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2012-06-26 04:12:55 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


I'm using my brain right now, and it's telling me you're farking hilarious, which is probably not what you intended with this post. That is my brain though, it has a soft spot for angry little people and their angry little rants. The poorly hidden, unfounded superiority complex is adding something extra too.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:02 PM

theorellior: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

Ooooo-kay. You go with that.

One question, though: if Weyland didn't want anyone noticing his little jaunt toward the Fountain of Youth, spending a trillion dollars on a red-herring ship, crew and mission isn't the most effective way of doing that.


Yeah, its not internally consistent, like so many other aspects of the film.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:52 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him,


This statement is full of fail.

If your "characters" are all just meat puppets to push pieces around your board your story is not interesting.
 
2012-06-26 04:14:15 PM

TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.


It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:14:34 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: This right here is proof that people don't use their farking brains when watching movies.



raincityguide.com
 
2012-06-26 04:16:39 PM
No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun
 
2012-06-26 04:17:31 PM

Optimus Primate: meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.

Yup...I saw it twice even! I noted pretty much all of the points made in TFA while I watched it, and it did not affect my enjoyment at all...

I'd love to see it get picked up for a sequel.


Well, camping out in freaky room did bother me after running in terror, as well as "Why not consult your brand spanking new map".

But I wanted one of those scanners.
 
2012-06-26 04:17:47 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.

Yeah, it's nerd rage. Autistic, manic nerd rage.

Like Red Letter Media Said, "if you couldn't enjoy Prometheus, however flawed, without hating it, you need to stop watching movies.". They put out their youtube as low hanging satire, and the trolls ate it up, and now look stoopid. RLM FTW!
 
2012-06-26 04:18:14 PM
I TL;DR'ed most of TFA, but detractors of this movie offer a lot of repetition of their criticism. After a 2nd viewing, I concede that the script had a few valid flaws (not just things left unexplained), but they should keep in mind the following:

Weyland (and thus David) had a very specific interest in the Engineers, and it was not history-making, or scientific value. Given David's true motivation, his behavior was very rational.

The ship's crew and landing team had some pretty significant requirements: agree to give up a minimum of 4+ years (2 years there, 2 years back) of your life to go on a mission you will not be given any information about until after its too late to bow out. What sort of scientists could they reasonably recruit, even if they were extremely well-compensated? The most courageous, most professional?

If the story featured scientists being as deliberate, cautious, and, well, scientific as actual scientists, the movie would be very boring. As soon as the spotted the straight line leading to the pyramid structure, they'd set down and start taking measurements/samples of the line itself. After a couple weeks, maybe they'd decide to move on to the exterior of the structure. A month of so later, they might actually venture inside. At some point, the need to act scientifically is outweighed by the need to be entertaining.

The oft-mentioned removing of space helmets is a prime example. Yes, it was foolish for them to equate breathable air as safe air--but from a movie standpoint, the audience needs to be able to distinguish between the different characters, and 7 people in identical suits and helmets undermines that.
 
2012-06-26 04:18:16 PM

CPennypacker: Seriously what the fark movie were you people watching? I mean, I can understand thinking Shaw doesn't develop much because she keeps the cross at the end but David? Come on. If you didn't like the movie, that's fine but don't be stupid about it.


Since I clearly don't get what you're talking about, can you please explain how David developed? I just don't see it. I was really hoping the movie would tell his story.

I would have really liked to see David ask if he had a soul or what a soul is, or having him trying too hard to prove his worth to his dismissive father. Or question the pursuit for your maker. But he didn't.
 
2012-06-26 04:18:28 PM

CPennypacker:
You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple

Seriously?

Lord of the rings:

A midget's journey to throw a ring into lava

The grapes of wrath:

Oklahoma dirt farmers move to California

Moby Dick:

Seaman is pissed at a hunts whale

Star wars:

Orphan fights in a galactic civil war

Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?


"Old guy wants to live longer" is not a plot. it's a goal. "Old guy tries to live longer" is a plot. But I don't gather that's what Prometheus is about.

/haven't seen it
//my friend told me I'd just throw things at the screen
 
2012-06-26 04:18:58 PM

Fano: No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun


I just read that in bomb #20's voice.
/Hot like a thermal steller device.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 04:19:36 PM

justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.


Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.
 
2012-06-26 04:20:42 PM

theorellior: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

Ooooo-kay. You go with that.

One question, though: if Weyland didn't want anyone noticing his little jaunt toward the Fountain of Youth, spending a trillion dollars on a red-herring ship, crew and mission isn't the most effective way of doing that.


Red herring ship? So, the ship that Weland is ON, is a red herring because he didn't pick the best of the best for the crew? Are you on drugs?

This was basically, "OK, we've got the important people on board, now just find me bodies to fill seats so we can get this thing off the ground." There could be any number of reasons why they had those other folks there. Legal requirements, company policy, etc. OK, so they don't take time to explain this shiat to you...that just means you get to use your farking imagination instead of biatching about plot holes that aren't actually plot holes.

As for spending a trillion dollars on the trip somehow being counter-indacative of him trying to keep things on the downlow, if that's how much it costs, that's how much it costs. Besides, you have no idea how much creative accounting may or may not have gone on back on Earth to hide the cost of the trip. And that's part of my point. The movie doesn't explain something to you, and instead of seeking to figure it out on your own, or come up with some interesting ideas of the whys and hows, you want to sit there and biatch that the answer wasn't handed to you.
 
2012-06-26 04:22:11 PM

TyrantII: YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.


Whatever, man. I'm glad you can glean whatever joy you can out of this perceived schadenfreude. It's really just a movie, but movies can, and have, been done much better.
 
2012-06-26 04:22:46 PM

Fano: No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun


Pulp Fiction: Two guys pick up the bosses laundry.
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf: Drunks arguing.
The Godfather: Veteran takes over his father's business.
Gone With the Wind: Kissing and a house fire.
Jaws: Three guys go fishing for the weekend.

This is fun!
 
2012-06-26 04:23:12 PM
vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.


Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.
 
2012-06-26 04:25:42 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.
 
2012-06-26 04:26:22 PM
This did bother me, but I assume the engineers were running from whatever came out, which oddly wasn't recorded...

i83.photobucket.com

Notice the hole in the pod?
 
2012-06-26 04:26:23 PM

vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.


Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.
 
2012-06-26 04:27:28 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Red herring ship? So, the ship that Weland is ON, is a red herring because he didn't pick the best of the best for the crew? Are you on drugs?

This was basically, "OK, we've got the important people on board, now just find me bodies to fill seats so we can get this thing off the ground." There could be any number of reasons why they had those other folks there. Legal requirements, company policy, etc. OK, so they don't take time to explain this shiat to you...that just means you get to use your farking imagination instead of biatching about plot holes that aren't actually plot holes.

As for spending a trillion dollars on the trip somehow being counter-indacative of him trying to keep things on the downlow, if that's how much it costs, that's how much it costs. Besides, you have no idea how much creative accounting may or may not have gone on back on Earth to hide the cost of the trip. And that's part of my point. The movie doesn't explain something to you, and instead of seeking to figure it out on your own, or come up with some interesting ideas of the whys and hows, you want to sit there and biatch that the answer wasn't handed to you.


Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."
 
2012-06-26 04:27:41 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.

Whatever, man. I'm glad you can glean whatever joy you can out of this perceived schadenfreude. It's really just a movie, but movies can, and have, been done much better.


Hey, I never said it's the best movie of all time. But worst movie of the summer, it ain't either. It's right up there with ALIEN and Blade Runner though. Flawed, ambitious and good in it's own terms. It's Ridley Scott, love him or hate him.

The film itself follows an ALIEN setup and outline so close, it almost doesn't work People are yelling about fifield and milburn, when the scene was obviously patronage to ALIEN. Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

My biggest issue was actually the Deacon birth at the end. It felt a little out of place and tacked on after Shaw and Davids departure. I really wish it was at the end of the credit roll as an epilogue, since I doubt they're ever going to even come back to that.
 
2012-06-26 04:29:02 PM

Funbags: The oft-mentioned removing of space helmets is a prime example. Yes, it was foolish for them to equate breathable air as safe air--but from a movie standpoint, the audience needs to be able to distinguish between the different characters, and 7 people in identical suits and helmets undermines that.


Too bad they couldn't have made those helmets out of something you could see through.

Look, I liked the movie, but the way the science team acted made me want to kick Ridley Scott in the balls. He's better than that. No, wait. He made "legend".
 
2012-06-26 04:29:07 PM

TyrantII: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.


I like how you think this takes away from my argument, instead of adding to it.

Thanks for proving me right moron. And go ahead, go pull those quotes that explain all this. Would LOVE for you to be able to do that. But you can't, since they never happened.

Bad writing. It's that simple. If you take offense to this fact, its probably because you were one of the crappy writers deserving of shame.
 
2012-06-26 04:29:58 PM

meat0918: Notice the hole in the pod?


Good catch. I expect better of Ridley Scott.
 
2012-06-26 04:30:15 PM
meat0918: This did bother me, but I assume the engineers were running from whatever came out, which oddly wasn't recorded...

[i83.photobucket.com image 640x360]

Notice the hole in the pod?


The Dead Engineers piled at the door also had holes in their chest. Same thing that happened with the Deacon at the end happened earlier. But that's 2000 years before the crew gets there. Without other flesh to procreate, those deacons are probably long gone.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:12 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.


I know. Some of the frustration I feel is because it was just sloppy writing. Lazy, fax-it-in writing. It wouldn't have been so hard to tighten this up nicely.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:29 PM
justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


No.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:47 PM

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


Hey, I liked the movie, but the whole scene of them going back and not recoiling in fear at strange alien life was indeed really dumb. It still got me going "Dude, get the fark away", and I knew he was going to get attacked, and I still jumped when it happened.

They should have probably ran though, and been chased by the snake things, and died off screen with some horrible screaming.

I lost track of who was who and I thought toasted Charlie had survived being BBQ'd, and that it wasn't the pothead geologist coming back.
 
2012-06-26 04:32:25 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener:
Weyland only cares about 5 people on the Prometheus:

Himself
David
His daughter
The two scientists who made the discovery

That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

That wasn't even a particularly hidden plot point. It was painfully obvious to anyone with any amount of cognitive ability.

/Cue the "If that's the case then they should have come out and said it so I wouldn't have to think! WAAAAA!!!" responses...


So you're saying a successful trillionaire intentionally hired incompetent people who put the success of his mission - the most important thing in his life - in jeopardy, on purpose. And you're saying this is a thing you believe is realistic and good story-telling.
 
2012-06-26 04:35:14 PM

TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.


Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.
 
2012-06-26 04:36:07 PM
I'm pretty sure Prometheus was a comedy.

Namely, the Claw surgery device, which reminded everyone I went with of those claw machine in grocery stores that pluck out stuffed animals and the like. I pictured some kid right outside the tube, guiding the claw into that poor woman's stomach.

Right after, she was stuck inside the tube with the rubber squid, shrieking for dear life and pounding on the glass. The theater snicked as the rubber squid looked ridiculous. Then the machine injects Home Depot staples into her stomach. Unless your Frankenstein, stitches don't work that way.

Carrying Fassbender's head around? Good for a laugh.

Random zombie man showing up and knocking around the crew? Somewhat amusing.

A supposed "scientist" acting like a complete idiot around a very ominous looking penis-snake? Facepalm-worthy writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:36:09 PM
Dr.Zom:

So you're saying a successful trillionaire intentionally hired incompetent people who put the success of his mission - the most important thing in his life - in jeopardy, on purpose. And you're saying this is a thing you believe is realistic and good story-telling.


Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!
 
2012-06-26 04:36:17 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


I like how "it's not nerd rage" is immediately followed with a slur. It's like saying "I'm not angry, you *&$*#($&$*#(@(@(!@*#*#!

That is some nerd rage if I've ever seen it. If you all hated the movie so much why not forget about it and move on instead of getting yourself all riled up about a movie you don't like? If nothing else people have talked more about this movie than any other movie I've seen in a long time. To prompt this much discussion it can't be that bad.

/big Alien nerd and loved Prometheus. I don't need to understand everything 100%, it's about an alien world filled with more advanced creatures. It's supposed to be mysterious
 
2012-06-26 04:37:08 PM

TyrantII: The Dead Engineers piled at the door also had holes in their chest. Same thing that happened with the Deacon at the end happened earlier. But that's 2000 years before the crew gets there. Without other flesh to procreate, those deacons are probably long gone.


I thought a few of them had their heads exploded as well?
 
2012-06-26 04:37:38 PM
Farking magnets, how do they work?
 
2012-06-26 04:38:30 PM
theorellior: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.

I know. Some of the frustration I feel is because it was just sloppy writing. Lazy, fax-it-in writing. It wouldn't have been so hard to tighten this up nicely.


Ahhh, back to LOST butthurt?

Makes me glad I never got suckered into that show. Maybe i would have would have the rage of a thousand troll for this movie Lindelof too...
 
2012-06-26 04:38:44 PM

TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.


Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.
 
2012-06-26 04:39:31 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.


Technically, the med-bay was the Chekhov's Gun, the proto-squid-fetus then became Chekhov's Gunman
 
2012-06-26 04:40:43 PM
Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief. How can their DNA be 100% human when they look so different? If that Engineer at the start is seeding a barren planet with life then how come there's an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere for him to breath?

fark it. Just stupid, insulting crap. Transformers with delusions of grandeur.
 
2012-06-26 04:41:11 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.


Well... I didn't.

//didn't care when tentacle eye got burned alive either
 
2012-06-26 04:41:16 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Blues_X: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.


Yes.

And since Weyland was on the trip, these were the best scientists his company could get for the voyage.

Their HR department is farked.

This right here is proof that people don't use their farking brains when watching movies. Spoilers ahead...

Weyland only cares about 5 people on the Prometheus:

Himself
David
His daughter
The two scientists who made the discovery

That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

That wasn't even a particularly hidden plot point. It was painfully obvious to anyone with any amount of cognitive ability.

/Cue the "If that's the case then they should have come out and said it so I wouldn't have to think! WAAAAA!!!" responses...


That explanation is completely moronic. I really hope you feel ashamed of yourself for having typed that.
 
2012-06-26 04:41:45 PM

TyrantII: justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.

No.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.


Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.
 
2012-06-26 04:42:33 PM

TyrantII: Ahhh, back to LOST butthurt?


No, I never watched "Lost", because it looked half-baked and full of woo-woo hand-waving. Coincidentally, so does "Prometheus". Hmmmm...
 
2012-06-26 04:43:40 PM
ModernPrimitive01: theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.

I like how "it's not nerd rage" is immediately followed with a slur. It's like saying "I'm not angry, you *&$*#($&$*#(@(@(!@*#*#!

That is some nerd rage if I've ever seen it. If you all hated the movie so much why not forget about it and move on instead of getting yourself all riled up about a movie you don't like? If nothing else people have talked more about this movie than any other movie I've seen in a long time. To prompt this much discussion it can't be that bad.

/big Alien nerd and loved Prometheus. I don't need to understand everything 100%, it's about an alien world filled with more advanced creatures. It's supposed to be mysterious


Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.

Wana-be hipsters and nerd uniting in their LOST rage for investing hundred of hours in a bad TV series. Have you seen twitter towards him, i's just as sweet.

Still, it won't change a thing. People like this movie,flaws and all, and it'll be getting a sequel. Trek 09's sequels coming soon too. Expect a repeat. Actually Linds is on for the battle of yonkers first. We'll get a repeat there.
 
2012-06-26 04:43:52 PM

theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."


You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.
 
2012-06-26 04:44:33 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Geez, you can just smell the butt-hurt in here. Prometheus was a masterpiece. Easily on par with Space Balls or Galaxy Quest.

It completely disconstructed the flaws of modern sci-fi films. Having the biologist run from a harmless dead alien, but then go right up to a live, threatening one? I was cracking up. And having the guy with the map get lost? farking hilarious!

And having Holloway perform combat gymnastics immediately after getting a c-section? Brilliantly subversive commentary on the bloodless violence of action films. And Guy Pearce's ridiculous Halloween costume? Really powerful statement on how practical effects aren't always adequate.

And the mysterious black goo, a damning condemnation of the hack writer's Macguffin - quick, we need a crew member to get sick: black goo! Now we need one to turn into a supermutant: black goo! And now we need a reason to destroy the alien ship for our climactic set piece: black goo to the rescue.

Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.


This is awesome.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: Technically, the med-bay was the Chekhov's Gun, the proto-squid-fetus then became Chekhov's Gunman


No, the alien squid fetus was also a Chekhov's gun, because once we knew it was there, it had to be used, which it was in the final Boss Fight. Not that they didn't telegraph that scene, as well, with alien squid tentacles visible through the window before the Space Jockey comes crashing in.

Completely on-the-nose, bullshiat writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:18 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.


With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:44 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


LOLWAT? The biggest annoyance I had with Prometheus was that every 20 minutes, someone not related to a scene would step in, explain everything that was going on to that point, and then step out of the scene. There was no need for any critical thinking because the audience was bashed over the head by the story over and over and over again.
 
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