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2012-06-26 02:31:38 PM
A Tampa rape victim can sue the Hillsborough County Sheriff for allowing a jail guard to refuse to give her a prescribed emergency contraception pill because it was against the guard's religious beliefs, a federal judge ruled.

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R.W. says she requested her second pill the next morning, but jail employee Michele Spinelli refused. "Spinelli told the Plaintiff that she would not give R.W. the pill because it was against Spinelli's religious beliefs," the first amended complaint states.

Do you think that 'Michele' would have wanted the contraception pill if she'd been the one raped?
 
2012-06-26 02:35:30 PM

Nadie_AZ: Do you think that 'Michele' would have wanted the contraception pill if she'd been the one raped?


"The only moral abortion is my abortion!"

What a coont-nozzle guard.
 
2012-06-26 02:37:19 PM
I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.
 
2012-06-26 02:42:14 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


You got raped? Call us and we'll toss your ass in jail.
I hope she wins.

I know someone who was hit while bicycling - driver swerved into bike lane, hit him and ran - and while he was unconcious the police searched him for ID and were running warant checks on him before they released him to paramedics or searched for the driver. Nice.
 
2012-06-26 02:43:00 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


This.

Tough on crime + war on women.
 
2012-06-26 02:43:11 PM
Mkay, I think the jail should be required to dispense any medication the criminals have a prescription for.
If the guard doesn't want to dispense it, that's her right, but either the jail shouldn't leave her there alone or they should replace her with somebody who will do both.

But, I also wouldn't really have expected them to have thought of that before it came up. And there's not really any damages for the victim to sue for here. She ended up not getting pregnant anyhow, so no harm no foul.

Make the sheriff change their policy, but don't give the victim any money.
 
2012-06-26 02:48:15 PM
Sue the shiat out of them. Sue cops, hospitals, and pharmacies until the business cost of hiring these worthless pieces of human excrement is so great, they have no choice but to take their self-righteous and cruel morality and crawl back under the slimy rocks from whence they came.
 
2012-06-26 02:48:24 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


Yeah, this was my first reaction to the story as well. I guess the message is: Hey, rapists, if you're going to rape someone, maximize your chance of getting away with it by raping someone with a warrant outstanding, because they probably won't report it!
 
2012-06-26 02:48:55 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


Sadly, this happens a lot, not just with rape rape, but with abuse, robbery, and lots of other minor and sometimes major crimes. People don't come forward because they have a warrant, or they are on drugs, or they are here illegally, etc...
 
2012-06-26 02:49:46 PM

serial_crusher: If the guard doesn't want to dispense it, that's her right


If you cannot do your job because of your religious beliefs, either change your job or change your beliefs. Especially if you're in a position to administer medicine to people.

Saying "but my beliefs" isn't an excuse to not do the job you're being paid to do.
 
2012-06-26 02:52:46 PM

Aarontology: serial_crusher: If the guard doesn't want to dispense it, that's her right

If you cannot do your job because of your religious beliefs, either change your job or change your beliefs. Especially if you're in a position to administer medicine to people.

Saying "but my beliefs" isn't an excuse to not do the job you're being paid to do.


what part of

serial_crusher: but either the jail shouldn't leave her there alone or they should replace her with somebody who will do both.

did you not understand?
 
2012-06-26 02:54:05 PM
I'm glad she can sue, and I hope she wins. I also hope that guard is relieved of her job.
 
2012-06-26 02:54:13 PM

serial_crusher: did you not understand?


The part where you said "it's her right" is what I'm commenting on.
 
2012-06-26 02:55:44 PM
It is my religious belief that all inmates under my "care" should prove their love for God by sucking my schlong.
 
2012-06-26 02:57:07 PM

Aarontology: If you cannot do your job because of your religious beliefs, either change your job or change your beliefs. Especially if you're in a position to administer medicine to people.


There's not enough "this" in the world. How did we get to the situation where religions are allowed to dictate corporate/social/government policy?

If someone was working for, say, the Romney campaign and refused to make phone calls for Mitt because the Republican Party platform "violated their religious beliefs" as a Muslim, there's not a right-winger on this planet who would support them. "You do your job, or you get another one if you don't want to do it!" Right? So why is it suddenly OK for any religious nutcase to decide that they only want to do PART of their job, and that this should be a protected right?
 
2012-06-26 02:57:27 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


Why does it have to be either-or? Couldn't they help her about the rape and also make her serve the time for her warrant?
Or if that's not OK, what should the cooling down period be exactly? I think maybe next time I want to commit a crime and get away with it, I'll make sure I get raped shortly afterwards, then just go and confess. "Ha, you'll never touch me coppers! I was raped last night, shna!!"

/ Does the rape count as a substitute for time served? I mean, that's basically what happens in jail anyhow.
 
2012-06-26 02:58:21 PM

Aarontology: serial_crusher: did you not understand?

The part where you said "it's her right" is what I'm commenting on.


It's also the rape victim's right to not have the spawn of her attacker inside her. It's also the right of any prisoner to be able to take their prescribed medication.

It is NOT the right of anybody else to deny medical care to another human being, religion or not. Your beliefs do not trump my right to bodily autonomy.
 
2012-06-26 03:00:14 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail.


Didn't anyone tell you that rape, or any crime for that matter, is the victim's fault? Just ask ANY cop. You parked in a bad neighborhood, that's why your car was broken into. You wore a slutty red dress, that's why you were raped. You're old and unarmed, that's why you were so easily mugged. God forbid a cop actually help someone once in a while.
 
2012-06-26 03:10:31 PM

dahmers love zombie: There's not enough "this" in the world. How did we get to the situation where religions are allowed to dictate corporate/social/government policy?


When people started thinking religious freedom meant "I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want, to whomever I want and if I can't my rights are being violated"

I don't have any problems with reasonable accommodations being made but there are limits and one is when you are responsible for another human being.

The My Little Pony Killer: Your beliefs do not trump my right to bodily autonomy.


Bingo.
 
2012-06-26 03:12:05 PM
Hey, dumb c*nt, your fantasy life is irrelevant. Do you also not believe in gravity, that the Earth is round, and that organisms exist that you cannot see without a microscope?

F*ck you for adding to this woman's nightmare. I wish your make-believe fiery place really existed, so you could suffer there for eternity.
 
2012-06-26 03:13:08 PM

serial_crusher: Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.

Why does it have to be either-or? Couldn't they help her about the rape and also make her serve the time for her warrant?
Or if that's not OK, what should the cooling down period be exactly? I think maybe next time I want to commit a crime and get away with it, I'll make sure I get raped shortly afterwards, then just go and confess. "Ha, you'll never touch me coppers! I was raped last night, shna!!"

/ Does the rape count as a substitute for time served? I mean, that's basically what happens in jail anyhow.


The cops can enforce the warrant by whatever means they would've used to enforce it if the person hadn't fortuitiously presented herself to the cops to report a crime. When someone shows up at the cop station to report that they're a victim of a crime, the cops should take the report and be done with it. The cops weren't breaking the victim's door down the night before trying to enforce the warrant--maybe they were planning on doing it next week, and if so, then they should feel free to do it next week just as they were planning on doing before the victim showed up to report a crime. The fact that someone shows up at their station to report a crime shouldn't change anything, and shouldn't be used as an opportunity to throw the victim in jail.

It makes for really, really, bad public policy if the public feels they can turn to the cops for protection or report a crime only if they are completely model citizens who have never, ever done anything themselves that might be deemed a violation of some law.
 
2012-06-26 03:15:56 PM
FTFAA Tampa rape victim can sue the Hillsborough County Sheriff for allowing a jail guard to refuse to give her a prescribed emergency contraception pill because it was against the guard's religious beliefs, a federal judge ruled.

Fark you, FARK YOU with a thousand burning dicks you arrogant, knows-whats-best-for-everybody-else c*nt!

Not only does this send the wrong message to women about reporting a rape (getting locked up), but it shows that the State has total disregard for said rape victims.

That guard cannot be publicly shamed enough! Cherry picking aspects of your religion by which you choose to show dominion over those in your ward is incomprehensibly evil. I would really like to hear what this guard's Pastor, Rabbi, Imam or Spiritual Leader has to say about her chosen refusal to distribute medicine that a doctor prescribed.

Action or rather inaction like this is a slippery slope. What happens when the next ill informed, overly religious guard decides to believe their crazy preacher when it comes to schizophrenia not being a degenerative mental disorder, that can be managed by specific anti psychotic drugs, but merely a demonic possession and refuses to hand out the inmates prescribed drugs.
 
2012-06-26 03:19:46 PM

Endive Wombat: Not only does this send the wrong message to women about reporting a rape (getting locked up)


That was unrelated. She's an alleged criminal that happened to get raped.
 
2012-06-26 03:20:50 PM
So the fark out of them. You have no right to deny someone contraception, NONE you worthless holier than thou fundamentalists.
 
2012-06-26 03:24:32 PM

serial_crusher: If the guard doesn't want to dispense it, that's her right


You do not get to factor in religious beliefs when the function of your chosen profession deals with the general public. That's like saying you do not believe in the slaughter or processing of beef and you try to get a job at the meatpacking house...it doesn't make sense.
 
2012-06-26 03:28:23 PM
What if she was a Quaker and didn't believe in putting people in prison at all? That would be funny.

"I'm sorry, I can't process any prisoners today. My religion teaches the redemptive power of the holy spirit, we don't believe in putting people in cages."
 
2012-06-26 03:30:02 PM

serial_crusher: Aarontology: serial_crusher: If the guard doesn't want to dispense it, that's her right

If you cannot do your job because of your religious beliefs, either change your job or change your beliefs. Especially if you're in a position to administer medicine to people.

Saying "but my beliefs" isn't an excuse to not do the job you're being paid to do.

what part of
serial_crusher: but either the jail shouldn't leave her there alone or they should replace her with somebody who will do both.
did you not understand?


That's a cop out and you know it, and it's often unfulfilled. The poor oppressed Christians have demanded that and use it to deny people things they have no right to deny. There is no reason to deny someone contraception, none. It isn't your body and it's legal. To say your religion prevents you from giving contraception that you aren't using to someone else is pretty high up on the asshole scale.
 
2012-06-26 03:33:01 PM

serial_crusher: Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.

Why does it have to be either-or? Couldn't they help her about the rape and also make her serve the time for her warrant?
Or if that's not OK, what should the cooling down period be exactly? I think maybe next time I want to commit a crime and get away with it, I'll make sure I get raped shortly afterwards, then just go and confess. "Ha, you'll never touch me coppers! I was raped last night, shna!!"

/ Does the rape count as a substitute for time served? I mean, that's basically what happens in jail anyhow.


The rape does not count as a substitute for time served, but the cops could have chosen to not be dicks. They could have alerted the County Prosecutor/Judge about the special circumstances under which this woman is now in their custody and worked it out in a calm and collected manner.
 
2012-06-26 03:35:38 PM
a warrant is a warrant is a warrant. but yeah, denying a prescription is shiatty.
 
2012-06-26 03:35:46 PM
Is the jailer also sued as an individual? While it's nice to sue the sheriff's department because it's got the deeper pockets, I kind of want to see the jailer to be in the position where there's such a massive outstanding judgment against her that she will remain destitute for decades.
 
2012-06-26 03:40:57 PM

RexTalionis: Is the jailer also sued as an individual? While it's nice to sue the sheriff's department because it's got the deeper pockets, I kind of want to see the jailer to be in the position where there's such a massive outstanding judgment against her that she will remain destitute for decades.


I'm with you. Let her stand on a street corner and rely on Christian charity for her survival. No health care, either -- I don't believe in it for her, therefore she shouldn't have it.

For the record, I realize that this idiot does not represent most Christians, many of whom are probably cringing about this. (Maybe she's not even Christian.)
 
2012-06-26 03:41:11 PM
If the Sheriff fires the guard, you know the next lawsuit will be Spinelli v. Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office for violation of her civil right to religious freedom.
 
2012-06-26 03:41:57 PM

Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.


I suspect that if she had been rich, it wouldn't have been a problem. this is not a good time to be poor or have 'off white' color skin.
 
2012-06-26 03:45:59 PM

R.A.Danny: Endive Wombat: Not only does this send the wrong message to women about reporting a rape (getting locked up)

That was unrelated. She's an alleged criminal that happened to get raped.


Fair enough. But, don't you think that this sets an unhealthy precedent about the reporting of serious crimes? If folks are afraid to report a rape, key information to murder, or info about some other serious crime because they have a couple of outstanding parking tickets or warrants for nonviolent crimes, the justice system stagnates more than it currently does. Not to mention, it is really bad PR for the county, "sure, report a crime, you better be squeaky clean though, lest we lock yo azz up!"
 
2012-06-26 03:46:26 PM

RexTalionis: Is the jailer also sued as an individual? While it's nice to sue the sheriff's department because it's got the deeper pockets, I kind of want to see the jailer to be in the position where there's such a massive outstanding judgment against her that she will remain destitute for decades.




Depends.

If the victim can prove that the guard's actions were known by and approved of by her supervisor, then the dept gets screwed. If the department says "hell no, here's our policy, this douchebag violated her duties when she did this" then the guard isn't going to be protected.

They'll sue both, see who ends up paying out
 
2012-06-26 03:50:09 PM

Endive Wombat: R.A.Danny: Endive Wombat: Not only does this send the wrong message to women about reporting a rape (getting locked up)

That was unrelated. She's an alleged criminal that happened to get raped.

Fair enough. But, don't you think that this sets an unhealthy precedent about the reporting of serious crimes? If folks are afraid to report a rape, key information to murder, or info about some other serious crime because they have a couple of outstanding parking tickets or warrants for nonviolent crimes, the justice system stagnates more than it currently does. Not to mention, it is really bad PR for the county, "sure, report a crime, you better be squeaky clean though, lest we lock yo azz up!"


I see your point, but I don't see where being a victim of a crime, no matter how bad it may be, exonerates you for your past run ins with the law.

Of COURSE cops are gonna nail you when you report a crime, you're making them look bad and well, you're easy pickin's.
 
2012-06-26 03:56:22 PM

R.A.Danny: Of COURSE cops are gonna nail you when you report a crime, you're making them look bad and well, you're easy pickin's.


And that is the rub here. Also, as mentioned above by another farker, its not like the cops were actively looking for her the night/week before.

On the one hand, it is good for crime stats, in arresting those with warrants, on the other hand, it sends the wrong message to the community at large. I am not saying that reporting a crime exonerates you from your past transgressions, but police departments/prosecutors could use good PR, especially in the intercity.
 
2012-06-26 03:56:38 PM

R.A.Danny: Endive Wombat: R.A.Danny: Endive Wombat: Not only does this send the wrong message to women about reporting a rape (getting locked up)

That was unrelated. She's an alleged criminal that happened to get raped.

Fair enough. But, don't you think that this sets an unhealthy precedent about the reporting of serious crimes? If folks are afraid to report a rape, key information to murder, or info about some other serious crime because they have a couple of outstanding parking tickets or warrants for nonviolent crimes, the justice system stagnates more than it currently does. Not to mention, it is really bad PR for the county, "sure, report a crime, you better be squeaky clean though, lest we lock yo azz up!"

I see your point, but I don't see where being a victim of a crime, no matter how bad it may be, exonerates you for your past run ins with the law.

Of COURSE cops are gonna nail you when you report a crime, you're making them look bad and well, you're easy pickin's.



It was a bullsh*t failure to appear warrant, not a bench warrant for mass murder. They could have waited until she was physically stable, provided victim services, THEN arrest her. It's not like she was on the FBI's most wanted list.
 
2012-06-26 04:07:03 PM

R.A.Danny:

Of COURSE cops are gonna nail you when you report a crime, you're making them look bad and well, you're easy pickin's.


I hate to have to point this out but...we're a nation of LAWS, not a nation interested in justice. the rules say that if someone has a warrant, then you put them into a jail cell. rape victim, beating victim, just had their lives destroyed....it doesn't matter. the law says they go to jail and that's what the cops do. it's not right, and you and I might not like it very much but cops (some cops anyways) adhere to the letter of the law. they don't see any wriggle room, they see a victim who's got a bench warrant out on them, then they'll lock 'em up.

Now, if you're rich then you can probably have a quick turn around. you'll pay your fine, post bail or whatever and you'll be home and enjoying your post rape trauma and free psych meds in no time. But if you're poor, then you can expect to be spending quality time toughing out your post rape mental issues locked in general population, where you hopefully wont be victimized a second time by opportunistic guards and/or people on your cell block.

to be honest - most people just don't care. the assumption is that if you're in jail then you're guilty. And we don't care about what actually goes on behind those walls. we only care that people in there STAY in there, preferably where they can keep victimizing one another over and over again. we're kind of a sick, demented society when it comes to the concepts of guilt and punishment.
 
2012-06-26 04:33:03 PM

Weaver95: I hate to have to point this out but...we're a nation of LAWS, not a nation interested in justice. the rules say that if someone has a warrant, then you put them into a jail cell. rape victim, beating victim, just had their lives destroyed....it doesn't matter. the law says they go to jail and that's what the cops do. it's not right, and you and I might not like it very much but cops (some cops anyways) adhere to the letter of the law. they don't see any wriggle room, they see a victim who's got a bench warrant out on them, then they'll lock 'em up.


The issue is that we've criminalized much of our society. We should not be criminalizing people for civil offenses, even if they do not pay the fines for those offenses.

We've created a system by which a significant portion of local revenue is derived from traffic tickets, parking tickets, civil penalties and whatnot. If you want to live in a town like that so they can keep taxes low, that's fine. But you can do that without criminalizing your population. Someone doesn't pay their parking tickets? Put a lien on their car. Sell the debt to bill collector. Don't use your police force as a f*cking debt collection agency.

A person should be hauled in only if the warrant is for a felony or if they are an active threat to the peace and safety of the community. Otherwise use financial pressure to enforce compliance.
 
2012-06-26 04:39:16 PM

serial_crusher: She ended up not getting pregnant anyhow, so no harm no foul.


I think there was plenty of harm and plenty of foul, pregnancy or no pregnancy.
 
2012-06-26 04:40:54 PM

serial_crusher: Make the sheriff change their policy, but don't give the victim any money.


Making taxpayers pay for the stupidity of such policies is one way to get them to change those policies.
 
2012-06-26 04:46:46 PM

serial_crusher: Make the sheriff change their policy, but don't give the victim any money.


The municipality argued that it wasn't a policy - the deputy acted on her own. So the municipality wasn't liable.

The court ruled bullshiat on that, but it doesn't change the fact that there isn't a policy to change.
 
2012-06-26 04:47:19 PM

doyner: Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.

This.

Tough on crime + war on women.


Conveniently, neither of which actually require any thought on the part of the participant.
 
2012-06-26 04:49:27 PM

Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Make the sheriff change their policy, but don't give the victim any money.

The municipality argued that it wasn't a policy - the deputy acted on her own. So the municipality wasn't liable.

The court ruled bullshiat on that, but it doesn't change the fact that there isn't a policy to change.


The policy needs to be "you don't get to decide what is part of your job description based on your religious beliefs."

And that policy needs to be in place everywhere in the US.
 
2012-06-26 04:50:21 PM
She ended up not getting pregnant anyhow, so no harm no foul.

Most rapes don't end in pregnancy, for a number of reasons, but one being that the woman's body and mind are so traumatized.
 
2012-06-26 05:03:26 PM

Cyberluddite: serial_crusher: Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.

Why does it have to be either-or? Couldn't they help her about the rape and also make her serve the time for her warrant?
Or if that's not OK, what should the cooling down period be exactly? I think maybe next time I want to commit a crime and get away with it, I'll make sure I get raped shortly afterwards, then just go and confess. "Ha, you'll never touch me coppers! I was raped last night, shna!!"

/ Does the rape count as a substitute for time served? I mean, that's basically what happens in jail anyhow.

The cops can enforce the warrant by whatever means they would've used to enforce it if the person hadn't fortuitiously presented herself to the cops to report a crime. When someone shows up at the cop station to report that they're a victim of a crime, the cops should take the report and be done with it. The cops weren't breaking the victim's door down the night before trying to enforce the warrant--maybe they were planning on doing it next week, and if so, then they should feel free to do it next week just as they were planning on doing before the victim showed up to report a crime. The fact that someone shows up at their station to report a crime shouldn't change anything, and shouldn't be used as an opportunity to throw the victim in jail.

It makes for really, really, bad public policy if the public feels they can turn to the cops for protection or report a crime only if they are completely model citizens who have never, ever done anything themselves that might be deemed a violation of some law.


So, hypothetically there's a serial killer on the loose, but he's been living in hiding so the only reason you haven't arrested him is that you haven't found him yet. Dude walks into your police station to report his car being broken into. You'd take his statement and let him go?

Obviously we're not talking about a serial killer, but if we start giving the police leeway to use their own judgment about which warrants should or should not be served, they might also start using their own judgment to determine what medicines they should have to distribute...
 
2012-06-26 05:23:12 PM

Cyberluddite: serial_crusher: Gwendolyn: I know that is not the point of the article but I'm very concerned that instead of helping a rape victim the police decide to arrest her and throw her in jail. I know that she had a warrant out for her arrest but god damn think about what message that sends to people about reporting rape in the future. One shouldn't have to wonder about the possibility of unpaid parking tickets not top of being raped.

Why does it have to be either-or? Couldn't they help her about the rape and also make her serve the time for her warrant?
Or if that's not OK, what should the cooling down period be exactly? I think maybe next time I want to commit a crime and get away with it, I'll make sure I get raped shortly afterwards, then just go and confess. "Ha, you'll never touch me coppers! I was raped last night, shna!!"

/ Does the rape count as a substitute for time served? I mean, that's basically what happens in jail anyhow.

The cops can enforce the warrant by whatever means they would've used to enforce it if the person hadn't fortuitiously presented herself to the cops to report a crime. When someone shows up at the cop station to report that they're a victim of a crime, the cops should take the report and be done with it. The cops weren't breaking the victim's door down the night before trying to enforce the warrant--maybe they were planning on doing it next week, and if so, then they should feel free to do it next week just as they were planning on doing before the victim showed up to report a crime. The fact that someone shows up at their station to report a crime shouldn't change anything, and shouldn't be used as an opportunity to throw the victim in jail.

It makes for really, really, bad public policy if the public feels they can turn to the cops for protection or report a crime only if they are completely model citizens who have never, ever done anything themselves that might be deemed a violation of some law. don't have a warrant out for their arrest


FTFY
 
2012-06-26 05:27:27 PM

vernonFL: She ended up not getting pregnant anyhow, so no harm no foul.

Most rapes don't end in pregnancy, for a number of reasons, but one being that the woman's body and mind are so traumatized.


Are you telling me that SVU does not accurately reflect reality?
 
2012-06-26 05:32:41 PM
I don't think this site is credible. That is all
 
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