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2012-06-26 06:32:34 PM

justtray: You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold fairly obvious leaps in logic not supported explicitly explained to the audience like they were mongolids by the film. Bravo


FTFY

Just because you can't figure something out doesn't make it bad. Sometimes it just means you're stupid.
 
2012-06-26 06:33:50 PM

emocomputerjock: It's just how things work a century in the future. You wouldn't want to be the only interstellar corporation without a rainy chain room in your refinery, would you?


Indeed, I would not. Now that you mention it, I might have to look into installing one in my house.
 
2012-06-26 06:35:06 PM

justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways


That's assuming that the goo at the beginning and the goo later on are the same stuff. It's quite possible, even plausible, that the original goo is a "genesis device" type of substance, which is then later modified into a weapon. I agree though, it is definitely open to interpretation.
 
2012-06-26 06:35:26 PM
Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.
 
2012-06-26 06:36:24 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold fairly obvious leaps in logic not supported explicitly explained to the audience like they were mongolids by the film. Bravo

FTFY

Just because you can't figure something out doesn't make it bad. Sometimes it just means you're stupid.


Thanks again for proving all my points. Couldn't have done it without you. But since you proved you cannot argue logically or with merit, you are now forever ignored.
 
2012-06-26 06:39:05 PM

bluesbox: And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.


Yeah, this. It was kinda like Lindelhof had a Post-It note stuck to the script that said, "INSERT IMPLIED SEX SCENE HERE". Along with "TWENTIETH CENTURY MUSIC REFERENCE" and "REFERENCE TO CAPTAIN'S HOBBIES".
 
2012-06-26 06:39:29 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

That's assuming that the goo at the beginning and the goo later on are the same stuff. It's quite possible, even plausible, that the original goo is a "genesis device" type of substance, which is then later modified into a weapon. I agree though, it is definitely open to interpretation.


Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole. Especially if you're in the majority that thinks that was supposed to be seeding of earth. It's just not supported by anything else in the film that cannot be alternatively explained, IE the fact that we have similar DNA doesn't mean that's how they created us.
 
2012-06-26 06:39:47 PM

imgod2u: Teufelaffe: Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.

The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.

But then you have the problem of how similar our DNA is to other life on Earth. Not to mention all the common ancestry fossils or hell, just the fact that we can live in the same ecosystem as the other life on Earth or hell, just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....

It'd have to suggest that the black goo not only seeded humans, but also changed the ecosystem of Earth and its inhabitants to mirror the birth of humans. While that's conceivable, surely fossil records would show such a drastic change in biology?


Well, it does. The first life shat out oxygen into the oceans, which was largely bonded to iron and settled into the banded iron formations we have today. Once the iron was out of the oceans, the oxygen poisoned the atmosphere and ocean for that life, and we get our lovely oxygen rich ecosystem that thrives to this day(with variations in oxygen levels of course).

Too bad that's all Precambrian though. 3.7 billion years old.
 
2012-06-26 06:40:40 PM

fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.


The retcon for "Alien" is that the chest-burster was eating food from the ship's stores when it couldn't get humans. Think acid-blooded space-rat.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:24 PM
justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways


You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:25 PM

justtray: Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole.


The sad thing is that there is evidently tons of footage, from that scene and more, that would probably do a good job of nullifying (or at least making acceptable) many of the annoyances we've listed here.
 
2012-06-26 06:45:40 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby.

As far as we know, David is the only person who knows about the baby. Now that there's an Engineer to talk to, the status of said baby is of lesser importance.

it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer.

Because Weyland likes to show off.

weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely.

Already been touched on in this thread, but it boils down to Weyland only really needs a small number of people in order to accomplish his goals (as far as he knows) and everyone else is not important enough to even spare a thought about. If you've spent some time around a sociopathic rich person before, you'll recognize the attitude.

it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half.

Yeah, that's an annoying bit. They could have included any number of explanations, but didn't bother.

it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.

I guess you could say she was panicking and not thinking straight, but it's still not really believable.


ok. maybe weyland's hiring practices are inscrutable and awful. i guess that's not really the problem.

i'm not trying to go all WORST MOVIE EVER here but biologists who want to cuddle with penis/vagina vipers and geologists who can't read a map and archeologists who mope around in disappointment when they find millennia-old alien corpses in an ancient weapons lab/parking garage/creepy temple and scientists who take their helmets off at the first sign of oxygen are not just bad at their jobs, they're ridiculous characters that act like NOBODY would ever behave, ever. it doesn't make sense that these people would exist, that they would make the choices they make, none of it. there are standard operating procedures for all these disciplines that would keep 90% of the plot from occuring.

lindelof just lacks the wit to make any of the scary situations happen organically, so he has empty one-dimensional characters do mind-bogglingly stupid things. it makes one not care even a little bit about any of these people. these two co-pilots. the only development they had before their heroic sacrifices were that they had a lame bet going that was already resolved and no distinguishing characteristics other than that.

my nerdy disappointment is endless, TyrantII.
 
2012-06-26 06:46:00 PM
fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!
 
2012-06-26 06:46:21 PM
Ridley Scott is the most overrated director.

His set design and costumes, pocked with feats of excellent acting, are always top notch. But his story telling is usually weak- and story telling is the most important part of TELLING STORIES!
 
2012-06-26 06:47:28 PM
theorellior: bluesbox: And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.

Yeah, this. It was kinda like Lindelhof had a Post-It note stuck to the script that said, "INSERT IMPLIED SEX SCENE HERE". Along with "TWENTIETH CENTURY MUSIC REFERENCE" and "REFERENCE TO CAPTAIN'S HOBBIES".


So Rick Berman?
 
2012-06-26 06:47:50 PM

TyrantII: Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems.


That's a really crappy reason for being vague. Each film is supposed to be a contained set-piece. Even in LOTR Peter Jackson made sure that each part of the trilogy had an individual plot arc and resolution, and even rejiggered the events in the books to make it work. Even (God help me) the Star Wars prequels managed to do that.

If you're gonna make a multi-part epic story, then plot it like one. If "Prometheus" is supposed to be the first installment of a larger arc, then they should have used that narrative space more wisely.
 
2012-06-26 06:48:17 PM

TyrantII: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.


The geers at the start aren't the same as the geers they meet. The first geers wore ritual costumes and used different ships.
 
2012-06-26 06:48:32 PM
justtray:

Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole. .


You have no idea what a plot hole is.... fantastic!
 
2012-06-26 06:48:45 PM

TyrantII: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.


None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that
 
2012-06-26 06:49:53 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!


The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.
 
2012-06-26 06:50:27 PM

TyrantII: So Rick Berman?


Are you telling me there was a antique Ford pickup in the hold of the Prometheus that I didn't notice?
 
2012-06-26 06:52:28 PM

YoTengoId: archeologists who mope around in disappointment when they find millennia-old alien corpses in an ancient weapons lab/parking garage/creepy temple


Yeah, it's like, "I'm feeling emo because I didn't discover what I wanted to. Boohoo. I think I'll forget to shave again."
 
2012-06-26 06:52:40 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems.

That's a really crappy reason for being vague. Each film is supposed to be a contained set-piece. Even in LOTR Peter Jackson made sure that each part of the trilogy had an individual plot arc and resolution, and even rejiggered the events in the books to make it work. Even (God help me) the Star Wars prequels managed to do that.

If you're gonna make a multi-part epic story, then plot it like one. If "Prometheus" is supposed to be the first installment of a larger arc, then they should have used that narrative space more wisely.


blah blah blah.

It did. This was David and Shaws story. Everything you hate was set up for the next movie, but this movie was structured fine. You just didn't like it.

Thats not a problem with the movie. Thats your problem.
 
2012-06-26 06:53:38 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: So Rick Berman?

Are you telling me there was a antique Ford pickup in the hold of the Prometheus that I didn't notice?


Giant Space Newts
 
2012-06-26 06:54:40 PM
fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.


So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.
 
2012-06-26 06:55:44 PM

justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that


What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:05 PM
Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


Don't respond to his trolling. Everything I wrong was in the movie. It's there to draw a apparent visual distinction between the earlier and later engineers, just as the earlier goo does one thing, the later something else.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. They changed, the goo changed.

He's either never seen it, or he didn't watch it closely. Most of his trolling is pulled right of off 4chan and IMDB.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:51 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.


the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.
 
2012-06-26 07:02:31 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


It's one thing to let your imagination fill in a true gap, it's another to come up with completely convoluted reasons to explain completely stupid things that are explicitly shown within the movie.

I was totally underwhelmed by Prometheus, not because it was ALL bad but simply because it seemed like a movie with some good ideas that were then hastily and poorly stitched together. The *ingredients* for a really good movie were there, but that *good* movie just wasn't made. It's knowing that what I just saw could have, and I daresay SHOULD have, been significantly better.
 
2012-06-26 07:02:35 PM

justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.


Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.
 
2012-06-26 07:03:30 PM

YoTengoId: the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.


It learned that "one secret trick" for enlargement that I keep seeing banner ads for.
 
2012-06-26 07:05:12 PM

Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.


...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!
 
2012-06-26 07:08:33 PM

vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.


Where was it getting the extra mass?? It was locked up not wandering about eating things.
 
2012-06-26 07:09:05 PM
Why was the planet in Prometheus LV-223 and the planet with the space jockey in Alien was LV-426?
 
2012-06-26 07:10:17 PM

YoungLochinvar: Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.

...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!


It'll turn out that the black goo is the by-product of the technology of their civilization and they were just planning on dumping it on Earth to get rid of it. The whole trilogy is just one big anti-pollution message. ;)
 
2012-06-26 07:10:34 PM

Teufelaffe: Wayne 985: That's the point of the open ending. They don't know why the Engineers wanted to kill humanity and they're going to find out.

I thought both points were made very clearly in the film.

Indeed, that's why I'm looking forward to the next two films. They get to explore the motivations behind the Engineers more and, since Shaw is on a ship with an uber-cryopod, it can be set before, during, or even after the events of the Alien movies.


It's easy to see why the aliens wanted to kill the humans. They decided as proved by this bunch of idiots that humanity was to stupid to let live.
 
2012-06-26 07:11:27 PM

fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.


Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.
 
2012-06-26 07:13:02 PM

YoungLochinvar: Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.

...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!


Perhaps, because they thought they did.
 
2012-06-26 07:15:42 PM

imgod2u: just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....


And this would be a problem, how? Unless the proteins were left-handed, it wouldn't matter. We don't feed on their DNA.
 
2012-06-26 07:15:53 PM
YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.


Again, how do you know it eats? Or what it eats? All we know is it needs flesh to procreate. We've never seen an alien "eat".

They have Acid blood and carbon metallic exo-skeletons, for all we know they digest ore and drink CO2. We simply no nothing of their metabolism from anything in any one of the movies. JR. could have easily ate a hole in the floor and consumed some titanium. You're making an uneducated assumption, which makes it dubious at best. If anything it's odd that we've never seen one eating humans. Only killed them and used them as dead and live nests.
 
2012-06-26 07:17:20 PM

Funbags: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.


The artistic license of course being outright stupidity.
 
2012-06-26 07:18:51 PM

YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.


Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?
 
2012-06-26 07:18:56 PM

YoTengoId: the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.


As was stated in the script, but cut from the completed film.
 
2012-06-26 07:20:00 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


i certainly don't have a problem with fan theories or speculation or any of that, but that's all work you did in your own mind, and doesn't rescue the script from being a lazy mess. i don't think it makes me a troll if i'm a little offended that the people defending the movie are calling it a "thinking man's" movie when it doesn't make any actual sense and doesn't contain any wit or insight about the ideas that it stole from better works of fiction.

it was marketed as an intelligent movie. the movie was not intelligent. whether or not you enjoyed it is up to you, whether it's a "good" movie is debatable but subjective, but whether it's a smart movie is not debatable. the science is about as bad as it could be, every character is an idiot or completely inscrutable, the "our creators are 100% human aliens who want to kill us because we killed jesus christ" thing is just pants-on-head retarded and doesn't actual contain any insight or analysis of the myth of prometheus (a name that was tacked on by a studio executive after most of the script had been written) or of paradise lost, which is what the story is actually supposed to be based on.

damon lindelof shat in my mouth and called it pudding. fark him, fark his stupid movie. it's totally cool if you want to love it and speculate and that's half the fun of fiction but for christ's sake don't kid yourself that this story has any merit in terms of exploring any ideas on the human condition, on speculative science or speculative creation myths.

if you disagree i'd honestly and non-snarkily love to hear what kind of insights you had or complex emotions that were conjured as a result of this movie.
 
2012-06-26 07:20:37 PM
Funbags: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?


No, just an alt.
 
2012-06-26 07:22:14 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?


you're not real great at critical thinking.

the aliens had the opportunity to eat so it's not a mindfark when they grow. the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat so it makes no sense that its mass would increase.

this is not a terribly difficult idea to wrap your head around.
 
2012-06-26 07:24:17 PM

carnifex2005: Funbags: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.

The artistic license of course being outright stupidity.


I know, right? That space baby was waaaay bigger than Bowman! Totally ruined it for me...
 
2012-06-26 07:25:19 PM
The second you let that stupid coont Lindelof near the script, you knew this was going to happen.
 
2012-06-26 07:26:30 PM
YoTengoId: damon lindelof

Ahh, more damon lindelof rage. Seems to be what most of it all boils down to.

Your rant brought in quite a few things from interviews that are not in the film, but used to criticize it. While they might be good for discussion, they're not the film at all. Space jockey Jesus was a thought, but ultimately not even written in because it wasn't good for the film. But as Scott said the actions of humanity on earth 2000 years ago might give you an insight into the SJ's contempt for us. Scotts doesn't think highly of religion, so a 2000yo space jesus isn't a correct answer to the movie's questions.
 
2012-06-26 07:28:07 PM

TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

Least the geeks loved it. Adjusted for ticket sales it's now passed ALIENS in gross for the #2 spot in the franchise. It'll need about 40 million more to pass ALIEN, but I'm guessing it's got only 30 in it.

Fox is probably already in discussion for a sequel. Can't wait.


Couldn't agree more. Everyone in our group really enjoyed it. Sure it left some questions, and we enjoyed discussing them. I was thoroughly entertained, and I'm stoked about where the story looked like it was heading!
 
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