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2012-06-26 08:47:43 PM  

Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!


Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.
 
2012-06-26 08:49:26 PM  

Teufelaffe: Funbags: Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

But primitive civilizations would not distinguish them from any of the other stars, which begs the question: who made those cave paintings, in vastly different areas of the world, in vastly different epochs of human history?

It must have been the Engineers, which means they must have kept coming back to Earth again and again. And obviously, they didn't destroy everyone each time. And obviously, there must have been some reason for them to leave those markings behind, certainly not for their own benefit. So, for us? Or a sufficiently advanced version of their creations to reach that planet? But why? There didn't seem to be any reason to lure/invite us there, other than perhaps to see if we could. And based on the various xeno-morph inscribings, we didn't seem to be what they were trying to make.

Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *points to the night sky* "See that stellar confi...oh wait, you can't. Hold on, let me hold up this hologram of our local cluster."
Ancient human: "OOOOO...I should totally make a picture of that! Can you hold that up for a bit while I carve this?"


ok that's a pretty darn elegant explanation
 
2012-06-26 08:51:14 PM  

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"
 
2012-06-26 08:52:12 PM  

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


She's a replicant.
 
2012-06-26 08:52:36 PM  

YoTengoId: you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.


Really? I've agreed that the script has not only unanswered questions, but actual flaws, yet after offering plausible explanations to your specific problem with how the baby squid thing grew so massive so quickly, rather than answering them, you hurl back pedantic insults.

And I'm the dumb person who thinks I'm smart? Got it.
 
2012-06-26 08:54:02 PM  
YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.


See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI, especially when it wasn't even needed and bad cast. Last terminator flick was ok, but kind of messed up. Glad I didn't pay to see it, but good for a couch viewing. Love BSG, Firefly, DS9, TNG and liked ENT.

I don't know, as far as thriller, scifi, and horror go I've seen much worse that claims to take itself seriously. Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie, and thats coming from someone who loves B-style horror flicks for their campiness and satire.
 
2012-06-26 08:56:44 PM  
fozziewazzi: Wayne 985: fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?

I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.

43 years and counting. There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon, much less Mars, much much less anything beyond. Unless there some spectacular human history changing event/discovery I don't see us traveling to other star systems in 75 years. They should have pushed the date out another 100 years.


That then runs into the alien timeline.

Big no-no they got wrong, why do you need stasis pods on a FTL ship? Forget that it's the first mention of it in that universe, but doesn't FTL negate the need for stasis? I guess to save on supplies? Bleh.
 
2012-06-26 08:57:26 PM  
FTFA : "Since I exploded, it is probably hard to explain how I can finish the last few scenes of this movie in the format of this captain's log, but that makes about as much sense as the rest of the plot, so bear with me."


Made me lol

Also " Naw... We'll get around to it later." should be the the movie's tagline
 
2012-06-26 08:57:32 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: ....really enjoyed Prometheus. The Giger sets were amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on the Blu ray.


This!
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-26 08:59:09 PM  

YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"



You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.
 
2012-06-26 08:59:29 PM  

fozziewazzi: There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon


Oh? Newt Gingrich was going to build us a friggin' moon base. DAMN YOU TO HELL, LIBERALS!!
 
2012-06-26 09:01:11 PM  

Fano: If you're wondering how a xenomorph eats and breathes, and other science facts...


They gain nutrition by eating the laws of physics.
 
2012-06-26 09:01:48 PM  
fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


Did she? I thought she made it very clear that she now ran the company and was along to protect the companies interest. She didn't hide it, but we weren't aware of it till later. That's not the same thing. Maybe she was married up and also a cheating whore?
 
2012-06-26 09:02:18 PM  

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.

See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI, ...


Dude how can you not like The Mist?!? He offs his family gf, and two old people at the end only to walk out into.... SAFETY! I couldn't stop laughing... Especially when they all, in the car, just kind of understood they were going to all take the easy way out and kill themselves. Hilarious!
 
2012-06-26 09:02:34 PM  
I purposely avoided all the previews because I wanted to watch it int he theatre.

My only problems.

Why have a dickhead geologist?
Why the funny shaped ax?


Other than that, it was great. A couple normal "why the fark are you doing that you dumb fark you are going to be killed" moments. Some big suspension of disbelief (how smart the robot was, finding the system from a few dots, etc) but overall great movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:03:01 PM  
YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"


That scene was great.... until that stupid line....

LINDOPHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
 
2012-06-26 09:04:38 PM  

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


I don't think she was hiding it from the crew. I think the writers were hiding it from the audience. It was supposed to be a big reveal and expose some of her motivations as to why she'd get on board with this thing.

Dad goes on interstellar journey, croaks en-route, and now I inheriting all the money and power. She never expected to find actual aliens.
 
2012-06-26 09:04:44 PM  
patcoston.com

Did the hot girl with an obsessively lovestruck severed robot's head as a companion escaping together in the living ship that kills whole planets remind any of you of anything ?
 
2012-06-26 09:07:34 PM  

TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie


Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.
 
2012-06-26 09:12:13 PM  

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.

See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI ...


i pretty much agree. i can't really handle network tv sci fi just because of the compromises taken but i'm not about to shiat on any of those shows. i liked the mist but i won't really defend it. i read asimov and heinlein and clarke and k. dick, card and simmons and stephenson and all manner of sci fi.

i think it's a super cool genre that's capable of exploring the human condition in ways that others can't, an intersection of the fantastical and the factual where great ideas can be broken down and put together in ways we may have never considered before. prometheus is filled with the trappings of great sci fi, and name checks ideas that other, better writers have explored without bringing anything of its own to the table. prometheus wasn't promoted as a dumb popcorn flick, it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s).

the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject, it felt like it was enough to point out that these issues exist without even attempting to unpack any of it or arrange it in a way where it was emotionally resonant or even made any damn sense. there was a great movie they could have made, or even just a half decent one. if the ideas are all stolen from better works anyway, how could they have farked it up so bad?

it seems to me like that lindelof character just doesn't give a shiat about telling a good story, he just wants to dazzle you with how cool his concepts are and then discard them when he actually has to put work into having an opinion about them.
 
2012-06-26 09:15:06 PM  

Poorlytoldjoke: YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"


You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.


he called her "mum" which is apparently something british servants refer to their betters as.

i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY
 
2012-06-26 09:17:04 PM  
Well, yeah, it had some very big problems, but two of them were NOT looking at this
www.colbertnewshub.com
Or this for two hours
www.firstnamestore.com
 
2012-06-26 09:18:58 PM  

Teufelaffe: Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *points to the night sky* "See that stellar confi...oh wait, you can't. Hold on, let me hold up this hologram of our local cluster."
Ancient human: "OOOOO...I should totally make a picture of that! Can you hold that up for a bit while I carve this?"



Not bad, but based on what we've seen of them, here's how I see it unfolding:

Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *looks at AH with passive curiosity, "Anah Amz Ghott!! *rips AH's head off, throws it at an innocent AH bystander, hunts down and murders everyone*
 
2012-06-26 09:23:15 PM  

Teufelaffe: YoungLochinvar: Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.

I could've sworn that, at some point, they mentioned that the *only* star formation that matched the map wasn't remotely visible with any technology at the time and, in fact, a large part of the costs involved in the project were in developing a telescope (or something) that actually *could* find the star system...

Which doesn't in any way change the fact that, assuming the Engineers were on Earth 2,000 years ago and showed humans what the stellar configuration looked like, that it would still likely look like that from Earth a couple thousand years later, even if it required special equipment to see it.

In other words, of all the scientific inaccuracies that one could find in Prometheus, the constellation still looking the same from Earth a couple thousand years later isn't one of them.


Fine, but to quote the actual link... "Apparently with the bazillions of stars you can see from earth from different hemispheres and across thousands of years this was the only place in all of outer space that five dots lined up just right, and I'm not going to think too hard about that any more."

Arguing about the relative positions of the constellations/stars and whether they've changed, when compared to the "map" that we see at the beginning... is pretty much entirely fruitless. IMHO and all.
 
2012-06-26 09:26:08 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.

Really? I've agreed that the script has not only unanswered questions, but actual flaws, yet after offering plausible explanations to your specific problem with how the baby squid thing grew so massive so quickly, rather than answering them, you hurl back pedantic insults.

And I'm the dumb person who thinks I'm smart? Got it.


that's the impression i get. of course if they'd filmed the movie you've got in your head it would be 8000x better. the aliens eating the alloys or whatever is a cool idea, there's just nothing to support it in the movie so it makes no sense, according to the internal logic of the story, which is what we're going off of here, not the shiat you make up in your brain.

take the second star wars prequel, attack of the clones. if imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense. it's not canon that he has a butt plug, it probably never occurred to the writers, but it fixes a hole in the movie and makes me feel better.

^^^^^^^^^

this is what you are doing
 
2012-06-26 09:27:14 PM  

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Wayne 985: fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?

I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.

43 years and counting. There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon, much less Mars, much much less anything beyond. Unless there some spectacular human history changing event/discovery I don't see us traveling to other star systems in 75 years. They should have pushed the date out another 100 years.

That then runs into the alien timeline.

Big no-no they got wrong, why do you need stasis pods on a FTL ship? Forget that it's the first mention of it in that universe, but doesn't FTL negate the need for stasis? I guess to save on supplies? Bleh.


Space is so big even light seems slow. 8 minutes for sunlight to reach the earth, whats up with that?

So if we've somehow discovered FTL travel it still may not be enough to get us to other star systems in anything less than a few years. The closest star to earth is 4 light years away. Even if we had a ship that could travel 4xlight speed it would still take us a year to get there. And overcoming the laws of physics is a mighty big 'if'.

We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.
 
2012-06-26 09:29:57 PM  

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.



pichars.org
 
2012-06-26 09:31:03 PM  

Jocundry: Prometheus was nothing but plot holes.


None of those are plot holes, just turns in the story you dont get or didnt follow along closely enough to comprehend.
The answer to the first two is the biologist was stupid, the 3rd was that scenes were deleted, 4th=advance science monitoring outside air(or did you miss that whole exchange?), 5th is easy when the answer is just to try and find the fountain of youth to save your old ass and if you dont think genders are different then you must have missed health class too, 6 is because they said before hand they wont take infected back on board, 7 was because they knew what happened, 8 again if you had paid attention it was in his programming to bring back organic material or species, just like ash.

If you watched the other alien films or at least 1 and 2 then you should have no trouble following along but most expected aliens and got alien which was exactly like prometheus, slow and no creatures until almost all the way through the movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:31:27 PM  

Poorlytoldjoke: You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.


She was too emotional near the end to be an android. They've already established earlier in Prometheus, as well as in Alien, Aliens, and Alien3 that androids do not have or even pretend to have emotions.

He doesn't call her mother, he calls her "mum" which is a British contraction of "Madam" and sign of respect for a female elder or superior.
 
2012-06-26 09:32:03 PM  

YoTengoId: it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s)...the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject,


Was it just me, or did Prometheus address pretty much everything to do with the nature of our proposed creators?

Considering how all the major religions postulate a loving, compassionate god, an omnipotent, omniscient being who cares deeply about our existence, has a plan for each of us, who will endlessly reward our faith and piety and mercilessly punish our disobedience. Well, our progenitors in Prometheus turn out to be a bit different.

You favor movies such as Blade Runner, and Moon, did you understand what those movies were actually about? The concepts they examined? Hint: Blade Runner wasn't about whether its ok to kill robots, and Moon wasn't about getting away before the bad guys got there.
 
2012-06-26 09:32:07 PM  
Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.


Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.
 
2012-06-26 09:35:56 PM  

fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.


Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.
 
2012-06-26 09:38:09 PM  
TyrantII: Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.

Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.


Oh, it was a casting call for Walking Dead and Hung though....

/shrug
 
2012-06-26 09:41:07 PM  

YoTengoId: i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY


Ridley Scott has expressly stated she was not a robot. In my first viewing, I was pretty sure she was (especially since she was the only one seemingly unaffected by hypersleep) until she decided to "get a little captain in her". It may have been an interesting plot device to have Weyland only able to produce artificial offspring, and an interesting sibling rivalry, but why even submit to hypersleep at all if Vickers was artificial? Although IIRC, Bishop and Ash both did.
 
2012-06-26 09:44:32 PM  

liam76: Why the funny shaped ax?


I forgot about the space axe! Where did she get it? And where did it end up?

The movie was just a bunch of references to other scifi moves and whatever looked "cool". They never got around to exploring any questions about humanity, or religion, or morality, etc. It was just kind of... there.
 
2012-06-26 09:47:23 PM  
I was pretty disappointed. This movie just goes to show you how exceptional Alien really was. Alien came so close to stretching your credibility to the breaking point, but it always had a clever way to avoid doing so. Ash, the robot programmed to use the crew to procure a specimen of the Alien was not in Dan O'Bannon's original screenplay. As a number of people were involved in re-working it, it apparently isn't clear just whose idea he was. But he was a stroke of pure genius. With the level of technology of the Nostromo, the idea that an alien parasite could be growing inside of Kane without them being aware of it would have too much to swallow. But with Ash there to protect the alien, and deceive the crew? Pure plot saving genius! Sometimes you can just imagine the writers: "How do we explain why they cannot remove it? Acid for blood!" It's too bad the same crew couldn't have been assembled for this outing.

I enjoyed the spectacular visual effects, and I'm glad I plunked down the cash to see it in a theater, something I rarely do these days. But I couldn't ignore some of the glaring defects (why was the geologist getting in the archeologists face like that? He wanted to go back to the ship, but he seemed on the verge of physically assaulting her, and it seemed out of place.) There were a number of others, and they took away from my enjoyment of the film. Noomi Rapace's character running around with her abdomen stapled together made me sad. As was already mentioned, we've suspended disbelief about magical faster than light technology, why not have some magical medical technology that would have made her post surgical ambulatory state less unbelievable?

I hope that the sequel is better.
 
2012-06-26 09:51:35 PM  
PanicMan: liam76: Why the funny shaped ax?

I forgot about the space axe! Where did she get it? And where did it end up?

The movie was just a bunch of references to other scifi moves and whatever looked "cool". They never got around to exploring any questions about humanity, or religion, or morality, etc. It was just kind of... there.


Well Space axes are multifunction tools we've had for millennia. We still use axes today, and a fire ax on a ship in the ocean is as common as it probably would be on a space ship. As for what happened to it, it was cut because Scott didn't like Shaw chopping down the Engineer before his encounter with the proto-facehugger. It diminished him, and I tend to agree.

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.
 
2012-06-26 09:53:15 PM  

Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.


I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?
 
2012-06-26 09:53:16 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s)...the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject,

Was it just me, or did Prometheus address pretty much everything to do with the nature of our proposed creators?

Considering how all the major religions postulate a loving, compassionate god, an omnipotent, omniscient being who cares deeply about our existence, has a plan for each of us, who will endlessly reward our faith and piety and mercilessly punish our disobedience. Well, our progenitors in Prometheus turn out to be a bit different.

You favor movies such as Blade Runner, and Moon, did you understand what those movies were actually about? The concepts they examined? Hint: Blade Runner wasn't about whether its ok to kill robots, and Moon wasn't about getting away before the bad guys got there.


there was some room to explore the idea of our creators being as flawed as we are but what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus and pointed us to their weapons facility for no reason.

this is the dumb person thinks they're smart thing. you can't just say "PLATOS CAVE PARABLE" and then smile like an idiot because you recognize something a smart person did, you have to actually display some understanding of the idea and provide your own insight. which the movie didn't, because the writers were too goddamn stupid to.

Funbags: YoTengoId: i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY

Ridley Scott has expressly stated she was not a robot. In my first viewing, I was pretty sure she was (especially since she was the only one seemingly unaffected by hypersleep) until she decided to "get a little captain in her". It may have been an interesting plot device to have Weyland only able to produce artificial offspring, and an interesting sibling rivalry, but why even submit to hypersleep at all if Vickers was artificial? Although IIRC, Bishop and Ash both did.


i'm not saying she's artificial, i'm saying the writers made her ACT artificial so the IRONY of her acting less human than the robot would totally blow your mind bro
 
2012-06-26 09:53:54 PM  

YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.


Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:56:12 PM  

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


Haldeman's "The Forever War" is probably the best examination of this ever written. Guys would fly off to fight the alien bad guys and while it would only be a four or five year trip on the ship, hundreds of years would pass back home and the entire geo-political climate would change.

Excellent book. A classic, in fact. They'll probably fark it up with a movie, I'm sure.
 
2012-06-26 09:58:39 PM  
Let's play a game...

4.bp.blogspot.com

...called "Just the tip".
 
2012-06-26 10:00:03 PM  

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.
 
2012-06-26 10:05:36 PM  

Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.


it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to defend the shiatty parts, just tell me why it's good or explain to me what the writers were actually saying, it's possible i missed it. you clearly enjoyed it, do you mind telling me why? what resonated with you, who did you connect with, what did you learn?
 
2012-06-26 10:07:20 PM  

TyrantII: Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.

Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.


I won't say too much then, but I highly recommend it, would be curious about your own opinion on King's ending compared to the film's.

And I can't say much of anything positive about Dreamcatcher. Morgan Freeman must have been extremely late on some mortgage payments to willingly wear those eyebrows. And the conclusion? With Duddits? Wow. Just wow. Staggeringly bad. The novel wasn't very good, but it was Moby Dick compared to its screenplay.
 
2012-06-26 10:10:41 PM  

TyrantII:

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.


Do you have the gist of how that convo goes (beyond "my boss here wants more life, farker") In the movie in my head that scene plays like groggy Engineer wakes up and is largely nonplussed by the smaller chittering versions of himself UNTIL one of them talks to him and it's a robot. Creating non organic life is apparently some huge blasphemy resulting in "RAAHHH Engie SMASH puny humans". -or- since in the released version the Engineer never replies to David we can't actually be sure if he even understood all the clicks and whistles David made and just completely lost his shiat and killed everybody because he's just not a morning guy.

Being able to read a dead language is one thing but to speak it without ever hearing it first probably doesn't work %100. How would you like it if you woke up 2000 years late for work to find some 4 foot tall monkeys and their animatronic Realdoll creeping around your bedroom and it says to you "Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays" ? You know you would rip it's head off and use it to beat the rest of them to death with too.
 
2012-06-26 10:11:06 PM  

Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.


Good movies do that: you're enjoying things way too much to slow down and think "hey, that doesn't make sense." Bad movies cause you to sit and nitpick every last detail.
 
2012-06-26 10:12:13 PM  

kab: FTA: "Charlize Theron was great "

wat


That bothered me too. She was serviceable (in more ways than one),but certainly NOT "great".
 
2012-06-26 10:12:53 PM  
Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.


I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?
 
2012-06-26 10:16:06 PM  

YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to ...


To be charitable, I chalked it up to the substance in the canisters being a bio weapon that worked with whatever was available, with the ultimate goal of achieving the final form of Giger's nightmare from Alien as quickly as possible. If a planet were only partially infected, the resulting life forms would wipe out whatever was left of the original biosphere, leaving the planet utterly transformed. Being an ultimate predator, and finally extinguishing all prey, they would ultimately all die out, leaving the planet devoid of all animal life.
 
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