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2012-06-26 04:46:37 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


ITT - contrarian who doesn't understand movie quality wants everyone to be as ignorant as him about movie quality.

Difficulty - not everyone is a brain-dead moron who takes everything at face value.

Good luck sir.
 
2012-06-26 04:47:26 PM  

TyrantII: Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.


You must bring the people you know so much happiness and joy to their lives.
 
2012-06-26 04:48:19 PM  

MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?


I'm really and truly hoping that the director's cut makes sense of this movie because all the parts that made it to screen were pretty good, IMO. They just didn't fit together in any way that makes sense.

I mean, Scott knows how to make movies, right? He's made any number of great ones and even his minor ones are coherent. I've just got to believe that this movie was over-edited and that the real movie is still waiting to be seen.
 
2012-06-26 04:48:57 PM  

TyrantII: theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.

With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.


By all means, try and start a discussion. All you've been doing is insulting people who didn't like the movie, not really starting much yourself besides flamewars. I'd love to have a discussion besides the glaring plot holes.
 
2012-06-26 04:49:00 PM  

TyrantII: theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.

With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

"Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations. "

Ya, seems like you really want to have discussion, not just shout down everyone who is smarter than you about movies... Whatever, as long as you feel superior in the end, who cares that you can't actually prove any of your invalid points, amirite?
 
2012-06-26 04:49:57 PM  

TyrantII: I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.


Well, then, I think your work here is done. I bet there are better threads that are more deserving of your time.
 
2012-06-26 04:51:43 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


Hmm, well, those weren't the plot holes I thought of.

There's only one real serious plot hole: why wasn't anyone wondering where Shaw went? Especially David.
 
2012-06-26 04:52:31 PM  

Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.


The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.


How can their DNA be 100% human when they look so different?

Both of these people have 100% human DNA, yet they look as different from each other as the Engineers do from us:

graphics8.nytimes.com
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If that Engineer at the start is seeding a barren planet with life then how come there's an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere for him to breath?

That wasn't a barren planet. Not sure what gave you that idea, but you do see some plant life as they pan across the landscape.
 
2012-06-26 04:52:34 PM  
justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.


Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.
 
2012-06-26 04:53:20 PM  

theorellior: TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.


I figured the awesome 22-century painkillers were doing their jobs.
 
2012-06-26 04:53:56 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.


I think I love you. (and I liked Prometheus.)
thelaughingmarcus.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-26 04:54:08 PM  

TyrantII: Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!


Let's ask Hicks and Newt about that.

If I was a secretive trillionaire and knew that I would be flying across vast reaches of uncharted space while in stasis - completely naked to a hostile environment if anything goes wrong - I would not hire my crew from Labor Ready. I'm just saying.

/as I said, haven't seen it
 
2012-06-26 04:54:18 PM  

TyrantII: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.


My memory is a bit hazy, but I also wondered if explicitly showing Fiefield (the geologist) getting high was meant to in part (in addition to the storm interference) explain why he and Millburn got lost. The guy was very clearly portrayed as something of a headcase. He got spooked by the alien corpses, tried to "relax" and became confused.
 
2012-06-26 04:55:08 PM  

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


Yeah... But it's not like the layout was all that complicated. They could've just described their position, captain Sisko could've found out where they were and given them some basic directions.
 
2012-06-26 04:56:03 PM  
Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, but won't be great unless a prequel justifies it's greatness as a complete story:

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/
 
2012-06-26 04:58:12 PM  
theorellior: TyrantII: Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.

You must bring the people you know so much happiness and joy to their lives.


I'm a destroyer of worlds, deal with it.
 
2012-06-26 04:58:29 PM  

TyrantII: BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, bu ...


Yeah, I'm criticizing it, but I actually did enjoy it. 3/5 from me.

It could've been done better though. I blame Lost-man, because he's a dickhead.
 
2012-06-26 05:01:02 PM  

TyrantII: I'm a destroyer of worlds, deal with it.


[rolls eyes]
 
2012-06-26 05:01:25 PM  

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


So easy to refute. Never said he had a map. I said it's retarded he DIDN'T. Entirely inplausable given the level of technology being used to map them. All it would take is a smartphone to feed the data to.

The conversation with the captain and static doesn't work either, seeing as that conversation happened after they were stuck. There was no mention of them talking to the captain when they were trying to get out of the tunnel before the storm, which they would have done if they had gotten lost. In fact, they don't refer to being lost until after everyone has somehow passed them and escaped. Maybe I just paid more attention to the movie than you did though, in which case, you should really just shut the hell up.

When the captain did talk to them, he messed with them saying one scanner found a life source East (maybe West, i forget) of them. They get scared. So the logical conclusion is to go from the pile of bodies, to the one place the one guy is deathly afraid of? Doesn't hold up. Maybe if you add one line like, "Well that room is as far West (East) from that location as possible, I hate the idea, but lets go hide there." Alas they didn't because that would be non-lazy writing. Something I really don't expect you understand.

Obviously there were no communication issues seeing as the people fleeing were on the communications with the captain while our other two idiots were somehow lost and didn't pass them. So again, you have misremembered the movie and made up parts in your head to have it make sense, where the rest of us can actually comprehend what we see and realize glaring plot holes.

Your post here has shown me that you have the cognitive ability of a child. No wonder you are so defensive about people who are explaining movie critiquing to you.
 
2012-06-26 05:02:40 PM  
Dr.Zom: TyrantII: Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!

Let's ask Hicks and Newt about that.

If I was a secretive trillionaire and knew that I would be flying across vast reaches of uncharted space while in stasis - completely naked to a hostile environment if anything goes wrong - I would not hire my crew from Labor Ready. I'm just saying.

/as I said, haven't seen it


Thing was he was hours or days from death, depending on who's account is right. This was called putting all ones chips on black.

So he either finds his fountain, or dies.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 05:03:34 PM  

Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.



I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

Why did David put the black goo in Holloway drink? Because Weyland told him to "try harder" to find a way to keep him stay alive, and he was testing it out of Holloway.

How did David know that there were more ships? Because he read the writing on the wall. Literally. It is obvious that he could read the Engineer writing and didn't tell the crew because he had an agenda of his own.

Why did David walk around touching things randomly? He didn't. He could read the labels and had a prety good idea what he was doing.

Why did the Engineers leave an invitation to their military base? Maybe it isn't. The captian just assumed that.

How does Shaw live with no food? She had two years worth of food and oxygen, as the captian stated when he ejected the lifeboat.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.
 
2012-06-26 05:03:37 PM  
Ironically, I enjoyed the movie.

I just can also realize it has gigantic plot holes without letting that fact ruin my experience.

I guess not everyone can be objective though.
 
2012-06-26 05:03:57 PM  
On a side note, if I was a trillionaire and had the ability to go into stasis - and I wanted immortality - I would just spend 6 months to 6 years in stasis every so often and it would feel like I was immortal. I could play with my great great grandchildren. Plus all that lovely interest would be building in my bank account. While I had no expenses. I like sleeping anyway.

Also: Writing about stupid people doing stupid things is much easier than writing about smart people doing smart things. (See: Soap Operas)
 
2012-06-26 05:05:17 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Too bad they couldn't have made those helmets out of something you could see through.


You can distinguish between them in close ups, but in any wider shots, or from the side/back you wouldn't see enough facial detail.
 
2012-06-26 05:05:50 PM  

Shazam999: TyrantII: BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, bu ...

Yeah, I'm criticizing it, but I actually did enjoy it. 3/5 from me.

It could've been done better though. I blame Lost-man, because he's a dickhead.


Me and my friends made fun of it non stop for an hour without reading anything about it. I still said I enjoyed it, but it truly was stupid. I just hate when people try to call it "smart" or that people who like it should be allowed to point their noses up at people.
 
2012-06-26 05:05:58 PM  
ITT: People using their imagination and brains to try and explain to me how bad Prometheus is and that I'm wrong for suggesting they use their imagination and brains to enjoy the movie more.

The irony is staggering.
 
2012-06-26 05:08:19 PM  

vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

Why did David put the black goo in Holloway drink? Because Weyland told him to "try harder" to find a way to keep him stay alive, and he was testing it out of Holloway.

How did David know that there were more ships? Because he read the writing on the wall. Literally. It is obvious that he could read the Engineer writing and didn't tell the crew because he had an agenda of his own.

Why did David walk around touching things randomly? He didn't. He could read the labels and had a prety good idea what he was doing.

Why did the Engineers leave an invitation to their military base? Maybe it isn't. The captian just assumed that.

How does Shaw live with no food? She had two years worth of food and oxygen, as the captian stated when he ejected the lifeboat.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.


None of these were the significant plot holes.

Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?

Etc etc etc. This excludes my personal favorite of how the mapper with an unblocked comm gets lost and passed up by a bunch of other people in a nearly linear tunnel. How did they not detect the living worms? Why were they not more cautious around their first living discovery? I can go on and on and on there were so many ridiculous plot holes that had absolutely no explaination.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:03 PM  
Shazam999: TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.

Yeah... But it's not like the layout was all that complicated. They could've just described their position, captain Sisko could've found out where they were and given them some basic directions.


That's fair. But what kind of man are you if you need to ask for directions? I mean, really?

I was actually quite surprised how simple they made the CGI layout. To me that was lazy on the FX part, since they could have made it much more confusing to get the point across. Likewise, the 100% DNA match was CGI use too, it was up in the corner of the CGI display that gave the audience that information. It should have said 100% genetic marker match, or some sort. But they went with the dumb version.

The second female scientist also kept bundling her obvious techy lines too. She says 3% CO2, when it's obvious she meant 3% CO (first is minimally toxic, second kills in seconds), same with miliamps vs amps for the head scene. 30 Amps is a nice well done steak. Blunders like that aren't uncommon for technobable.

If thats the stuff that makes a movie unwatchable, I'm not sure what people actually enjoy.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:18 PM  
I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:24 PM  
It was the movie version of Lost, set in space, with alien stuff capable of doing whatever helps the plot at that particular moment. The end is the same (everyone died on the trip there, this was just their own personal judgment)
 
2012-06-26 05:09:33 PM  
It was a pretty movie.
/ shhhhh...pretty.
// "pats head"
 
2012-06-26 05:11:03 PM  

justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)


Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.
 
2012-06-26 05:12:53 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT: People using their imagination and brains to try and explain to me how bad Prometheus is and that I'm wrong for suggesting they use their imagination and brains to enjoy the movie more.

The irony is staggering.


I tell people that all the time about Jack & Jill. "Use your imagination and brains," I tell them. "Enjoy the movie more!"

So far, no luck, but I'm not giving up!
 
2012-06-26 05:13:53 PM  
justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.
 
2012-06-26 05:14:18 PM  

justtray: What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?..


Link

"This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life."

I'm not sure what else people think he would've said.
 
2012-06-26 05:15:32 PM  

theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.


Last security footage during an emergency?
 
2012-06-26 05:16:27 PM  
vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.


I don't even think it's that. I think the rage comes down to two factions:

It wasn't a direct ALIEN/ALIENS prequel
Damon Lindelof was the co-writer.

Sort of like the JJ Trek hate.
 
2012-06-26 05:17:13 PM  

Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?


That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.
 
2012-06-26 05:19:19 PM  

TyrantII: justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.


Just so that we agree you have poor taste and even worst critical analysis abilities, I don't care what you enjoy. Go watch some Transporter 1,2,3. You don't have to do much thinking. You'll enjoy it.

I never asked for realism, but that's a nice straw man that no one has argued for. We just would like for there to be less plot holes if you want to consider the movie 'good' in a critical sense. As I mentioned, I still enjoyed it, but as far as movie writing goes, it was very poor and lazy. I hope they do much better with the sequel.
 
2012-06-26 05:19:47 PM  

justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?


Ah, there's your problem. You don't know what a plot hole is. A plot hole is when a story is not consistent with itself. For example, if they told you that the ship runs on pure unicorn farts and cannot use any other type of fuel, but they then refuel the ship with zebra farts, that is a plot hole. None of the things you list are plot holes. They're things you don't have an answer for. Some suggested answers:

The Engineers weren't running from an outbreak, per se, but the result of an outbreak. I.e., one of their number turned all mutated and killy. It's likely that they were running for one of the truly secure places in the facility.
We aren't told what planet was at the beginning, but given that the rest of the story deals with the origins of human life on Earth, we can make a pretty educated guess that it was supposed to be Earth.
David said, "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." (This was translated by the linguistics consultant who worked on the film)
 
2012-06-26 05:19:51 PM  

theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.


David activated that hologram. As for why the recording happened...Lindelof or whatever his name is is the excuse.

This feels like the thread to do this...

Okay my insane theory is that a human 100k plus years ago actually made the engineers considering they look much more like an engineered species in their perfection and muscle tone and that we on earth were an experiment by the engineers to recreate the race that were their masters.

Go on. I was a fan of lost so this is what I do with these types of stories that don't make much sense..
 
2012-06-26 05:19:53 PM  

meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


Were they running from anything? If they're running to the storage room, maybe they're aiming to shut something down or contain it.
 
2012-06-26 05:20:23 PM  

meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


The smoke monster.
 
2012-06-26 05:20:31 PM  

Wayne 985: I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.


Because Jesus was an Engineer and humans killed him.
 
2012-06-26 05:21:11 PM  
meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


Looked to me they were running from the infected engineer dude, the one who's head is cut off and we find out is infected with goo. Which is later confirmed when mutant fifield goes xeno on the crews ass in the hanger bay, and doesn't die so easily.

Really, you guys need to see it again and stop the texting!
 
2012-06-26 05:22:30 PM  

Teufelaffe: Wayne 985: I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.

Because Jesus was an Engineer and humans killed him.


Then they drank his blood and ate his flesh.
 
2012-06-26 05:22:40 PM  
justtray: TyrantII: justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.

Just so that we agree you have poor taste and even worst critical analysis abilities, I don't care what you enjoy. Go watch some Transporter 1,2,3. You don't have to do much thinking. You'll enjoy it.

I never asked for realism, but that's a nice straw man that no one has argued for. We just would like for there to be less plot holes if you want to consider the movie 'good' in a critical sense. As I mentioned, I still enjoyed it, but as far as movie writing goes, it was very poor and lazy. I hope they do much better with the sequel.


I don't think your understanding of what a true plothole is, is correct. Thats a big problem right there.
 
2012-06-26 05:25:36 PM  

Teufelaffe: When you reduce pretty much any movie's plot to a short sentence, it ends up sounding flimsy.


I can reduce plots to almost irrelevant statements harder than anyone. Dune, LoTR, Star Wars, Harold & Kumar : Epic road trip.
 
2012-06-26 05:29:35 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?

Ah, there's your problem. You don't know what a plot hole is. A plot hole is when a story is not consistent with itself. For example, if they told you that the ship runs on pure unicorn farts and cannot use any other type of fuel, but they then refuel the ship with zebra farts, that is a plot hole. None of the things you list are plot holes. They're things you don't have an answer for. Some suggested answers:

The Engineers weren't running from an outbreak, per se, but the result of an outbreak. I.e., one of their number turned all mutated and killy. It's likely that they were running for one of the truly secure places in the facility.
We aren't told what planet was at the beginning, but given that the rest of the story deals with the origins of human life on Earth, we can make a pretty educated guess that it was supposed to be Earth.
David said, "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." (This was translated by the linguistics consultant who worked on the film)


So you just assume they were running from their own. Why do you assume that? That's a plot hole. Especially with the pile of dead bodies. Didn't seem like a psychopathic killer alien would group up a bunch of dead bodies. But we can't know, because the plot is missing that 'hole' you might say.

Another assumption on the planet. I thought it was the alien world and that was their way of explaining how the outbreak occurred. Maybe that alien wanted to be a Martyr and didn't believe in genocide so sabotaged the installation. Yet another plot hole that you just make assumptions on because you're not a critical, intelligent individual. You think whatever your head made up is the only answer.

The translation is great, but it doesn't explain why he then ripped the head off the android and killed the rest. In fact, it only adds to the confusing motive of the alien that we never really find out.

Gotta love being told you don't know what a plot hole is by people who literally make up their own facts in their heads to fill said plot holes and expect everyone else to come to the same, unsupported conclusions. Thank god you kids don't have any real say in movie production. Your ignorance on the topic is unparalleled.
 
2012-06-26 05:30:50 PM  

TyrantII: meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.

Looked to me they were running from the infected engineer dude, the one who's head is cut off and we find out is infected with goo. Which is later confirmed when mutant fifield goes xeno on the crews ass in the hanger bay, and doesn't die so easily.

Really, you guys need to see it again and stop the texting!


oh... duh. He was lagging a bit, wasn't he?
 
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