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(Major League Baseball)   Chicago's Adrian Cardenas hit a pop up that landed only inches in front of home plate. Watch as the Mets turn it into a triple   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 62
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2012-06-26 12:23:07 PM
Uh-oh, Rexy, I don't think this one has the dis-- WHAT THE F*CK?!?
 
2012-06-26 12:25:31 PM
The worst thing about that inning was the fact that it happened not once, but TWICE.
 
2012-06-26 12:29:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The worst thing about that inning was the fact that it happened not once, but TWICE.


Yup. Two three-base errors in one inning. The Mets just didn't have it last night.
 
2012-06-26 12:50:16 PM
OK, so wait a minute here. I watched this clip a few times, and it never appeared to me that it actually touched Wright's glove, or any other part of him. So it looked to me that the ball landed in fair territory without being touched by any player, and then immediately rolled into foul territory in the infield--still without being touched by any defensive player--which should make it a foul ball.

Obviously, I'm watching it as a tiny image rather than as a full-size high-res image, so I can't see it well, but did the ball actually touch Wright's glove before landing and rolling foul? (I know the announcers said he "dropped" it, but it didn't look that way to me.)
 
2012-06-26 12:54:54 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, so wait a minute here. I watched this clip a few times, and it never appeared to me that it actually touched Wright's glove, or any other part of him. So it looked to me that the ball landed in fair territory without being touched by any player, and then immediately rolled into foul territory in the infield--still without being touched by any defensive player--which should make it a foul ball.

Obviously, I'm watching it as a tiny image rather than as a full-size high-res image, so I can't see it well, but did the ball actually touch Wright's glove before landing and rolling foul? (I know the announcers said he "dropped" it, but it didn't look that way to me.)


I watched the full screen slow-motion replay and it definitely did touch Wright's glove.
 
2012-06-26 12:54:59 PM

Cyberluddite: Obviously, I'm watching it as a tiny image rather than as a full-size high-res image, so I can't see it well, but did the ball actually touch Wright's glove before landing and rolling foul?


Yes it did, the very last replay finally shows it best. I was thinking the same thing.
 
2012-06-26 12:55:26 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, so wait a minute here. I watched this clip a few times, and it never appeared to me that it actually touched Wright's glove, or any other part of him. So it looked to me that the ball landed in fair territory without being touched by any player, and then immediately rolled into foul territory in the infield--still without being touched by any defensive player--which should make it a foul ball.

Obviously, I'm watching it as a tiny image rather than as a full-size high-res image, so I can't see it well, but did the ball actually touch Wright's glove before landing and rolling foul? (I know the announcers said he "dropped" it, but it didn't look that way to me.)


Yeah, that looked odd to me as well, but I think it glanced off his glove. The fact that none of the Mets seemed to react like the "fair" call was incorrect probably lends to that idea as well.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I watched the full screen slow-motion replay and it definitely did touch Wright's glove.


DeltaPunch: Yes it did, the very last replay finally shows it best. I was thinking the same thing.


OK, good. It was a big enough brain fart by the Mets, and it would've made it worse if the ump had let out a similar sized brain fart at the same time.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:42 PM
Does anybody else think Darwin Barney looks like Derek Jeter? He kinda has the same attitude, too.

Anyway, here's all three Mets' errors in the 7th inning, for seven combined bases and two unearned runs. Yikes.
 
2012-06-26 01:00:20 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, good. It was a big enough brain fart by the Mets, and it would've made it worse if the ump had let out a similar sized brain fart at the same time.


The ump also emphatically calls it fair which suggests that he actually saw/heard the ball hit glove and didn't just guess.
 
2012-06-26 01:01:02 PM
First, subby: The Mets didn't turn it into a "triple". They turned it into a "reached on error". The batter doesn't get credit for a triple if the defense just kicks around a short pop-up.

cameroncrazy1984: The worst thing about that inning was the fact that it happened not once, but TWICE.


Here's how the inning started according to mlb.com:

1.Adrian Cardenas reaches on fielding error by third baseman David Wright. Adrian Cardenas to 3rd.
2.Reed Johnson strikes out swinging.
3.Darwin Barney reaches on fielding error by right fielder Lucas Duda. Adrian Cardenas scores. Darwin Barney to 3rd.
4.Starlin Castro reaches on fielding error by second baseman Ronny Cedeno. Darwin Barney scores.
5.Alfonso Soriano walks. Starlin Castro to 2nd.


That's crazy. I mean, how did Alfonso Soriano draw a walk?
 
2012-06-26 01:02:26 PM
BTW, Subby, the Mets didn't "turn it into a triple." They turned it into a three-base error. The hitter is not credited with a triple in that AB--it's treated the same as an out in his batting stats.
 
2012-06-26 01:08:51 PM

DeltaPunch: Does anybody else think Darwin Barney looks like Derek Jeter? He kinda has the same attitude, too.

Anyway, here's all three Mets' errors in the 7th inning, for seven combined bases and two unearned runs. Yikes.


It actually ended up being four unearned runs in total. The Cubs scored two more runs later in the inning, after the Mets got over whatever affliction suddenly struck them. Bad times.
 
2012-06-26 01:15:29 PM
Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?

Did Jose Canseco turn a deep fly ball into a HR with his head, or did he commit a 4-base error?
 
2012-06-26 01:22:13 PM

FreakinB: The Cubs scored two more runs later in the inning, after the Mets got over whatever affliction suddenly struck them.


I think that particular affliction is referred to as Being the Mets.
 
2012-06-26 01:35:32 PM

exick: FreakinB: The Cubs scored two more runs later in the inning, after the Mets got over whatever affliction suddenly struck them.

I think that particular affliction is referred to as Being the Mets.


HA ha ha...I'm not saying they're worldbeaters but they do have a winning record right now.
 
2012-06-26 01:42:05 PM

DeltaPunch: Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?


Yes. I can assure you that there are quite a few people out there who would seriously refer to that as a "triple." These tend to be the same people who say the runner scores a "point" for his team when he crosses "home base."
 
2012-06-26 01:47:11 PM

Cyberluddite: DeltaPunch: Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?

Yes. I can assure you that there are quite a few people out there who would seriously refer to that as a "triple." These tend to be the same people who say the runner scores a "point" for his team when he crosses "home base."


... or the same people that dust off their Yankees caps whenever they find out they're in the WS again.

/ducks
 
2012-06-26 01:49:43 PM

chimp_ninja: 1.Adrian Cardenas reaches on fielding error by third baseman David Wright. Adrian Cardenas to 3rd.
2.Reed Johnson strikes out swinging.
3.Darwin Barney reaches on fielding error by right fielder Lucas Duda. Adrian Cardenas scores. Darwin Barney to 3rd.
4.Starlin Castro reaches on fielding error by second baseman Ronny Cedeno. Darwin Barney scores.
5.Alfonso Soriano walks. Starlin Castro to 2nd.


Which means the Pirates first inning somehow wasn't the worst defensive performance last night. Maybe.

J Rollins doubled to right.
J Pierre sacrificed to pitcher, J Rollins to third.
H Pence singled to right, J Rollins scored.
C Ruiz singled to right, H Pence to second, H Pence to third, C Ruiz to second on throwing error by third baseman P Alvarez.H Pence scored, C Ruiz to third on throwing error by right fielder J Tabata.
S Victorino singled to center, C Ruiz scored.
P Polanco singled to right, S Victorino to third, S Victorino scored, P Polanco to second on throwing error by right fielder J Tabata.
T Wigginton struck out swinging.
M Fontenot struck out swinging.
 
2012-06-26 02:10:29 PM

DeltaPunch: ... or the same people that dust off their Yankees caps whenever they find out they're in the WS again.


My friend was at the Mets/Yankees game on Sunday night with a bunch of people. He was sitting in a section with an obnoxious female Yankee "fan" who kept trying to talk trash with the Met fans. He simply asked her questions like "Who was yesterday's starting pitcher?" and "Who's playing first base?" She obviously shut up after that.
 
2012-06-26 02:16:25 PM
I'd have made the third baseman do pushups till his arms fell off for not getting under that popup and trying a basket catch.

JC
 
2012-06-26 02:18:34 PM

Cyberluddite: DeltaPunch: Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?

Yes. I can assure you that there are quite a few people out there who would seriously refer to that as a "triple." These tend to be the same people who say the runner scores a "point" for his team when he crosses "home base."


1. "Triple" is much easier to say than a three-word, four syllable phrase.

2. Most people don't care if this is technically incorrect, even if they know.

3. You two should form a support group for baseball fans offended by incorrect terms.
 
2012-06-26 02:19:13 PM

DeltaPunch: Did Jose Canseco turn a deep fly ball into a HR with his head, or did he commit a 4-base error?


Is this a serious question? I honestly can't tell any more.

It was a HR. Rule 6.09(h):

Any fair fly ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over the fence into foul territory, in which case the batter shall be entitled to advance to second base; but if deflected into the stands or over the fence in fair territory, the batter shall be entitled to a home run. However, should such a fair fly be deflected at a point less than 250 feet from home plate, the batter shall be entitled to two bases only.
 
2012-06-26 02:21:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: She obviously shut up after that.


My friend, you tragically underestimate Yankees fans if you think that getting them to shut up is ever an obvious thing.
 
2012-06-26 02:23:57 PM

DeWayne Mann: Is this a serious question?


No it wasn't, but thanks nevertheless for dropping some MLB rulebook into the thread ;) It's amazing how many people argue about things that can just be looked up.
 
2012-06-26 02:24:12 PM

DeltaPunch: cameroncrazy1984: She obviously shut up after that.

My friend, you tragically underestimate Yankees fans if you think that getting them to shut up is ever an obvious thing.


Ha, touche.

I think the Mets will do alright this year if they can get their bullpen in order and try to score runs with less than two out.

Also for the love of God keep Jason Bay out of the lineup.
 
2012-06-26 02:24:59 PM

FreakinB: cameroncrazy1984: The worst thing about that inning was the fact that it happened not once, but TWICE.

Yup. Two three-base errors in one inning. The Mets just didn't have it last night.


And here I've been frustrated because the Mariners haven't been able to score for the last 2 games...

That's just...ouch.
 
2012-06-26 02:25:37 PM

DeltaPunch: DeWayne Mann: Is this a serious question?

No it wasn't, but thanks nevertheless for dropping some MLB rulebook into the thread ;) It's amazing how many people argue about things that can just be looked up.


Ok, good. I didn't THINK it was, but I've been sorta sick/tired the last few days and I don't trust my sarcasm meter at all.
 
2012-06-26 02:29:59 PM

DeltaPunch: Does anybody else think Darwin Barney looks like Derek Jeter? He kinda has the same attitude, too.

Anyway, here's all three Mets' errors in the 7th inning, for seven combined bases and two unearned runs. Yikes.


Thanks for posting that
 
2012-06-26 02:33:16 PM

SkittlesAreYum: Cyberluddite: DeltaPunch: Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?

Yes. I can assure you that there are quite a few people out there who would seriously refer to that as a "triple." These tend to be the same people who say the runner scores a "point" for his team when he crosses "home base."

1. "Triple" is much easier to say than a three-word, four syllable phrase.

2. Most people don't care if this is technically incorrect, even if they know.

3. You two should form a support group for baseball fans offended by incorrect terms.


Thanks. I was going to do that and now don't have to. +internets.
 
2012-06-26 02:33:32 PM

SkittlesAreYum: Cyberluddite: DeltaPunch: Do people actually think that subby actually thinks that the Cubs hit a triple?!?

Yes. I can assure you that there are quite a few people out there who would seriously refer to that as a "triple." These tend to be the same people who say the runner scores a "point" for his team when he crosses "home base."

1. "Triple" is much easier to say than a three-word, four syllable phrase.

2. Most people don't care if this is technically incorrect, even if they know.

3. You two should form a support group for baseball fans offended by incorrect terms.


I'm now waiting for:
SkittlesAreYum: I done think this begs a question, irregardless: Is there fans learning?

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2012-06-26 02:49:04 PM

chimp_ninja:
WARNING: This post contains more than three syllables, which is known to the State of Minnesota to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Electrolytes not included.

WARNING: The aforementioned warning itself contains more than three syllables, which is known to the State of Minnesota to cause infinite warning recursion.


Minnesota has 4 syllables...
 
2012-06-26 03:20:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: DeltaPunch: Did Jose Canseco turn a deep fly ball into a HR with his head, or did he commit a 4-base error?

Is this a serious question? I honestly can't tell any more.

It was a HR. Rule 6.09(h):

Any fair fly ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over the fence into foul territory, in which case the batter shall be entitled to advance to second base; but if deflected into the stands or over the fence in fair territory, the batter shall be entitled to a home run. However, should such a fair fly be deflected at a point less than 250 feet from home plate, the batter shall be entitled to two bases only.


It's an interesting question, at least a little.

A guy on the Braves (Charles Thomas, maybe?) once went to catch a Jason Michaels line drive (or maybe it was the other way around) about ten feet in from the warning track. The ball hit his glove and bounced out, and as he swiped to catch it, he knocked it about 20 feet over the fence.

It's a home run, but whether or not there's an error is a question I've never considered. I guess the rule says there isn't. But it's strange that there'd be no error on such a play where the ball should be caught, and just dropping it would be an error.
 
2012-06-26 03:21:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: DeltaPunch: ... or the same people that dust off their Yankees caps whenever they find out they're in the WS again.

My friend was at the Mets/Yankees game on Sunday night with a bunch of people. He was sitting in a section with an obnoxious female Yankee "fan" who kept trying to talk trash with the Met fans. He simply asked her questions like "Who was yesterday's starting pitcher?" and "Who's playing first base?" She obviously shut up after that.


That's beautiful.
 
2012-06-26 03:31:49 PM

Dafatone: It's an interesting question, at least a little.

A guy on the Braves (Charles Thomas, maybe?) once went to catch a Jason Michaels line drive (or maybe it was the other way around) about ten feet in from the warning track. The ball hit his glove and bounced out, and as he swiped to catch it, he knocked it about 20 feet over the fence.

It's a home run, but whether or not there's an error is a question I've never considered. I guess the rule says there isn't. But it's strange that there'd be no error on such a play where the ball should be caught, and just dropping it would be an error.


Pretend that we didn't have this rule, and instead, a deflected ball over the fence is considered a 4 base error.

Now say that there's a ball headed for the wall. Maybe it's a HR. Maybe it's not. The fielder jumps, and his glove grazes the ball, which proceeds to hit the top of the wall and bounce over.

The batter wants it called a HR, because 1-1 HR looks a lot better than 0-1 ROE. The pitcher wants it called an error, because 1 UER looked a lot better than 1ER HR.

So what's the proper call?
 
2012-06-26 03:33:23 PM

DeWayne Mann: The batter wants it called a HR, because 1-1 HR looks a lot better than 0-1 ROE. The pitcher wants it called an error, because 1 UER looked a lot better than 1ER HR.

So what's the proper call?


Ground-rule two-base error?
 
2012-06-26 03:35:49 PM
Excellent baserunning and hustle on that Cubs player. Most runners would probably just jogged to first, knowing they'd either be out... or at best have only first base on an error.
 
2012-06-26 03:40:31 PM

DeWayne Mann: So what's the proper call?


It'd be the scorer's call, but it'd probably be scored a HR in the same way that if an outfielder dives for a ball and it kicks out of his glove it's usually recorded as a hit.
 
2012-06-26 03:44:17 PM

DeWayne Mann: Dafatone: It's an interesting question, at least a little.

A guy on the Braves (Charles Thomas, maybe?) once went to catch a Jason Michaels line drive (or maybe it was the other way around) about ten feet in from the warning track. The ball hit his glove and bounced out, and as he swiped to catch it, he knocked it about 20 feet over the fence.

It's a home run, but whether or not there's an error is a question I've never considered. I guess the rule says there isn't. But it's strange that there'd be no error on such a play where the ball should be caught, and just dropping it would be an error.

Pretend that we didn't have this rule, and instead, a deflected ball over the fence is considered a 4 base error.

Now say that there's a ball headed for the wall. Maybe it's a HR. Maybe it's not. The fielder jumps, and his glove grazes the ball, which proceeds to hit the top of the wall and bounce over.

The batter wants it called a HR, because 1-1 HR looks a lot better than 0-1 ROE. The pitcher wants it called an error, because 1 UER looked a lot better than 1ER HR.

So what's the proper call?


Good point. Still, it's odd that the extremely rare "ball flung 25 feet over the fence" isn't an error. But I wouldn't want to take the HR away from anyone.

/in your case, I think I'd settle for saying anything over the fence can't be an error. If you headbutt the ball an extra 5 feet from the warning track over, then maybe an E.
 
2012-06-26 03:53:32 PM

DeWayne Mann: DeltaPunch: Did Jose Canseco turn a deep fly ball into a HR with his head, or did he commit a 4-base error?

Is this a serious question? I honestly can't tell any more.

It was a HR. Rule 6.09(h):

However, should such a fair fly be deflected at a point less than 250 feet from home plate, the batter shall be entitled to two bases only.


How great would it be to see a 250 foot line drive skip off an outfielders head into the stands for a double
 
2012-06-26 03:56:54 PM

Dafatone: If you headbutt the ball an extra 5 feet from the warning track over, then maybe an E.


I'm just not sure about an error on a ball that, technically, wasn't in play.

The ultimate takeaway, of course, is that errors are dumb.

under a mountain: How great would it be to see a 250 foot line drive skip off an outfielders head into the stands for a double


Pretty sure that said outfielder is now dead.

That being said, I want to see it happen so that the umpires have to get a big 250 foot ruler and figure out if it was over that distance or not.
 
2012-06-26 04:00:39 PM

DeWayne Mann: Dafatone: It's an interesting question, at least a little.

A guy on the Braves (Charles Thomas, maybe?) once went to catch a Jason Michaels line drive (or maybe it was the other way around) about ten feet in from the warning track. The ball hit his glove and bounced out, and as he swiped to catch it, he knocked it about 20 feet over the fence.

It's a home run, but whether or not there's an error is a question I've never considered. I guess the rule says there isn't. But it's strange that there'd be no error on such a play where the ball should be caught, and just dropping it would be an error.

Pretend that we didn't have this rule, and instead, a deflected ball over the fence is considered a 4 base error.

Now say that there's a ball headed for the wall. Maybe it's a HR. Maybe it's not. The fielder jumps, and his glove grazes the ball, which proceeds to hit the top of the wall and bounce over.

The batter wants it called a HR, because 1-1 HR looks a lot better than 0-1 ROE. The pitcher wants it called an error, because 1 UER looked a lot better than 1ER HR.

So what's the proper call?


Don't forget when it comes to errors there is no "proper call". Its up to the official scorer, who doesn't really have hard-set guidelines.

In that case, chances are he'd give him a home run regardless.

Also, note that just glancing off the glove when trying to nab a potential home run really has no grounds for "error". You just couldn't reach it. You didn't botch the play.

A better example would be the fly ball that was not going to leave the field, but hit Jose Canseco's head and went over the fence... I could see that being an error. Not sure how it was scored, and too lazy to look it up.
 
2012-06-26 04:01:18 PM
I was hoping for multiple throwing errors, maybe a botched run down that could be put into a video that was sped up to the tune of Yakety Sax.
 
2012-06-26 04:02:08 PM

downstairs: I could see that being an error. Not sure how it was scored, and too lazy to look it up.


That's uh...how this discussion started. HR
 
2012-06-26 04:20:49 PM

Cyberluddite: he hitter is not credited with a triple in that AB--it's treated the same as an out in his batting stats.


That's stupid. Not that it's the only stupid thing about baseball, but the guy got to third base; why isn't that a triple?
 
2012-06-26 04:31:50 PM
The Mets are the best in baseball ...


at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
2012-06-26 04:32:44 PM

Gig103: Cyberluddite: he hitter is not credited with a triple in that AB--it's treated the same as an out in his batting stats.

That's stupid. Not that it's the only stupid thing about baseball, but the guy got to third base; why isn't that a triple?


Because he only got there based on other players' stupidity, not from his own skill. Why give him a prize for other people doing something stupid?
 
2012-06-26 04:37:14 PM

Gig103: Cyberluddite: he hitter is not credited with a triple in that AB--it's treated the same as an out in his batting stats.

That's stupid. Not that it's the only stupid thing about baseball, but the guy got to third base; why isn't that a triple?


Because he was born on third base.

// politics tab
 
2012-06-26 04:38:34 PM

BKITU: Because he only got there based on other players' stupidity, not from his own skill. Why give him a prize for other people doing something stupid?


I guess I don't see how that hit was different than one that went right past the shortstop, or between the two outfielders. Are those errors too? How much of batting is aim, and how much is just connecting with the ball? He ran 270 feet before the players could tag him or the base. Triple! :)
 
2012-06-26 04:40:35 PM

Gig103: Cyberluddite: he hitter is not credited with a triple in that AB--it's treated the same as an out in his batting stats.

That's stupid. Not that it's the only stupid thing about baseball, but the guy got to third base; why isn't that a triple?


Should that play break up a no hitter? Not a perfect game, mind you, just a no hitter.
 
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