/whatever and all you have to do is request it. Think I first heard about this when Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg.

Yep. If my employer did that, I'd never be sober.


if my employer did that i'd prolly fake the need for it just to get the free chauffeur.
 
2012-06-27 07:26:06 AM
The Detroit Lions are quickly becoming the Cincinnati Bengals.
 
2012-06-27 08:19:43 AM
My girlfriend was in his class in high school. Her response: "I'm not surprised".
 
2012-06-27 09:29:29 AM
I'd like to thank Berry for volunteering to be the fall guy. You know the fairly useless player we cut to send a message to the other more valuable offenders about this.

Seriously we have a problem, between the defense's love of "Stop the running back 2 yards short of the marker on 3rd, commit personal foul to give opposing team a fresh set of downs anyway" and the new off season plan of getting arrested we're becoming the Bengals North.

/at some point we're also going to have to identify a coach to fire as a message that the others need to get their units under control
 
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