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(BBC)   EU: 'So, we're ready to discuss your country joining the EU.' Montenegro: 'Wait, aren't you in the middle of collapsing?' EU: 'Montenegro, please'   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 92
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2012-06-26 12:44:43 PM  
sure, let another couple failed states into the union. THEY wont need a bailout.
bhwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

how about getting rid of state banks.
 
2012-06-26 01:10:43 PM  

namatad: sure, let another couple failed states into the union. THEY wont need a bailout.
bhwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

how about getting rid of state banks.


They need more countries to loan to, apparently.
 
2012-06-26 01:25:12 PM  
Subby realizes, of course, that not all members of the EU have adopted the Euro, yes?

/What am I saying? Of course Subby doesn't.
 
2012-06-26 01:47:47 PM  
The more I read about "problems" in the "financial sector", the more I think that we need to nuke the financial sector and go back to savings and loans.

These people are clearly doing more harm than good.
Stock Market for investing capital? fine. Institute a transaction tax to stop day trading and the rest of the short term investment.

glass steagall act? click, it is back. sucks to be you, you have 1 year to split your company up.

too big to fail? no problem. split you into pieces which are 1/5th the threshold.
there. you are small enough to fail.

or we can let the "financial sector" continue to lie, cheat and steal.
 
2012-06-26 01:49:52 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby realizes, of course, that not all members of the EU have adopted the Euro, yes?

/What am I saying? Of course Subby doesn't.


imagine if we used chicago dollars to buy California produce?
Yah, the EU went with the wishy-washy sorta kinda union. LOL
and they WONDER why they are having the problems that they are having now??
LOLOLOLOL

/at least the euro will become a case study of HOW NOT to create a common currency.
/africa? south asia? are you paying attention????
 
2012-06-26 02:04:45 PM  

namatad: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby realizes, of course, that not all members of the EU have adopted the Euro, yes?

/What am I saying? Of course Subby doesn't.

imagine if we used chicago dollars to buy California produce?
Yah, the EU went with the wishy-washy sorta kinda union. LOL
and they WONDER why they are having the problems that they are having now??
LOLOLOLOL

/at least the euro will become a case study of HOW NOT to create a common currency.
/africa? south asia? are you paying attention????


Actually, while the common currency is fine, the issue is more than the current EU is replicating the same mistakes that eventually made the Articles of Confederation untenable.
 
2012-06-26 02:16:18 PM  

namatad: sure, let another couple failed states into the union. THEY wont need a bailout.
bhwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

how about getting rid of state banks.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!

No they won't because they won't be part of the Eurozone.

Bwahahaha! U so funny when you think you understand things :D
 
2012-06-26 02:16:52 PM  
Excellent headline.
 
2012-06-26 02:18:08 PM  
I have been to Montenegro, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
Slu
2012-06-26 02:19:25 PM  
Loved the headline.
 
2012-06-26 02:19:42 PM  
+1 subby.
 
2012-06-26 02:21:08 PM  

The_Sponge: I have been to Montenegro, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.


"Montenegro" is one of the best movies ever made. EVER.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:14 PM  
EU =/= Euro subtard.

The EU can easily survive even the Euro completely collapse, just like it and its predecessors existed and survived for several decades before the Euro was created.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:18 PM  
NOOOOOOOOO! If Montenegro joins, the first thing the Euro-Wienies will do is make them shut down Demonoid.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:36 PM  
Matnregu PLS
 
2012-06-26 02:26:49 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Actually, while the common currency is fine, the issue is more than the current EU is replicating the same mistakes that eventually made the Articles of Confederation untenable.


And while the US figured out 223 years ago that they had to renegotiate the former Articles into what became the Constitution, the EU is refusing to either give the ECB the powers or the mandate to settle the markets or to give its member nations the power to counteract the recession, because "that would violate the treaty!"
 
2012-06-26 02:28:29 PM  
What you did there subby....I see it
 
2012-06-26 02:29:13 PM  
Montenegro has no reason to exist as an independent nation, much less part of the EU.

Podgorica is the WORST CAPITOL TOWN ever. I choose to drive straight to Albania.

ALBANIA.
 
2012-06-26 02:33:14 PM  
In the Argonne Forest I took two machine-gun detachments so far forward that there was a half mile gap on either side of us where the infantry couldn't advance. We stayed there two days and two nights, a hundred and thirty men with sixteen Lewis guns, and when the infantry came up at last they found the insignia of three German divisions among the piles of dead. I was promoted to be a major, and every Allied government gave me a decoration - even Montenegro, little Montenegro down on the Adriatic Sea!
 
2012-06-26 02:33:23 PM  
Lol
 
2012-06-26 02:33:38 PM  

namatad: The more I read about "problems" in the "financial sector", the more I think that we need to nuke the financial sector and go back to savings and loans.

These people are clearly doing more harm than good.
Stock Market for investing capital? fine. Institute a transaction tax to stop day trading and the rest of the short term investment.

glass steagall act? click, it is back. sucks to be you, you have 1 year to split your company up.

too big to fail? no problem. split you into pieces which are 1/5th the threshold.
there. you are small enough to fail.

or we can let the "financial sector" continue to lie, cheat and steal.


This guy for president 2012.
 
2012-06-26 02:34:26 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: namatad: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby realizes, of course, that not all members of the EU have adopted the Euro, yes?

/What am I saying? Of course Subby doesn't.

imagine if we used chicago dollars to buy California produce?
Yah, the EU went with the wishy-washy sorta kinda union. LOL
and they WONDER why they are having the problems that they are having now??
LOLOLOLOL

/at least the euro will become a case study of HOW NOT to create a common currency.
/africa? south asia? are you paying attention????

Actually, while the common currency is fine, the issue is more than the current EU is replicating the same mistakes that eventually made the Articles of Confederation untenable.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-26 02:34:34 PM  

namatad: how about getting rid of state banks.


How about you try to have the faintest understanding of what you're talking about instead of posting ignorant gibberish?
 
2012-06-26 02:34:51 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: namatad: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby realizes, of course, that not all members of the EU have adopted the Euro, yes?

/What am I saying? Of course Subby doesn't.

imagine if we used chicago dollars to buy California produce?
Yah, the EU went with the wishy-washy sorta kinda union. LOL
and they WONDER why they are having the problems that they are having now??
LOLOLOLOL

/at least the euro will become a case study of HOW NOT to create a common currency.
/africa? south asia? are you paying attention????

Actually, while the common currency is fine, the issue is more than the current EU is replicating the same mistakes that eventually made the Articles of Confederation untenable.


I think you're both saying the same thing: without a strong central authority to back up the debts of the member states and to issue credit of its own, your currency is bound to fail.
 
2012-06-26 02:34:52 PM  
As I have in the past, I maintain that the EU and indeed the world is evolving into a single economic and political entity.

A new world order is coming and we are sleepwalking into it

We will either see the end of democracy and total global unification to maintain the status quo sold to us as the only way to return to the previous living standards in the developed world. The entire system collapses taking us back to the dark ages from which will arise very quickly a solution, which will be the end of democracy and total global unification sold for the same reasons as above because European integration won't go far enough to provide long term stability-a New World Order; with the global unification being in the form of a carve up between like minded 'worthy' people
 
2012-06-26 02:35:56 PM  
You want me in your union?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-26 02:37:34 PM  

MrEricSir: namatad: how about getting rid of state banks.

How about you try to have the faintest understanding of what you're talking about instead of posting ignorant gibberish?


How about try and post an argument or some information instead of insults.
 
2012-06-26 02:40:04 PM  

Moonlightfox: namatad: The more I read about "problems" in the "financial sector", the more I think that we need to nuke the financial sector and go back to savings and loans.

These people are clearly doing more harm than good.
Stock Market for investing capital? fine. Institute a transaction tax to stop day trading and the rest of the short term investment.

glass steagall act? click, it is back. sucks to be you, you have 1 year to split your company up.

too big to fail? no problem. split you into pieces which are 1/5th the threshold.
there. you are small enough to fail.

or we can let the "financial sector" continue to lie, cheat and steal.

This guy for president 2012.


================

Seconded.
 
2012-06-26 02:41:16 PM  
FTFA: Last month the European Commission reported that Montenegro had made progress towards meeting EU standards, especially in the area of rule of law and fundamental rights.

And you'll see that they will be able to join the month they reached the standards instead of the logical "let's see you keep those standards for 5 years before we decide." And a few days after they joined the varnish will begin to peel, the trash will burst out of the closets and the nice clean bill of health will be shown to be the fraud that it is.
 
2012-06-26 02:43:05 PM  

Moonlightfox: namatad: The more I read about "problems" in the "financial sector", the more I think that we need to nuke the financial sector and go back to savings and loans.

These people are clearly doing more harm than good.
Stock Market for investing capital? fine. Institute a transaction tax to stop day trading and the rest of the short term investment.

glass steagall act? click, it is back. sucks to be you, you have 1 year to split your company up.

too big to fail? no problem. split you into pieces which are 1/5th the threshold.
there. you are small enough to fail.

or we can let the "financial sector" continue to lie, cheat and steal.

This guy for president 2012.


Agreed. We should relocate the Financial Sector to the Gamma Quadrant. Kick the Ferengei out of the Federation.
 
2012-06-26 02:46:01 PM  
I had no idea there was a country called Montenegro before reading this article.

/ignorant American
 
2012-06-26 02:47:28 PM  
yes, there are black mounties
 
2012-06-26 02:47:33 PM  
How wrong is it that the only thing I associate with Montenegro is a co-star of Troy McClure?
 
2012-06-26 02:49:04 PM  
Montenegro? Isn't that where Nero Wolfe came from before he moved to New York and moved in with Archie and Fritz ?
 
2012-06-26 02:49:17 PM  

Moonlightfox: How about try and post an argument or some information instead of insults.


Why bother? If he wanted to read about this and understand the issues at hand, he'd be doing that. I'm not going to waste my time restating something he's not going to read anyway.
 
2012-06-26 02:50:51 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

They sure have some typical ugly east-European type buildings there.
 
2012-06-26 02:53:32 PM  

DerAppie: FTFA: Last month the European Commission reported that Montenegro had made progress towards meeting EU standards, especially in the area of rule of law and fundamental rights.

And you'll see that they will be able to join the month they reached the standards instead of the logical "let's see you keep those standards for 5 years before we decide." And a few days after they joined the varnish will begin to peel, the trash will burst out of the closets and the nice clean bill of health will be shown to be the fraud that it is.


It took 6 years of negotiation for Croatia and Montenegro just beginning that stage. There's 33 chapters that have to be screened then opened and then closed and right now Montenegro has just 2 chapters that are just starting the screening stage. Turkey was screening chapters back in 2005 and they've only closed 1 of the 33 chapters, the really easy science and research one. Even very westernized Iceland which started screening in 2010 has only been able to close 10 chapters.
 
2012-06-26 02:53:49 PM  

spawn73: [upload.wikimedia.org image 320x211]

They sure have some typical ugly east-European type buildings there.


==============

I know you've never been to Coney Island.
 
2012-06-26 02:54:50 PM  
I'm not one of them super slick business guys who knows about stocks and 'the market' and talks about currencies and what they are worth....

But I don't really understand the whole, 'The Euro Is Dying' thing.

Right now - 1 Euro = 1.24 USD
One year ago - 1 Euro = 1.4 USD
Two years ago - 1 Euro = 1.25 USD
Three years ago - 1 Euro = 1.39 USD
Four years ago - 1 Euro = 1.54 USD
Five years ago - 1 Euro = 1.30 USD
Six years ago - 1 Euro = 1.23 USD
Seven years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Eight years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Nine years ago - 1 Euro = .98 USD
Ten years ago - 1 Euro = .87 USD

There has been a lot of up and down recently; but looking at it with some perspective - if the Euro was fine 10 years ago at .87 USD - why should I flip out because the Euro is only 1.24 USD now?
 
2012-06-26 02:55:17 PM  
That's a plusser +1 there subby
 
2012-06-26 02:56:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-26 02:57:07 PM  
I'll have to throw my own agreement in there in reference to the EU working through their 'articles of confederation' moment.

The crux remains this: Will they have the fortitude to forge through it, remake the EU into a true 'Union' as the U.S. did, or will they fall apart into their disparate parts again?

I can tell you this much: The U.S. benefits if they fall apart.
 
2012-06-26 03:00:32 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not one of them super slick business guys who knows about stocks and 'the market' and talks about currencies and what they are worth....

But I don't really understand the whole, 'The Euro Is Dying' thing.

Right now - 1 Euro = 1.24 USD
One year ago - 1 Euro = 1.4 USD
Two years ago - 1 Euro = 1.25 USD
Three years ago - 1 Euro = 1.39 USD
Four years ago - 1 Euro = 1.54 USD
Five years ago - 1 Euro = 1.30 USD
Six years ago - 1 Euro = 1.23 USD
Seven years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Eight years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Nine years ago - 1 Euro = .98 USD
Ten years ago - 1 Euro = .87 USD

There has been a lot of up and down recently; but looking at it with some perspective - if the Euro was fine 10 years ago at .87 USD - why should I flip out because the Euro is only 1.24 USD now?


It's more about working through debt and deficit issues. Mostly it's politics endangering it, not hard math - it can pretty easily survive if they just get to fixing it.
 
2012-06-26 03:08:01 PM  
namatad

too big to fail? no problem. split you into pieces which are 1/5th the threshold.
there. you are small enough to fail.


Wait, does that include auto manufacturers too? Would 'too big to fail' apply to companies employing unionized workers? Nawwwww
 
2012-06-26 03:10:41 PM  
Montenegro is already on the Euro. They unilaterally adopted the German Mark years ago, and then replaced it with the Euro when the Mark ceased to exist.

They're not officially in the Eurozone, though, which basically means they don't get a seat at the decision-making table.

I wonder what they'll make Montenegro do to be an official member, since every other country has to prove they're responsible enough to use the grown-up china before they're allowed to put away the sippy cup (how Greece got in I'll never know).
 
2012-06-26 03:12:59 PM  

LasersHurt: Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not one of them super slick business guys who knows about stocks and 'the market' and talks about currencies and what they are worth....

But I don't really understand the whole, 'The Euro Is Dying' thing.

Right now - 1 Euro = 1.24 USD
One year ago - 1 Euro = 1.4 USD
Two years ago - 1 Euro = 1.25 USD
Three years ago - 1 Euro = 1.39 USD
Four years ago - 1 Euro = 1.54 USD
Five years ago - 1 Euro = 1.30 USD
Six years ago - 1 Euro = 1.23 USD
Seven years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Eight years ago - 1 Euro = 1.20 USD
Nine years ago - 1 Euro = .98 USD
Ten years ago - 1 Euro = .87 USD

There has been a lot of up and down recently; but looking at it with some perspective - if the Euro was fine 10 years ago at .87 USD - why should I flip out because the Euro is only 1.24 USD now?

It's more about working through debt and deficit issues. Mostly it's politics endangering it, not hard math - it can pretty easily survive if they just get to fixing it.


It's financial issues that are rooted in local custom, as well.

The Greeks treat tax evasion like it's a national sport, you know. That's a big part of the reason they've had so many issues. If they'd stop treating taxes like they're optional, then they'd see a lot more revenue coming in, but their societal view on taxes is very different than a German's view on taxes would be.

In short, it's growing pains. The EU has a chance of becoming a 'true' superpower if they can soldier through the hard parts.
 
2012-06-26 03:13:29 PM  

12349876: DerAppie: FTFA: Last month the European Commission reported that Montenegro had made progress towards meeting EU standards, especially in the area of rule of law and fundamental rights.

And you'll see that they will be able to join the month they reached the standards instead of the logical "let's see you keep those standards for 5 years before we decide." And a few days after they joined the varnish will begin to peel, the trash will burst out of the closets and the nice clean bill of health will be shown to be the fraud that it is.

It took 6 years of negotiation for Croatia and Montenegro just beginning that stage. There's 33 chapters that have to be screened then opened and then closed and right now Montenegro has just 2 chapters that are just starting the screening stage. Turkey was screening chapters back in 2005 and they've only closed 1 of the 33 chapters, the really easy science and research one. Even very westernized Iceland which started screening in 2010 has only been able to close 10 chapters.


Is this an Axis Powers Hetalia reference or something?
 
2012-06-26 03:16:05 PM  
I'll bet Turkey is despondent that it didn't get admitted to the EU.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-26 03:19:03 PM  

Bondith: Montenegro is already on the Euro. They unilaterally adopted the German Mark years ago, and then replaced it with the Euro when the Mark ceased to exist.

They're not officially in the Eurozone, though, which basically means they don't get a seat at the decision-making table.

I wonder what they'll make Montenegro do to be an official member, since every other country has to prove they're responsible enough to use the grown-up china before they're allowed to put away the sippy cup (how Greece got in I'll never know).


Lied, obviously...
 
2012-06-26 03:22:06 PM  
Let the banks fail. Didn't Finland do that?.
 
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