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2012-06-26 10:19:08 PM  

YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus


Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.
 
2012-06-26 10:21:03 PM  

TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?


they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

as opposed to the scientists on the prometheus, which run around like retards doing everything they can to get into trouble. and are apparently incapable of moving left or right to avoid falling objects. and like to cuddle with space snakes and get lost in places they have detailed maps for etc etc etc etc etc etc goddamn what a terribly written movie
 
2012-06-26 10:22:37 PM  
YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to ...


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But the goo doesn't do anything. It does something very specific that if you've seen other ALIEN flicks you pick up on well. The goo simply mutates things towards xenomorphs. Thats it. If it's a weapon, thats all.

Goo is in a alter room with religious murals of xeno's, proto-xenos and a Engineer blessing one
Goo turns a mealworm into a facehugger like snake with acid blood.
Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing (he throws off two people before pleading to be getting torched)
Goo mutates Fifield and he's running around killing like a freakin xeno would. (The production book shows us his more xeno like form was cut to preserve his likeness more / facial acting)
Goo causes Shaw to birth squid like face hugger
Last the prot-facehugger births a deacon proto-xenomorph.

It was pretty much all there but the fifield thing, and you can clearly draw that conclusion even though they cut the visual goods with him.

What they don't tell us is why the goo is different in the prologue and later. It's very obviously different in that part of the film, but really, only that part. The rest was consistent.
 
2012-06-26 10:23:24 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus

Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.


The Engineers were our friends (or at least not hostile toward us) until about 2,000 years ago, then they suddenly decided we needed to die horribly and painfully. Add the religious overtones, and it's not that much of a stretch to think that one of the Engineers was the entity we know as Jesus.
 
2012-06-26 10:25:52 PM  

TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?


Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY to procure a specimen of this life form. The Nostromo might not have been the first ship sent on this mission by WY. This might have been the first time they thought they really had a chance of getting what they were after, since they had an ace up their sleeve (secret android) on board with the space truckers.

Who knows how much WY really knew? The Nostromo's computer had already deciphered enough of the transmission for Ripley to realize that it was a warning signal, not a distress signal. But by then it was too late to warn the boarding party.
 
2012-06-26 10:26:46 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus

Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.


i'm not snarking. it says in the movie that ~2000 years ago the engineers decided to kill us.

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/82 3 2

"Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Lets' send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him. "


this is both confirming and denying the jesus theory. what pushes it over into canon for me is that they left the line in about them deciding to kill us right around the time jesus died. i understand it's a stretch, but we have literally no other information on the topic except for the date our doom was decided and the intention of the director.
 
2012-06-26 10:27:35 PM  
One Bad Apple: TyrantII:

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.

Do you have the gist of how that convo goes (beyond "my boss here wants more life, farker") In the movie in my head that scene plays like groggy Engineer wakes up and is largely nonplussed by the smaller chittering versions of himself UNTIL one of them talks to him and it's a robot. Creating non organic life is apparently some huge blasphemy resulting in "RAAHHH Engie SMASH puny humans". -or- since in the released version the Engineer never replies to David we can't actually be sure if he even understood all the clicks and whistles David made and just completely lost his shiat and killed everybody because he's just not a morning guy.

Being able to read a dead language is one thing but to speak it without ever hearing it first probably doesn't work %100. How would you like it if you woke up 2000 years late for work to find some 4 foot tall monkeys and their animatronic Realdoll creeping around your bedroom and it says to you "Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays" ? You know you would rip it's head off and use it to beat the rest of them to death with too.


Fassbender said in an interview that well have to wait for the DVD...

I thought it played out much as you got it, but the engineer also witness the cruelty of the Merc shutting a very distressed Shaw up. In my mind the Engineer is a Navy Seal that wasn't to be brought out of stasis until a few clicks from earth (hence the course plotted scene earlier) for his mission, and now he finds all these apes gawking at him and one crudely artificial one asking for the fountain of youth.
 
2012-06-26 10:33:41 PM  

theorellior: The sad thing is that there is evidently tons of footage, from that scene and more, that would probably do a good job of nullifying (or at least making acceptable) many of the annoyances we've listed here.


Based on the parts of the film that did make the final cut, as well as the writer's previous works, I think "probably" is being generous.

That said, I think the most severe criticisms of the film are "that was probably explained in a scene which was cut but that neither I nor anyone I know has actually seen" or "that's probably explained in a non-existent prequel/sequel" (i.e. the film, as is, is incomplete).
And somewhat puzzlingly, both of these criticisms seem to be leveled most often by the film's defenders.
 
2012-06-26 10:34:04 PM  
Funbags: I won't say too much then, but I highly recommend it, would be curious about your own opinion on King's ending compared to the film's.

And I can't say much of anything positive about Dreamcatcher. Morgan Freeman must have been extremely late on some mortgage payments to willingly wear those eyebrows. And the conclusion? With Duddits? Wow. Just wow. Staggeringly bad. The novel wasn't very good, but it was Moby Dick compared to its screenplay.



Now going to have to read it! I just started the The System of the World, but I'll go for it next probably. Like I said, I like bad horror movies and B-flick. But Mist just felt like pandering in that is was so badly done and produced. I couldn't believe it was a Friday night syfy production. The half-life / silent hill merge might have worked, but the way it came together failed horribly.

Dreamcatcher, it ain't anything special. But it's watchable where Mist wasn't. I'm not even sure why. I liked the cast and their acting / dialogue wasn't like nails on a chalk board. Maybe the setting around the Quabbin and VT kept me into it? Who knows, but the ending was a bit anti-climatic and out of left field.

King movies (books? been a while) need to go back to props with less CGI and figure out how to use human characters.
 
2012-06-26 10:39:22 PM  
YoTengoId: they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

Millions? Maybe hundreds of thousands, but i doubt meth addicts are in charge of millions in shipping.

I liken it to those huge mega cargo container ships with millions to billions. They don't put yokels in charge, and there's always an officer behind the wheel. You need years of education, training and service to be trusted to pilot those beasts.

I don't see why NOS would be different. Especially the executive crew. Ripley was a lieutenant after all. How many truck drivers get command designation?
 
2012-06-26 10:39:41 PM  

TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don ...


ok i'm getting sick of biatching so i'll join you on this one for a second

it makes sense if the goo has a purpose - a pinnacle form that it always evolves towards. that would explain the goo in the beginning: the engineer takes it, falls apart, starts the process of evolution that billions of years later turns into humans which are apparently identical to the engineers. pinnacle form: human/engineer thing. the pinnacle theory of evolution is horseshiat, but whatever. it sort of works. the goo is fire, ancient engineer sacrifices himself so that billions of years from them man may live. supposing that that first world is earth. which it may not be.

the Modern Goo's pinnacle is the xenomorph. it's highly advanced, weaponized even, so it works very quickly on whatever it touches to turn it into a living weapon.

why that turns the mealworm (wtf did that come from, anyway) into a penis/vagina snake, that one dude turns into a zombie (he did not resemble a xenomorph, move like a xenomorph, or act like a xenomorph) or not turn archeologist dude into a zombie and put a fish in his eye or whatever is not readily apparent.
 
2012-06-26 10:43:52 PM  
Repo Man: TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?

Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY to procure ...


So WY corp hand picked a gullible crew of lovable screw-ups to use as lab rats under the guise of an Android?

Please tell me more!

Really though, a lot of the stupid stuff in this movie is just Scott retelling ALIEN, only slightly different. Maybe it doesn't work now, maybe it's a little more sloppy, but it's really just ALIEN again.
 
2012-06-26 10:44:22 PM  

TyrantII: YoTengoId: they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

Millions? Maybe hundreds of thousands, but i doubt meth addicts are in charge of millions in shipping.

I liken it to those huge mega cargo container ships with millions to billions. They don't put yokels in charge, and there's always an officer behind the wheel. You need years of education, training and service to be trusted to pilot those beasts.

I don't see why NOS would be different. Especially the executive crew. Ripley was a lieutenant after all. How many truck drivers get command designation?


i'm not sure i get your point. they acted competently, especially for people with no scientific or military training. they were clearly good at their jobs and forced into a situation they were in no way prepared for.

contrast this with archeologists who are bored with alien archeology, biologists that suck at biology and geologists who can't read a map. people who were expecting aliens and acted like... there's no word for it that applies to real people... bad characters in a shiatty horror movie. what, exactly, is your point? that alien has many of the same flaws as prometheus? because it doesn't. that's not even a good try, you can do better.
 
2012-06-26 10:49:27 PM  

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?
 
2012-06-26 10:52:32 PM  
YoungLochinvar: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?


Which is why stasis in the new movie is perplexing. Unless it's just standard to plan missions for relativistic travel needs, so they still need to limit up time to conserve supplies?
 
2012-06-26 10:53:07 PM  

TyrantII: Repo Man: TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?

Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY t ...


wow, that really is your point.

no, just no. so much wrong here. the crew of the nostromo weren't lovable screw ups, they were competent people in a hopeless situation. that's where the horror comes from. they didn't do anything wrong, the threat they were facing was actually threatening. they didn't need to act like retards to make scary stuff happened, and it actually meant something when they died because they didn't purposefully put themselves into situations where death would occur immediately.

this is the difference between good and bad writing. good writing has plot happen organically as the result of complex characters and the choices they make which are internally consistent with who they are and what they're experiencing.

prometheus has shiat writing where the plot is driven by idiots who should know better doing dumb things to advance the plot. there are clear differences in the way the drama is handled in both films and if you can't see it then you're farking blind. or trolling. maybe you're the alt. regardless, don't ignore reality and shiat on alien because you like a dumb movie, it's not fair to the talented people who worked to make that movie as great as it is.
 
2012-06-26 10:54:41 PM  

YoTengoId: i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke


There was evidence in the pyramid that suggested something like that final proto-xenomorph was possibly what the Engies were shooting for. The xenomorph (if we can agree on that word to describe the specific alien species in "Alien") was a perfect predator, something that might be valuable to the Engineers (or Weyland-Yutani) if it could be controlled. The thing that emerged from the giant squid/Engineer fusion in the final scene was NOT a xenomorph, though it bore significant similarities, which, while I agree was a bit of fanservice for the Alien fans, did not detract from the rest of the movie.

YoTengoId: the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen


The goo had unpredictable, uncontrollable effects, but that does not make it a plot contrivance. If anything, it "humanizes" the Engineers that much more, and makes the allusions to the myth of Prometheus that much more valid.

Prometheus took fire from the gods, and gave it to man, making them more like their gods. But did he give them the wisdom to use it? Used wisely, fire is very valuable. Used recklessly, fire is extremely deadly. Etc, etc, sequel, lunchboxes, t-shirts.

YoTengoId: are you a lost fan or something?


In total, I've seen less than 60 seconds of Lost. Having read a bit of the Lost fancruft, I'm convinced I would dislike it. Seemed like it starts with a contrived plot and the writers just didn't know what to do with it from week to week. I know one of its writers wrote this screenplay, and that's where your going with inquiring, but I think I'd hate Lost, while I really enjoyed Prometheus (despite its flaws).
 
2012-06-26 10:59:22 PM  
I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.
 
2012-06-26 11:06:14 PM  
Every review or blog features a gripe about Vickers being crushed by the rolling space ship, and they're right- it's stupid. But isn't that what people are when they're in a panic and running for their lives? Stupid? Even the hero, Shaw, was making the same mistake until she fell over (and nearly suffered the same fate). That's the benefit of being in the audience, sometimes we get to see what the characters themselves don't. It's like being told to play dead when confronted by a bear (probably a myth, but stay with me...), I almost certainly wouldn't pause long enough to access that part of my brain, I'd run like an idiot. Probably pushing over one or more of my companions in my panic.

As for not having interstellar travel by 2087; almost certainly true, but at some point you have to let these little things go for the story. 2001: A Space Odyssey is an oft-used benchmark for modern scifi, but you rarely hear anyone say that it's a shiat film because it's currently 2012 and we still don't have a base on the moon.
 
2012-06-26 11:09:46 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke

There was evidence in the pyramid that suggested something like that final proto-xenomorph was possibly what the Engies were shooting for. The xenomorph (if we can agree on that word to describe the specific alien species in "Alien") was a perfect predator, something that might be valuable to the Engineers (or Weyland-Yutani) if it could be controlled. The thing that emerged from the giant squid/Engineer fusion in the final scene was NOT a xenomorph, though it bore significant similarities, which, while I agree was a bit of fanservice for the Alien fans, did not detract from the rest of the movie.

YoTengoId: the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen

The goo had unpredictable, uncontrollable effects, but that does not make it a plot contrivance. If anything, it "humanizes" the Engineers that much more, and makes the allusions to the myth of Prometheus that much more valid.

Prometheus took fire from the gods, and gave it to man, making them more like their gods. But did he give them the wisdom to use it? Used wisely, fire is very valuable. Used recklessly, fire is extremely deadly. Etc, etc, sequel, lunchboxes, t-shirts.

YoTengoId: are you a lost fan or something?

In total, I've seen less than 60 seconds of Lost. Having read a bit of the Lost fancruft, I'm convinced I would dislike it. Seemed like it starts with a contrived plot and the writers just didn't know what to do with it from week to week. I know one of its writers wrote this screenplay, and that's where your going with inquiring, but I think I'd hate Lost, while I really enjoyed Prometheus ...


apparently the effects are completely controllable and predictable, seeing how they seeded life on earth which ended up producing a species that is 100% identical to the engineers. that's either an astronomically unlikely happy accident or they did it on purpose, either way it's shiatty writing.
 
2012-06-26 11:10:17 PM  

TyrantII: Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing


Was Holloway mutating or disintegrating (a la the prologue)? Because he was looking pretty jacked once the mutagen had time to take hold, black subdermal marks not unlike the prologue Engy. He wasn't even strong enough to walk by himself.
 
2012-06-26 11:10:56 PM  

TyrantII: I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.


And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.
 
2012-06-26 11:16:17 PM  
Funbags: TyrantII: Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing

Was Holloway mutating or disintegrating (a la the prologue)? Because he was looking pretty jacked once the mutagen had time to take hold, black subdermal marks not unlike the prologue Engy. He wasn't even strong enough to walk by himself.


Ok one more to point something out, but I'll answer you first. It wasn't strength that he was doubled over in, it was pain from his change. He wasn;t weak at all, just curled into a ball of pain. Right before he's torched two people help him to get him back up but he screams no and very easily flings them off violently, then runs towards the bay, pauses and tells Vickers to do it, do it!

As for a big scene missing, this was in the trailer but not in the movie:

http://i.imgur.com/kYDta.png

Most people think it's Fifields xeno return. As to why it was cut, either timing or it took away from the upcoming engineer and deacon chestbuster scene. No word if it's going to be in the final cut.
 
2012-06-26 11:19:01 PM  

dai the flu: Every review or blog features a gripe about Vickers being crushed by the rolling space ship, and they're right- it's stupid. But isn't that what people are when they're in a panic and running for their lives? Stupid?


The problem is that it's done so often that it's become a cliche. Micheal bay and Roland Emmerich have turned that scene into an art form. If you want to kill Vickers, have her fall down or get her foot stuck or something. Still cliched, but at least it's believable.
 
2012-06-26 11:20:41 PM  

Repo Man: TyrantII: I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.

And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.


i wouldn't worry about it, s/he's not actually interested in making an honest account of either film and wants to mindlessly insist that either prometheus is awesome or prometheus may not be awesome but alien is just as bad or that all criticism of prometheus is a result of lindelof-inspired rage or whatever is convenient.

it's like if i made an argument that the thing (1980) sucks because the thing (2011) contains elements borrowed from the original. or that the thing (2011) is awesome because the thing (1980) has the same flaws as the thing (2011) because they had a similar plot arc. or, i don't know, i'm having trouble parsing this stuff out because it makes no sense. maybe that's the problem? i'd have to literally not be able to tell the difference between two wildly different things to try to claim some shiat like that.
 
2012-06-26 11:21:35 PM  

Repo Man: And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.


The great thing about the crew of the Nostromo was that they were just blue collar schlubs. They didn't care about space or first contact or anything like that, they were just trying to make a living.
 
2012-06-26 11:34:07 PM  

YoTengoId: no, just no. so much wrong here. the crew of the nostromo weren't lovable screw ups, they were competent people in a hopeless situation. that's where the horror comes from. they didn't do anything wrong, the threat they were facing was actually threatening. they didn't need to act like retards to make scary stuff happened, and it actually meant something when they died because they didn't purposefully put themselves into situations where death would occur immediately.


Sorry, I'm calling you on this. Ripley was the ranking officer, and tried enforcing standard quarantine protocols. but they were not observed. True, it was Ash (who had a personal agenda for such encounters) who directly violated them, but all of the crew (including Dallas) insisted that they be ignored. Ash was merely the one who pulled the lever.

No, the crew of the Nostromo was dumb, and that's why the scary stuff happened. And I unapologetically LOVE Alien.
 
2012-06-26 11:38:41 PM  
I really enjoyed the movie while being simultaneously repulsed. I mean, it wasn't The Best Movie Evarr, and in its class, it was no Naked Lunch, but it was worth watching. We had a lot of discussion afterwards so it was a Thinking Movie For Some People.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 11:42:27 PM  

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of thjusttray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.

at room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.
 
2012-06-26 11:56:51 PM  

YoTengoId: apparently the effects are completely controllable and predictable, seeing how they seeded life on earth which ended up producing a species that is 100% identical to the engineers. that's either an astronomically unlikely happy accident or they did it on purpose, either way it's shiatty writing.


Actually, if the goo was controllable and predictable, the Engineers wouldn't have lost containment on LV-223. But you already know this.

Not fully understanding how the goo works /= the goo does only what the Engineers want and nothing ever goes wrong. In fact, it adds more credence to the fallibility of the Engineers, who, ironically, form the foundation of Earth's worship of infallible beings.

And true to form, we go on to create nuclear power plants that have meltdowns, create dams that are tragically insufficient, create forms of government that leave millions starving and impoverished. And all the while, we have the gift of fire...
 
2012-06-27 12:13:01 AM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: im going to unleash a F-5 derpnado


and you were successful
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-27 12:14:18 AM  
Wow, this is better than a Zimmerman/Martin post for deep.
Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?
 
2012-06-27 12:17:24 AM  

vpb: Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?


That just means he's half the director Michael Bay is.
 
2012-06-27 12:37:55 AM  
entire thread...:

s7.postimage.org

Prometheus farking suuuuuuucks!!!!! AHHHH AHHHHH AHHHH!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-27 12:46:36 AM  
All I can say to this tidal wave of derp is look at Blade Runner, which bombed with critics, but turned into a major success.

If you look at the people who hateted the movie, you get people who simply didn't comprehend it.
 
2012-06-27 12:50:58 AM  

vpb: Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.



That right there is probably the single dumbest thing anyone has said in this entire 430+ post flamewar thread. That really took some doing. Congrats!
 
2012-06-27 02:55:23 AM  
What's with the bandwagon hate for this movie?
 
2012-06-27 03:10:22 AM  

meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.


I missed the whole "Ridley Scott prequel to Alien" part of the trailers, just thought it was a space show about ancient alien cities or something. But anyway MOST of the reason I went was from half reading comments on places like fark that said "wow" "going to be epic" and shiat like that.

And actually other than some art work that was vaguely Geigerish I missed the other clues that it was going to be ALIENS in the end....like the face hugger like shape of the snake monsters etc......

So imagine my horror when this movie that stopped making sense a long time ago, but was still fun to watch and keeping me entertained....pops out a baby Ewok-looking Chest Burster at the end.

I was so friggin disappointed. It was like Scott hadnt had an original thought in thirty years.

But yeah, nothing in the movie made sense. so It was a lousy prequel. I doubt the extended cut will be any better unless they dump everything about zombie biologists and have a three hour lecture on how the bio-weapon can apparently randomly kill you in ten different ways.
 
2012-06-27 03:14:45 AM  

Jambalaya James: What's with the bandwagon hate for this movie?


Um, it sucked?

Well sucked is a bit harsh. But I was a huge fan of the first two movies. HUGE fan. And I was bitterly disappointed when old Chesty made an appearance at the end of Promo-theus. Just not a good prequel in any way. Didnt care about the characters one bit. Felt manipulated cynically by some of the scenes, Groaned in dismay at the geologist, etc....

Worse thing was I kept remembering all the good old sci fi books I had read that pretty much explained the reasoning behind......"do not follow the ancient star message" and realized we really are in a fuzzy aliens Carl Sagan Cosmos Jodi Foster mindset at the beginning of the movie. But I still would have brought nukes.

And not gone charging into the alien fortress in the first ten minutes on the planet.
 
2012-06-27 03:16:45 AM  

vpb: Wow, this is better than a Zimmerman/Martin post for deep.
Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?


Adam Sandler and Tyler Perry still get funded.

Just answer me this.

Zombies? Where are Zombies in the entire rest of the franchise? Why are they in this movie?
 
2012-06-27 04:34:39 AM  
One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.
 
2012-06-27 04:37:19 AM  

Jocundry: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.

Dude, my brain told me:

It was really weird for a biologist to be afraid of an alien corpse. (Aren't biologists curious about life? Particularly alien life)


Really?

REALLY?

First bad thought process: It was a dead alien corpse decapitated by a door that was closed in such a hurry by the people inside it decapitated one of their fellows. So whatever was in the hallway I'm now standing in was scary enough they said, "fark you, take your chances we ain't dying today" and now I'm standing on the BAD side of the farking door.

Second will be, "Wow that looks like some sort of organic armored encounter suit."

Third will be, "Huh 5 fingers that's odd that an alien life form would have 5 fingers like humans."

Fourth will be, "Oh look its body is hinged like a humans too."

Fifth will be, "Mmm this is an atmosphere I can breathe. That's triple plus ungood."

Sixth will be, "This is engineered atmosphere so its either designed to kill whatever scared the fark out of headless or its for headless to breath. So if we find a massive pile of another type of alien then we're good, the atmosphere change is a safety mechanism. But if all we find are more of the same type we see here then the suits were used as armor or NBC gear..."


Then I'd yell, "Hey guys. Whatever was so scary this dude was left to get his head cut off might be a very very small problem. 5 fingers, breathes oxygen, looks like its joints are hinged like ours. Who wants to place bets on how sick we end up getting in 7 days when our systems react to whatever microbes are in the air? And here's the REALLY bad news. We'll probably be quarantined for around a month here. And a month should be plenty of time for us to find whatever scared the shiat out of mr 8 feet of muscles in reinforced encounter gear. The really really bad news is if we find more of the same type of alien without any other corpses around that means whatever scared the fark out of em won and is still out there somewhere."

So yeah, as a biologist I'd seriously think about eating a bullet just to avoid that whole shiatting myself in terror, pain and suffering and what not later on.
 
2012-06-27 04:41:29 AM  

jimw: One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.


You sound like you need to read more. Even I, who mainly reads shiatty military scifi outside of work related stuff, recognizes most of those as ideas originated in a wide range of scifi novels/short stories many decades before their use in cinema.
 
2012-06-27 05:32:37 AM  

archichris:

Zombies? Where are Zombies in the entire rest of the franchise? Why are they in this movie?


When I first saw that scene in the movie I didn't think "oh hey look, a zombie," and it didn't cross my mind until I decided to brave a few forums. With reflection- yeah I guess it's a classic cinematic zombie, but what I learned from it was that the goo/pathogen/whatever is inherently evil, and one of the traits of the creature(s) that are the result of an organism coming into contact with the goo is that they are extremely aggressive and dangerous. The implication (to me) is that the goo is engineered to have this impact on an organism regardless, and goes with the WMD testing ground theory that is mentioned in the movie.

In answer to your question; the rest of the franchise centered around the xenomorph, Prometheus and its sequels look to be centering around the "Engineers."
 
2012-06-27 07:20:02 AM  
The medical machine was programmed for "male" because it was a plot clue that there was an "important man" on the ship, and that the female people were irrelevant. The fact that medical machines should by then be able to work on male and female patients simply implies that Weyland didn't intend anyone else to use it.

Now to scroll back up 200 cmments and continue reading.
 
2012-06-27 07:55:38 AM  
Of this film, I will say this - Elizabeth Shaw joins Dorothy Gail and Luke Skywalker in the pantheon of the most unreasonably mentally stable people ever put to film.

In a matter of two days, she

1) Stands on another planet
2) Proves her theory of The Engineers
3) Outruns a monster storm
4) Loses her fiancee/husband in the most incredibly gruesome way possible, before her eyes
5) Is impregnated with Squiddly Diddly
6) Cuts out Squiddly Diddly
7) Comes within a whisker of getting mashed by a giant spaceship
8) Is marooned without chance of rescue on a deserted planet
9) Has a giant naked dude try to kill her
10) Humps a busted android across a wasteland
11) And then goes to another spaceship - not to go home, but to go to summit on the land of giant naked dudes.

And she doesn't lose her shiat. At all. Honey Badger don't care.

Hell, I've had encounters with coffee machines that have left me more vexed than she was.
 
2012-06-27 08:06:35 AM  

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


The problem is that what sort of expedition goes into a labyrinthine structure without a farking map?Seriously, I know no geological team today that goes into the field without one. If you are mapping a structure with drones, don't you think it would behoove the team to actually use the data while they were inside the farking structure? Why did geologists of the future get dumb all of the sudden?
 
2012-06-27 08:09:50 AM  

mongbiohazard: vpb: Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.


That right there is probably the single dumbest thing anyone has said in this entire 430+ post flamewar thread. That really took some doing. Congrats!


Agreed. That dude is REALLY butthurt that people critique a movie he liked with things he wasn't smart enough to realize.

It's ok kid, one day when you grow up, you might realize what a quality movie looks like. And you might realize that the director isn't the only one involved in the production.
 
2012-06-27 08:14:33 AM  

vpb: All I can say to this tidal wave of derp is look at Blade Runner, which bombed with critics, but turned into a major success.

If you look at the people who hateted the movie, you get people who simply didn't comprehend it.


Hahahaha, just when I thought this guy couldn't say anything stupider, he breaks out a "hateted."

Yeah man, everyone else just couldn't comprehend it. It's just you who is the genius for filling in plot holes with fantasy in your head not included in the movie. Your third grade reading and spelling level is superior to everyone else. You are in no way butthurt and offended that you like a movie that on it's face, didn't make much, if any, sense.
 
2012-06-27 08:41:41 AM  
Prometheus hurt my feelings...
 
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