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2012-06-26 11:42:10 AM
Hahaha lol there was that... Must've been prison geologists.

Also, how they drop a serious but silly subplot and Noone talks about it again.

Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 12:14:45 PM
Some of that was explained by scenes that were cut, but there was plenty that didn't make sense.
 
2012-06-26 12:17:33 PM
The problem with Prometheus being a Thinking movie is that the more you think about it, the less it makes sense. The more I think about it, the more things I have a hard time with.

Bingo.


Also... This made me laugh.
 
2012-06-26 12:20:24 PM
Meanwhile, back on the bridge. I was just chilling and playing with my accordion

Concertina
 
2012-06-26 12:21:03 PM
Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.
 
2012-06-26 12:21:42 PM
" "Great idea. Let's have sex and smoke pot so the slasher can murder us faster while we're distracted!"

Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie. It was damn pretty, but had about as much substance as Avatar
 
2012-06-26 12:26:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie.



At least they didn't send the black guy off by himself, to certain doom.

They had friends go with him.
 
2012-06-26 12:27:33 PM

vpb: Some of that was explained by scenes that were cut, but there was plenty that didn't make sense.


This is my feeling.

Just based on the weird juxtapositions and assumptions made by the characters, I presume that there has to be another half hour or so of scenes that were cut for time.
 
2012-06-26 12:30:54 PM

scottydoesntknow: " "Great idea. Let's have sex and smoke pot so the slasher can murder us faster while we're distracted!"

Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie. It was damn pretty, but had about as much substance as Avatar



You had to go and use that word, and now I'm in the vortex.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 12:33:50 PM

meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.


Some of the trailers gave that impression, but I think it would have to be 4 hours long to really explain everything.
 
2012-06-26 12:34:19 PM

Sybarite: scottydoesntknow: " "Great idea. Let's have sex and smoke pot so the slasher can murder us faster while we're distracted!"

Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie. It was damn pretty, but had about as much substance as Avatar


You had to go and use that word, and now I'm in the vortex.


Hehehe as soon as I said that, I was like "ehh might as well check TVtropes listing on Prometheus and see what they say"

/Down the rabbit hole I go
//Productivity for today is officially shot to hell
 
2012-06-26 12:51:55 PM

vpb: Some of the trailers gave that impression



I have to mention that they had the shiattiest trailer control of any recent movie I can remember.

"Oh yeah, show everyone that there's an alien spaceship and they have to crash into it to keep it from taking off."
 
2012-06-26 12:58:49 PM

Blues_X: vpb: Some of the trailers gave that impression


I have to mention that they had the shiattiest trailer control of any recent movie I can remember.

"Oh yeah, show everyone that there's an alien spaceship and they have to crash into it to keep it from taking off."


Yeah, trailers these days can be pieced together to give you most of the movie.

I remember figuring out the "secret" of the Sixth Sense before it was even released.
 
2012-06-26 01:02:55 PM

Blues_X: vpb: Some of the trailers gave that impression


I have to mention that they had the shiattiest trailer control of any recent movie I can remember.

"Oh yeah, show everyone that there's an alien spaceship and they have to crash into it to keep it from taking off."


That was another thing that pissed me off about the movie. EVERYTHING was given away in the trailers. The first trailer (with zero dialogue, just the old school Alien music) was fine, and made me excited to see it. Then the "They're engineers, they made US!" trailer gave that away. Then the Fassbender "I didn't think you had it in you. Poor choice of words." gave away that the chick would have some kind of alien in her. Then you see their ship crash into the Engineer's ship and that's given away. I felt like I had seen the whole movie off just the trailers.

They had some terrible marketing.
 
2012-06-26 01:06:30 PM

Blues_X: scottydoesntknow: Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie.


At least they didn't send the black guy off by himself, to certain doom.

They had friends go with him.


And one of them was even a white guy.
 
2012-06-26 01:11:05 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Blues_X: scottydoesntknow: Hadn't thought about it until now, but that's exactly what happened in the movie. Too many cliches and overused tropes to make it a good movie.


At least they didn't send the black guy off by himself, to certain doom.

They had friends go with him.

And one of them was even a white guy.


TVTropes even lists this part:

Black Dude Dies First: Averted. Janek, the Token Minority, survives until the climax, while Fifeld and Newburn are the first to die. Notably, when Janek does die at the end, it's the result of a Heroic Sacrifice that he planned himself. Incidentally, the black dude sacrificing himself is a common occurrence in the Alien franchise; in fact, Aliens is the only movie that doesn't feature it.
 
2012-06-26 01:15:37 PM

vpb: Some of that was explained by scenes that were cut


What was explained? What was the explanation? Is the movie being incomplete (as released) supposed to be a positive or something?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 01:28:50 PM
Well, movies are about making money, and Fox wanted the length cut down because movies longer than two hours tend to be less commercially successful. So there are 23 minutes worth of cut scenes that will be on the disk version.

For instance there was a conversation between the engineer and David and there was scene where Shaw fights the Engineer with the ax.
 
2012-06-26 01:42:10 PM

vpb: For instance there was a conversation between the engineer and David


Why would they cut that out?

vpb: there was scene where Shaw fights the Engineer with the ax


I hated everything about the last act, but I'm glad that was cut. It was already unbelievable that she's running/jumping/fighting when she just had an alien surgically removed from her stomach and only 25 staples holding her abdomen closed. I would've thought they had some sort of laser that cauterizes the opening and seals it, but then they pulled out...staples? I mean it's a machine that can be programmed to perform any medical procedure (as long as you're a male), but it still uses staples?!
 
2012-06-26 01:45:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: Why would they cut that out?


Time.
 
2012-06-26 01:49:08 PM

Shostie: scottydoesntknow: Why would they cut that out?

Time.


I understand that, but if it's actually critical to the plot, why would you cut it out?

Like when they cut out the story of Ripley's daughter in Aliens. The one about how she wanted to see her daughter (promised to be home on her 11th birthday), but 67 years had passed and her daughter was already dead. That story gave the entire motivation for why Ripley cared so much for Newt/why she risked her life to save the kid. Otherwise you're wondering why Ripley even cared about some kid she met in a dirty air duct.
 
2012-06-26 01:53:09 PM

scottydoesntknow: I understand that, but if it's actually critical to the plot, why would you cut it out?


Because they felt that the movie could stand without it.

scottydoesntknow: Otherwise you're wondering why Ripley even cared about some kid she met in a dirty air duct.


I never wondered that. I chalked it up to matronly instincts.
 
2012-06-26 01:59:01 PM
Article stands up fairly nicely against the Abridged Script, though I like the format of the scripts better
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 02:19:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: Shostie: scottydoesntknow: Why would they cut that out?

Time.

I understand that, but if it's actually critical to the plot, why would you cut it out?

Like when they cut out the story of Ripley's daughter in Aliens. The one about how she wanted to see her daughter (promised to be home on her 11th birthday), but 67 years had passed and her daughter was already dead. That story gave the entire motivation for why Ripley cared so much for Newt/why she risked her life to save the kid. Otherwise you're wondering why Ripley even cared about some kid she met in a dirty air duct.


I don't know that it is. I think Scott decided to keep some things ambiguous for the sequels (There are supposed to be two). I strongly suspect that we are going to find out that David was mistaken or lying and that they farked up by destroying the Engineer ship.

Two of the archaeological finds showing a giant alien pointing at stars were hundreds of years after the Engineers were wiped out by the black goo, so it looks like they visited Earth twice after they were supposedly going to wipe us out.

Here is a prety good write up on it.
 
2012-06-26 02:22:13 PM

dahmers love zombie: Article stands up fairly nicely against the Abridged Script, though I like the format of the scripts better


The Abridged Script is way funnier. Hadn't seen it before, thanks for the link.
 
2012-06-26 02:42:39 PM
Let me just say that from a plot perspective, Prometheus was the dumbest movie I've seen since The Hurt Locker.
 
2012-06-26 02:56:07 PM

pudding7: Let me just say that from a plot perspective, Prometheus was the dumbest movie I've seen since The Hurt Locker.


Hurt locker had a great sense of tension though. That scene when they were looking for a car bomb and everyone was staring at them? Reminded me of when I was young, hunting with Dad, where a cow moose started stalking us and nearly charged us. I never felt more alive than that moment!
 
2012-06-26 03:06:58 PM
Submitter.

Vast swathes of Prometheus simply don't make any sense, no matter how much you rejigger the backstory.

The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.
 
2012-06-26 03:10:34 PM

MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?


It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.


No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

The only thing I have an issue with was mentioned earlier on fark, one, you dont pet strange worms that come out of goo and you also dont run in a straight line when something is rolling after you.
 
kab
2012-06-26 03:11:36 PM
FTA: "Charlize Theron was great "

wat
 
2012-06-26 03:13:01 PM
Prometheus was the best comedy I've seen in years.
 
2012-06-26 03:17:32 PM

steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.


Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.

That was the whole plot. Yippee.

Visuals were excellent, but it was just basically a slasher flick.
 
2012-06-26 03:19:52 PM
As the credits rolled I turned to my date and said, " Seriously, we need to go straight to a bar so I can figure what the hell I just watched." And we did.
 
2012-06-26 03:20:59 PM
Went to the bar that is...didn't necessarily decide on what we saw.
 
2012-06-26 03:21:50 PM

Shazam999: steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.

That was the whole plot. Yippee.

Visuals were excellent, but it was just basically a slasher flick.


You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple
 
2012-06-26 03:24:49 PM
One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor. And there was a specific point where I gave up and decided it wasn't up to snuff. After a long convoluted scene in which Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?
 
2012-06-26 03:25:12 PM
This is why i dont go to the theater anymore. Prometheus was f*cking retarded.
 
2012-06-26 03:26:20 PM
I like my sci-fi to explore themes and current events in a futuristic setting to give new perspective.

Prometheus didn't do anything for me.
 
2012-06-26 03:27:20 PM
Ok, so what should've happened then, smartypants? I want a list.
 
2012-06-26 03:28:08 PM
ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.
 
2012-06-26 03:30:05 PM
It was an amusing movie, but there were more than a few glaring plot holes. Hell, the fact that the constellation of stars recorded across all those civilizations didn't change over 30,000 years is flat out wrong, and that's the first few minutes. Then there's the complete lack of concern for biological contamination, the short duration of the trip through space...

I still enjoyed the movie.
 
2012-06-26 03:30:32 PM

CPennypacker: Shazam999: steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.

That was the whole plot. Yippee.

Visuals were excellent, but it was just basically a slasher flick.

You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple


Feel free to add any additional plot points from the film.

Not saying it was bad per se, but it was mostly trite. I blame Lindelorf or whatever the hell his name is.
 
2012-06-26 03:31:02 PM
That review was dead on.
 
2012-06-26 03:32:01 PM

nitrowhip: Went to the bar that is...didn't necessarily decide on what we saw.


Did the same, except a coffee shop. It was about a day later that I finally figured out what I had seen, and that I didn't like it.
 
2012-06-26 03:32:23 PM
And for the guy who was defending "Prometheus" from all comers in the last thread I was in, yes, I understand that "Alien" was not the best movie of all time. What "Alien" had going for it was economy of purpose. It was a horror film in space, with enough backstory to get you moving, and that was it. No woo-woo handwaving, no big budgets, no big stars, just tension, action and a guy in a rubber suit. The mystery was there to keep you bewildered and off your balance. It worked, and it worked well.

Here, the writer was juggling a couple decades of backstory and fan expectations, and went for the woo-woo, simple fixes and men-behind-the-curtain. I'm glad I never got in to "Lost", because if this guy was a driving force behind "Lost" it's no wonder that nothing ever made sense.
 
kab
2012-06-26 03:33:39 PM
From the ropeofsilicon link posted above:

"Above we see what is referred to as the Elder Engineer performing what looks like a blessing on the younger one before he does his duty in drinking the black liquid (a liquid I don't believe to be the same as the goo we see later in the film) .(snip)....This in mind, upon drinking the black fluid and decomposing into the water, I see the beginnings of a world built entirely on the essence of a pure life force, untainted by disease, stress, jealousy, rage, envy, war, etc."

Actually, the liquid probably IS the same, seeing how quickly it killed him. So, by giving himself up as life, he also brought death along with it, and both were spread / diluted, for lack of a better term.
 
2012-06-26 03:34:46 PM

theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor


How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole
 
2012-06-26 03:35:09 PM

Shazam999: CPennypacker: Shazam999: steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.

That was the whole plot. Yippee.

Visuals were excellent, but it was just basically a slasher flick.

You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple

Feel free to add any additional plot points from the film.

Not saying it was bad per se, but it was mostly trite. I blame Lindelorf or whatever the hell his name is.


Seriously?

Lord of the rings:

A midget's journey to throw a ring into lava

The grapes of wrath:

Oklahoma dirt farmers move to California

Moby Dick:

Seaman is pissed at a whale

Star wars:

Orphan fights in a galactic civil war

Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?
 
2012-06-26 03:35:16 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some.


I did use my brain. Many times. Mostly to ask myself, "Why the hell did this guy write this particular scene? Why did this character do something retarded? This isn't a mystery or a conundrum, it just doesn't make sense."

When I have to use my brain like that during a movie then the fault for the lack of suspense of disbelief does not fall on my shoulders.
 
2012-06-26 03:35:56 PM
Good to see Larry getting some love.

Now go buy Monster Hunter International.
 
2012-06-26 03:37:09 PM

CPennypacker:
Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?


Nothing happens in the movie until Weyland wakes up. Seriously.

Things happen in the other movies you mention. There's PLOT! Story advances! NOTHING happens in Prometheus until Weyland wakes up.
 
2012-06-26 03:37:17 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole



Completely different ship and alien. And planet.
 
2012-06-26 03:37:31 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


Different engineer, different ship, different planet, and different movie. That's not a plot hole
 
2012-06-26 03:37:31 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


Yeah its a massive plot hole if you think its the same ship (or the same planet)
 
2012-06-26 03:38:44 PM

Shazam999: Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.


Blade Runner's plot was flimsy at best: A dude hunts robots.
The Shawshank's plot was flimsy at best: Some guy goes to jail.
12 Angry Men's plot was flimsy at best: A jury deliberates a case.
American History X's plot was flimsy at best: A racist stops being so racist.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind's plot was flimsy at best: A guy wants to forget his ex-girlfriend.

When you reduce pretty much any movie's plot to a short sentence, it ends up sounding flimsy.
 
2012-06-26 03:38:44 PM
Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.
 
2012-06-26 03:38:48 PM

FarkinHostile: How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.


No, that one's easy--this wasn't the planet that the Nostromo landed on. This is set in the same universe but on a different planet. Obviously there were Space Jockeys everywhere 30,000 years ago.
 
2012-06-26 03:39:16 PM

CPennypacker: scottydoesntknow: Different engineer, different ship, different planet, and different movie. That's not a plot hole

Blues_X: Completely different ship and alien. And planet.


Yeah its a massive plot hole if you think its the same ship (or the same planet)


Whoops.

I stand corrected.
 
2012-06-26 03:39:33 PM

Shazam999: CPennypacker:
Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?

Nothing happens in the movie until Weyland wakes up. Seriously.

Things happen in the other movies you mention. There's PLOT! Story advances! NOTHING happens in Prometheus until Weyland wakes up.


Except for finding the cave painting, discovering the moon, traveling to the moon, finding the structure, the pods and all the character interaction and development. Nothing happens except for all of that stuff. Seriously were you asleep?
 
2012-06-26 03:39:35 PM

CPennypacker: Shazam999: steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

Prometheus's plot was flimsy at best: Old guy wants to live longer.

That was the whole plot. Yippee.

Visuals were excellent, but it was just basically a slasher flick.

You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple


June 19th came and went in Dublin.
 
2012-06-26 03:41:43 PM

CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.


What development? Who developed during the movie?
 
2012-06-26 03:43:05 PM

scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.

What development? Who developed during the movie?


What is this I don't even
 
2012-06-26 03:43:41 PM

justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.



Yes.

And since Weyland was on the trip, these were the best scientists his company could get for the voyage.

Their HR department is farked.
 
2012-06-26 03:46:40 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


Because this wasn't a prequel. It started out that way, but somehwere along the line Scott moved away from it being the prequel we expected. I believe there are plans for two more films.
 
2012-06-26 03:46:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: What development? Who developed during the movie?


The android had pretty good character development all along from beginning to end I thought.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:21 PM

theorellior: And for the guy who was defending "Prometheus" from all comers in the last thread I was in, yes, I understand that "Alien" was not the best movie of all time. What "Alien" had going for it was economy of purpose. It was a horror film in space, with enough backstory to get you moving, and that was it. No woo-woo handwaving, no big budgets, no big stars,


Tom Skerritt, Harry Dean Stanton, John Hurt, and Ian Holm would like a word with you. Alien had a cast of the best character actors in the business.

/really enjoyed Prometheus. The Giger sets were amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on the Blu ray.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:27 PM

theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor. And there was a specific point where I gave up and decided it wasn't up to snuff. After a long convoluted scene in which Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?


Same for me here. They just look dorky as weird, cleaned up Frankenstein Monsters. When they have the elephant mask then they look "alien-ish" plus they also made me think of Neil Gaiman's the Sandman.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:49 PM

CPennypacker: scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.

What development? Who developed during the movie?

What is this I don't even


No, he's right. There was not much of any character development. We learn that there's a guy who's an asshole for no reason, another guy who's kinda dumb, two snarky pilots, a captain who plays a concertina, an android who think's he's Peter O'Toole, a corporate girl who thinks she's an android and two scientists--a douche and a woman who dreams of her father. That's it. We get on-the-nose scenes to establish these Basic Traits and then nothing. The writer was woo-wooing around them enough that he didn't bother to write an arc.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:55 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


Bullcrup. Movie just stank.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:57 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


Not the same planet.

Went to see a monster movie. Left satisfied.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:57 PM

theorellior: And for the guy who was defending "Prometheus" from all comers in the last thread I was in, yes, I understand that "Alien" was not the best movie of all time. What "Alien" had going for it was economy of purpose. It was a horror film in space, with enough backstory to get you moving, and that was it. No woo-woo handwaving, no big budgets, no big stars,


Tom Skerritt, Harry Dean Stanton, John Hurt, and Ian Holm would like a word with you. Alien had a cast of the best character actors in the business.

/really enjoyed Prometheus. The Giger sets were amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on the Blu ray.
 
2012-06-26 03:49:25 PM
I wondered why no one noticed the worms crawling around under their feet. You would think that that might be scientifically significant, being alien life and all. And why didn't the flying mappy balls detect the worms and ping like when they detected the sleeping Engineer dude through the fricking door to the spaceship?
 
2012-06-26 03:50:00 PM

CPennypacker: You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple


Young man marries mother and murders estranged father; suffers wrath of gods and blinds himself.

Prince suspects foul play in death of his father; murders all he suspects are involved while doubting value of his own existence.
 
2012-06-26 03:50:29 PM

theorellior: CPennypacker: scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.

What development? Who developed during the movie?

What is this I don't even

No, he's right. There was not much of any character development. We learn that there's a guy who's an asshole for no reason, another guy who's kinda dumb, two snarky pilots, a captain who plays a concertina, an android who think's he's Peter O'Toole, a corporate girl who thinks she's an android and two scientists--a douche and a woman who dreams of her father. That's it. We get on-the-nose scenes to establish these Basic Traits and then nothing. The writer was woo-wooing around them enough that he didn't bother to write an arc.


Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?
 
2012-06-26 03:50:42 PM

meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.


Yup...I saw it twice even! I noted pretty much all of the points made in TFA while I watched it, and it did not affect my enjoyment at all...

I'd love to see it get picked up for a sequel.
 
2012-06-26 03:50:45 PM

CujoQuarrel: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.

Bullcrup. Movie just stank.


I agree with Spicy Wiener, so what that it didn't explain every single thing? In a film where humans went to meet their maker on an alien planet, you would think people would expect to not understand every minute detail. I really liked that about the movie. If they got there and got all the answers I wouldn't be nearly as compelling
 
2012-06-26 03:52:33 PM
VAGINA SNAKE
 
2012-06-26 03:54:07 PM

ModernPrimitive01: CujoQuarrel: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.

Bullcrup. Movie just stank.

I agree with Spicy Wiener, so what that it didn't explain every single thing? In a film where humans went to meet their maker on an alien planet, you would think people would expect to not understand every minute detail. I really liked that about the movie. If they got there and got all the answers I wouldn't be nearly as compelling


Because the humans were morons.

Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.
 
2012-06-26 03:54:57 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


Dude, my brain told me:

It was really weird for a biologist to be afraid of an alien corpse. (Aren't biologists curious about life? Particularly alien life)
It was really weird for a biologist to talk puppy talk to an alien snake and act like it couldn't possibly be deadly
It was really weird for a young actor to play a really old guy with really bad old-guy make-up.
It was really weird for scientists to think nothing of taking their helmets off in an environment with possibly unknown pathogens.
It was really weird for a corporation to spend a trillion dollars on a ship and not tell the crew beforehand what was up. ( If you're dropping that kind of money, wouldn't you want to brief people before hand. Maybe do a little training on how to work as a team in a potentially hostile environment.)
Why would you have a super fancy medical pod and program it only for dudes?( I know it was for that guy but still, a why does a super fancy medical pod even have the option of being programed only for men? The genders aren't that different.)
If you saw a worm thing crawl out of your eye, would you act like nothing was wrong or would you run like hell to the doctor?
Why did no one think it was weird that Shaw was covered in blood with a line of staples on her stomach?
Why did David infect whats-his-name with the goo? Just to see what happened? David isn't Ash. The ship wasn't on a mission to bring back a Xenomorph.

Etc...

I usually don't care about plot holes. I tend to just ignore them. I'm there to be entertained.

Prometheus was nothing but plot holes.
 
2012-06-26 03:55:04 PM

CPennypacker: theorellior: CPennypacker: scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.

What development? Who developed during the movie?

What is this I don't even

No, he's right. There was not much of any character development. We learn that there's a guy who's an asshole for no reason, another guy who's kinda dumb, two snarky pilots, a captain who plays a concertina, an android who think's he's Peter O'Toole, a corporate girl who thinks she's an android and two scientists--a douche and a woman who dreams of her father. That's it. We get on-the-nose scenes to establish these Basic Traits and then nothing. The writer was woo-wooing around them enough that he didn't bother to write an arc.

Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?


So how did Shaw develop? Or do I need to say "how did Shaw's 'character' develop" for you to understand it?

She went from a religious scientist to...a religious scientist with an alien baby.

David went from an android who hates his creators to...the head of an android who hates his creators.
 
2012-06-26 03:55:24 PM

CPennypacker: Shazam999: CPennypacker:
Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?

Nothing happens in the movie until Weyland wakes up. Seriously.

Things happen in the other movies you mention. There's PLOT! Story advances! NOTHING happens in Prometheus until Weyland wakes up.

Except for finding the cave painting, discovering the moon, traveling to the moon, finding the structure, the pods and all the character interaction and development. Nothing happens except for all of that stuff. Seriously were you asleep?


The first few things happen in minutes. Is it plot? Well, I suppose the first scene where they find the cave painting is plot. The rest isn't, because it falls out of that action.

There is no character development in the movie that matters. David's LoA scenes had zero payoff. Nobody changes, unless you count getting dumber as development.

There is no meaningful character interaction in the movie that matters until Weyland wakes up. Do you count the chat the two generic fellas had after they woke up as interaction? Again, it had no payoff.
 
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2012-06-26 03:56:07 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


He didn't. Totaly different planet.
 
2012-06-26 03:57:01 PM
Geez, you can just smell the butt-hurt in here. Prometheus was a masterpiece. Easily on par with Space Balls or Galaxy Quest.

It completely disconstructed the flaws of modern sci-fi films. Having the biologist run from a harmless dead alien, but then go right up to a live, threatening one? I was cracking up. And having the guy with the map get lost? farking hilarious!

And having Holloway perform combat gymnastics immediately after getting a c-section? Brilliantly subversive commentary on the bloodless violence of action films. And Guy Pearce's ridiculous Halloween costume? Really powerful statement on how practical effects aren't always adequate.

And the mysterious black goo, a damning condemnation of the hack writer's Macguffin - quick, we need a crew member to get sick: black goo! Now we need one to turn into a supermutant: black goo! And now we need a reason to destroy the alien ship for our climactic set piece: black goo to the rescue.

Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.
 
2012-06-26 03:57:36 PM

Blues_X: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.


Yes.

And since Weyland was on the trip, these were the best scientists his company could get for the voyage.

Their HR department is farked.


This right here is proof that people don't use their farking brains when watching movies. Spoilers ahead...

Weyland only cares about 5 people on the Prometheus:

Himself
David
His daughter
The two scientists who made the discovery

That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

That wasn't even a particularly hidden plot point. It was painfully obvious to anyone with any amount of cognitive ability.

/Cue the "If that's the case then they should have come out and said it so I wouldn't have to think! WAAAAA!!!" responses...
 
2012-06-26 03:57:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: theorellior: CPennypacker: scottydoesntknow: CPennypacker: and all the character interaction and development.

What development? Who developed during the movie?

What is this I don't even

No, he's right. There was not much of any character development. We learn that there's a guy who's an asshole for no reason, another guy who's kinda dumb, two snarky pilots, a captain who plays a concertina, an android who think's he's Peter O'Toole, a corporate girl who thinks she's an android and two scientists--a douche and a woman who dreams of her father. That's it. We get on-the-nose scenes to establish these Basic Traits and then nothing. The writer was woo-wooing around them enough that he didn't bother to write an arc.

Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?

So how did Shaw develop? Or do I need to say "how did Shaw's 'character' develop" for you to understand it?

She went from a religious scientist to...a religious scientist with an alien baby.

David went from an android who hates his creators to...the head of an android who hates his creators.


Exactly. And hell, they even put in some scenes at the end that cemented their unchanged positions.
 
2012-06-26 04:01:03 PM

CPennypacker: Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?


Neither Shaw nor David changed during the movie. Shaw's faith and pursuit of answers was unwavering, and David just switched from following Weyland's orders to following Shaw's.
 
2012-06-26 04:01:23 PM

meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.


The problem is that Tony Scott movies are supposed to be that, not Ridley Scott movies.

/not that I have a problem with Tony Scott films
 
2012-06-26 04:01:44 PM

CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.


Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.
 
2012-06-26 04:01:45 PM

CPennypacker: Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?


Because sometimes you have to care about the minor characters. When Lambert is cornered by the alien in the hold of the Nostromo, and Parker sacrifices himself trying to get her to run, you cared enough about both of them to feel tension and fear. When Douche Scientist and Asshole Geologist (or was it Dumb Biologist?) get flamethrowered to death on the landing ramp, nobody cared. They were dead, end scene.
 
2012-06-26 04:04:36 PM

theorellior: CPennypacker: Shaw and David were the main characters. Why complain about the development of minor characters?

Because sometimes you have to care about the minor characters. When Lambert is cornered by the alien in the hold of the Nostromo, and Parker sacrifices himself trying to get her to run, you cared enough about both of them to feel tension and fear. When Douche Scientist and Asshole Geologist (or was it Dumb Biologist?) get flamethrowered to death on the landing ramp, nobody cared. They were dead, end scene.


It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him, you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.

WTF, does there need to be a How to Understand Simple Story Concepts 101 class that is mandatory in all schools?
 
2012-06-26 04:06:09 PM
Seriously what the fark movie were you people watching? I mean, I can understand thinking Shaw doesn't develop much because she keeps the cross at the end but David? Come on. If you didn't like the movie, that's fine but don't be stupid about it.
 
2012-06-26 04:06:46 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.


Ooooo-kay. You go with that.

One question, though: if Weyland didn't want anyone noticing his little jaunt toward the Fountain of Youth, spending a trillion dollars on a red-herring ship, crew and mission isn't the most effective way of doing that.
 
2012-06-26 04:09:43 PM
Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

Least the geeks loved it. Adjusted for ticket sales it's now passed ALIENS in gross for the #2 spot in the franchise. It'll need about 40 million more to pass ALIEN, but I'm guessing it's got only 30 in it.

Fox is probably already in discussion for a sequel. Can't wait.
 
2012-06-26 04:11:07 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him, you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.


Except that's the point everyone's making. The characters were so one-dimensional that you didn't care who lived or died. Just based on the stupid actions of every single crew member, I wanted them all to die by the end. I would've been happy with Fassbender stranded alone on the planet just wandering around.
 
2012-06-26 04:11:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: Blues_X: vpb: Some of the trailers gave that impression


I have to mention that they had the shiattiest trailer control of any recent movie I can remember.

"Oh yeah, show everyone that there's an alien spaceship and they have to crash into it to keep it from taking off."

That was another thing that pissed me off about the movie. EVERYTHING was given away in the trailers. The first trailer (with zero dialogue, just the old school Alien music) was fine, and made me excited to see it. Then the "They're engineers, they made US!" trailer gave that away. Then the Fassbender "I didn't think you had it in you. Poor choice of words." gave away that the chick would have some kind of alien in her. Then you see their ship crash into the Engineer's ship and that's given away. I felt like I had seen the whole movie off just the trailers.

They had some terrible marketing.


Its gotten so bad with trailers giving away the whole shiat away. I'm doing my damndest to close my eyes, stick my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALA" the moment anything related to a movie I'm looking forward to comes on.
 
2012-06-26 04:11:47 PM

FarkinHostile: theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor

How did he get back on the ship and in the pilot seat to be discovered by the crew in Alien? He was killed in the survival pod after the squid-thing face raped him and a chest burster ripped out of him.

/another hole


Different planets, so assuming different ships, although I swear there was a hole in one of the pods.
 
2012-06-26 04:12:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: What development? Who developed during the movie?


That one dude developed eye fish
 
2012-06-26 04:12:24 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him, you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.


Oh, please. The ship has to be full of minor characters who I are about if I care about them being infected. And it was telegraphed from ten light years away that neither infected person was going to make it aboard. It was the Requisite Shoot 'Em Up Scene, with Flamethrowers.
 
2012-06-26 04:12:49 PM
CPennypacker: Shazam999: CPennypacker:
Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?

Nothing happens in the movie until Weyland wakes up. Seriously.

Things happen in the other movies you mention. There's PLOT! Story advances! NOTHING happens in Prometheus until Weyland wakes up.

Except for finding the cave painting, discovering the moon, traveling to the moon, finding the structure, the pods and all the character interaction and development. Nothing happens except for all of that stuff. Seriously were you asleep?


Moon was stupid too BTW. Just some dude X3 walking around, talking to a robot, and driving around on the surface. Then he jumps in the trash compactor. TaDaa!

BEST SCIFI OFF ALL TIME OMG!
 
2012-06-26 04:12:55 PM
Man exposed to gamma bomb; wrecks shiat
 
2012-06-26 04:12:55 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


I'm using my brain right now, and it's telling me you're farking hilarious, which is probably not what you intended with this post. That is my brain though, it has a soft spot for angry little people and their angry little rants. The poorly hidden, unfounded superiority complex is adding something extra too.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:02 PM

theorellior: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

Ooooo-kay. You go with that.

One question, though: if Weyland didn't want anyone noticing his little jaunt toward the Fountain of Youth, spending a trillion dollars on a red-herring ship, crew and mission isn't the most effective way of doing that.


Yeah, its not internally consistent, like so many other aspects of the film.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:52 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him,


This statement is full of fail.

If your "characters" are all just meat puppets to push pieces around your board your story is not interesting.
 
2012-06-26 04:14:15 PM

TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.


It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:14:34 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: This right here is proof that people don't use their farking brains when watching movies.



raincityguide.com
 
2012-06-26 04:16:39 PM
No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun
 
2012-06-26 04:17:31 PM

Optimus Primate: meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.

Yup...I saw it twice even! I noted pretty much all of the points made in TFA while I watched it, and it did not affect my enjoyment at all...

I'd love to see it get picked up for a sequel.


Well, camping out in freaky room did bother me after running in terror, as well as "Why not consult your brand spanking new map".

But I wanted one of those scanners.
 
2012-06-26 04:17:47 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.

Yeah, it's nerd rage. Autistic, manic nerd rage.

Like Red Letter Media Said, "if you couldn't enjoy Prometheus, however flawed, without hating it, you need to stop watching movies.". They put out their youtube as low hanging satire, and the trolls ate it up, and now look stoopid. RLM FTW!
 
2012-06-26 04:18:14 PM
I TL;DR'ed most of TFA, but detractors of this movie offer a lot of repetition of their criticism. After a 2nd viewing, I concede that the script had a few valid flaws (not just things left unexplained), but they should keep in mind the following:

Weyland (and thus David) had a very specific interest in the Engineers, and it was not history-making, or scientific value. Given David's true motivation, his behavior was very rational.

The ship's crew and landing team had some pretty significant requirements: agree to give up a minimum of 4+ years (2 years there, 2 years back) of your life to go on a mission you will not be given any information about until after its too late to bow out. What sort of scientists could they reasonably recruit, even if they were extremely well-compensated? The most courageous, most professional?

If the story featured scientists being as deliberate, cautious, and, well, scientific as actual scientists, the movie would be very boring. As soon as the spotted the straight line leading to the pyramid structure, they'd set down and start taking measurements/samples of the line itself. After a couple weeks, maybe they'd decide to move on to the exterior of the structure. A month of so later, they might actually venture inside. At some point, the need to act scientifically is outweighed by the need to be entertaining.

The oft-mentioned removing of space helmets is a prime example. Yes, it was foolish for them to equate breathable air as safe air--but from a movie standpoint, the audience needs to be able to distinguish between the different characters, and 7 people in identical suits and helmets undermines that.
 
2012-06-26 04:18:16 PM

CPennypacker: Seriously what the fark movie were you people watching? I mean, I can understand thinking Shaw doesn't develop much because she keeps the cross at the end but David? Come on. If you didn't like the movie, that's fine but don't be stupid about it.


Since I clearly don't get what you're talking about, can you please explain how David developed? I just don't see it. I was really hoping the movie would tell his story.

I would have really liked to see David ask if he had a soul or what a soul is, or having him trying too hard to prove his worth to his dismissive father. Or question the pursuit for your maker. But he didn't.
 
2012-06-26 04:18:28 PM

CPennypacker:
You can reduce any story to one sentence like that it doesn't mean the plot is simple

Seriously?

Lord of the rings:

A midget's journey to throw a ring into lava

The grapes of wrath:

Oklahoma dirt farmers move to California

Moby Dick:

Seaman is pissed at a hunts whale

Star wars:

Orphan fights in a galactic civil war

Feel free to add plot points? You can dislike what you saw if you want to but are you sure you saw the movie and not a picture with a caption under it?


"Old guy wants to live longer" is not a plot. it's a goal. "Old guy tries to live longer" is a plot. But I don't gather that's what Prometheus is about.

/haven't seen it
//my friend told me I'd just throw things at the screen
 
2012-06-26 04:18:58 PM

Fano: No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun


I just read that in bomb #20's voice.
/Hot like a thermal steller device.
 
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2012-06-26 04:19:36 PM

justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.


Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.
 
2012-06-26 04:20:42 PM

theorellior: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

Ooooo-kay. You go with that.

One question, though: if Weyland didn't want anyone noticing his little jaunt toward the Fountain of Youth, spending a trillion dollars on a red-herring ship, crew and mission isn't the most effective way of doing that.


Red herring ship? So, the ship that Weland is ON, is a red herring because he didn't pick the best of the best for the crew? Are you on drugs?

This was basically, "OK, we've got the important people on board, now just find me bodies to fill seats so we can get this thing off the ground." There could be any number of reasons why they had those other folks there. Legal requirements, company policy, etc. OK, so they don't take time to explain this shiat to you...that just means you get to use your farking imagination instead of biatching about plot holes that aren't actually plot holes.

As for spending a trillion dollars on the trip somehow being counter-indacative of him trying to keep things on the downlow, if that's how much it costs, that's how much it costs. Besides, you have no idea how much creative accounting may or may not have gone on back on Earth to hide the cost of the trip. And that's part of my point. The movie doesn't explain something to you, and instead of seeking to figure it out on your own, or come up with some interesting ideas of the whys and hows, you want to sit there and biatch that the answer wasn't handed to you.
 
2012-06-26 04:22:11 PM

TyrantII: YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.


Whatever, man. I'm glad you can glean whatever joy you can out of this perceived schadenfreude. It's really just a movie, but movies can, and have, been done much better.
 
2012-06-26 04:22:46 PM

Fano: No Country for Old Men: "Things aren't like they used to be"
Deliverance: "Guys go rafting in Georgia with bad consequences"

This is fun


Pulp Fiction: Two guys pick up the bosses laundry.
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf: Drunks arguing.
The Godfather: Veteran takes over his father's business.
Gone With the Wind: Kissing and a house fire.
Jaws: Three guys go fishing for the weekend.

This is fun!
 
2012-06-26 04:23:12 PM
vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.


Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.
 
2012-06-26 04:25:42 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.
 
2012-06-26 04:26:22 PM
This did bother me, but I assume the engineers were running from whatever came out, which oddly wasn't recorded...

i83.photobucket.com

Notice the hole in the pod?
 
2012-06-26 04:26:23 PM

vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.


Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.
 
2012-06-26 04:27:28 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Red herring ship? So, the ship that Weland is ON, is a red herring because he didn't pick the best of the best for the crew? Are you on drugs?

This was basically, "OK, we've got the important people on board, now just find me bodies to fill seats so we can get this thing off the ground." There could be any number of reasons why they had those other folks there. Legal requirements, company policy, etc. OK, so they don't take time to explain this shiat to you...that just means you get to use your farking imagination instead of biatching about plot holes that aren't actually plot holes.

As for spending a trillion dollars on the trip somehow being counter-indacative of him trying to keep things on the downlow, if that's how much it costs, that's how much it costs. Besides, you have no idea how much creative accounting may or may not have gone on back on Earth to hide the cost of the trip. And that's part of my point. The movie doesn't explain something to you, and instead of seeking to figure it out on your own, or come up with some interesting ideas of the whys and hows, you want to sit there and biatch that the answer wasn't handed to you.


Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."
 
2012-06-26 04:27:41 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: YOUR TEARS, SO, SO SWEET.

Whatever, man. I'm glad you can glean whatever joy you can out of this perceived schadenfreude. It's really just a movie, but movies can, and have, been done much better.


Hey, I never said it's the best movie of all time. But worst movie of the summer, it ain't either. It's right up there with ALIEN and Blade Runner though. Flawed, ambitious and good in it's own terms. It's Ridley Scott, love him or hate him.

The film itself follows an ALIEN setup and outline so close, it almost doesn't work People are yelling about fifield and milburn, when the scene was obviously patronage to ALIEN. Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

My biggest issue was actually the Deacon birth at the end. It felt a little out of place and tacked on after Shaw and Davids departure. I really wish it was at the end of the credit roll as an epilogue, since I doubt they're ever going to even come back to that.
 
2012-06-26 04:29:02 PM

Funbags: The oft-mentioned removing of space helmets is a prime example. Yes, it was foolish for them to equate breathable air as safe air--but from a movie standpoint, the audience needs to be able to distinguish between the different characters, and 7 people in identical suits and helmets undermines that.


Too bad they couldn't have made those helmets out of something you could see through.

Look, I liked the movie, but the way the science team acted made me want to kick Ridley Scott in the balls. He's better than that. No, wait. He made "legend".
 
2012-06-26 04:29:07 PM

TyrantII: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.


I like how you think this takes away from my argument, instead of adding to it.

Thanks for proving me right moron. And go ahead, go pull those quotes that explain all this. Would LOVE for you to be able to do that. But you can't, since they never happened.

Bad writing. It's that simple. If you take offense to this fact, its probably because you were one of the crappy writers deserving of shame.
 
2012-06-26 04:29:58 PM

meat0918: Notice the hole in the pod?


Good catch. I expect better of Ridley Scott.
 
2012-06-26 04:30:15 PM
meat0918: This did bother me, but I assume the engineers were running from whatever came out, which oddly wasn't recorded...

[i83.photobucket.com image 640x360]

Notice the hole in the pod?


The Dead Engineers piled at the door also had holes in their chest. Same thing that happened with the Deacon at the end happened earlier. But that's 2000 years before the crew gets there. Without other flesh to procreate, those deacons are probably long gone.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:12 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.


I know. Some of the frustration I feel is because it was just sloppy writing. Lazy, fax-it-in writing. It wouldn't have been so hard to tighten this up nicely.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:29 PM
justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


No.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.
 
2012-06-26 04:31:47 PM

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


Hey, I liked the movie, but the whole scene of them going back and not recoiling in fear at strange alien life was indeed really dumb. It still got me going "Dude, get the fark away", and I knew he was going to get attacked, and I still jumped when it happened.

They should have probably ran though, and been chased by the snake things, and died off screen with some horrible screaming.

I lost track of who was who and I thought toasted Charlie had survived being BBQ'd, and that it wasn't the pothead geologist coming back.
 
2012-06-26 04:32:25 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener:
Weyland only cares about 5 people on the Prometheus:

Himself
David
His daughter
The two scientists who made the discovery

That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

That wasn't even a particularly hidden plot point. It was painfully obvious to anyone with any amount of cognitive ability.

/Cue the "If that's the case then they should have come out and said it so I wouldn't have to think! WAAAAA!!!" responses...


So you're saying a successful trillionaire intentionally hired incompetent people who put the success of his mission - the most important thing in his life - in jeopardy, on purpose. And you're saying this is a thing you believe is realistic and good story-telling.
 
2012-06-26 04:35:14 PM

TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.


Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.
 
2012-06-26 04:36:07 PM
I'm pretty sure Prometheus was a comedy.

Namely, the Claw surgery device, which reminded everyone I went with of those claw machine in grocery stores that pluck out stuffed animals and the like. I pictured some kid right outside the tube, guiding the claw into that poor woman's stomach.

Right after, she was stuck inside the tube with the rubber squid, shrieking for dear life and pounding on the glass. The theater snicked as the rubber squid looked ridiculous. Then the machine injects Home Depot staples into her stomach. Unless your Frankenstein, stitches don't work that way.

Carrying Fassbender's head around? Good for a laugh.

Random zombie man showing up and knocking around the crew? Somewhat amusing.

A supposed "scientist" acting like a complete idiot around a very ominous looking penis-snake? Facepalm-worthy writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:36:09 PM
Dr.Zom:

So you're saying a successful trillionaire intentionally hired incompetent people who put the success of his mission - the most important thing in his life - in jeopardy, on purpose. And you're saying this is a thing you believe is realistic and good story-telling.


Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!
 
2012-06-26 04:36:17 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.


I like how "it's not nerd rage" is immediately followed with a slur. It's like saying "I'm not angry, you *&$*#($&$*#(@(@(!@*#*#!

That is some nerd rage if I've ever seen it. If you all hated the movie so much why not forget about it and move on instead of getting yourself all riled up about a movie you don't like? If nothing else people have talked more about this movie than any other movie I've seen in a long time. To prompt this much discussion it can't be that bad.

/big Alien nerd and loved Prometheus. I don't need to understand everything 100%, it's about an alien world filled with more advanced creatures. It's supposed to be mysterious
 
2012-06-26 04:37:08 PM

TyrantII: The Dead Engineers piled at the door also had holes in their chest. Same thing that happened with the Deacon at the end happened earlier. But that's 2000 years before the crew gets there. Without other flesh to procreate, those deacons are probably long gone.


I thought a few of them had their heads exploded as well?
 
2012-06-26 04:37:38 PM
Farking magnets, how do they work?
 
2012-06-26 04:38:30 PM
theorellior: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, and 99% of the plot holes could have been rectified with dialogue, no extra set pieces needed. Literally just a few writing changes and it'd be fine.

I know. Some of the frustration I feel is because it was just sloppy writing. Lazy, fax-it-in writing. It wouldn't have been so hard to tighten this up nicely.


Ahhh, back to LOST butthurt?

Makes me glad I never got suckered into that show. Maybe i would have would have the rage of a thousand troll for this movie Lindelof too...
 
2012-06-26 04:38:44 PM

TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.


Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.
 
2012-06-26 04:39:31 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.


Technically, the med-bay was the Chekhov's Gun, the proto-squid-fetus then became Chekhov's Gunman
 
2012-06-26 04:40:43 PM
Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief. How can their DNA be 100% human when they look so different? If that Engineer at the start is seeding a barren planet with life then how come there's an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere for him to breath?

fark it. Just stupid, insulting crap. Transformers with delusions of grandeur.
 
2012-06-26 04:41:11 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.


Well... I didn't.

//didn't care when tentacle eye got burned alive either
 
2012-06-26 04:41:16 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Blues_X: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.


Yes.

And since Weyland was on the trip, these were the best scientists his company could get for the voyage.

Their HR department is farked.

This right here is proof that people don't use their farking brains when watching movies. Spoilers ahead...

Weyland only cares about 5 people on the Prometheus:

Himself
David
His daughter
The two scientists who made the discovery

That's it. The rest of the crew is just filler in Weyland's eyes. Their level of competence, ability to cooperate, etc, are all completely irrelevant to him, as long as they can get those 5 individuals to the destination alive. This was not a "best and the brightest" type of mission. In fact, since this was basically Weyland's attempt at real immortality, he wouldn't want to bring the best people for the job. That would attract too much attention, and he sure as hell isn't going to want to share the secret of eternal youth if he finds it.

That wasn't even a particularly hidden plot point. It was painfully obvious to anyone with any amount of cognitive ability.

/Cue the "If that's the case then they should have come out and said it so I wouldn't have to think! WAAAAA!!!" responses...


That explanation is completely moronic. I really hope you feel ashamed of yourself for having typed that.
 
2012-06-26 04:41:45 PM

TyrantII: justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.

No.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.


Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.
 
2012-06-26 04:42:33 PM

TyrantII: Ahhh, back to LOST butthurt?


No, I never watched "Lost", because it looked half-baked and full of woo-woo hand-waving. Coincidentally, so does "Prometheus". Hmmmm...
 
2012-06-26 04:43:40 PM
ModernPrimitive01: theorellior: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

It's not nerd rage, asshole, it's disappointment at crappy writing.

I like how "it's not nerd rage" is immediately followed with a slur. It's like saying "I'm not angry, you *&$*#($&$*#(@(@(!@*#*#!

That is some nerd rage if I've ever seen it. If you all hated the movie so much why not forget about it and move on instead of getting yourself all riled up about a movie you don't like? If nothing else people have talked more about this movie than any other movie I've seen in a long time. To prompt this much discussion it can't be that bad.

/big Alien nerd and loved Prometheus. I don't need to understand everything 100%, it's about an alien world filled with more advanced creatures. It's supposed to be mysterious


Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.

Wana-be hipsters and nerd uniting in their LOST rage for investing hundred of hours in a bad TV series. Have you seen twitter towards him, i's just as sweet.

Still, it won't change a thing. People like this movie,flaws and all, and it'll be getting a sequel. Trek 09's sequels coming soon too. Expect a repeat. Actually Linds is on for the battle of yonkers first. We'll get a repeat there.
 
2012-06-26 04:43:52 PM

theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."


You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.
 
2012-06-26 04:44:33 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Geez, you can just smell the butt-hurt in here. Prometheus was a masterpiece. Easily on par with Space Balls or Galaxy Quest.

It completely disconstructed the flaws of modern sci-fi films. Having the biologist run from a harmless dead alien, but then go right up to a live, threatening one? I was cracking up. And having the guy with the map get lost? farking hilarious!

And having Holloway perform combat gymnastics immediately after getting a c-section? Brilliantly subversive commentary on the bloodless violence of action films. And Guy Pearce's ridiculous Halloween costume? Really powerful statement on how practical effects aren't always adequate.

And the mysterious black goo, a damning condemnation of the hack writer's Macguffin - quick, we need a crew member to get sick: black goo! Now we need one to turn into a supermutant: black goo! And now we need a reason to destroy the alien ship for our climactic set piece: black goo to the rescue.

Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.


This is awesome.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: Technically, the med-bay was the Chekhov's Gun, the proto-squid-fetus then became Chekhov's Gunman


No, the alien squid fetus was also a Chekhov's gun, because once we knew it was there, it had to be used, which it was in the final Boss Fight. Not that they didn't telegraph that scene, as well, with alien squid tentacles visible through the window before the Space Jockey comes crashing in.

Completely on-the-nose, bullshiat writing.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:18 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.


With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.
 
2012-06-26 04:45:44 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


LOLWAT? The biggest annoyance I had with Prometheus was that every 20 minutes, someone not related to a scene would step in, explain everything that was going on to that point, and then step out of the scene. There was no need for any critical thinking because the audience was bashed over the head by the story over and over and over again.
 
2012-06-26 04:46:37 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


ITT - contrarian who doesn't understand movie quality wants everyone to be as ignorant as him about movie quality.

Difficulty - not everyone is a brain-dead moron who takes everything at face value.

Good luck sir.
 
2012-06-26 04:47:26 PM

TyrantII: Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.


You must bring the people you know so much happiness and joy to their lives.
 
2012-06-26 04:48:19 PM

MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?


I'm really and truly hoping that the director's cut makes sense of this movie because all the parts that made it to screen were pretty good, IMO. They just didn't fit together in any way that makes sense.

I mean, Scott knows how to make movies, right? He's made any number of great ones and even his minor ones are coherent. I've just got to believe that this movie was over-edited and that the real movie is still waiting to be seen.
 
2012-06-26 04:48:57 PM

TyrantII: theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.

With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.


By all means, try and start a discussion. All you've been doing is insulting people who didn't like the movie, not really starting much yourself besides flamewars. I'd love to have a discussion besides the glaring plot holes.
 
2012-06-26 04:49:00 PM

TyrantII: theorellior: TyrantII: You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

Just a thought, you could be less of a dick in these threads.

With 150 post of vag complaints by the same 5 or 6 alts above in the space of 40 min, I'll wag my dick as I please good sir.

I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.

You must have been getting a handy from your BF or something. We seem to have seen different movies. You're missing a lot of what was shown and told to you explicitly.

"Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations. "

Ya, seems like you really want to have discussion, not just shout down everyone who is smarter than you about movies... Whatever, as long as you feel superior in the end, who cares that you can't actually prove any of your invalid points, amirite?
 
2012-06-26 04:49:57 PM

TyrantII: I'd love for a real discussion thread for the movie, but looks like fark won' be having one.


Well, then, I think your work here is done. I bet there are better threads that are more deserving of your time.
 
2012-06-26 04:51:43 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


Hmm, well, those weren't the plot holes I thought of.

There's only one real serious plot hole: why wasn't anyone wondering where Shaw went? Especially David.
 
2012-06-26 04:52:31 PM

Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.


The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.


How can their DNA be 100% human when they look so different?

Both of these people have 100% human DNA, yet they look as different from each other as the Engineers do from us:

graphics8.nytimes.com
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If that Engineer at the start is seeding a barren planet with life then how come there's an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere for him to breath?

That wasn't a barren planet. Not sure what gave you that idea, but you do see some plant life as they pan across the landscape.
 
2012-06-26 04:52:34 PM
justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.


Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.
 
2012-06-26 04:53:20 PM

theorellior: TyrantII: Scott then shows us his new, modern version of tension and horror with the Cesarian scene.

Which was also botched by lazy writing. A high-tech, futuristic medical device that can't handle women? Right there you've just taken me out of the scene. And, in the end, that scene effects nothing. Shaw went on to do things that a woman with staples in her abdomen couldn't do. It was just a delivery vehicle for an alien squid fetus, which is basically waving Checkov's gun in the audience's face.


I figured the awesome 22-century painkillers were doing their jobs.
 
2012-06-26 04:53:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.


I think I love you. (and I liked Prometheus.)
thelaughingmarcus.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-26 04:54:08 PM

TyrantII: Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!


Let's ask Hicks and Newt about that.

If I was a secretive trillionaire and knew that I would be flying across vast reaches of uncharted space while in stasis - completely naked to a hostile environment if anything goes wrong - I would not hire my crew from Labor Ready. I'm just saying.

/as I said, haven't seen it
 
2012-06-26 04:54:18 PM

TyrantII: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Also, if the trolls paid attention they were talking with the ship to get directions. They didn't have a onsite mapping device. Then there's the storm interference, which was shown and even used as a joke in the dialogue.

I'd wager 90% of the crap above can be explained via actual dialogue or visual cues. There wasn't much loose in the film or plot, as it couldn't be. The damn thing was 117min runtime and flew by.


My memory is a bit hazy, but I also wondered if explicitly showing Fiefield (the geologist) getting high was meant to in part (in addition to the storm interference) explain why he and Millburn got lost. The guy was very clearly portrayed as something of a headcase. He got spooked by the alien corpses, tried to "relax" and became confused.
 
2012-06-26 04:55:08 PM

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


Yeah... But it's not like the layout was all that complicated. They could've just described their position, captain Sisko could've found out where they were and given them some basic directions.
 
2012-06-26 04:56:03 PM
Carlo Spicy-Wiener: theorellior: Will you listen to yourself? When you have to type that much text to explain what the hell you think the movie was trying to do, then the writer has failed. The movie tried to explain too much, in too hamhanded a fashion, and in doing so tripped over it's own inconsistencies. Proper writing makes you think, "Whoa, what just happened? I need to think this over?" Not, "Wait, what just happened? That was stupid, and contradicted something I just saw."

You're missing the point. From what I've read, at least 90% of the complaints about plot holes or something in the movie "being stupid" are the result of people not using their farking brains.

"Why, after having a conversation with Weyland in which David was told to 'try harder', did David put that stuff in the guy's drink? That makes no sense!"
"Why was that incredibly rare machine, of which only 10 exist anywhere, programmed just for men? That makes no sense!"
"Why doesn't the crew, who've we've already been told were hired at different times from different places and many of which are meeting for the very first time, get along? That makes no sense!"
"After 30,000 years, that constellation would be totally different, so they couldn't have found the planet they went to. Never mind that we've been able to extrapolate the movement of celestial bodies for thousands of years before we even had computers and would therefore be able to determine what stars would have been in that visual configuration as seen from Earth at that time. That makes no sense!"

The list of "plot holes" just goes on and on, and they're almost all examples of people not being able or willing to think for themselves.

Was Prometheus a fantastic movie? Not really. Was it entertaining? Yes. Is it any where near as flawed as the Internets would have us believe? Not even close.


BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, but won't be great unless a prequel justifies it's greatness as a complete story:

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/
 
2012-06-26 04:58:12 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: Look at this thread, it's beautiful! It's like Han shooting second, or Trek 2009.

You must bring the people you know so much happiness and joy to their lives.


I'm a destroyer of worlds, deal with it.
 
2012-06-26 04:58:29 PM

TyrantII: BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, bu ...


Yeah, I'm criticizing it, but I actually did enjoy it. 3/5 from me.

It could've been done better though. I blame Lost-man, because he's a dickhead.
 
2012-06-26 05:01:02 PM

TyrantII: I'm a destroyer of worlds, deal with it.


[rolls eyes]
 
2012-06-26 05:01:25 PM

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


So easy to refute. Never said he had a map. I said it's retarded he DIDN'T. Entirely inplausable given the level of technology being used to map them. All it would take is a smartphone to feed the data to.

The conversation with the captain and static doesn't work either, seeing as that conversation happened after they were stuck. There was no mention of them talking to the captain when they were trying to get out of the tunnel before the storm, which they would have done if they had gotten lost. In fact, they don't refer to being lost until after everyone has somehow passed them and escaped. Maybe I just paid more attention to the movie than you did though, in which case, you should really just shut the hell up.

When the captain did talk to them, he messed with them saying one scanner found a life source East (maybe West, i forget) of them. They get scared. So the logical conclusion is to go from the pile of bodies, to the one place the one guy is deathly afraid of? Doesn't hold up. Maybe if you add one line like, "Well that room is as far West (East) from that location as possible, I hate the idea, but lets go hide there." Alas they didn't because that would be non-lazy writing. Something I really don't expect you understand.

Obviously there were no communication issues seeing as the people fleeing were on the communications with the captain while our other two idiots were somehow lost and didn't pass them. So again, you have misremembered the movie and made up parts in your head to have it make sense, where the rest of us can actually comprehend what we see and realize glaring plot holes.

Your post here has shown me that you have the cognitive ability of a child. No wonder you are so defensive about people who are explaining movie critiquing to you.
 
2012-06-26 05:02:40 PM
Dr.Zom: TyrantII: Must have missed when his life was in danger. He had his own security, an android doing his bidding and was in stasis in a totally sectioned of part of the ship with it's own capabilities to sustain him separate from the crew for years.

The crew were simply tools, and then Guinea Pigs. Weylands a sociopathic, eccentric trillionaire with a ends justify the means philosophy. Works for me!

Let's ask Hicks and Newt about that.

If I was a secretive trillionaire and knew that I would be flying across vast reaches of uncharted space while in stasis - completely naked to a hostile environment if anything goes wrong - I would not hire my crew from Labor Ready. I'm just saying.

/as I said, haven't seen it


Thing was he was hours or days from death, depending on who's account is right. This was called putting all ones chips on black.

So he either finds his fountain, or dies.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 05:03:34 PM

Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.



I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

Why did David put the black goo in Holloway drink? Because Weyland told him to "try harder" to find a way to keep him stay alive, and he was testing it out of Holloway.

How did David know that there were more ships? Because he read the writing on the wall. Literally. It is obvious that he could read the Engineer writing and didn't tell the crew because he had an agenda of his own.

Why did David walk around touching things randomly? He didn't. He could read the labels and had a prety good idea what he was doing.

Why did the Engineers leave an invitation to their military base? Maybe it isn't. The captian just assumed that.

How does Shaw live with no food? She had two years worth of food and oxygen, as the captian stated when he ejected the lifeboat.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.
 
2012-06-26 05:03:37 PM
Ironically, I enjoyed the movie.

I just can also realize it has gigantic plot holes without letting that fact ruin my experience.

I guess not everyone can be objective though.
 
2012-06-26 05:03:57 PM
On a side note, if I was a trillionaire and had the ability to go into stasis - and I wanted immortality - I would just spend 6 months to 6 years in stasis every so often and it would feel like I was immortal. I could play with my great great grandchildren. Plus all that lovely interest would be building in my bank account. While I had no expenses. I like sleeping anyway.

Also: Writing about stupid people doing stupid things is much easier than writing about smart people doing smart things. (See: Soap Operas)
 
2012-06-26 05:05:17 PM

Ed Grubermann: Too bad they couldn't have made those helmets out of something you could see through.


You can distinguish between them in close ups, but in any wider shots, or from the side/back you wouldn't see enough facial detail.
 
2012-06-26 05:05:50 PM

Shazam999: TyrantII: BINGO. Also, pure, unadulterated NERD RAGE.

RLM reviewed it the best (and is entertaining in doing so). Good summer scifi movie, bu ...

Yeah, I'm criticizing it, but I actually did enjoy it. 3/5 from me.

It could've been done better though. I blame Lost-man, because he's a dickhead.


Me and my friends made fun of it non stop for an hour without reading anything about it. I still said I enjoyed it, but it truly was stupid. I just hate when people try to call it "smart" or that people who like it should be allowed to point their noses up at people.
 
2012-06-26 05:05:58 PM
ITT: People using their imagination and brains to try and explain to me how bad Prometheus is and that I'm wrong for suggesting they use their imagination and brains to enjoy the movie more.

The irony is staggering.
 
2012-06-26 05:08:19 PM

vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

Why did David put the black goo in Holloway drink? Because Weyland told him to "try harder" to find a way to keep him stay alive, and he was testing it out of Holloway.

How did David know that there were more ships? Because he read the writing on the wall. Literally. It is obvious that he could read the Engineer writing and didn't tell the crew because he had an agenda of his own.

Why did David walk around touching things randomly? He didn't. He could read the labels and had a prety good idea what he was doing.

Why did the Engineers leave an invitation to their military base? Maybe it isn't. The captian just assumed that.

How does Shaw live with no food? She had two years worth of food and oxygen, as the captian stated when he ejected the lifeboat.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.


None of these were the significant plot holes.

Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?

Etc etc etc. This excludes my personal favorite of how the mapper with an unblocked comm gets lost and passed up by a bunch of other people in a nearly linear tunnel. How did they not detect the living worms? Why were they not more cautious around their first living discovery? I can go on and on and on there were so many ridiculous plot holes that had absolutely no explaination.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:03 PM
Shazam999: TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.

Yeah... But it's not like the layout was all that complicated. They could've just described their position, captain Sisko could've found out where they were and given them some basic directions.


That's fair. But what kind of man are you if you need to ask for directions? I mean, really?

I was actually quite surprised how simple they made the CGI layout. To me that was lazy on the FX part, since they could have made it much more confusing to get the point across. Likewise, the 100% DNA match was CGI use too, it was up in the corner of the CGI display that gave the audience that information. It should have said 100% genetic marker match, or some sort. But they went with the dumb version.

The second female scientist also kept bundling her obvious techy lines too. She says 3% CO2, when it's obvious she meant 3% CO (first is minimally toxic, second kills in seconds), same with miliamps vs amps for the head scene. 30 Amps is a nice well done steak. Blunders like that aren't uncommon for technobable.

If thats the stuff that makes a movie unwatchable, I'm not sure what people actually enjoy.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:18 PM
I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.
 
2012-06-26 05:09:24 PM
It was the movie version of Lost, set in space, with alien stuff capable of doing whatever helps the plot at that particular moment. The end is the same (everyone died on the trip there, this was just their own personal judgment)
 
2012-06-26 05:09:33 PM
It was a pretty movie.
/ shhhhh...pretty.
// "pats head"
 
2012-06-26 05:11:03 PM

justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)


Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.
 
2012-06-26 05:12:53 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT: People using their imagination and brains to try and explain to me how bad Prometheus is and that I'm wrong for suggesting they use their imagination and brains to enjoy the movie more.

The irony is staggering.


I tell people that all the time about Jack & Jill. "Use your imagination and brains," I tell them. "Enjoy the movie more!"

So far, no luck, but I'm not giving up!
 
2012-06-26 05:13:53 PM
justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.
 
2012-06-26 05:14:18 PM

justtray: What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?..


Link

"This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life."

I'm not sure what else people think he would've said.
 
2012-06-26 05:15:32 PM

theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.


Last security footage during an emergency?
 
2012-06-26 05:16:27 PM
vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.


I don't even think it's that. I think the rage comes down to two factions:

It wasn't a direct ALIEN/ALIENS prequel
Damon Lindelof was the co-writer.

Sort of like the JJ Trek hate.
 
2012-06-26 05:17:13 PM

Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?


That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.
 
2012-06-26 05:19:19 PM

TyrantII: justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.


Just so that we agree you have poor taste and even worst critical analysis abilities, I don't care what you enjoy. Go watch some Transporter 1,2,3. You don't have to do much thinking. You'll enjoy it.

I never asked for realism, but that's a nice straw man that no one has argued for. We just would like for there to be less plot holes if you want to consider the movie 'good' in a critical sense. As I mentioned, I still enjoyed it, but as far as movie writing goes, it was very poor and lazy. I hope they do much better with the sequel.
 
2012-06-26 05:19:47 PM

justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?


Ah, there's your problem. You don't know what a plot hole is. A plot hole is when a story is not consistent with itself. For example, if they told you that the ship runs on pure unicorn farts and cannot use any other type of fuel, but they then refuel the ship with zebra farts, that is a plot hole. None of the things you list are plot holes. They're things you don't have an answer for. Some suggested answers:

The Engineers weren't running from an outbreak, per se, but the result of an outbreak. I.e., one of their number turned all mutated and killy. It's likely that they were running for one of the truly secure places in the facility.
We aren't told what planet was at the beginning, but given that the rest of the story deals with the origins of human life on Earth, we can make a pretty educated guess that it was supposed to be Earth.
David said, "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." (This was translated by the linguistics consultant who worked on the film)
 
2012-06-26 05:19:51 PM

theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.


David activated that hologram. As for why the recording happened...Lindelof or whatever his name is is the excuse.

This feels like the thread to do this...

Okay my insane theory is that a human 100k plus years ago actually made the engineers considering they look much more like an engineered species in their perfection and muscle tone and that we on earth were an experiment by the engineers to recreate the race that were their masters.

Go on. I was a fan of lost so this is what I do with these types of stories that don't make much sense..
 
2012-06-26 05:19:53 PM

meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


Were they running from anything? If they're running to the storage room, maybe they're aiming to shut something down or contain it.
 
2012-06-26 05:20:23 PM

meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


The smoke monster.
 
2012-06-26 05:20:31 PM

Wayne 985: I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.


Because Jesus was an Engineer and humans killed him.
 
2012-06-26 05:21:11 PM
meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.


Looked to me they were running from the infected engineer dude, the one who's head is cut off and we find out is infected with goo. Which is later confirmed when mutant fifield goes xeno on the crews ass in the hanger bay, and doesn't die so easily.

Really, you guys need to see it again and stop the texting!
 
2012-06-26 05:22:30 PM

Teufelaffe: Wayne 985: I really enjoyed the origins of the aliens (and humans) and Fassbender as David. Overall, those two things were enough to make me like the film as a whole. I'm also hoping for a sequel to know why the Engineers are so pissed off.

Because Jesus was an Engineer and humans killed him.


Then they drank his blood and ate his flesh.
 
2012-06-26 05:22:40 PM
justtray: TyrantII: justtray: meh

Sounds like you should write movies, since you go that all down. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy some successful R Rated SciFi. Hopefully it leads to more, good, bad and ugly, from all the studios.

If I want hyper-realism fiction, there's plenty of hard scifi novels around. There was nothing wrong with Prometheus, besides it coming out in the age of the internet nerd. ALIEN actually got the same kind of reviews in 79-80 from print media. People forget, trolls move on, ect.

Just so that we agree you have poor taste and even worst critical analysis abilities, I don't care what you enjoy. Go watch some Transporter 1,2,3. You don't have to do much thinking. You'll enjoy it.

I never asked for realism, but that's a nice straw man that no one has argued for. We just would like for there to be less plot holes if you want to consider the movie 'good' in a critical sense. As I mentioned, I still enjoyed it, but as far as movie writing goes, it was very poor and lazy. I hope they do much better with the sequel.


I don't think your understanding of what a true plothole is, is correct. Thats a big problem right there.
 
2012-06-26 05:25:36 PM

Teufelaffe: When you reduce pretty much any movie's plot to a short sentence, it ends up sounding flimsy.


I can reduce plots to almost irrelevant statements harder than anyone. Dune, LoTR, Star Wars, Harold & Kumar : Epic road trip.
 
2012-06-26 05:29:35 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Where was the scene at the beginning supposed to take place? That planet? Earth? How do you know and why?

How did an outbreak, or whatever caused the Engineers to run/hide occur? It seems that the majority of the ooze was contained behind those very walls they attempted to run behind.

What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?

Ah, there's your problem. You don't know what a plot hole is. A plot hole is when a story is not consistent with itself. For example, if they told you that the ship runs on pure unicorn farts and cannot use any other type of fuel, but they then refuel the ship with zebra farts, that is a plot hole. None of the things you list are plot holes. They're things you don't have an answer for. Some suggested answers:

The Engineers weren't running from an outbreak, per se, but the result of an outbreak. I.e., one of their number turned all mutated and killy. It's likely that they were running for one of the truly secure places in the facility.
We aren't told what planet was at the beginning, but given that the rest of the story deals with the origins of human life on Earth, we can make a pretty educated guess that it was supposed to be Earth.
David said, "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." (This was translated by the linguistics consultant who worked on the film)


So you just assume they were running from their own. Why do you assume that? That's a plot hole. Especially with the pile of dead bodies. Didn't seem like a psychopathic killer alien would group up a bunch of dead bodies. But we can't know, because the plot is missing that 'hole' you might say.

Another assumption on the planet. I thought it was the alien world and that was their way of explaining how the outbreak occurred. Maybe that alien wanted to be a Martyr and didn't believe in genocide so sabotaged the installation. Yet another plot hole that you just make assumptions on because you're not a critical, intelligent individual. You think whatever your head made up is the only answer.

The translation is great, but it doesn't explain why he then ripped the head off the android and killed the rest. In fact, it only adds to the confusing motive of the alien that we never really find out.

Gotta love being told you don't know what a plot hole is by people who literally make up their own facts in their heads to fill said plot holes and expect everyone else to come to the same, unsupported conclusions. Thank god you kids don't have any real say in movie production. Your ignorance on the topic is unparalleled.
 
2012-06-26 05:30:50 PM

TyrantII: meat0918: Wayne 985: theorellior: justtray: Why did the engineers, who were attempting to hide or run, go into the one room that contained all the biological weapons? (the guy with his head cut off)

Actually, I didn't quite get why there would be a holographic recording of that event, and why it would just play randomly. Maybe someone who can use his brain could spin up an ex-post-facto explanation for me.

Last security footage during an emergency?

That also happens to miss whatever they were running from.

Looked to me they were running from the infected engineer dude, the one who's head is cut off and we find out is infected with goo. Which is later confirmed when mutant fifield goes xeno on the crews ass in the hanger bay, and doesn't die so easily.

Really, you guys need to see it again and stop the texting!


oh... duh. He was lagging a bit, wasn't he?
 
2012-06-26 05:32:04 PM
I like origin stories. They explain things that make prior exposure to the content easier to understand.
I like the Alien franchise. Xenomorph goodness right there... granted I usually only consider Alien and Aliens in this.

Prometheus has wonderful visuals/aesthetics/designs/etc, a few good bits of acting.
It had outright shiat for writing. Dialog, plot, character motivations, high-school level science was not 'confusing', it was pants on head retarded. Wait, scratch that, even mentally challenged/disabled people can do better than this crap. It was bad.

I should've gone to see Brave.
 
2012-06-26 05:32:06 PM

Funbags: Ed Grubermann: Too bad they couldn't have made those helmets out of something you could see through.

You can distinguish between them in close ups, but in any wider shots, or from the side/back you wouldn't see enough facial detail.


Um, no. I could tell who was who just fine. Did you have a problem when Mr Tentacle Rape and Mad Max put their helmets back on? It doesn't wash. It's stupid.

And that's the big problem I have with the movie: everybody had to be stupid for it to work.
 
2012-06-26 05:33:37 PM
Well written, good snark, and very thorough.
 
2012-06-26 05:37:57 PM
Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?
 
2012-06-26 05:38:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: Shostie: scottydoesntknow: Why would they cut that out?

Time.

I understand that, but if it's actually critical to the plot, why would you cut it out?

Like when they cut out the story of Ripley's daughter in Aliens. The one about how she wanted to see her daughter (promised to be home on her 11th birthday), but 67 years had passed and her daughter was already dead. That story gave the entire motivation for why Ripley cared so much for Newt/why she risked her life to save the kid. Otherwise you're wondering why Ripley even cared about some kid she met in a dirty air duct.


Basic human empathy?
 
2012-06-26 05:42:29 PM

justtray: Another assumption on the planet. I thought it was the alien world and that was their way of explaining how the outbreak occurred. Maybe that alien wanted to be a Martyr and didn't believe in genocide so sabotaged the installation.


What the hell? Why would you assume that? I thought it was obvious that it was Earth. The ship is leaving and one dude is left behind, followed by a montage of the guy's cells breaking down and seeding the water and a movie about humanity's birth via aliens.

The translation is great, but it doesn't explain why he then ripped the head off the android and killed the rest. In fact, it only adds to the confusing motive of the alien that we never really find out

That's the point of the open ending. They don't know why the Engineers wanted to kill humanity and they're going to find out.

I thought both points were made very clearly in the film.
 
2012-06-26 05:43:57 PM
telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

To be fair, it was a cute, killer alien. Kane, the XO of a billion/trillion dollar ore and mining ship, farking around with creepy look alien egg is up there. Or the ALIEN not ripping Ripley to shreds when it blocked her way to the shuttle. Or The captain and XO both going on an away team, after leaving the Nos alone in orbit with no crew. Or a host of other nitpicks, that aren't plot holes, but are valid things that are done to move the story along.
 
2012-06-26 05:44:23 PM

telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?


Yes, and let's look at that scene. Until the Alien drops down to kill him, they think they're dealing with something the size of the chest burster. After they piss themselves with the cat red herring, they went on auto-pilot (as people can do in stressful situations) and, well, we see what that got them. It was a completely believable episode of post-stress brain fart.
 
2012-06-26 05:45:35 PM

Cinaed: I like origin stories. They explain things that make prior exposure to the content easier to understand.
I like the Alien franchise. Xenomorph goodness right there... granted I usually only consider Alien and Aliens in this.

Prometheus has wonderful visuals/aesthetics/designs/etc, a few good bits of acting.
It had outright shiat for writing. Dialog, plot, character motivations, high-school level science was not 'confusing', it was pants on head retarded. Wait, scratch that, even mentally challenged/disabled people can do better than this crap. It was bad.

I should've gone to see Brave.


As you should. AVP movies are in a completely different universe. It kinda makes the whole "Oh God, we can't let it get to Earth" in the rest of the movies more nonsensical than it is.

Call it hubris, but the idea that the Aliens could take out the entire population of Earth with nothing but facehuggers and Xenomorphs is stretching credulity.

The one is scary in Alien because it's just one, and it's picking them off. It's Michael Myers/Jason/Freddy in Space.

Aliens have at most 157(since Newt somehow survived) Xenomorphs versus the small marine squad.

Alien 3 was a return to one picking them off, and Aliens 4 was, well, let's not bother with that one too much...

Even if a Queen managed to land undetected on Earth and start pumping out eggs, at some point "protocols"(i.e. nuke the area) that stop the spread of contagion would be enacted.

Zombie plagues are more believable than xenomorph horde fears, acid blood included.
 
2012-06-26 05:47:00 PM

justtray: So you just assume they were running from their own. Why do you assume that? That's a plot hole. Especially with the pile of dead bodies. Didn't seem like a psychopathic killer alien would group up a bunch of dead bodies. But we can't know, because the plot is missing that 'hole' you might say.

Another assumption on the planet. I thought it was the alien world and that was their way of explaining how the outbreak occurred. Maybe that alien wanted to be a Martyr and didn't believe in genocide so sabotaged the installation. Yet another plot hole that you just make assumptions on because you're not a critical, intelligent individual. You think whatever your head made up is the only answer.

The translation is great, but it doesn't explain why he then ripped the head off the android and killed the rest. In fact, it only adds to the confusing motive of the alien that we never really find out.

Gotta love being told you don't know what a plot hole is by people who literally make up their own facts in their heads to fill said plot holes and expect everyone else to come to the same, unsupported conclusions. Thank god you kids don't have any real say in movie production. Your ignorance on the topic is unparalleled.


You are adorable, you know that? I don't think I've ever met someone so enthusiastically dedicated to missing the point. I mean, if you want movies to be a completely passive experience where everything is just handed to you, I guess that's your prerogative. I prefer to watch movies that spark my imagination, which is exactly what Prometheus did. Is my version of unexplained events the "right" version? How the fark should I know? I never said it was. But the fact that you can come up with alternate explanations for the same events is what makes discussing the movie interesting. Was it Earth or another planet? I don't know, but it's interesting to talk about either possibility. You look at something that could have multiple explanations and call it a "plot hole", I call it "interesting writing."

I'm curious, do you dislike movies like Pulp Fiction or Ronin where they have major plot devices that are never explained?
 
2012-06-26 05:47:48 PM

telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?


The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.
 
2012-06-26 05:50:38 PM

meat0918: Alien 3 was a return to one picking them off, and Aliens 4 was, well, let's not bother with that one too much...


There was an Alien 4? You're making that up.
 
2012-06-26 05:51:07 PM

Wayne 985: That's the point of the open ending. They don't know why the Engineers wanted to kill humanity and they're going to find out.

I thought both points were made very clearly in the film.


Indeed, that's why I'm looking forward to the next two films. They get to explore the motivations behind the Engineers more and, since Shaw is on a ship with an uber-cryopod, it can be set before, during, or even after the events of the Alien movies.
 
2012-06-26 05:51:28 PM
theorellior: telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.


They killed the Alien with light and rain too BTW. Which begs the question, where did they store all the water to get Ripley back to the inner colonies?
 
2012-06-26 05:53:06 PM

theorellior: telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.


Ore has liquid in it, and it has to go somewhere.

/ tada!
 
2012-06-26 05:54:02 PM

theorellior: One of the big disappointments was that the Space Jockey wasn't an elephant-headed alien dude with prominent ribs, just a superhuman in organic, ribbed, elephant-headed armor. And there was a specific point where I gave up and decided it wasn't up to snuff. After a long convoluted scene in which Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?


So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.
 
2012-06-26 05:54:30 PM
If I am remembering the sequence when David is looking at the replay of the engineers going into hibernation. You see Earth and then lines come out of Earth to all these other planets. It made me think Earth was going to be some kind of starting/jumping off point for whatever they planned on doing with the black goo. They intended to go to Earth and use the goo on us but were prevented from doing so.

I also think the engineers are afraid of us because we are full of pathogens. The scanner showed them to be pathogen free. David was asked to say who we are and that we have been looking for them. David probably started to say we are from this planet called Earth located in this area of space...

Engineer: OH CRAP... Kill them all... kill them quick...
 
2012-06-26 05:54:41 PM

theorellior: telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.


It's just how things work a century in the future. You wouldn't want to be the only interstellar corporation without a rainy chain room in your refinery, would you?
 
2012-06-26 05:55:07 PM

theorellior: telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.


Condensation.
 
2012-06-26 05:56:57 PM
Teufelaffe: Wayne 985: That's the point of the open ending. They don't know why the Engineers wanted to kill humanity and they're going to find out.

I thought both points were made very clearly in the film.

Indeed, that's why I'm looking forward to the next two films. They get to explore the motivations behind the Engineers more and, since Shaw is on a ship with an uber-cryopod, it can be set before, during, or even after the events of the Alien movies.


There a lot of hate because of that. This was David/Shaw/Weylands story. We were only showed what happened to them, and how it effected them. Some people are really up in arms because we don't know what happened 200 years ago on the moon, or what the guy was doing in stasis, or what the plan of the prologue was, or how the goo works.

Ultimately, it didn't matter. It's what happened to the characters, but it isn't important to their story. Not yet. The whole movie is things going horribly wrong and their hubris, arrogant assumptions being crushed. When they finally repent for their sins, they blast off in search of the answers to why.

All structured around allegory, allusion and homages to ALIEN and 2001 just to mention a few.

So, yeah, works for me. Even if some of the dialogue and plot mechanics were a tad out of balance at times. You got Fifield and Milburn, but then you also have the scene between David and Holloway. Thats where the movie failed, mixing the hard stuff with the popcorn flick and trying to be both.
 
2012-06-26 05:57:49 PM

justtray: As I mentioned, I still enjoyed it, but as far as movie writing goes, it was very poor and lazy. I hope they do much better with the sequel.


I enjoyed it too, but I agree it was not a very good movie. The more I think about it the dumber it gets.

However, I have seen the end of Lost. If you're hoping it'll get better with a sequel -- it won't.
 
2012-06-26 05:59:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: It was Asshole Geologist, and you weren't supposed to care about him, you were supposed to care about the people on the ship that he's potentially going to kill if he doesn't get stopped.

Except that's the point everyone's making. The characters were so one-dimensional that you didn't care who lived or died. Just based on the stupid actions of every single crew member, I wanted them all to die by the end. I would've been happy with Fassbender stranded alone on the planet just wandering around

naked.
 
2012-06-26 06:02:11 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: So you just assume they were running from their own. Why do you assume that? That's a plot hole. Especially with the pile of dead bodies. Didn't seem like a psychopathic killer alien would group up a bunch of dead bodies. But we can't know, because the plot is missing that 'hole' you might say.

Another assumption on the planet. I thought it was the alien world and that was their way of explaining how the outbreak occurred. Maybe that alien wanted to be a Martyr and didn't believe in genocide so sabotaged the installation. Yet another plot hole that you just make assumptions on because you're not a critical, intelligent individual. You think whatever your head made up is the only answer.

The translation is great, but it doesn't explain why he then ripped the head off the android and killed the rest. In fact, it only adds to the confusing motive of the alien that we never really find out.

Gotta love being told you don't know what a plot hole is by people who literally make up their own facts in their heads to fill said plot holes and expect everyone else to come to the same, unsupported conclusions. Thank god you kids don't have any real say in movie production. Your ignorance on the topic is unparalleled.

You are adorable, you know that? I don't think I've ever met someone so enthusiastically dedicated to missing the point. I mean, if you want movies to be a completely passive experience where everything is just handed to you, I guess that's your prerogative. I prefer to watch movies that spark my imagination, which is exactly what Prometheus did. Is my version of unexplained events the "right" version? How the fark should I know? I never said it was. But the fact that you can come up with alternate explanations for the same events is what makes discussing the movie interesting. Was it Earth or another planet? I don't know, but it's interesting to talk about either possibility. You look at something that could have multiple explanations and ca ...


Which is exactly why everyone calls you and anyone else who thinks this was a thinker movie, a moron. They weren't left there to make you wonder, they were left there because the writers were lazy and bad. It's very telling that you don't know the difference.

I loved pulp fiction and ronin. I'd love to see where that point is going. I presume you will attempt to make a false equivilency based on a few minor plot holes from those movies? Go ahead. Unlike you, I can probably address them in a rational and logical manner
 
2012-06-26 06:02:14 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ITT (and all over America, apparently): People who get confused and angry when a movie doesn't hold their hand and explain everything to them like they're retarded or under the age of 6. You people must farking despise Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if Prometheus gets you all grumpy.

Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.


just because you can make up a better movie in your head doesn't make the massive plot holes coherent. there's no internally consistent logic driving the plot because it's written by that idiot who wrote lost. you're not smarter than people who actually expect their fiction to make sense. 2001 might be an example of a movie where lots of details are left out that are immediately confusing to the viewer, but there's an internal logic to it that makes perfect sense on reflection. "IF YOU USE YOUR BRAIN YOU CAN COME UP WITH REASONS FOR THE STUPID THINGS NOT BEING STUPID IF YOU STRETCH AND STRAIN REAL HARD" is just you having shiatty taste and feeling superior about it. people who expected quality were disappointed, don't pretend it's brilliant or that you're brilliant because you filled in the plot holes with your own fan fiction. it's not a smart movie, you're not a smart person.

i wonder if you come off this stupid and obnoxious in real life.
 
2012-06-26 06:02:15 PM
fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.


Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.
 
2012-06-26 06:03:41 PM

State_College_Arsonist: It was an amusing movie, but there were more than a few glaring plot holes. Hell, the fact that the constellation of stars recorded across all those civilizations didn't change over 30,000 years is flat out wrong, and that's the first few minutes. Then there's the complete lack of concern for biological contamination, the short duration of the trip through space...

I still enjoyed the movie.


I was wondering about the flight duration too. The nearest star is about 4 light years away, but it only took Prometheus 2 years/4months to get to where they were going?
 
2012-06-26 06:04:06 PM
I came out of Prometheus really liking it a lot, but the more I thought about it, the more pissed off I got. It's a gorgeous movie, and it seems like a top-tier sci-fi flick while you're watching it, but once you have a chance to digest it, the gaping plot holes ruin it.

Even while I was watching it, I was impressed by the stupidity of some of the plot stuff (SPOILER WARNING):

1. Two crewmembers get lost in a structure that has already been fully mapped in 3-D (by one of the guys who subsequently gets lost). And whose 3D model is being displayed on the bridge of the vessel with red dots representing the guys who are lost, and who are in radio contact with their vessel during the period of being lost.

2. Charlize Theron's announcement that she's Weyland's daughter was not only pointless and completely unmotivated, but also silly, given the age difference. And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.

3. Apparently, geologists and biologists on future space missions will be recruited from the "soccer hooligans" and "unemployed stoner" demographics.

4. The "run in a straight line from a giant rolling doughnut" provoked audible groans from the entire audience in the showing I went to.

Upshot: a pretty but profoundly stupid movie.
 
2012-06-26 06:04:59 PM
blackomne: If I am remembering the sequence when David is looking at the replay of the engineers going into hibernation. You see Earth and then lines come out of Earth to all these other planets. It made me think Earth was going to be some kind of starting/jumping off point for whatever they planned on doing with the black goo. They intended to go to Earth and use the goo on us but were prevented from doing so.

I also think the engineers are afraid of us because we are full of pathogens. The scanner showed them to be pathogen free. David was asked to say who we are and that we have been looking for them. David probably started to say we are from this planet called Earth located in this area of space...

Engineer: OH CRAP... Kill them all... kill them quick...


Yes, and then Earth was left in what appeared to be a destination input thingy to the side. Later the Engineer pulls up the course plot and starts up the ship.

My take is the Engineer was supposed to be in stasis while the ship auto piloted to Earth, hence why he was sleeping when the outbreak happened. also why he;s damn confused to see humans standing there when he wakes. He's supposed to be hiding in IO's atmosphere.
 
2012-06-26 06:10:30 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.

Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.


that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby. it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer. weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely. it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half. it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.
 
2012-06-26 06:10:39 PM
And despite my criticisms, there were phenomenal aspects to the film. Fassbender's portrayal of David being the most noteworthy. The set design and costuming were also amazing, as were the exteriors. If handled by a different writer, the sequels could really be something special.
 
2012-06-26 06:11:00 PM
My beef wasn't that it had plot holes-- the entire series is a bunch of relatively mindless slasher flicks with a distinctive art and direction style, frankly if you care about plot holes the only movie that didn't suck was the first one (Alien) which was a slasher film _and_ a monster movie and thus had no plot for there to be holes in.

What bothered me about Prometheus is that it is neither:

(a) Suspenseful (making it a thriller/suspense film)

(b) Scary (making it a straight horror film)

while Alien was both and Aliens was at least the latter. This isn't to say this is a bad thing in itself, plenty of slasher movies are neither and just rely on gore and visuals (what Promethius essentially did). It's just a huge letdown given the rest of the movies in the setting... though I guess technically the Alien v Predator movies are also in the setting so I shouldn't have hoped so much.

What distinguishes scary from gory is that something is scary only if the audience can reasonably place themselves in the position of the person the bad thing happens to. If an even mildly intelligent person would have easily avoided a given situation through common sense. If your hero hears something in his house and goes sneaking around with a bat checking for burglars, the audience can see themselves conceivably doing that, so when he opens the door and there's a giant blade-monster that eats him, the monster is scary. If your hero is on a foreign planet with no information about the atmosphere beyond general composition and in a structure clearly built by entities known to be biologically similar to humans and he takes off his helmet before a detailed analysis is completed, even the dumbest person in the audience knows he's too stupid to live and can't put themselves in his shoes anymore.

//Though, all that said, what broke my suspension of disbelief was something slightly more specialized-- when they carbon-dated an alien creature, on an alien planet, which had an alien civilization with farking spaceships on it. There are at least half a dozen reasons why that wouldn't even kinda work in any way. Reasons that spending thirty seconds in the "carbon dating" article of wikipedia should make your writer clear on the need to add technobabble for at least.
 
2012-06-26 06:11:45 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Geez, you can just smell the butt-hurt in here. Prometheus was a masterpiece. Easily on par with Space Balls or Galaxy Quest.

It completely disconstructed the flaws of modern sci-fi films. Having the biologist run from a harmless dead alien, but then go right up to a live, threatening one? I was cracking up. And having the guy with the map get lost? farking hilarious!

And having Holloway perform combat gymnastics immediately after getting a c-section? Brilliantly subversive commentary on the bloodless violence of action films. And Guy Pearce's ridiculous Halloween costume? Really powerful statement on how practical effects aren't always adequate.

And the mysterious black goo, a damning condemnation of the hack writer's Macguffin - quick, we need a crew member to get sick: black goo! Now we need one to turn into a supermutant: black goo! And now we need a reason to destroy the alien ship for our climactic set piece: black goo to the rescue.

Prometheus is epic in its critique of lazy writing and the use of mystery to replace a plot. It'll be studied in film classes for decades.


Give them credit, at least they didn't defeat the aliens with unobtanium.
 
2012-06-26 06:13:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And despite my criticisms, there were phenomenal aspects to the film. Fassbender's portrayal of David being the most noteworthy. The set design and costuming were also amazing, as were the exteriors. If handled by a different writer, the sequels could really be something special.


luckily damon lindelof has stated he will not be on board for a sequel. i don't think ridley scott would recognize a good script, though. look forward to PROMETHEUSES: WRITTEN BY DIABLO CODY.
 
2012-06-26 06:18:01 PM

YoTengoId: luckily damon lindelof has stated he will not be on board for a sequel. i don't think ridley scott would recognize a good script, though. look forward to PROMETHEUSES: WRITTEN BY DIABLO CODY.

Oscar Winner

Diablo Cody.

//shudder
 
2012-06-26 06:18:02 PM

justtray: Which is exactly why everyone calls you and anyone else who thinks this was a thinker movie, a moron. They weren't left there to make you wonder, they were left there because the writers were lazy and bad. It's very telling that you don't know the difference.


Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you personally know the writers and the motivations behind their writing. Forgive me for not realizing sooner that you possesed such insightful insider knowledge.


I loved pulp fiction and ronin. I'd love to see where that point is going. I presume you will attempt to make a false equivilency based on a few minor plot holes from those movies? Go ahead. Unlike you, I can probably address them in a rational and logical manner

Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Pulp Fiction or Ronion = Not a problem, it was totally deliberate.
Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Prometheus = OMG, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WASN'T DELIBERATE, IT'S A PLOT HOLE, LAZY WRITING, WARGARBHLLLLLL!!!!
 
2012-06-26 06:18:20 PM
YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.

Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.

that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby. it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer. weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely. it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half. it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.


Weyland had a meeting with the creator, so the previous methods of experiments really didn't matter, did they? Who cares about the goo, when David will talk to the SJ for Weyland directly? Weyland was never in danger, unless you can tell me how.... he had his nice own partitioned off pad, remember? We already know David can run the entire ships operations, Weyland only needed him, did he not? He was the only one Weyland trusted, as the movie made very clear.

As for Shaw, space adrenalin and oxycontin is a hell of a drug. Her use of it to stay mobile was some last action hero shiat, but so what. The cesarian scene was flipping cool.
 
2012-06-26 06:19:45 PM

Teufelaffe: Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.

The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.


How can their DNA be 100% human when they look so different?

Both of these people have 100% human DNA, yet they look as different from each other as the Engineers do from us:

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If that Engineer at the start is seeding a barren planet with life then how come there's an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere for him to breath?

That wasn't a barren planet. Not sure what gave you that idea, but you do see some plant life as they pan across the landscape.


Hmm, interesting points. I take your point about the diversity of human appearance but the Engineers are uniformly much larger than Humans whereas you are using extreme examples and they have blue-grey skin which implies more than just varying amounts of melanin like we have. Is it my imagination or did they have white blood too?

If it's just human life that they seeded then that's still a time-frame of millions of years. I would find it more plausible if they took a hominid species and "uplifted" it with intelligence. I still think the "100% human DNA match" is really stupid. If it was, say, 98% match then fair enough, but there would be a lot of mutation and evolution in the millions of years since recognisably human Hominids evolved. Ridley Scott should really have someone play Devil's Advocate and kick holes in his ideas until he could come up with plausible explanations.
 
2012-06-26 06:20:37 PM

Jim_Callahan: My beef wasn't that it had plot holes-- the entire series is a bunch of relatively mindless slasher flicks with a distinctive art and direction style, frankly if you care about plot holes the only movie that didn't suck was the first one (Alien) which was a slasher film _and_ a monster movie and thus had no plot for there to be holes in.

What bothered me about Prometheus is that it is neither:

(a) Suspenseful (making it a thriller/suspense film)

(b) Scary (making it a straight horror film)

while Alien was both and Aliens was at least the latter. This isn't to say this is a bad thing in itself, plenty of slasher movies are neither and just rely on gore and visuals (what Promethius essentially did). It's just a huge letdown given the rest of the movies in the setting... though I guess technically the Alien v Predator movies are also in the setting so I shouldn't have hoped so much.

What distinguishes scary from gory is that something is scary only if the audience can reasonably place themselves in the position of the person the bad thing happens to. If an even mildly intelligent person would have easily avoided a given situation through common sense. If your hero hears something in his house and goes sneaking around with a bat checking for burglars, the audience can see themselves conceivably doing that, so when he opens the door and there's a giant blade-monster that eats him, the monster is scary. If your hero is on a foreign planet with no information about the atmosphere beyond general composition and in a structure clearly built by entities known to be biologically similar to humans and he takes off his helmet before a detailed analysis is completed, even the dumbest person in the audience knows he's too stupid to live and can't put themselves in his shoes anymore.

//Though, all that said, what broke my suspension of disbelief was something slightly more specialized-- when they carbon-dated an alien creature, on an alien planet, which had an alien civi ...


it's been a little while, but i don't remember any glaring plot holes in Alien or Aliens. I remember likable/interesting characters that behaved like real people might and retained their intelligence even in the face of terror, naturalistic dialogue, internal plot consistency, a mystery about the Space Jockeys lingering in the margins, and awesomely horrific rape anxiety/body horror and creeping dread.

there were only like 3 instances of shiat science in each movie apiece, which is commendable.

anyways, these could just be fond memories. are there really gaping plot holes in the early alien franchise?
 
2012-06-26 06:21:24 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.

Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.


Did I watch a different movie? Shaw stumbles in covered in blood with staples across her stomach and falls to her knees. Two men walk over and help her up, then David walks over to give her a jacket to cover herself. The only reaction that registers is "oh, we didn't expect you". It was a peculiar scene, and seemed like a writer's clumsy short-cut to quickly get Shaw back into the story.
 
2012-06-26 06:23:19 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And despite my criticisms, there were phenomenal aspects to the film. Fassbender's portrayal of David being the most noteworthy. The set design and costuming were also amazing, as were the exteriors. If handled by a different writer, the sequels could really be something special.

I'm pretty excited for a sequel with just Fassbender and Noomi. Hell, thats how to keep production cost down, only cast and focus on them!

Linds can leave, I don't really care. This flick wasn't horrible, but it was too loose and it did try to hard to both be hard scifi and popcorn, always being one or the other, never a meld of both. A lot of minor flaws could easily have been written around.

Example: don't switch the characters, but switch milburn and fifileds actions. Milburn is the scaredy cat, Fifield has to babysit, and goes after the worm xeno facehugger thing, with milburn telling him it's not a good idea. Honestly, it's not much better, but apparently that's the big deal for a lot of people. The cliche charters and actions weren't boilerplate enough.
 
2012-06-26 06:24:05 PM

Teufelaffe: Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.

The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.


But then you have the problem of how similar our DNA is to other life on Earth. Not to mention all the common ancestry fossils or hell, just the fact that we can live in the same ecosystem as the other life on Earth or hell, just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....

It'd have to suggest that the black goo not only seeded humans, but also changed the ecosystem of Earth and its inhabitants to mirror the birth of humans. While that's conceivable, surely fossil records would show such a drastic change in biology?
 
2012-06-26 06:24:10 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: Which is exactly why everyone calls you and anyone else who thinks this was a thinker movie, a moron. They weren't left there to make you wonder, they were left there because the writers were lazy and bad. It's very telling that you don't know the difference.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you personally know the writers and the motivations behind their writing. Forgive me for not realizing sooner that you possesed such insightful insider knowledge.


I loved pulp fiction and ronin. I'd love to see where that point is going. I presume you will attempt to make a false equivilency based on a few minor plot holes from those movies? Go ahead. Unlike you, I can probably address them in a rational and logical manner

Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Pulp Fiction or Ronion = Not a problem, it was totally deliberate.
Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Prometheus = OMG, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WASN'T DELIBERATE, IT'S A PLOT HOLE, LAZY WRITING, WARGARBHLLLLLL!!!!


As I said, false equivilency. Not that you actually listed any plot holes from those movies. I get you're offended. You should be. You're one of the people this article makes fun of. An idiot who inserts his own belief into plot holes and asserts they are therefore not.

Anyway I think we're done here. You've proven yourself to be a child who does not understand basic movie critique, who cannot reconcile the fact that he liked a movie with the fact that it was bad writing, who cannot even identify bad writing even when told explicitly. There is literally no reason to continue conversation with a blatant white knighting nerd rager. You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold leaps in logic not supported by the film. Bravo
 
2012-06-26 06:24:17 PM

Cinaed:
I should've gone to see Brave.


Well bad news, according to the internet you have to hate Brave too.
 
2012-06-26 06:24:42 PM

bluesbox: And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.


It made it so the captain was no longer monitoring the knuckleheads who got face raped by a mutant worm and turned into a raging burn victim.
Very Friday the 13th-esque.
Apparently in the future they don't have DVRs so instead of watching the tape back of what happened to them, they just went out looking.
But yeah, other than that, it was just kind of dropped. Didn't really have much to do with anything else, either before or after that point.
That whole sequence, starting with when the two knuckleheads got left behind, was terrible.
 
2012-06-26 06:27:39 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.

Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.

that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby. it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer. weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely. it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half. it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.

Weyland had a meeting with the creator, so the previous methods of experiments really didn't matter, did they? Who cares about the goo, when David will talk to the SJ for Weyland direct ...

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: Which is exactly why everyone calls you and anyone else who thinks this was a thinker movie, a moron. They weren't left there to make you wonder, they were left there because the writers were lazy and bad. It's very telling that you don't know the difference.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you personally know the writers and the motivations behind their writing. Forgive me for not realizing sooner that you possesed such insightful insider knowledge.


I loved pulp fiction and ronin. I'd love to see where that point is going. I presume you will attempt to make a false equivilency based on a few minor plot holes from those movies? Go ahead. Unlike you, I can probably address them in a rational and logical manner

Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Pulp Fiction or Ronion = Not a problem, it was totally deliberate.
Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Prometheus = OMG, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WASN'T DELIBERATE, IT'S A PLOT HOLE, LAZY WRITING, WARGARBHLLLLLL!!!!


you are literally gibbering right now.

tarintino describes writing a movie like this: you write a great story, remove half of it. the other half is left up to the audience to get through things like LOGIC and SUBTEXT and CONTEXT and other smart writery devices that add depth and meaning beyond what is immediately apparent.

can you figure out the difference between that and what prometheus did? are you ready to exercise that big brain of yours? or are you just a sockpuppet account for damon lindelof, another hack who can string together ideas created by his betters without adding any insight or connective tissue or recognizable human emotion?
 
2012-06-26 06:28:29 PM
The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways
 
2012-06-26 06:28:59 PM

YoTengoId: that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby.


As far as we know, David is the only person who knows about the baby. Now that there's an Engineer to talk to, the status of said baby is of lesser importance.

it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer.

Because Weyland likes to show off.

weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely.

Already been touched on in this thread, but it boils down to Weyland only really needs a small number of people in order to accomplish his goals (as far as he knows) and everyone else is not important enough to even spare a thought about. If you've spent some time around a sociopathic rich person before, you'll recognize the attitude.

it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half.

Yeah, that's an annoying bit. They could have included any number of explanations, but didn't bother.

it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.

I guess you could say she was panicking and not thinking straight, but it's still not really believable.
 
2012-06-26 06:30:49 PM

imgod2u: But then you have the problem of how similar our DNA is to other life on Earth. Not to mention all the common ancestry fossils or hell, just the fact that we can live in the same ecosystem as the other life on Earth or hell, just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....


It was a religion-themed movie, they're dismissing Darwinian evolution as the origin of humans, and replacing it with black goo.
 
2012-06-26 06:31:14 PM
fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Noomi Rapace manages to give herself an alien abortion, IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BY ANYONE. She stumbles in, all bloody and shaking, on Weyland, David and various red shirts, and nobody says, "What just happened?" and she doesn't say, "Oh, I just left a horrible alien squid fetus in your surgical pod, you might want to look into that." No, David just gives her a clean robe and we get some fountain of youth woo-woo dialogue. WTF?

So I wasn't the only one that thought this scene was odd.

Thats a lie. Or at least a mis-telling of the scene.

Shaw comes in and two of Weyland marines immediately detain here seconds after entering, looking pretty WTF horrified. David looks surprised, as only he could, and makes note of her. Wayland dosen't even notice, or care, because she doesn't matter. He goes on to his sociopathic the means justify the ends speech and tells her to suit up if she's still hasn't lost faith (DICK). It was a scene that instantly tells you about his concerns, the real mission and why the crew was so... loose. They didn't not notice her, two detained her, David spoke to her and weyland told her to stop farking around.

Did I watch a different movie? Shaw stumbles in covered in blood with staples across her stomach and falls to her knees. Two men walk over and help her up, then David walks over to give her a jacket to cover herself. The only reaction that registers is "oh, we didn't expect you". It was a peculiar scene, and seemed like a writer's clumsy short-cut to quickly get Shaw back into the story.


Must of, David make a obtuse remark that he "didn't think she had it in her" and said something else I don;t seem to recall. Both both David and the mercs faces do tell a story; much like Vickers absolute horror when torching Holloway. Weyland looks on in indifference that border on contempt or annoyance. Yes it's an assumption, but David most likely told Weyland about Shaw's "child", so he;s not very surprised or caring when he see's her, as we know David had been relaying stuff to Weyland the whole time.

Like I said, there's a lot of subtle things in the visuals. I went a second time and paid attention to scenes that had me wondering stuff too. Visually, and paying close attention to the dialogue, it made much more sense.
 
2012-06-26 06:32:25 PM

justtray: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: Which is exactly why everyone calls you and anyone else who thinks this was a thinker movie, a moron. They weren't left there to make you wonder, they were left there because the writers were lazy and bad. It's very telling that you don't know the difference.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you personally know the writers and the motivations behind their writing. Forgive me for not realizing sooner that you possesed such insightful insider knowledge.


I loved pulp fiction and ronin. I'd love to see where that point is going. I presume you will attempt to make a false equivilency based on a few minor plot holes from those movies? Go ahead. Unlike you, I can probably address them in a rational and logical manner

Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Pulp Fiction or Ronion = Not a problem, it was totally deliberate.
Plot point left entirely unexplained and therefore up to the viewer's imagination in Prometheus = OMG, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WASN'T DELIBERATE, IT'S A PLOT HOLE, LAZY WRITING, WARGARBHLLLLLL!!!!

As I said, false equivilency. Not that you actually listed any plot holes from those movies. I get you're offended. You should be. You're one of the people this article makes fun of. An idiot who inserts his own belief into plot holes and asserts they are therefore not.

Anyway I think we're done here. You've proven yourself to be a child who does not understand basic movie critique, who cannot reconcile the fact that he liked a movie with the fact that it was bad writing, who cannot even identify bad writing even when told explicitly. There is literally no reason to continue conversation with a blatant white knighting nerd rager. You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold leaps in logic not supported by the film. Bravo


I'm not sure why you're still arguing with that idiot, it became pretty clear pretty damned quickly that they'd never come around...

/Am I also to assume that C S-W has confused MacGuffins for plot holes?
 
2012-06-26 06:32:34 PM

justtray: You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold fairly obvious leaps in logic not supported explicitly explained to the audience like they were mongolids by the film. Bravo


FTFY

Just because you can't figure something out doesn't make it bad. Sometimes it just means you're stupid.
 
2012-06-26 06:33:50 PM

emocomputerjock: It's just how things work a century in the future. You wouldn't want to be the only interstellar corporation without a rainy chain room in your refinery, would you?


Indeed, I would not. Now that you mention it, I might have to look into installing one in my house.
 
2012-06-26 06:35:06 PM

justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways


That's assuming that the goo at the beginning and the goo later on are the same stuff. It's quite possible, even plausible, that the original goo is a "genesis device" type of substance, which is then later modified into a weapon. I agree though, it is definitely open to interpretation.
 
2012-06-26 06:35:26 PM
Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.
 
2012-06-26 06:36:24 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: justtray: You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold fairly obvious leaps in logic not supported explicitly explained to the audience like they were mongolids by the film. Bravo

FTFY

Just because you can't figure something out doesn't make it bad. Sometimes it just means you're stupid.


Thanks again for proving all my points. Couldn't have done it without you. But since you proved you cannot argue logically or with merit, you are now forever ignored.
 
2012-06-26 06:39:05 PM

bluesbox: And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.


Yeah, this. It was kinda like Lindelhof had a Post-It note stuck to the script that said, "INSERT IMPLIED SEX SCENE HERE". Along with "TWENTIETH CENTURY MUSIC REFERENCE" and "REFERENCE TO CAPTAIN'S HOBBIES".
 
2012-06-26 06:39:29 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

That's assuming that the goo at the beginning and the goo later on are the same stuff. It's quite possible, even plausible, that the original goo is a "genesis device" type of substance, which is then later modified into a weapon. I agree though, it is definitely open to interpretation.


Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole. Especially if you're in the majority that thinks that was supposed to be seeding of earth. It's just not supported by anything else in the film that cannot be alternatively explained, IE the fact that we have similar DNA doesn't mean that's how they created us.
 
2012-06-26 06:39:47 PM

imgod2u: Teufelaffe: Suede head: Life on Earth began nearly four billion years ago. Are they saying these engineers have been tooling around with the same tech, same motivations, same physical appearance over BILLIONS of years? That just defies belief.

The movie doesn't suggest that ALL life on Earth came from the Engineers, just that human life did. That's a whole lot smaller time span than billions of years.

But then you have the problem of how similar our DNA is to other life on Earth. Not to mention all the common ancestry fossils or hell, just the fact that we can live in the same ecosystem as the other life on Earth or hell, just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....

It'd have to suggest that the black goo not only seeded humans, but also changed the ecosystem of Earth and its inhabitants to mirror the birth of humans. While that's conceivable, surely fossil records would show such a drastic change in biology?


Well, it does. The first life shat out oxygen into the oceans, which was largely bonded to iron and settled into the banded iron formations we have today. Once the iron was out of the oceans, the oxygen poisoned the atmosphere and ocean for that life, and we get our lovely oxygen rich ecosystem that thrives to this day(with variations in oxygen levels of course).

Too bad that's all Precambrian though. 3.7 billion years old.
 
2012-06-26 06:40:40 PM

fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.


The retcon for "Alien" is that the chest-burster was eating food from the ship's stores when it couldn't get humans. Think acid-blooded space-rat.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:24 PM
justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways


You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:25 PM

justtray: Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole.


The sad thing is that there is evidently tons of footage, from that scene and more, that would probably do a good job of nullifying (or at least making acceptable) many of the annoyances we've listed here.
 
2012-06-26 06:45:40 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: that doesn't explain why they didn't ask about her baby.

As far as we know, David is the only person who knows about the baby. Now that there's an Engineer to talk to, the status of said baby is of lesser importance.

it doesn't explain why they let her go meet the engineer.

Because Weyland likes to show off.

weyland not giving a fark about anyone but himself doesn't explain why he hires idiots who put the entire crew, INCLUDING HIMSELF in danger. you know, the people responsible for making contact and getting weyland home safely.

Already been touched on in this thread, but it boils down to Weyland only really needs a small number of people in order to accomplish his goals (as far as he knows) and everyone else is not important enough to even spare a thought about. If you've spent some time around a sociopathic rich person before, you'll recognize the attitude.

it doesn't explain why noomi can do awesome long jumps and sprinting and rolling with her abdominal muscles cut in half.

Yeah, that's an annoying bit. They could have included any number of explanations, but didn't bother.

it doesn't explain why "push up" vickers doesn't just roll to the farking side. it doesn't explain the incredibly shiatty science that any 8 year old can pick apart.

I guess you could say she was panicking and not thinking straight, but it's still not really believable.


ok. maybe weyland's hiring practices are inscrutable and awful. i guess that's not really the problem.

i'm not trying to go all WORST MOVIE EVER here but biologists who want to cuddle with penis/vagina vipers and geologists who can't read a map and archeologists who mope around in disappointment when they find millennia-old alien corpses in an ancient weapons lab/parking garage/creepy temple and scientists who take their helmets off at the first sign of oxygen are not just bad at their jobs, they're ridiculous characters that act like NOBODY would ever behave, ever. it doesn't make sense that these people would exist, that they would make the choices they make, none of it. there are standard operating procedures for all these disciplines that would keep 90% of the plot from occuring.

lindelof just lacks the wit to make any of the scary situations happen organically, so he has empty one-dimensional characters do mind-bogglingly stupid things. it makes one not care even a little bit about any of these people. these two co-pilots. the only development they had before their heroic sacrifices were that they had a lame bet going that was already resolved and no distinguishing characteristics other than that.

my nerdy disappointment is endless, TyrantII.
 
2012-06-26 06:46:00 PM
fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!
 
2012-06-26 06:46:21 PM
Ridley Scott is the most overrated director.

His set design and costumes, pocked with feats of excellent acting, are always top notch. But his story telling is usually weak- and story telling is the most important part of TELLING STORIES!
 
2012-06-26 06:47:28 PM
theorellior: bluesbox: And Charlize's casual hook-up with the ship captain was likewise completely unmotivated and pointless.

Yeah, this. It was kinda like Lindelhof had a Post-It note stuck to the script that said, "INSERT IMPLIED SEX SCENE HERE". Along with "TWENTIETH CENTURY MUSIC REFERENCE" and "REFERENCE TO CAPTAIN'S HOBBIES".


So Rick Berman?
 
2012-06-26 06:47:50 PM

TyrantII: Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems.


That's a really crappy reason for being vague. Each film is supposed to be a contained set-piece. Even in LOTR Peter Jackson made sure that each part of the trilogy had an individual plot arc and resolution, and even rejiggered the events in the books to make it work. Even (God help me) the Star Wars prequels managed to do that.

If you're gonna make a multi-part epic story, then plot it like one. If "Prometheus" is supposed to be the first installment of a larger arc, then they should have used that narrative space more wisely.
 
2012-06-26 06:48:17 PM

TyrantII: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.


The geers at the start aren't the same as the geers they meet. The first geers wore ritual costumes and used different ships.
 
2012-06-26 06:48:32 PM
justtray:

Totally true. That's pretty much my point. That the first scene really doesn't make any sense and can go in any direction depending on how you interpret it, aka, pretty big plot hole. .


You have no idea what a plot hole is.... fantastic!
 
2012-06-26 06:48:45 PM

TyrantII: justtray: The main reason (there are a lot) the first scene can't be earth is because the black ooze turns everything into a monster. Everything. So therefore it could not have been seeding and creating life as we know it.

It makes slightly more sense that that scene was the beginning of the outbreak on the alien planet 2k years ago and since all of those creatures died due to lack of nutrition. Granted, only slightly more sense....

That scene can still go both ways

You missed a big thing between the prologue and the later movie.

The engineers in the prologue are pure of flesh, white benevolent creatures of flesh that drink that goo and through self sacrifice seed life on other primordial plants.

The engineers from later are contorted, bastardized creatures with xeno like biology fused with their own. Their suits aren't suits, but part of their being. like them, the goo has also changed. It no longer brings life, but death.

Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems. But there's a very drastic visual change between what we see first and second. It's not by mistake.

Scott did A LOT of subtle story telling through the cinematography in this film. He's always been a show, not tell director. A lot of problems aren't problems cause the answers were there.


None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that
 
2012-06-26 06:49:53 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!


The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.
 
2012-06-26 06:50:27 PM

TyrantII: So Rick Berman?


Are you telling me there was a antique Ford pickup in the hold of the Prometheus that I didn't notice?
 
2012-06-26 06:52:28 PM

YoTengoId: archeologists who mope around in disappointment when they find millennia-old alien corpses in an ancient weapons lab/parking garage/creepy temple


Yeah, it's like, "I'm feeling emo because I didn't discover what I wanted to. Boohoo. I think I'll forget to shave again."
 
2012-06-26 06:52:40 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: Why? Well, that's for the next flick it seems.

That's a really crappy reason for being vague. Each film is supposed to be a contained set-piece. Even in LOTR Peter Jackson made sure that each part of the trilogy had an individual plot arc and resolution, and even rejiggered the events in the books to make it work. Even (God help me) the Star Wars prequels managed to do that.

If you're gonna make a multi-part epic story, then plot it like one. If "Prometheus" is supposed to be the first installment of a larger arc, then they should have used that narrative space more wisely.


blah blah blah.

It did. This was David and Shaws story. Everything you hate was set up for the next movie, but this movie was structured fine. You just didn't like it.

Thats not a problem with the movie. Thats your problem.
 
2012-06-26 06:53:38 PM
theorellior: TyrantII: So Rick Berman?

Are you telling me there was a antique Ford pickup in the hold of the Prometheus that I didn't notice?


Giant Space Newts
 
2012-06-26 06:54:40 PM
fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.


So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.
 
2012-06-26 06:55:44 PM

justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that


What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:05 PM
Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


Don't respond to his trolling. Everything I wrong was in the movie. It's there to draw a apparent visual distinction between the earlier and later engineers, just as the earlier goo does one thing, the later something else.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. They changed, the goo changed.

He's either never seen it, or he didn't watch it closely. Most of his trolling is pulled right of off 4chan and IMDB.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:51 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.


the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.
 
2012-06-26 07:02:31 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


It's one thing to let your imagination fill in a true gap, it's another to come up with completely convoluted reasons to explain completely stupid things that are explicitly shown within the movie.

I was totally underwhelmed by Prometheus, not because it was ALL bad but simply because it seemed like a movie with some good ideas that were then hastily and poorly stitched together. The *ingredients* for a really good movie were there, but that *good* movie just wasn't made. It's knowing that what I just saw could have, and I daresay SHOULD have, been significantly better.
 
2012-06-26 07:02:35 PM

justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.


Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.
 
2012-06-26 07:03:30 PM

YoTengoId: the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.


It learned that "one secret trick" for enlargement that I keep seeing banner ads for.
 
2012-06-26 07:05:12 PM

Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.


...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!
 
2012-06-26 07:08:33 PM

vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.


Where was it getting the extra mass?? It was locked up not wandering about eating things.
 
2012-06-26 07:09:05 PM
Why was the planet in Prometheus LV-223 and the planet with the space jockey in Alien was LV-426?
 
2012-06-26 07:10:17 PM

YoungLochinvar: Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.

...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!


It'll turn out that the black goo is the by-product of the technology of their civilization and they were just planning on dumping it on Earth to get rid of it. The whole trilogy is just one big anti-pollution message. ;)
 
2012-06-26 07:10:34 PM

Teufelaffe: Wayne 985: That's the point of the open ending. They don't know why the Engineers wanted to kill humanity and they're going to find out.

I thought both points were made very clearly in the film.

Indeed, that's why I'm looking forward to the next two films. They get to explore the motivations behind the Engineers more and, since Shaw is on a ship with an uber-cryopod, it can be set before, during, or even after the events of the Alien movies.


It's easy to see why the aliens wanted to kill the humans. They decided as proved by this bunch of idiots that humanity was to stupid to let live.
 
2012-06-26 07:11:27 PM

fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.


Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.
 
2012-06-26 07:13:02 PM

YoungLochinvar: Funbags: justtray: the black ooze turns everything into a monster.

Presuming to know how the black ooze works based on 3 examples (each under different circumstances) is another logical fallacy repeated by this movie's detractors. Not even the Engineers understood it well enough to contain/control its effects.

...so WHY'D they have a fleet of ships seemingly LOADED with the stuff?!? That makes no sense!!


Perhaps, because they thought they did.
 
2012-06-26 07:15:42 PM

imgod2u: just being able to digest and integrate protein from other species on Earth....


And this would be a problem, how? Unless the proteins were left-handed, it wouldn't matter. We don't feed on their DNA.
 
2012-06-26 07:15:53 PM
YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.


Again, how do you know it eats? Or what it eats? All we know is it needs flesh to procreate. We've never seen an alien "eat".

They have Acid blood and carbon metallic exo-skeletons, for all we know they digest ore and drink CO2. We simply no nothing of their metabolism from anything in any one of the movies. JR. could have easily ate a hole in the floor and consumed some titanium. You're making an uneducated assumption, which makes it dubious at best. If anything it's odd that we've never seen one eating humans. Only killed them and used them as dead and live nests.
 
2012-06-26 07:17:20 PM

Funbags: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.


The artistic license of course being outright stupidity.
 
2012-06-26 07:18:51 PM

YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.


Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?
 
2012-06-26 07:18:56 PM

YoTengoId: the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.


As was stated in the script, but cut from the completed film.
 
2012-06-26 07:20:00 PM

Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.


i certainly don't have a problem with fan theories or speculation or any of that, but that's all work you did in your own mind, and doesn't rescue the script from being a lazy mess. i don't think it makes me a troll if i'm a little offended that the people defending the movie are calling it a "thinking man's" movie when it doesn't make any actual sense and doesn't contain any wit or insight about the ideas that it stole from better works of fiction.

it was marketed as an intelligent movie. the movie was not intelligent. whether or not you enjoyed it is up to you, whether it's a "good" movie is debatable but subjective, but whether it's a smart movie is not debatable. the science is about as bad as it could be, every character is an idiot or completely inscrutable, the "our creators are 100% human aliens who want to kill us because we killed jesus christ" thing is just pants-on-head retarded and doesn't actual contain any insight or analysis of the myth of prometheus (a name that was tacked on by a studio executive after most of the script had been written) or of paradise lost, which is what the story is actually supposed to be based on.

damon lindelof shat in my mouth and called it pudding. fark him, fark his stupid movie. it's totally cool if you want to love it and speculate and that's half the fun of fiction but for christ's sake don't kid yourself that this story has any merit in terms of exploring any ideas on the human condition, on speculative science or speculative creation myths.

if you disagree i'd honestly and non-snarkily love to hear what kind of insights you had or complex emotions that were conjured as a result of this movie.
 
2012-06-26 07:20:37 PM
Funbags: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?


No, just an alt.
 
2012-06-26 07:22:14 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Wow, not only do you know about things that were never depicted, mentioned, or even implied in those Alien movies, you also are an expert in the limitations of unknown alien physiology! Are you a wizard?


you're not real great at critical thinking.

the aliens had the opportunity to eat so it's not a mindfark when they grow. the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat so it makes no sense that its mass would increase.

this is not a terribly difficult idea to wrap your head around.
 
2012-06-26 07:24:17 PM

carnifex2005: Funbags: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

Really?

Has anyone ever explained how the Millennium Falcon simulated/generated gravity?
Has anyone ever explained how Bowman transformed into the Star Baby?
Has anyone ever explained how ET was able to breathe Earth's atmosphere?

Oh, I remember, its artistic license.

The artistic license of course being outright stupidity.


I know, right? That space baby was waaaay bigger than Bowman! Totally ruined it for me...
 
2012-06-26 07:25:19 PM
The second you let that stupid coont Lindelof near the script, you knew this was going to happen.
 
2012-06-26 07:26:30 PM
YoTengoId: damon lindelof

Ahh, more damon lindelof rage. Seems to be what most of it all boils down to.

Your rant brought in quite a few things from interviews that are not in the film, but used to criticize it. While they might be good for discussion, they're not the film at all. Space jockey Jesus was a thought, but ultimately not even written in because it wasn't good for the film. But as Scott said the actions of humanity on earth 2000 years ago might give you an insight into the SJ's contempt for us. Scotts doesn't think highly of religion, so a 2000yo space jesus isn't a correct answer to the movie's questions.
 
2012-06-26 07:28:07 PM

TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

Least the geeks loved it. Adjusted for ticket sales it's now passed ALIENS in gross for the #2 spot in the franchise. It'll need about 40 million more to pass ALIEN, but I'm guessing it's got only 30 in it.

Fox is probably already in discussion for a sequel. Can't wait.


Couldn't agree more. Everyone in our group really enjoyed it. Sure it left some questions, and we enjoyed discussing them. I was thoroughly entertained, and I'm stoked about where the story looked like it was heading!
 
2012-06-26 07:28:36 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Again, how do you know it eats? Or what it eats? All we know is it needs flesh to procreate. We've never seen an alien "eat".

They have Acid blood and carbon metallic exo-skeletons, for all we know they digest ore and drink CO2. We simply no nothing of their metabolism from anything in any one of the movies. JR. could have easily ate a hole in the floor and consumed some titanium. You're making an uneducated assumption, which makes it dubious at best. If anything it's odd that we've never seen one eating humans. Only killed them and used them as dead and live nests.



i agree that it is weird we never see them eating. it's reasonable to assume that they consumed something that made them grow in the first 3 films, it's not explicitly stated or anything, but it doesn't stretch the limits of the imagination that they ate something. of course they could be eating titanium or whatever, but they could be demons from hell or have little men living inside them pumping them up with balloons until they get bigger or the hand of god could've stretched them out when they were off-screen or a wizard could have cast a spell.

the reasonable explanation that doesn't hurt the brain is that they consumed some of the food stores that were lying around. if this was the only time that the plot made no farking sense then it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but when the entire movie is composed of dumb contrivances that make no sense then it kind of sticks in your craw a little.



and i'm not an alt, dick. if you're not interested in discussing the movie then fark off back to reddit.
 
2012-06-26 07:30:16 PM
So besides giving away a huge plot point, what's wrong with this poster?

4.bp.blogspot.com

Who are those other people?
 
2012-06-26 07:30:46 PM

YoTengoId: Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.

i certainly don't have a problem with fan theories or speculation or any of that, but that's all work you did in your own mind, and doesn't rescue the script from being a lazy mess. i don't think it makes me a troll if i'm a little offended that the people defending the movie are calling it a "thinking man's" movie when it doesn't make any actual sense and doesn't contain any wit or insight about the ideas that it stole from better works of fiction.

it was marketed as an intelligent movie. the movie was not intelligent. whether or not you enjoyed it is up to you, whether it's a "good" movie is debatable but subjective, but whether it's a smart movie is not debatable. the science is about as bad as it could be, every character is an idiot or completely inscrutable, the "our creators are 100% human aliens who want to kill us because we killed jesus christ" thing is just pants-on-head retarded and doesn't actual contain any insight or analysis of the myth of prometheus (a name that was tacked on by a studio executive after most of the script had been written) or of paradise lost, which is what the story is actually supposed to be based on.

damon lindelof shat in my mouth and called it pudding. fark hi ...


Oh, I don't think Prometheus was a "thinking man's movie". I do think there was a lot deliberately left out or only hinted at, but there was also plenty of typical Hollywood moments as well (anyone doing drugs is automatically 'bad' or at least incompetent, anyone 'infected' by the alien/zombies/monsters/whatever will always try to hide it until it's too late, no matter how advanced a technology is, it can be figured out by the smartest cast member in a relatively short period of time, no one ever just says what something amazing/scary/mysterious is, they always tell people 'come look at this', etc).
 
2012-06-26 07:31:43 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: damon lindelof

Ahh, more damon lindelof rage. Seems to be what most of it all boils down to.

Your rant brought in quite a few things from interviews that are not in the film, but used to criticize it. While they might be good for discussion, they're not the film at all. Space jockey Jesus was a thought, but ultimately not even written in because it wasn't good for the film. But as Scott said the actions of humanity on earth 2000 years ago might give you an insight into the SJ's contempt for us. Scotts doesn't think highly of religion, so a 2000yo space jesus isn't a correct answer to the movie's questions.


it's said in the movie that around 2000 years ago they got pissed at us and decided to wipe us out. the why is answered by scott in the interview.

this is an example of the movie having SUBTEXT from which you can divine the writer's INTENTIONS. this is more evidence than we get for any other leap of logic the characters make in the film, and the actual director of the movie confirming it kind of makes my case a little stronger.
 
2012-06-26 07:35:24 PM
After a while the review starts sounding like Boatmurdered.
 
2012-06-26 07:35:51 PM

Suede head: ... I still think the "100% human DNA match" is really stupid. If it was, say, 98% match then fair enough, but there would be a lot of mutation and evolution in the millions of years since recognisably human Hominids evolved. Ridley Scott should really have someone play Devil's Advocate and kick holes in his ideas until he could come up with plausible explanations.


Keep in mind that chimps have more than 98% of their DNA in common with us. The Engineers aren't that different by comparison.
 
2012-06-26 07:36:05 PM
MikeyistheDevil: TyrantII: Wow, lots and lots of nerd rage.

Least the geeks loved it. Adjusted for ticket sales it's now passed ALIENS in gross for the #2 spot in the franchise. It'll need about 40 million more to pass ALIEN, but I'm guessing it's got only 30 in it.

Fox is probably already in discussion for a sequel. Can't wait.

Couldn't agree more. Everyone in our group really enjoyed it. Sure it left some questions, and we enjoyed discussing them. I was thoroughly entertained, and I'm stoked about where the story looked like it was heading!


Scott mentioned Paradise, and I can only hope that means lost.

Following Dante and Virgil further down into the abyss is going to be fun.

Hopefully Shaw is prepared this time. Human hubris and arrogance is a killer.
 
2012-06-26 07:39:19 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: Teufelaffe: justtray: None of what you posted is supported by anything in the movie. That's the problem. Id have no problem believing what you're saying if any of that was even implied, but it's not. It's just you making vast assumptions. And you can't admit that

What I'm not getting is why you seem to have such an issue with people making "vast assumptions" about the story. If we watched the movie and made assumptions about things that weren't explained during the film, why does that seem to bother you so much? Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into your posts in this thread, but it seems like you're really concerned that people are making up things to fill potential plot holes.

Sometimes part of the fun of a movie is letting your imagination fill in the gaps.

i certainly don't have a problem with fan theories or speculation or any of that, but that's all work you did in your own mind, and doesn't rescue the script from being a lazy mess. i don't think it makes me a troll if i'm a little offended that the people defending the movie are calling it a "thinking man's" movie when it doesn't make any actual sense and doesn't contain any wit or insight about the ideas that it stole from better works of fiction.

it was marketed as an intelligent movie. the movie was not intelligent. whether or not you enjoyed it is up to you, whether it's a "good" movie is debatable but subjective, but whether it's a smart movie is not debatable. the science is about as bad as it could be, every character is an idiot or completely inscrutable, the "our creators are 100% human aliens who want to kill us because we killed jesus christ" thing is just pants-on-head retarded and doesn't actual contain any insight or analysis of the myth of prometheus (a name that was tacked on by a studio executive after most of the script had been written) or of paradise lost, which is what the story is actually supposed to be based on.

damon lindelof shat in my mouth and called it puddi ...


fusillade762: So besides giving away a huge plot point, what's wrong with this poster?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 511x755]

Who are those other people?


yeah, i totally loved it when i got 80% of the way through the movie and still hadn't seen the ship blow up, it was so much fun knowing what happens at the end before i got into the theater.
 
2012-06-26 07:39:39 PM

YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat


Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.
 
2012-06-26 07:40:21 PM
YoTengoId:


i agree that it is weird we never see them eating. it's reasonable to assume that they consumed something that made them grow in the first 3 films, it's not explicitly stated or anything, but it doesn't stretch the limits of the imagination that they ate something. of course they could be eating titanium or whatever, but they could be demons from hell or have little men living inside them pumping them up with balloons until they get bigger or the hand of god could've stretched them out when they were off-screen o ...


Well, i was talking more about the Dreck above. Anyways I would have agreed with you that it's plausible, but now we have this movie. So what changes? Xeno's need to consume things in that room. So that leaves air and metals, they're made of metal stuffs, so boom, metal eating acid monsters.

Just as plausible. One can't be right and the other wrong, as were using the same line of thinking. I'm just factoring in the new information.
 
2012-06-26 07:42:19 PM

Suede head: ... Is it my imagination or did they have white blood too?


I don't think so. David has white "blood," but I think the Engineer had red at the end.
 
2012-06-26 07:44:00 PM
Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?
 
2012-06-26 07:44:10 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-26 07:44:13 PM

CujoQuarrel: vpb: Teufelaffe: CujoQuarrel: Luckily they were ALL wiped out. Including the surviving archaeologist.

The ship blew up and she has no food.

Why do you assume that she didn't grab rations when she was gathering supplies? Also, she's taken a ship with a cryo chamber that we already know can keep someone in stasis for 2000+ years.


I think people are expecting to have everything spelled out for them with nothing left to the imagination or unexplaned. Many of the "plot holes" are a result of people making assumptions, or not thinking things through.

How did her squid baby grow so fast? Probably the same way the xenomorph grew so fast in the origional Alien.

Where was it getting the extra mass?? It was locked up not wandering about eating things.



A space wizard did it
 
2012-06-26 07:45:42 PM
YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: damon lindelof

Ahh, more damon lindelof rage. Seems to be what most of it all boils down to.

Your rant brought in quite a few things from interviews that are not in the film, but used to criticize it. While they might be good for discussion, they're not the film at all. Space jockey Jesus was a thought, but ultimately not even written in because it wasn't good for the film. But as Scott said the actions of humanity on earth 2000 years ago might give you an insight into the SJ's contempt for us. Scotts doesn't think highly of religion, so a 2000yo space jesus isn't a correct answer to the movie's questions.

it's said in the movie that around 2000 years ago they got pissed at us and decided to wipe us out. the why is answered by scott in the interview.

this is an example of the movie having SUBTEXT from which you can divine the writer's INTENTIONS. this is more evidence than we get for any other leap of logic the characters make in the film, and the actual director of the movie confirming it kind of makes my case a little stronger.


Yup, the other civilizations that had the paintings were dead ones too. Maybe they dealt with them individually, but JC was the final straw and they prepared a final solution?

Either way, that isn't the plot of this movie, even as interesting as it might be. This was a what happens to Shaw and David chapter. We see them, and see them change, but a lot of the why's of what happened long before are going to be withheld to later. We're only along for the ride of what now, as they discover it.
 
2012-06-26 07:50:13 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId:


i agree that it is weird we never see them eating. it's reasonable to assume that they consumed something that made them grow in the first 3 films, it's not explicitly stated or anything, but it doesn't stretch the limits of the imagination that they ate something. of course they could be eating titanium or whatever, but they could be demons from hell or have little men living inside them pumping them up with balloons until they get bigger or the hand of god could've stretched them out when they were off-screen o ...

Well, i was talking more about the Dreck above. Anyways I would have agreed with you that it's plausible, but now we have this movie. So what changes? Xeno's need to consume things in that room. So that leaves air and metals, they're made of metal stuffs, so boom, metal eating acid monsters.

Just as plausible. One can't be right and the other wrong, as were using the same line of thinking. I'm just factoring in the new information.


i don't think "how did the creature grow when there's all this food around?" is the same as "how did the creature grow when there's nothing resembling anything edible around? it must've eaten the spaceship!"

i don't have a problem with you liking a movie, but the differences are obvious and you're either being dishonest on purpose or you really actually believe that two things that are nothing alike are exactly alike, which opens up its own can of worms. do you spend a lot of time on the politics tab?
 
2012-06-26 07:50:22 PM
If you're wondering how a xenomorph eats and breathes, and other science facts...
 
2012-06-26 07:51:11 PM
YoTengoId: yeah, I totally loved it when i got 80% of the way through the movie and still hadn't seen the ship blow up, it was so much fun knowing what happens at the end before i got into the theater.

Studio marketing is getting BAD. As soon as I saw the first teaser I tuned out cause I knew it be bad with this movie, and I was right checking it out after the fact. Did the same to batman and low and behold the latest trailer was on Prometheus and I was forced to basically see a lot of cool stuff I hadn't before.

In their attempt to out do one another, studios are packaging the whole movie into their trailers and ruining it. There's no surprise or specticle left.
 
2012-06-26 07:51:32 PM

fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?


Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

/ Oldest daughter uses her mom's name.
// Wife uses her maiden name.
/// I don't give a shiat one way or another.
 
2012-06-26 07:52:38 PM

fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?


I've wondered about that as well. I'm also trying to sort out what advantage there was to Weyland having the crew believe he was dead. There was subtext of the "king" reigning and then dying (its avoidance being the whole point of the mission) and how children want their father to die, but I'm not sure where it was going. Weyland favored David (not his son, but his ideal creation) over Vickers, and that clearly ate at her, but...an undeveloped plot line.
 
2012-06-26 07:53:35 PM
Fano: If you're wondering how a xenomorph eats and breathes, and other science facts...

yeeep

THIS IS THE INTERNET 2012
 
2012-06-26 08:01:17 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: damon lindelof

Ahh, more damon lindelof rage. Seems to be what most of it all boils down to.

Your rant brought in quite a few things from interviews that are not in the film, but used to criticize it. While they might be good for discussion, they're not the film at all. Space jockey Jesus was a thought, but ultimately not even written in because it wasn't good for the film. But as Scott said the actions of humanity on earth 2000 years ago might give you an insight into the SJ's contempt for us. Scotts doesn't think highly of religion, so a 2000yo space jesus isn't a correct answer to the movie's questions.

it's said in the movie that around 2000 years ago they got pissed at us and decided to wipe us out. the why is answered by scott in the interview.

this is an example of the movie having SUBTEXT from which you can divine the writer's INTENTIONS. this is more evidence than we get for any other leap of logic the characters make in the film, and the actual director of the movie confirming it kind of makes my case a little stronger.

Yup, the other civilizations that had the paintings were dead ones too. Maybe they dealt with them individually, but JC was the final straw and they prepared a final solution?

Either way, that isn't the plot of this movie, even as interesting as it might be. This was a what happens to Shaw and David chapter. We see them, and see them change, but a lot of the why's of what happened long before are going to be withheld to later. We're only along for the ride of what now, as they discover it.


i guess i just don't find that interesting, more goddamn retarded. what exactly are they trying to say? jesus was an alien? the abrahamic god is real, but didn't create us? there is no god, but they thought that out of the millions of prophets claiming divinity that he was a super cool guy? wtf is the point exactly?

this must be IMPORTANT to the story because shaw's only defining characteristic was her FAITH which she apparently has a LOT OF whatever the fark that means. and david's "ripped off from blade runner" - damon lindelof entire arc and motivation being about being familiar with his own gods. not to mention the set design being lousy with religious imagery and the theme of the movie being creation/creators/created so the religious aspect is clearly SIGNIFICANT to the story.

and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

nerd raging too hard. i'm out. get your shiat together, tyrantll. expect better for yourself.
 
2012-06-26 08:02:56 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.


It grew to the size of a small car. In one day. With no access to any thing.

The people were stupid. The plot was stupid. The science was stupid.

This does not require a suspension of belief. This required that you have no brain.
 
2012-06-26 08:05:14 PM

Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

/ Oldest daughter uses her mom's name.
// Wife uses her maiden name.
/// I don't give a shiat one way or another.


i'm imagining you have a pretty hilarious last name like Lipschitz or Butte or Hogg or something like that and i commend you for having a good attitude about it.
 
2012-06-26 08:07:20 PM
The only thing that disappointed me in that movie was that in 2089, flip flops are still around.
 
2012-06-26 08:10:35 PM

YoTengoId: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

/ Oldest daughter uses her mom's name.
// Wife uses her maiden name.
/// I don't give a shiat one way or another.

i'm imagining you have a pretty hilarious last name like Lipschitz or Butte or Hogg or something like that and i commend you for having a good attitude about it.


Nope. Plain old Irish surname of no silly sounds at all.

Daughter uses her mom's because she was with her mom until she was 11, then came to stay with me. My wife has a well established career and it's a PITA to change. I just happen to believe people can call themselves whatever the hell they want.
 
2012-06-26 08:10:43 PM

YoTengoId: i don't think "how did the creature grow when there's all this food around?" is the same as "how did the creature grow when there's nothing resembling anything edible around? it must've eaten the spaceship!"


Even if constrained into believing that the only thing an unknown alien organism, recently exposed to an unknown, highly mutagenic catalyst can use for fuel happen to be the same stuff humans use as food, there are still ample resources available to the proto-facehugger. The surgery machine itself is undoubted loaded full of drugs, chemicals, and likely huge reserves of blood/hemoglobin/stem cells/etc.

You are so haplessly fixated on this particular "flaw" that its kind of strange how much latitude you grant its later iterations. Its almost as if you you just want to dislike this movie, and create reasons do to so. Hope that works out for you.
 
2012-06-26 08:14:23 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.


i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.

either way i'm sick of repeating myself as i'm sure y'all are too.
 
2012-06-26 08:16:00 PM

YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.


Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.
 
2012-06-26 08:17:01 PM
When's the last time a good movie like this cause so much ass-pain? I haven't seen such mental gymnastics over trying to hate such an obviously good thing since they heyday of single-payer Obamacare.
 
2012-06-26 08:19:52 PM

TyrantII: They didn't have a onsite mapping device.


Sorry, Ty, as much as I'll defend the perceived flaws in this film, this one is valid.

Fifield releases the "pups", and begins guiding the group through the caves. At one point, he's asked which way to go and he says "the pups say this way." He clearly doesn't need any help from the ship to access the pup's data, so it doesn't seem likely that those two got lost, or that they didn't have a huge headstart on the rest of the team.
 
2012-06-26 08:19:59 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.


The point was there's no way the aliens could have known when we would decipher their code, therefore they could't know that the constillations would look like when deciphered.

Out of all the plot holes that really didn't bug me that much though. Maybe it should have though...
 
2012-06-26 08:20:45 PM
2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?
 
2012-06-26 08:23:15 PM

Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.


Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.
 
2012-06-26 08:23:29 PM

Wayne 985: justtray: What did Fassbender say to the alien and why?..

Link

"This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life."

I'm not sure what else people think he would've said.


www.rutgerhauer.org

Probably shouldn't have called him "farker." Never works out...
 
2012-06-26 08:24:55 PM
YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....
 
2012-06-26 08:26:06 PM

Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.


I could've sworn that, at some point, they mentioned that the *only* star formation that matched the map wasn't remotely visible with any technology at the time and, in fact, a large part of the costs involved in the project were in developing a telescope (or something) that actually *could* find the star system...
 
2012-06-26 08:27:33 PM

I hate I_Hate_Iowa: When's the last time a good movie like this cause so much ass-pain? I haven't seen such mental gymnastics over trying to hate such an obviously good thing since they heyday of single-payer Obamacare.


"Mental gymnastics" over hating an "obviously good thing"? No offense, but what movie did *you* see?

/Sure, it had pretty pictures...
 
2012-06-26 08:31:01 PM
YoungLochinvar: Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.

I could've sworn that, at some point, they mentioned that the *only* star formation that matched the map wasn't remotely visible with any technology at the time and, in fact, a large part of the costs involved in the project were in developing a telescope (or something) that actually *could* find the star system...


Yes, it's part of it. To our naked eye it was a single point, shown in Holloways hologram.

People are also stuck on the point that it was "an invention" I've noticed. Shaw supposes that, and towards the end of the movie she's yelling that "This isn't what we thought it was". Quite frankly, it's more ambiguity, but again I'm fine with that.
 
2012-06-26 08:31:47 PM

YoungLochinvar: Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.

I could've sworn that, at some point, they mentioned that the *only* star formation that matched the map wasn't remotely visible with any technology at the time and, in fact, a large part of the costs involved in the project were in developing a telescope (or something) that actually *could* find the star system...


Which doesn't in any way change the fact that, assuming the Engineers were on Earth 2,000 years ago and showed humans what the stellar configuration looked like, that it would still likely look like that from Earth a couple thousand years later, even if it required special equipment to see it.

In other words, of all the scientific inaccuracies that one could find in Prometheus, the constellation still looking the same from Earth a couple thousand years later isn't one of them.
 
2012-06-26 08:31:54 PM

fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?


I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.
 
2012-06-26 08:32:33 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....


ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.
 
2012-06-26 08:35:01 PM

YoTengoId: ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.


T2 had Edward Furlong, your argument is invalid. ;)
 
2012-06-26 08:37:17 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.


ok i'll give you that one, ignoring that they were assuming we'd get our interstellar travel on and travel to their weapons facility for reasons that are completely inscrutable.

i'm going to do something really controversial here, but bear with me:

i'd like to retroactively make jude law "the poor man's micheal fassbender." can we agree on this?
 
2012-06-26 08:37:25 PM

Wayne 985: fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?

I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.


43 years and counting. There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon, much less Mars, much much less anything beyond. Unless there some spectacular human history changing event/discovery I don't see us traveling to other star systems in 75 years. They should have pushed the date out another 100 years.
 
2012-06-26 08:39:49 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.


But primitive civilizations would not distinguish them from any of the other stars, which begs the question: who made those cave paintings, in vastly different areas of the world, in vastly different epochs of human history?

It must have been the Engineers, which means they must have kept coming back to Earth again and again. And obviously, they didn't destroy everyone each time. And obviously, there must have been some reason for them to leave those markings behind, certainly not for their own benefit. So, for us? Or a sufficiently advanced version of their creations to reach that planet? But why? There didn't seem to be any reason to lure/invite us there, other than perhaps to see if we could. And based on the various xeno-morph inscribings, we didn't seem to be what they were trying to make.
 
2012-06-26 08:40:00 PM

YoTengoId: i'd like to retroactively make jude law "the poor man's micheal fassbender." can we agree on this?


Hmmm...I will allow it.
 
2012-06-26 08:43:16 PM

Funbags: Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

But primitive civilizations would not distinguish them from any of the other stars, which begs the question: who made those cave paintings, in vastly different areas of the world, in vastly different epochs of human history?

It must have been the Engineers, which means they must have kept coming back to Earth again and again. And obviously, they didn't destroy everyone each time. And obviously, there must have been some reason for them to leave those markings behind, certainly not for their own benefit. So, for us? Or a sufficiently advanced version of their creations to reach that planet? But why? There didn't seem to be any reason to lure/invite us there, other than perhaps to see if we could. And based on the various xeno-morph inscribings, we didn't seem to be what they were trying to make.


Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *points to the night sky* "See that stellar confi...oh wait, you can't. Hold on, let me hold up this hologram of our local cluster."
Ancient human: "OOOOO...I should totally make a picture of that! Can you hold that up for a bit while I carve this?"
 
2012-06-26 08:47:06 PM

steamingpile: MadSkillz: Crap movie? Or will this make more sense in the director's cut?

It makes sense now, people just expected to see a planet populated by them and killing non-stop, the movie is easily in the top 10 this year.

LawrencePerson: The Red Letter Media take on it was also pretty amusing.

No it wasnt, the fat boy is too stupid to grasp the idea of a plot.

The only thing I have an issue with was mentioned earlier on fark, one, you dont pet strange worms that come out of goo and you also dont run in a straight line when something is rolling after you.


content6.flixster.com

Watch out for rolling boulders that turn!
 
2012-06-26 08:47:14 PM

Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.

T2 had Edward Furlong, your argument is invalid. ;)


it's OBVIOUS you missed the poignant subtext behind john connor teaching the terminator silly 90's slang, clearly elucidating the concepts inherent in significant philosophical inquiries like "what is it to be human?" and "did this kid's mom blow jim cameron or something?"
 
2012-06-26 08:47:43 PM

Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!


Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.
 
2012-06-26 08:49:26 PM

Teufelaffe: Funbags: Teufelaffe: YoTengoId: and also the ideas that the constellations look the same all over the world and don't change in however many thousands of years is pretty goddamn beyond the pale.

Constellations do look the same all over the world. Hell, constellations are going to look the same from all over our solar system. You'd have to travel quite a distance before you'd see a difference. Also, as has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, humans have been able to extrapolate celestial movement for hundreds, if not thousands of years before when this story took place. Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

But primitive civilizations would not distinguish them from any of the other stars, which begs the question: who made those cave paintings, in vastly different areas of the world, in vastly different epochs of human history?

It must have been the Engineers, which means they must have kept coming back to Earth again and again. And obviously, they didn't destroy everyone each time. And obviously, there must have been some reason for them to leave those markings behind, certainly not for their own benefit. So, for us? Or a sufficiently advanced version of their creations to reach that planet? But why? There didn't seem to be any reason to lure/invite us there, other than perhaps to see if we could. And based on the various xeno-morph inscribings, we didn't seem to be what they were trying to make.

Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *points to the night sky* "See that stellar confi...oh wait, you can't. Hold on, let me hold up this hologram of our local cluster."
Ancient human: "OOOOO...I should totally make a picture of that! Can you hold that up for a bit while I carve this?"


ok that's a pretty darn elegant explanation
 
2012-06-26 08:51:14 PM

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"
 
2012-06-26 08:52:12 PM

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


She's a replicant.
 
2012-06-26 08:52:36 PM

YoTengoId: you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.


Really? I've agreed that the script has not only unanswered questions, but actual flaws, yet after offering plausible explanations to your specific problem with how the baby squid thing grew so massive so quickly, rather than answering them, you hurl back pedantic insults.

And I'm the dumb person who thinks I'm smart? Got it.
 
2012-06-26 08:54:02 PM
YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.


See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI, especially when it wasn't even needed and bad cast. Last terminator flick was ok, but kind of messed up. Glad I didn't pay to see it, but good for a couch viewing. Love BSG, Firefly, DS9, TNG and liked ENT.

I don't know, as far as thriller, scifi, and horror go I've seen much worse that claims to take itself seriously. Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie, and thats coming from someone who loves B-style horror flicks for their campiness and satire.
 
2012-06-26 08:56:44 PM
fozziewazzi: Wayne 985: fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?

I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.

43 years and counting. There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon, much less Mars, much much less anything beyond. Unless there some spectacular human history changing event/discovery I don't see us traveling to other star systems in 75 years. They should have pushed the date out another 100 years.


That then runs into the alien timeline.

Big no-no they got wrong, why do you need stasis pods on a FTL ship? Forget that it's the first mention of it in that universe, but doesn't FTL negate the need for stasis? I guess to save on supplies? Bleh.
 
2012-06-26 08:57:26 PM
FTFA : "Since I exploded, it is probably hard to explain how I can finish the last few scenes of this movie in the format of this captain's log, but that makes about as much sense as the rest of the plot, so bear with me."


Made me lol

Also " Naw... We'll get around to it later." should be the the movie's tagline
 
2012-06-26 08:57:32 PM

ModernPrimitive01: ....really enjoyed Prometheus. The Giger sets were amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on the Blu ray.


This!
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-26 08:59:09 PM

YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"



You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.
 
2012-06-26 08:59:29 PM

fozziewazzi: There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon


Oh? Newt Gingrich was going to build us a friggin' moon base. DAMN YOU TO HELL, LIBERALS!!
 
2012-06-26 09:01:11 PM

Fano: If you're wondering how a xenomorph eats and breathes, and other science facts...


They gain nutrition by eating the laws of physics.
 
2012-06-26 09:01:48 PM
fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


Did she? I thought she made it very clear that she now ran the company and was along to protect the companies interest. She didn't hide it, but we weren't aware of it till later. That's not the same thing. Maybe she was married up and also a cheating whore?
 
2012-06-26 09:02:18 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.

See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI, ...


Dude how can you not like The Mist?!? He offs his family gf, and two old people at the end only to walk out into.... SAFETY! I couldn't stop laughing... Especially when they all, in the car, just kind of understood they were going to all take the easy way out and kill themselves. Hilarious!
 
2012-06-26 09:02:34 PM
I purposely avoided all the previews because I wanted to watch it int he theatre.

My only problems.

Why have a dickhead geologist?
Why the funny shaped ax?


Other than that, it was great. A couple normal "why the fark are you doing that you dumb fark you are going to be killed" moments. Some big suspension of disbelief (how smart the robot was, finding the system from a few dots, etc) but overall great movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:03:01 PM
YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"


That scene was great.... until that stupid line....

LINDOPHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
 
2012-06-26 09:04:38 PM

fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.


I don't think she was hiding it from the crew. I think the writers were hiding it from the audience. It was supposed to be a big reveal and expose some of her motivations as to why she'd get on board with this thing.

Dad goes on interstellar journey, croaks en-route, and now I inheriting all the money and power. She never expected to find actual aliens.
 
2012-06-26 09:04:44 PM
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Did the hot girl with an obsessively lovestruck severed robot's head as a companion escaping together in the living ship that kills whole planets remind any of you of anything ?
 
2012-06-26 09:07:34 PM

TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie


Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.
 
2012-06-26 09:12:13 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: the giant facehugger had no opportunity to eat

Let's see, there's a surgery machine containing an unknown but likely vast array of drugs, chemicals, and bio-organic materials. The thing was hosed down with whatever that containment gas was. Then, there's an unknown alien species that has been generated by an unknown hyper-mutagenic substance. I'm going to go ahead and say there's plenty of cause to suspend one's disbelief. If you're the type to get hung up on such trivialities, I genuinely feel bad for you; I hope some day you find a work of fiction suitably exhaustive in detail.

i'm not that picky, i just know a turd when i see it. i love all kinds of dumb stuff, i've even been known to watch true blood on occasion. prometheus has a shiatty script and dumb philosophy and bad science and shiat characters and endless plot contrivances. the only good things about the movie are the casting, the set design, and the visual effects. which i liked. it just didn't live me with anything of value, like alien or blade runner or even gladiator shiatty as that was. you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.



Wondering what your top SciFi flicks are....

ok! not a top ten list, some of these are obviously better than others, but stuff i liked: alien/s, blade runner, 2001, gattica, moon, the thing, invasion of the body snatchers (1978 version), a clockwork orange, t1 and t2 if that counts.

many of these movies have at one time or another bad dialogue, plot contrivances, plot holes, etc. none of them have the perfect storm of stupid that is prometheus.

See, love all those too. Not all masterpieces, some with easy to nitpick things in them, but overall good IMO too. YoTengoId, color me perplexed.

I hated T3 for it's poor CGI ...


i pretty much agree. i can't really handle network tv sci fi just because of the compromises taken but i'm not about to shiat on any of those shows. i liked the mist but i won't really defend it. i read asimov and heinlein and clarke and k. dick, card and simmons and stephenson and all manner of sci fi.

i think it's a super cool genre that's capable of exploring the human condition in ways that others can't, an intersection of the fantastical and the factual where great ideas can be broken down and put together in ways we may have never considered before. prometheus is filled with the trappings of great sci fi, and name checks ideas that other, better writers have explored without bringing anything of its own to the table. prometheus wasn't promoted as a dumb popcorn flick, it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s).

the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject, it felt like it was enough to point out that these issues exist without even attempting to unpack any of it or arrange it in a way where it was emotionally resonant or even made any damn sense. there was a great movie they could have made, or even just a half decent one. if the ideas are all stolen from better works anyway, how could they have farked it up so bad?

it seems to me like that lindelof character just doesn't give a shiat about telling a good story, he just wants to dazzle you with how cool his concepts are and then discard them when he actually has to put work into having an opinion about them.
 
2012-06-26 09:15:06 PM

Poorlytoldjoke: YoTengoId: fusillade762: Rent Party: fusillade762: Here's a question I have: if Vickers was Weyland's daughter why was she using the name "Vickers"? What was the point of hiding her true identity from the crew?

Did you know that even now, in the year of Our Lord 2012, women can actually choose whatever name they want? Strange but true!

Feminism aside, that still doesn't explain why she hides being Weyland's daughter.

because she resents her dad for resenting her and doesn't want her successes to be compared to the man who made every major technological breakthrough of the 21st century.

i agree that it was silly and tacked on and farking hilarious when she was all "ok.... FATHER"


You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.


he called her "mum" which is apparently something british servants refer to their betters as.

i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY
 
2012-06-26 09:17:04 PM
Well, yeah, it had some very big problems, but two of them were NOT looking at this
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Or this for two hours
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2012-06-26 09:18:58 PM

Teufelaffe: Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *points to the night sky* "See that stellar confi...oh wait, you can't. Hold on, let me hold up this hologram of our local cluster."
Ancient human: "OOOOO...I should totally make a picture of that! Can you hold that up for a bit while I carve this?"



Not bad, but based on what we've seen of them, here's how I see it unfolding:

Ancient human: "So, big tall and godlike, where are you guys from?"
Engineer: *looks at AH with passive curiosity, "Anah Amz Ghott!! *rips AH's head off, throws it at an innocent AH bystander, hunts down and murders everyone*
 
2012-06-26 09:23:15 PM

Teufelaffe: YoungLochinvar: Teufelaffe: Teufelaffe: Right now we have software that could take a stellar configuration as it appeared 2,000 years ago and estimate what it would look like now or even centuries from now.

Oh, also that assumes that the stars in question would even have moved sufficiently over 2 millenia to require extrapolation. On Earth we have 10,000+ year old depictions of constellations that still look the same today.

I could've sworn that, at some point, they mentioned that the *only* star formation that matched the map wasn't remotely visible with any technology at the time and, in fact, a large part of the costs involved in the project were in developing a telescope (or something) that actually *could* find the star system...

Which doesn't in any way change the fact that, assuming the Engineers were on Earth 2,000 years ago and showed humans what the stellar configuration looked like, that it would still likely look like that from Earth a couple thousand years later, even if it required special equipment to see it.

In other words, of all the scientific inaccuracies that one could find in Prometheus, the constellation still looking the same from Earth a couple thousand years later isn't one of them.


Fine, but to quote the actual link... "Apparently with the bazillions of stars you can see from earth from different hemispheres and across thousands of years this was the only place in all of outer space that five dots lined up just right, and I'm not going to think too hard about that any more."

Arguing about the relative positions of the constellations/stars and whether they've changed, when compared to the "map" that we see at the beginning... is pretty much entirely fruitless. IMHO and all.
 
2012-06-26 09:26:08 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: you got punked by a dumb movie that thinks it's smart. it's possible you're a dumb person who thinks they're smart, and that's why all the defenses you give for the movie are badly thought out and don't actually reflect what happened on screen.

Really? I've agreed that the script has not only unanswered questions, but actual flaws, yet after offering plausible explanations to your specific problem with how the baby squid thing grew so massive so quickly, rather than answering them, you hurl back pedantic insults.

And I'm the dumb person who thinks I'm smart? Got it.


that's the impression i get. of course if they'd filmed the movie you've got in your head it would be 8000x better. the aliens eating the alloys or whatever is a cool idea, there's just nothing to support it in the movie so it makes no sense, according to the internal logic of the story, which is what we're going off of here, not the shiat you make up in your brain.

take the second star wars prequel, attack of the clones. if imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense. it's not canon that he has a butt plug, it probably never occurred to the writers, but it fixes a hole in the movie and makes me feel better.

^^^^^^^^^

this is what you are doing
 
2012-06-26 09:27:14 PM

TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Wayne 985: fozziewazzi: 2087 is way too soon for interstellar travel. Does anyone think someone born today could possibly see travel like this by the time he turns 75?

I was going to argue with you, but I think you're sadly right. It's already been 43 years since the damn Moon landing and we've gone no farther.

43 years and counting. There are no serious plans I know of to even take us back to the moon, much less Mars, much much less anything beyond. Unless there some spectacular human history changing event/discovery I don't see us traveling to other star systems in 75 years. They should have pushed the date out another 100 years.

That then runs into the alien timeline.

Big no-no they got wrong, why do you need stasis pods on a FTL ship? Forget that it's the first mention of it in that universe, but doesn't FTL negate the need for stasis? I guess to save on supplies? Bleh.


Space is so big even light seems slow. 8 minutes for sunlight to reach the earth, whats up with that?

So if we've somehow discovered FTL travel it still may not be enough to get us to other star systems in anything less than a few years. The closest star to earth is 4 light years away. Even if we had a ship that could travel 4xlight speed it would still take us a year to get there. And overcoming the laws of physics is a mighty big 'if'.

We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.
 
2012-06-26 09:29:57 PM

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.



pichars.org
 
2012-06-26 09:31:03 PM

Jocundry: Prometheus was nothing but plot holes.


None of those are plot holes, just turns in the story you dont get or didnt follow along closely enough to comprehend.
The answer to the first two is the biologist was stupid, the 3rd was that scenes were deleted, 4th=advance science monitoring outside air(or did you miss that whole exchange?), 5th is easy when the answer is just to try and find the fountain of youth to save your old ass and if you dont think genders are different then you must have missed health class too, 6 is because they said before hand they wont take infected back on board, 7 was because they knew what happened, 8 again if you had paid attention it was in his programming to bring back organic material or species, just like ash.

If you watched the other alien films or at least 1 and 2 then you should have no trouble following along but most expected aliens and got alien which was exactly like prometheus, slow and no creatures until almost all the way through the movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:31:27 PM

Poorlytoldjoke: You don't think there is the possibility that she was an android? Fassbender did call her mother.


She was too emotional near the end to be an android. They've already established earlier in Prometheus, as well as in Alien, Aliens, and Alien3 that androids do not have or even pretend to have emotions.

He doesn't call her mother, he calls her "mum" which is a British contraction of "Madam" and sign of respect for a female elder or superior.
 
2012-06-26 09:32:03 PM

YoTengoId: it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s)...the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject,


Was it just me, or did Prometheus address pretty much everything to do with the nature of our proposed creators?

Considering how all the major religions postulate a loving, compassionate god, an omnipotent, omniscient being who cares deeply about our existence, has a plan for each of us, who will endlessly reward our faith and piety and mercilessly punish our disobedience. Well, our progenitors in Prometheus turn out to be a bit different.

You favor movies such as Blade Runner, and Moon, did you understand what those movies were actually about? The concepts they examined? Hint: Blade Runner wasn't about whether its ok to kill robots, and Moon wasn't about getting away before the bad guys got there.
 
2012-06-26 09:32:07 PM
Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.


Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.
 
2012-06-26 09:35:56 PM

fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.


Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.
 
2012-06-26 09:38:09 PM
TyrantII: Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.

Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.


Oh, it was a casting call for Walking Dead and Hung though....

/shrug
 
2012-06-26 09:41:07 PM

YoTengoId: i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY


Ridley Scott has expressly stated she was not a robot. In my first viewing, I was pretty sure she was (especially since she was the only one seemingly unaffected by hypersleep) until she decided to "get a little captain in her". It may have been an interesting plot device to have Weyland only able to produce artificial offspring, and an interesting sibling rivalry, but why even submit to hypersleep at all if Vickers was artificial? Although IIRC, Bishop and Ash both did.
 
2012-06-26 09:44:32 PM

liam76: Why the funny shaped ax?


I forgot about the space axe! Where did she get it? And where did it end up?

The movie was just a bunch of references to other scifi moves and whatever looked "cool". They never got around to exploring any questions about humanity, or religion, or morality, etc. It was just kind of... there.
 
2012-06-26 09:47:23 PM
I was pretty disappointed. This movie just goes to show you how exceptional Alien really was. Alien came so close to stretching your credibility to the breaking point, but it always had a clever way to avoid doing so. Ash, the robot programmed to use the crew to procure a specimen of the Alien was not in Dan O'Bannon's original screenplay. As a number of people were involved in re-working it, it apparently isn't clear just whose idea he was. But he was a stroke of pure genius. With the level of technology of the Nostromo, the idea that an alien parasite could be growing inside of Kane without them being aware of it would have too much to swallow. But with Ash there to protect the alien, and deceive the crew? Pure plot saving genius! Sometimes you can just imagine the writers: "How do we explain why they cannot remove it? Acid for blood!" It's too bad the same crew couldn't have been assembled for this outing.

I enjoyed the spectacular visual effects, and I'm glad I plunked down the cash to see it in a theater, something I rarely do these days. But I couldn't ignore some of the glaring defects (why was the geologist getting in the archeologists face like that? He wanted to go back to the ship, but he seemed on the verge of physically assaulting her, and it seemed out of place.) There were a number of others, and they took away from my enjoyment of the film. Noomi Rapace's character running around with her abdomen stapled together made me sad. As was already mentioned, we've suspended disbelief about magical faster than light technology, why not have some magical medical technology that would have made her post surgical ambulatory state less unbelievable?

I hope that the sequel is better.
 
2012-06-26 09:51:35 PM
PanicMan: liam76: Why the funny shaped ax?

I forgot about the space axe! Where did she get it? And where did it end up?

The movie was just a bunch of references to other scifi moves and whatever looked "cool". They never got around to exploring any questions about humanity, or religion, or morality, etc. It was just kind of... there.


Well Space axes are multifunction tools we've had for millennia. We still use axes today, and a fire ax on a ship in the ocean is as common as it probably would be on a space ship. As for what happened to it, it was cut because Scott didn't like Shaw chopping down the Engineer before his encounter with the proto-facehugger. It diminished him, and I tend to agree.

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.
 
2012-06-26 09:53:15 PM

Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.


I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?
 
2012-06-26 09:53:16 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: it was promoted as a heady examination of the relationship between the created and their creator(s)...the movie had pretty much farkall to say on this subject,

Was it just me, or did Prometheus address pretty much everything to do with the nature of our proposed creators?

Considering how all the major religions postulate a loving, compassionate god, an omnipotent, omniscient being who cares deeply about our existence, has a plan for each of us, who will endlessly reward our faith and piety and mercilessly punish our disobedience. Well, our progenitors in Prometheus turn out to be a bit different.

You favor movies such as Blade Runner, and Moon, did you understand what those movies were actually about? The concepts they examined? Hint: Blade Runner wasn't about whether its ok to kill robots, and Moon wasn't about getting away before the bad guys got there.


there was some room to explore the idea of our creators being as flawed as we are but what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus and pointed us to their weapons facility for no reason.

this is the dumb person thinks they're smart thing. you can't just say "PLATOS CAVE PARABLE" and then smile like an idiot because you recognize something a smart person did, you have to actually display some understanding of the idea and provide your own insight. which the movie didn't, because the writers were too goddamn stupid to.

Funbags: YoTengoId: i guess she could be an android, but i think the point of her character was to show that she was more android-y than david because IRONY

Ridley Scott has expressly stated she was not a robot. In my first viewing, I was pretty sure she was (especially since she was the only one seemingly unaffected by hypersleep) until she decided to "get a little captain in her". It may have been an interesting plot device to have Weyland only able to produce artificial offspring, and an interesting sibling rivalry, but why even submit to hypersleep at all if Vickers was artificial? Although IIRC, Bishop and Ash both did.


i'm not saying she's artificial, i'm saying the writers made her ACT artificial so the IRONY of her acting less human than the robot would totally blow your mind bro
 
2012-06-26 09:53:54 PM

YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.


Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.
 
2012-06-26 09:56:12 PM

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


Haldeman's "The Forever War" is probably the best examination of this ever written. Guys would fly off to fight the alien bad guys and while it would only be a four or five year trip on the ship, hundreds of years would pass back home and the entire geo-political climate would change.

Excellent book. A classic, in fact. They'll probably fark it up with a movie, I'm sure.
 
2012-06-26 09:58:39 PM
Let's play a game...

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...called "Just the tip".
 
2012-06-26 10:00:03 PM

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.
 
2012-06-26 10:05:36 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.


it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to defend the shiatty parts, just tell me why it's good or explain to me what the writers were actually saying, it's possible i missed it. you clearly enjoyed it, do you mind telling me why? what resonated with you, who did you connect with, what did you learn?
 
2012-06-26 10:07:20 PM

TyrantII: Funbags: TyrantII: Caught Mist the other night and that was a walking abortion of a movie

Sorry to invite going OT, but what did you dislike about it? The ending? I'm assuming you read its source material.

Nope, not yet. I think I'd like the book. The ending is straight up what I should like, as I don't like nice neat, happy endings.

The whole movie was just Dreck though; Bad over acting, horrible misuse of CGI, crappy dialogue, no tension, unintentionally hilarious circumstances, and ever horror cliche in the book without even doing so in a way to pay tribute, boring. Hell, ALIENS cocooned pawns were there too (granted not the first use). It just didn't strike right with me.

I thought Dreamcatcher was better, even though it has it's own flaws (especially bad CGI again). Felt more like a film and less like a student production.


I won't say too much then, but I highly recommend it, would be curious about your own opinion on King's ending compared to the film's.

And I can't say much of anything positive about Dreamcatcher. Morgan Freeman must have been extremely late on some mortgage payments to willingly wear those eyebrows. And the conclusion? With Duddits? Wow. Just wow. Staggeringly bad. The novel wasn't very good, but it was Moby Dick compared to its screenplay.
 
2012-06-26 10:10:41 PM

TyrantII:

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.


Do you have the gist of how that convo goes (beyond "my boss here wants more life, farker") In the movie in my head that scene plays like groggy Engineer wakes up and is largely nonplussed by the smaller chittering versions of himself UNTIL one of them talks to him and it's a robot. Creating non organic life is apparently some huge blasphemy resulting in "RAAHHH Engie SMASH puny humans". -or- since in the released version the Engineer never replies to David we can't actually be sure if he even understood all the clicks and whistles David made and just completely lost his shiat and killed everybody because he's just not a morning guy.

Being able to read a dead language is one thing but to speak it without ever hearing it first probably doesn't work %100. How would you like it if you woke up 2000 years late for work to find some 4 foot tall monkeys and their animatronic Realdoll creeping around your bedroom and it says to you "Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays" ? You know you would rip it's head off and use it to beat the rest of them to death with too.
 
2012-06-26 10:11:06 PM

Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.


Good movies do that: you're enjoying things way too much to slow down and think "hey, that doesn't make sense." Bad movies cause you to sit and nitpick every last detail.
 
2012-06-26 10:12:13 PM

kab: FTA: "Charlize Theron was great "

wat


That bothered me too. She was serviceable (in more ways than one),but certainly NOT "great".
 
2012-06-26 10:12:53 PM
Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.


I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?
 
2012-06-26 10:16:06 PM

YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to ...


To be charitable, I chalked it up to the substance in the canisters being a bio weapon that worked with whatever was available, with the ultimate goal of achieving the final form of Giger's nightmare from Alien as quickly as possible. If a planet were only partially infected, the resulting life forms would wipe out whatever was left of the original biosphere, leaving the planet utterly transformed. Being an ultimate predator, and finally extinguishing all prey, they would ultimately all die out, leaving the planet devoid of all animal life.
 
2012-06-26 10:19:08 PM

YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus


Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.
 
2012-06-26 10:21:03 PM

TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?


they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

as opposed to the scientists on the prometheus, which run around like retards doing everything they can to get into trouble. and are apparently incapable of moving left or right to avoid falling objects. and like to cuddle with space snakes and get lost in places they have detailed maps for etc etc etc etc etc etc goddamn what a terribly written movie
 
2012-06-26 10:22:37 PM
YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don't have to ...


...

But the goo doesn't do anything. It does something very specific that if you've seen other ALIEN flicks you pick up on well. The goo simply mutates things towards xenomorphs. Thats it. If it's a weapon, thats all.

Goo is in a alter room with religious murals of xeno's, proto-xenos and a Engineer blessing one
Goo turns a mealworm into a facehugger like snake with acid blood.
Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing (he throws off two people before pleading to be getting torched)
Goo mutates Fifield and he's running around killing like a freakin xeno would. (The production book shows us his more xeno like form was cut to preserve his likeness more / facial acting)
Goo causes Shaw to birth squid like face hugger
Last the prot-facehugger births a deacon proto-xenomorph.

It was pretty much all there but the fifield thing, and you can clearly draw that conclusion even though they cut the visual goods with him.

What they don't tell us is why the goo is different in the prologue and later. It's very obviously different in that part of the film, but really, only that part. The rest was consistent.
 
2012-06-26 10:23:24 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus

Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.


The Engineers were our friends (or at least not hostile toward us) until about 2,000 years ago, then they suddenly decided we needed to die horribly and painfully. Add the religious overtones, and it's not that much of a stretch to think that one of the Engineers was the entity we know as Jesus.
 
2012-06-26 10:25:52 PM

TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?


Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY to procure a specimen of this life form. The Nostromo might not have been the first ship sent on this mission by WY. This might have been the first time they thought they really had a chance of getting what they were after, since they had an ace up their sleeve (secret android) on board with the space truckers.

Who knows how much WY really knew? The Nostromo's computer had already deciphered enough of the transmission for Ripley to realize that it was a warning signal, not a distress signal. But by then it was too late to warn the boarding party.
 
2012-06-26 10:26:46 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: what the story actually SAID is our creators are just big humans who loved jesus

Snark aside, break this down for me. I completely missed how the film presented the Engineers as having any relation to Jesus or any specific Christian tenet. True, Shaw wore a crucifix (and steadfastly insisted on it, even after the Biblical record was pretty much shot to shiat), but I don't see the link.


i'm not snarking. it says in the movie that ~2000 years ago the engineers decided to kill us.

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/82 3 2

"Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an "our children are misbehaving down there" scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Lets' send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him. "


this is both confirming and denying the jesus theory. what pushes it over into canon for me is that they left the line in about them deciding to kill us right around the time jesus died. i understand it's a stretch, but we have literally no other information on the topic except for the date our doom was decided and the intention of the director.
 
2012-06-26 10:27:35 PM
One Bad Apple: TyrantII:

Likewise I hope they don't cut back in the Engineer, David convo. Simply no need. It works better as is.

Do you have the gist of how that convo goes (beyond "my boss here wants more life, farker") In the movie in my head that scene plays like groggy Engineer wakes up and is largely nonplussed by the smaller chittering versions of himself UNTIL one of them talks to him and it's a robot. Creating non organic life is apparently some huge blasphemy resulting in "RAAHHH Engie SMASH puny humans". -or- since in the released version the Engineer never replies to David we can't actually be sure if he even understood all the clicks and whistles David made and just completely lost his shiat and killed everybody because he's just not a morning guy.

Being able to read a dead language is one thing but to speak it without ever hearing it first probably doesn't work %100. How would you like it if you woke up 2000 years late for work to find some 4 foot tall monkeys and their animatronic Realdoll creeping around your bedroom and it says to you "Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays" ? You know you would rip it's head off and use it to beat the rest of them to death with too.


Fassbender said in an interview that well have to wait for the DVD...

I thought it played out much as you got it, but the engineer also witness the cruelty of the Merc shutting a very distressed Shaw up. In my mind the Engineer is a Navy Seal that wasn't to be brought out of stasis until a few clicks from earth (hence the course plotted scene earlier) for his mission, and now he finds all these apes gawking at him and one crudely artificial one asking for the fountain of youth.
 
2012-06-26 10:33:41 PM

theorellior: The sad thing is that there is evidently tons of footage, from that scene and more, that would probably do a good job of nullifying (or at least making acceptable) many of the annoyances we've listed here.


Based on the parts of the film that did make the final cut, as well as the writer's previous works, I think "probably" is being generous.

That said, I think the most severe criticisms of the film are "that was probably explained in a scene which was cut but that neither I nor anyone I know has actually seen" or "that's probably explained in a non-existent prequel/sequel" (i.e. the film, as is, is incomplete).
And somewhat puzzlingly, both of these criticisms seem to be leveled most often by the film's defenders.
 
2012-06-26 10:34:04 PM
Funbags: I won't say too much then, but I highly recommend it, would be curious about your own opinion on King's ending compared to the film's.

And I can't say much of anything positive about Dreamcatcher. Morgan Freeman must have been extremely late on some mortgage payments to willingly wear those eyebrows. And the conclusion? With Duddits? Wow. Just wow. Staggeringly bad. The novel wasn't very good, but it was Moby Dick compared to its screenplay.



Now going to have to read it! I just started the The System of the World, but I'll go for it next probably. Like I said, I like bad horror movies and B-flick. But Mist just felt like pandering in that is was so badly done and produced. I couldn't believe it was a Friday night syfy production. The half-life / silent hill merge might have worked, but the way it came together failed horribly.

Dreamcatcher, it ain't anything special. But it's watchable where Mist wasn't. I'm not even sure why. I liked the cast and their acting / dialogue wasn't like nails on a chalk board. Maybe the setting around the Quabbin and VT kept me into it? Who knows, but the ending was a bit anti-climatic and out of left field.

King movies (books? been a while) need to go back to props with less CGI and figure out how to use human characters.
 
2012-06-26 10:39:22 PM
YoTengoId: they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

Millions? Maybe hundreds of thousands, but i doubt meth addicts are in charge of millions in shipping.

I liken it to those huge mega cargo container ships with millions to billions. They don't put yokels in charge, and there's always an officer behind the wheel. You need years of education, training and service to be trusted to pilot those beasts.

I don't see why NOS would be different. Especially the executive crew. Ripley was a lieutenant after all. How many truck drivers get command designation?
 
2012-06-26 10:39:41 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: Funbags: YoTengoId: imagine that anakin has a massive butt plug up his ass throughout the entire movie then his character's actions and facial expressions make more sense.

Ok, that elicited a LOL. But, to belabor a point, assuming that the squid baby needed a material food source to explain its exponential growth, that the materials in the surgery machine could have provided it?

Actually, let me re-frame the question: if the squid baby was roughly the same size as when it emerged from Shaw's womb, and still managed to ram a protuberance down the throat of the Engineer, would that satisfy your deeply-held contempt for this part? Because its not really important that the thing became gigantic, only that its DNA mingled with the Engy's DNA, resulting in a proto-xenomorph.

And even THAT isn't important to the real themes of the movie.

it's not just that that scene is a mess, it's that almost every scene is a mess and the themes are a mess and the characters suck except for david.

i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke regardless of whether it makes any sense.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum

the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen, just like the idiot scientists are a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen. the alien lifecycle doesn't really make any sense scientifically but it operates under its own internal logic that makes sense within the information provided with the story. why is this concept so difficult to relate to you?

it's ok if you liked the movie, seriously. you're not a bad person. are you a lost fan or something? you don ...


ok i'm getting sick of biatching so i'll join you on this one for a second

it makes sense if the goo has a purpose - a pinnacle form that it always evolves towards. that would explain the goo in the beginning: the engineer takes it, falls apart, starts the process of evolution that billions of years later turns into humans which are apparently identical to the engineers. pinnacle form: human/engineer thing. the pinnacle theory of evolution is horseshiat, but whatever. it sort of works. the goo is fire, ancient engineer sacrifices himself so that billions of years from them man may live. supposing that that first world is earth. which it may not be.

the Modern Goo's pinnacle is the xenomorph. it's highly advanced, weaponized even, so it works very quickly on whatever it touches to turn it into a living weapon.

why that turns the mealworm (wtf did that come from, anyway) into a penis/vagina snake, that one dude turns into a zombie (he did not resemble a xenomorph, move like a xenomorph, or act like a xenomorph) or not turn archeologist dude into a zombie and put a fish in his eye or whatever is not readily apparent.
 
2012-06-26 10:43:52 PM
Repo Man: TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?

Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY to procure ...


So WY corp hand picked a gullible crew of lovable screw-ups to use as lab rats under the guise of an Android?

Please tell me more!

Really though, a lot of the stupid stuff in this movie is just Scott retelling ALIEN, only slightly different. Maybe it doesn't work now, maybe it's a little more sloppy, but it's really just ALIEN again.
 
2012-06-26 10:44:22 PM

TyrantII: YoTengoId: they're a blue collar towing company in the future. they're not scientists. why do trucking companies put meth addled convicts in charge of millions of dollars of merchandise? and they do damn well and react realistically to the situations they're in, their dialogue is intelligent and naturalistic, subtly conveying subtext without beating you over the head with it.

Millions? Maybe hundreds of thousands, but i doubt meth addicts are in charge of millions in shipping.

I liken it to those huge mega cargo container ships with millions to billions. They don't put yokels in charge, and there's always an officer behind the wheel. You need years of education, training and service to be trusted to pilot those beasts.

I don't see why NOS would be different. Especially the executive crew. Ripley was a lieutenant after all. How many truck drivers get command designation?


i'm not sure i get your point. they acted competently, especially for people with no scientific or military training. they were clearly good at their jobs and forced into a situation they were in no way prepared for.

contrast this with archeologists who are bored with alien archeology, biologists that suck at biology and geologists who can't read a map. people who were expecting aliens and acted like... there's no word for it that applies to real people... bad characters in a shiatty horror movie. what, exactly, is your point? that alien has many of the same flaws as prometheus? because it doesn't. that's not even a good try, you can do better.
 
2012-06-26 10:49:27 PM

fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?


Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?
 
2012-06-26 10:52:32 PM
YoungLochinvar: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?


Which is why stasis in the new movie is perplexing. Unless it's just standard to plan missions for relativistic travel needs, so they still need to limit up time to conserve supplies?
 
2012-06-26 10:53:07 PM

TyrantII: Repo Man: TyrantII: Repo Man: fozziewazzi: Rent Party: fozziewazzi:
We can assume the Prometheus went somewhere much further than Proxima Centauri. If they got there in less than 3 years they must have been traveling many many times the speed of light.

Three years ship time, though, would get you much farther than three years from Earth's frame of reference. Time would go slower on the ship, so while if they were going 50 light years, it may only take 3 years on the ship, but 50+ from Earth.

Might be why they were making the big money, too.

I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

With the original Alien, the idea was loners and misfits. It was always a bit of a puzzler with Aliens - it was only a matter of weeks between the call for help from LV-426, and the arrival of the space marines. Which made you wonder why they even bothered to use suspended animation, but then the rest of the movie was such a roller coaster ride that you shoved the thought out of your mind.

I still want to know why loners and misfits were in charge of a billion/trillion dollar ore refinery ship/platform. Seems like a lot of ship to put them in charge of. Especially since they leave it in orbit all alone, unsecured, first unidentified signal they got. What about space pirates?

/it's a trap?

Being a huge Alien nerd, remember: Mother stopped the ship, and woke them from cryosleep (suspended animation being necessary because of the length of the mission, which was assumed to be approaching the speed of light) with orders to investigate. Remember how initially confused they were to not be in Earth orbit? It all makes sense when you know that the whole thing was a setup by WY t ...


wow, that really is your point.

no, just no. so much wrong here. the crew of the nostromo weren't lovable screw ups, they were competent people in a hopeless situation. that's where the horror comes from. they didn't do anything wrong, the threat they were facing was actually threatening. they didn't need to act like retards to make scary stuff happened, and it actually meant something when they died because they didn't purposefully put themselves into situations where death would occur immediately.

this is the difference between good and bad writing. good writing has plot happen organically as the result of complex characters and the choices they make which are internally consistent with who they are and what they're experiencing.

prometheus has shiat writing where the plot is driven by idiots who should know better doing dumb things to advance the plot. there are clear differences in the way the drama is handled in both films and if you can't see it then you're farking blind. or trolling. maybe you're the alt. regardless, don't ignore reality and shiat on alien because you like a dumb movie, it's not fair to the talented people who worked to make that movie as great as it is.
 
2012-06-26 10:54:41 PM

YoTengoId: i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke


There was evidence in the pyramid that suggested something like that final proto-xenomorph was possibly what the Engies were shooting for. The xenomorph (if we can agree on that word to describe the specific alien species in "Alien") was a perfect predator, something that might be valuable to the Engineers (or Weyland-Yutani) if it could be controlled. The thing that emerged from the giant squid/Engineer fusion in the final scene was NOT a xenomorph, though it bore significant similarities, which, while I agree was a bit of fanservice for the Alien fans, did not detract from the rest of the movie.

YoTengoId: the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen


The goo had unpredictable, uncontrollable effects, but that does not make it a plot contrivance. If anything, it "humanizes" the Engineers that much more, and makes the allusions to the myth of Prometheus that much more valid.

Prometheus took fire from the gods, and gave it to man, making them more like their gods. But did he give them the wisdom to use it? Used wisely, fire is very valuable. Used recklessly, fire is extremely deadly. Etc, etc, sequel, lunchboxes, t-shirts.

YoTengoId: are you a lost fan or something?


In total, I've seen less than 60 seconds of Lost. Having read a bit of the Lost fancruft, I'm convinced I would dislike it. Seemed like it starts with a contrived plot and the writers just didn't know what to do with it from week to week. I know one of its writers wrote this screenplay, and that's where your going with inquiring, but I think I'd hate Lost, while I really enjoyed Prometheus (despite its flaws).
 
2012-06-26 10:59:22 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.
 
2012-06-26 11:06:14 PM
Every review or blog features a gripe about Vickers being crushed by the rolling space ship, and they're right- it's stupid. But isn't that what people are when they're in a panic and running for their lives? Stupid? Even the hero, Shaw, was making the same mistake until she fell over (and nearly suffered the same fate). That's the benefit of being in the audience, sometimes we get to see what the characters themselves don't. It's like being told to play dead when confronted by a bear (probably a myth, but stay with me...), I almost certainly wouldn't pause long enough to access that part of my brain, I'd run like an idiot. Probably pushing over one or more of my companions in my panic.

As for not having interstellar travel by 2087; almost certainly true, but at some point you have to let these little things go for the story. 2001: A Space Odyssey is an oft-used benchmark for modern scifi, but you rarely hear anyone say that it's a shiat film because it's currently 2012 and we still don't have a base on the moon.
 
2012-06-26 11:09:46 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: i'm sure you can twist your mind up into a knot and give me an explanation for why infected archeologist + shaw's womb + facefarked engineer = fully formed xenomorph thing (not a chestburster) but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous and doesn't change the fact that it was shoehorned into the movie to give alien fanboys a teasing little cockstroke

There was evidence in the pyramid that suggested something like that final proto-xenomorph was possibly what the Engies were shooting for. The xenomorph (if we can agree on that word to describe the specific alien species in "Alien") was a perfect predator, something that might be valuable to the Engineers (or Weyland-Yutani) if it could be controlled. The thing that emerged from the giant squid/Engineer fusion in the final scene was NOT a xenomorph, though it bore significant similarities, which, while I agree was a bit of fanservice for the Alien fans, did not detract from the rest of the movie.

YoTengoId: the goo being able to do anything is a crutch for a shiatty writer to make anything he wants happen

The goo had unpredictable, uncontrollable effects, but that does not make it a plot contrivance. If anything, it "humanizes" the Engineers that much more, and makes the allusions to the myth of Prometheus that much more valid.

Prometheus took fire from the gods, and gave it to man, making them more like their gods. But did he give them the wisdom to use it? Used wisely, fire is very valuable. Used recklessly, fire is extremely deadly. Etc, etc, sequel, lunchboxes, t-shirts.

YoTengoId: are you a lost fan or something?

In total, I've seen less than 60 seconds of Lost. Having read a bit of the Lost fancruft, I'm convinced I would dislike it. Seemed like it starts with a contrived plot and the writers just didn't know what to do with it from week to week. I know one of its writers wrote this screenplay, and that's where your going with inquiring, but I think I'd hate Lost, while I really enjoyed Prometheus ...


apparently the effects are completely controllable and predictable, seeing how they seeded life on earth which ended up producing a species that is 100% identical to the engineers. that's either an astronomically unlikely happy accident or they did it on purpose, either way it's shiatty writing.
 
2012-06-26 11:10:17 PM

TyrantII: Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing


Was Holloway mutating or disintegrating (a la the prologue)? Because he was looking pretty jacked once the mutagen had time to take hold, black subdermal marks not unlike the prologue Engy. He wasn't even strong enough to walk by himself.
 
2012-06-26 11:10:56 PM

TyrantII: I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.


And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.
 
2012-06-26 11:16:17 PM
Funbags: TyrantII: Goo changed Hollowway, but is killed while still human. BUT his strength is increasing

Was Holloway mutating or disintegrating (a la the prologue)? Because he was looking pretty jacked once the mutagen had time to take hold, black subdermal marks not unlike the prologue Engy. He wasn't even strong enough to walk by himself.


Ok one more to point something out, but I'll answer you first. It wasn't strength that he was doubled over in, it was pain from his change. He wasn;t weak at all, just curled into a ball of pain. Right before he's torched two people help him to get him back up but he screams no and very easily flings them off violently, then runs towards the bay, pauses and tells Vickers to do it, do it!

As for a big scene missing, this was in the trailer but not in the movie:

http://i.imgur.com/kYDta.png

Most people think it's Fifields xeno return. As to why it was cut, either timing or it took away from the upcoming engineer and deacon chestbuster scene. No word if it's going to be in the final cut.
 
2012-06-26 11:19:01 PM

dai the flu: Every review or blog features a gripe about Vickers being crushed by the rolling space ship, and they're right- it's stupid. But isn't that what people are when they're in a panic and running for their lives? Stupid?


The problem is that it's done so often that it's become a cliche. Micheal bay and Roland Emmerich have turned that scene into an art form. If you want to kill Vickers, have her fall down or get her foot stuck or something. Still cliched, but at least it's believable.
 
2012-06-26 11:20:41 PM

Repo Man: TyrantII: I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Parking Nos in orbit with no crew or supervision
Landing on a hostile moon
Sending out your Captain and XO over the Lt and Science officer.
Kane acting all Milburn when finding exo-biology

I'll grant it's a bit tighter of a movie, but you can nit pick the shiat out of just about anything as a Monday morning quarterback. THATS my point.

People are asking why a biologist was stupid, Biologists are not stupid! No, never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP-PSpSRzPM

Anyways, good discussion all. Gotta be up early, but i like that a movie can generate dialogue. No one seems to be talking about MIB or whatever god awful Sandler movie just came out. So least Prometheus stirs the passions, at minimum.

And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.


i wouldn't worry about it, s/he's not actually interested in making an honest account of either film and wants to mindlessly insist that either prometheus is awesome or prometheus may not be awesome but alien is just as bad or that all criticism of prometheus is a result of lindelof-inspired rage or whatever is convenient.

it's like if i made an argument that the thing (1980) sucks because the thing (2011) contains elements borrowed from the original. or that the thing (2011) is awesome because the thing (1980) has the same flaws as the thing (2011) because they had a similar plot arc. or, i don't know, i'm having trouble parsing this stuff out because it makes no sense. maybe that's the problem? i'd have to literally not be able to tell the difference between two wildly different things to try to claim some shiat like that.
 
2012-06-26 11:21:35 PM

Repo Man: And I don't see any validity to your complaints. The refinery didn't need any supervision. They landed on the moon because they had standing orders to investigate (and the ship's course had been altered by the computer for just that reason). I've never found the selection of the boarding party problematic. And Kane had no idea that he'd discovered an alien life form until it was too late.


The great thing about the crew of the Nostromo was that they were just blue collar schlubs. They didn't care about space or first contact or anything like that, they were just trying to make a living.
 
2012-06-26 11:34:07 PM

YoTengoId: no, just no. so much wrong here. the crew of the nostromo weren't lovable screw ups, they were competent people in a hopeless situation. that's where the horror comes from. they didn't do anything wrong, the threat they were facing was actually threatening. they didn't need to act like retards to make scary stuff happened, and it actually meant something when they died because they didn't purposefully put themselves into situations where death would occur immediately.


Sorry, I'm calling you on this. Ripley was the ranking officer, and tried enforcing standard quarantine protocols. but they were not observed. True, it was Ash (who had a personal agenda for such encounters) who directly violated them, but all of the crew (including Dallas) insisted that they be ignored. Ash was merely the one who pulled the lever.

No, the crew of the Nostromo was dumb, and that's why the scary stuff happened. And I unapologetically LOVE Alien.
 
2012-06-26 11:38:41 PM
I really enjoyed the movie while being simultaneously repulsed. I mean, it wasn't The Best Movie Evarr, and in its class, it was no Naked Lunch, but it was worth watching. We had a lot of discussion afterwards so it was a Thinking Movie For Some People.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-26 11:42:27 PM

justtray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of thjusttray: vpb: justtray: Stills bugs me how the dude who mapped the tunnels got lost, after leaving first, and then went and hid in the one room they were deathly afraid of.

So stupid.

Yes, he he was the person who launched the little probe things, so he must be telepathically linked to them at all times recording what they discover with his photographic memory.

As I recall, Milburn wasn't "deathly afraid" of that room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.

at room, it was Fifield who was freaked out by the alien corpse and they didn't go and hide in it, they got lost and ended back there. The article was tongue in cheek, with a bit of exaggeration for comedic effect. I wouldn't take it as a serious critique of the plot.

Seriously shut the f*ck up. He has an open, uninterrupted comm link to the captain who, during basically the entire movie, was looking at the maps of the tunnels. There is absolutely no excuse for them to get lost. They have magic flying mapping devices, and yet, he had no mobile link to view the map? Even less plausable.

There's no exaggeration. This was my first thought coming out of the movie, and I didn't have to read any analysis to realize how stupid it was. The reason it gets mentioned in EVERY SINGLE critique of the movie is because it's that pants-on-head retarded.

It really makes no difference who was afraid of the room. They got freaked out by the captain who told them the scanner spotted life, and the safe place they go to is the place everyone ran away from, including them. It just makes no sense. Don't try to white knight for it, it was lazy, crappy writing and nothing more.


Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.
 
2012-06-26 11:56:51 PM

YoTengoId: apparently the effects are completely controllable and predictable, seeing how they seeded life on earth which ended up producing a species that is 100% identical to the engineers. that's either an astronomically unlikely happy accident or they did it on purpose, either way it's shiatty writing.


Actually, if the goo was controllable and predictable, the Engineers wouldn't have lost containment on LV-223. But you already know this.

Not fully understanding how the goo works /= the goo does only what the Engineers want and nothing ever goes wrong. In fact, it adds more credence to the fallibility of the Engineers, who, ironically, form the foundation of Earth's worship of infallible beings.

And true to form, we go on to create nuclear power plants that have meltdowns, create dams that are tragically insufficient, create forms of government that leave millions starving and impoverished. And all the while, we have the gift of fire...
 
2012-06-27 12:13:01 AM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: im going to unleash a F-5 derpnado


and you were successful
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-27 12:14:18 AM
Wow, this is better than a Zimmerman/Martin post for deep.
Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?
 
2012-06-27 12:17:24 AM

vpb: Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?


That just means he's half the director Michael Bay is.
 
2012-06-27 12:37:55 AM
entire thread...:

s7.postimage.org

Prometheus farking suuuuuuucks!!!!! AHHHH AHHHHH AHHHH!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-27 12:46:36 AM
All I can say to this tidal wave of derp is look at Blade Runner, which bombed with critics, but turned into a major success.

If you look at the people who hateted the movie, you get people who simply didn't comprehend it.
 
2012-06-27 12:50:58 AM

vpb: Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.



That right there is probably the single dumbest thing anyone has said in this entire 430+ post flamewar thread. That really took some doing. Congrats!
 
2012-06-27 02:55:23 AM
What's with the bandwagon hate for this movie?
 
2012-06-27 03:10:22 AM

meat0918: Wait, people went to Prometheus believing it was a "Thinking Person's movie"?

I went in for a fun popcorn sci-fi/horror flick, and got what I wanted.


I missed the whole "Ridley Scott prequel to Alien" part of the trailers, just thought it was a space show about ancient alien cities or something. But anyway MOST of the reason I went was from half reading comments on places like fark that said "wow" "going to be epic" and shiat like that.

And actually other than some art work that was vaguely Geigerish I missed the other clues that it was going to be ALIENS in the end....like the face hugger like shape of the snake monsters etc......

So imagine my horror when this movie that stopped making sense a long time ago, but was still fun to watch and keeping me entertained....pops out a baby Ewok-looking Chest Burster at the end.

I was so friggin disappointed. It was like Scott hadnt had an original thought in thirty years.

But yeah, nothing in the movie made sense. so It was a lousy prequel. I doubt the extended cut will be any better unless they dump everything about zombie biologists and have a three hour lecture on how the bio-weapon can apparently randomly kill you in ten different ways.
 
2012-06-27 03:14:45 AM

Jambalaya James: What's with the bandwagon hate for this movie?


Um, it sucked?

Well sucked is a bit harsh. But I was a huge fan of the first two movies. HUGE fan. And I was bitterly disappointed when old Chesty made an appearance at the end of Promo-theus. Just not a good prequel in any way. Didnt care about the characters one bit. Felt manipulated cynically by some of the scenes, Groaned in dismay at the geologist, etc....

Worse thing was I kept remembering all the good old sci fi books I had read that pretty much explained the reasoning behind......"do not follow the ancient star message" and realized we really are in a fuzzy aliens Carl Sagan Cosmos Jodi Foster mindset at the beginning of the movie. But I still would have brought nukes.

And not gone charging into the alien fortress in the first ten minutes on the planet.
 
2012-06-27 03:16:45 AM

vpb: Wow, this is better than a Zimmerman/Martin post for deep.
Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?


Adam Sandler and Tyler Perry still get funded.

Just answer me this.

Zombies? Where are Zombies in the entire rest of the franchise? Why are they in this movie?
 
2012-06-27 04:34:39 AM
One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.
 
2012-06-27 04:37:19 AM

Jocundry: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Seriously, use your farking brain and imagination some. Not only will you enjoy Prometheus more, you'll find a lot of things in life are suddenly more interesting and/or entertaining when you actually use your brain for more than the motor function required to shovel more snacks in your gaping gob.

Dude, my brain told me:

It was really weird for a biologist to be afraid of an alien corpse. (Aren't biologists curious about life? Particularly alien life)


Really?

REALLY?

First bad thought process: It was a dead alien corpse decapitated by a door that was closed in such a hurry by the people inside it decapitated one of their fellows. So whatever was in the hallway I'm now standing in was scary enough they said, "fark you, take your chances we ain't dying today" and now I'm standing on the BAD side of the farking door.

Second will be, "Wow that looks like some sort of organic armored encounter suit."

Third will be, "Huh 5 fingers that's odd that an alien life form would have 5 fingers like humans."

Fourth will be, "Oh look its body is hinged like a humans too."

Fifth will be, "Mmm this is an atmosphere I can breathe. That's triple plus ungood."

Sixth will be, "This is engineered atmosphere so its either designed to kill whatever scared the fark out of headless or its for headless to breath. So if we find a massive pile of another type of alien then we're good, the atmosphere change is a safety mechanism. But if all we find are more of the same type we see here then the suits were used as armor or NBC gear..."


Then I'd yell, "Hey guys. Whatever was so scary this dude was left to get his head cut off might be a very very small problem. 5 fingers, breathes oxygen, looks like its joints are hinged like ours. Who wants to place bets on how sick we end up getting in 7 days when our systems react to whatever microbes are in the air? And here's the REALLY bad news. We'll probably be quarantined for around a month here. And a month should be plenty of time for us to find whatever scared the shiat out of mr 8 feet of muscles in reinforced encounter gear. The really really bad news is if we find more of the same type of alien without any other corpses around that means whatever scared the fark out of em won and is still out there somewhere."

So yeah, as a biologist I'd seriously think about eating a bullet just to avoid that whole shiatting myself in terror, pain and suffering and what not later on.
 
2012-06-27 04:41:29 AM

jimw: One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.


You sound like you need to read more. Even I, who mainly reads shiatty military scifi outside of work related stuff, recognizes most of those as ideas originated in a wide range of scifi novels/short stories many decades before their use in cinema.
 
2012-06-27 05:32:37 AM

archichris:

Zombies? Where are Zombies in the entire rest of the franchise? Why are they in this movie?


When I first saw that scene in the movie I didn't think "oh hey look, a zombie," and it didn't cross my mind until I decided to brave a few forums. With reflection- yeah I guess it's a classic cinematic zombie, but what I learned from it was that the goo/pathogen/whatever is inherently evil, and one of the traits of the creature(s) that are the result of an organism coming into contact with the goo is that they are extremely aggressive and dangerous. The implication (to me) is that the goo is engineered to have this impact on an organism regardless, and goes with the WMD testing ground theory that is mentioned in the movie.

In answer to your question; the rest of the franchise centered around the xenomorph, Prometheus and its sequels look to be centering around the "Engineers."
 
2012-06-27 07:20:02 AM
The medical machine was programmed for "male" because it was a plot clue that there was an "important man" on the ship, and that the female people were irrelevant. The fact that medical machines should by then be able to work on male and female patients simply implies that Weyland didn't intend anyone else to use it.

Now to scroll back up 200 cmments and continue reading.
 
2012-06-27 07:55:38 AM
Of this film, I will say this - Elizabeth Shaw joins Dorothy Gail and Luke Skywalker in the pantheon of the most unreasonably mentally stable people ever put to film.

In a matter of two days, she

1) Stands on another planet
2) Proves her theory of The Engineers
3) Outruns a monster storm
4) Loses her fiancee/husband in the most incredibly gruesome way possible, before her eyes
5) Is impregnated with Squiddly Diddly
6) Cuts out Squiddly Diddly
7) Comes within a whisker of getting mashed by a giant spaceship
8) Is marooned without chance of rescue on a deserted planet
9) Has a giant naked dude try to kill her
10) Humps a busted android across a wasteland
11) And then goes to another spaceship - not to go home, but to go to summit on the land of giant naked dudes.

And she doesn't lose her shiat. At all. Honey Badger don't care.

Hell, I've had encounters with coffee machines that have left me more vexed than she was.
 
2012-06-27 08:06:35 AM

TyrantII: justtray:

Then please, like I said, break out the quotes. Don't just make stupid, incorrect assertions. BACK IT UP.

Like I said, you can't, because there are no such quotes that explain these situations.

Seeing as I don't have a transcript, my apologies for the paraphrasing:

Fifield doesn't have a map, but the data is sent to the captain/bridge. Shaw asks captain for direction as one point. Fifield never mentions having a map.

During the storm captain talks about electronic interference. They talk about the glitch pup, fifield doesn't like hanging around the pile of bodies and back on the bridge we see his camera going into and out of visual static and getting worse, as we hear on the bridge static in the comm link during the conversation. Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw to go *static* herself. Storm was obviously getting worse, and this all happens when no one knows of any life on the planet since dating put the bodies as long dead.

So whats the problem? We didn't have George Lucas like dialogue cause there's simply no reason for it. We don't need to be told they;re having communications issues, we're show it. We don't need to be told fifield doesn't have a map, we're shown it.


The problem is that what sort of expedition goes into a labyrinthine structure without a farking map?Seriously, I know no geological team today that goes into the field without one. If you are mapping a structure with drones, don't you think it would behoove the team to actually use the data while they were inside the farking structure? Why did geologists of the future get dumb all of the sudden?
 
2012-06-27 08:09:50 AM

mongbiohazard: vpb: Yes, that's why Ridley Scott is flipping burger's while you a multimillionare. Because he's so stupid and you are such a genius.


That right there is probably the single dumbest thing anyone has said in this entire 430+ post flamewar thread. That really took some doing. Congrats!


Agreed. That dude is REALLY butthurt that people critique a movie he liked with things he wasn't smart enough to realize.

It's ok kid, one day when you grow up, you might realize what a quality movie looks like. And you might realize that the director isn't the only one involved in the production.
 
2012-06-27 08:14:33 AM

vpb: All I can say to this tidal wave of derp is look at Blade Runner, which bombed with critics, but turned into a major success.

If you look at the people who hateted the movie, you get people who simply didn't comprehend it.


Hahahaha, just when I thought this guy couldn't say anything stupider, he breaks out a "hateted."

Yeah man, everyone else just couldn't comprehend it. It's just you who is the genius for filling in plot holes with fantasy in your head not included in the movie. Your third grade reading and spelling level is superior to everyone else. You are in no way butthurt and offended that you like a movie that on it's face, didn't make much, if any, sense.
 
2012-06-27 08:41:41 AM
Prometheus hurt my feelings...
 
2012-06-27 08:59:31 AM

justtray: Anyway I think we're done here. You've proven yourself to be a child who does not understand basic movie critique, who cannot reconcile the fact that he liked a movie with the fact that it was bad writing, who cannot even identify bad writing even when told explicitly. There is literally no reason to continue conversation with a blatant white knighting nerd rager. You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold leaps in logic not supported by the film. Bravo


You sound as if you are already trying to defend a movie that does not exist. You said you liked Prometheus. Why? I think that you are saying you liked it to cover for some kind of major plot hole in your thought process while attempting to dampen your hatred for people who don't see things the way you do.

You are pretending that every intellectually critical movie genius is already watching the incredible movies you are failing to compare this one to. -Suggesting that a movie exists in reality that do not have issues with the way they're written. Your candidness suggests that you are personally aware or have already written a flawless script, storyline, and have produced/directed the most perfect film imaginable.

Do you like poems?

You should stay away from science fiction.
 
2012-06-27 09:43:24 AM

fisker: justtray: Anyway I think we're done here. You've proven yourself to be a child who does not understand basic movie critique, who cannot reconcile the fact that he liked a movie with the fact that it was bad writing, who cannot even identify bad writing even when told explicitly. There is literally no reason to continue conversation with a blatant white knighting nerd rager. You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold leaps in logic not supported by the film. Bravo

You sound as if you are already trying to defend a movie that does not exist. You said you liked Prometheus. Why? I think that you are saying you liked it to cover for some kind of major plot hole in your thought process while attempting to dampen your hatred for people who don't see things the way you do.

You are pretending that every intellectually critical movie genius is already watching the incredible movies you are failing to compare this one to. -Suggesting that a movie exists in reality that do not have issues with the way they're written. Your candidness suggests that you are personally aware or have already written a flawless script, storyline, and have produced/directed the most perfect film imaginable.

Do you like poems?

You should stay away from science fiction.


Cool story, bro. I liked it because it was visually appealing, and I like science fiction. Given that, it was horribly written, and the more you think about it in retrospect, the more that becomes apparent.

The fact of the matter is, very few people in America have any idea how to critque a film. No one is being unfair about the criticisms. There are a LOT of them. Nearly every single scene. That's why this movie gets so much more flak than others, that contain only minor plot contrivances. (I think thats the right word)

The concept that you're implying, which has been implied multiple times in this thread, is that if something is science fiction, it doesn't have to make sense. This is a false belief. Take Inception for example. You can suspend disbelief in that movie and still have it make sense because they use a few lines of dialogue here and there to explain how the dreamworld works within the canon of the movie. They explain the sedation and dream sharing, albeit not in detail. Contrasting that to Prometheus, you get no dialogue to explain anything, even when just a few words would suffice. That is bad, lazy writing. I am not attempting to make any judgement on liking or disliking the movie. Simply pointing out that it was not well written, and that offends a lot of stupid people who were incapable of that realization.
 
2012-06-27 10:02:25 AM
Make criticism about movie, get replies that are either insults are saying that 'you just don't get it', repeat through thread.

More entertaining than the movie at least.
 
2012-06-27 10:20:48 AM
Lumbar Puncture: Make criticism about movie, get replies that are either insults are saying that 'you just don't get it', repeat through thread.

More entertaining than the movie at least.


Yup, Prometheus spawning a 500 comment thread on FARK, 3 weeks after release? Well, they did something right.

The unhinged nerd rage just makes people curious. So more going to the movie, which is good IMO. I was surprised it pulled 1.3 million yesterday, would have though it would have been below 1 by now.
 
2012-06-27 10:21:33 AM

justtray: Contrasting that to Prometheus, you get no dialogue to explain anything, but you do get many visual cues tht explain a lot if you're paying attention even when just a few words would suffice. That is bad, lazy writing an example of how movies can use the visual aspect of the medium to augment the dialog, offering "explanations" for things through purely visual means. It does require some mental effort from the audience, but it can make for a more rich movie experience. I like to call it "lazy, bad writing" because my English Lit professor in college said my writing was "condecending" and contained "too much exposition", but he was just a pompus jerk and wouldn't know good writing if it bit him on the ass.


FTFY

If anything in this movie didn't make sense to you, then you weren't paying attention. You should probably stick with Michael Bay films where every detail of the "plot" is explained at least once by one of the characters.
 
2012-06-27 10:55:21 AM
Seen it twice.....will buy the blue ray and any book of the artwork. Loved it

I may be dumb as a big bag of dumb, but I know what I like.
 
2012-06-27 11:12:37 AM
Anyone mention that we might be a helluva successful bioweapon manufactured by them?

Now that weapon, a single spore or cell so to speak in the form of Shaw is headed to the possible homeworld of the Engineers.......


/such a long thread
 
2012-06-27 12:10:22 PM

justtray: fisker: justtray: Anyway I think we're done here. You've proven yourself to be a child who does not understand basic movie critique, who cannot reconcile the fact that he liked a movie with the fact that it was bad writing, who cannot even identify bad writing even when told explicitly. There is literally no reason to continue conversation with a blatant white knighting nerd rager. You'll have to take solace knowing you're superior to everyone and that only you were smart enough to make bold leaps in logic not supported by the film. Bravo

You sound as if you are already trying to defend a movie that does not exist. You said you liked Prometheus. Why? I think that you are saying you liked it to cover for some kind of major plot hole in your thought process while attempting to dampen your hatred for people who don't see things the way you do.

You are pretending that every intellectually critical movie genius is already watching the incredible movies you are failing to compare this one to. -Suggesting that a movie exists in reality that do not have issues with the way they're written. Your candidness suggests that you are personally aware or have already written a flawless script, storyline, and have produced/directed the most perfect film imaginable.

Do you like poems?

You should stay away from science fiction.

Cool story, bro. I liked it because it was visually appealing, and I like science fiction. Given that, it was horribly written, and the more you think about it in retrospect, the more that becomes apparent.

The fact of the matter is, very few people in America have any idea how to critque a film. No one is being unfair about the criticisms. There are a LOT of them. Nearly every single scene. That's why this movie gets so much more flak than others, that contain only minor plot contrivances. (I think thats the right word)

The concept that you're implying, which has been implied multiple times in this thread, is that if something is science fiction, it doe ...


Gee, while I thought Prometheus had a number of problems, I didn't think it was written horribly. Badly in parts, yes. Piranha 2010, now that's a poorly written movie.
 
2012-06-27 12:11:11 PM

TyrantII: Yup, Prometheus spawning a 500 comment thread on FARK, 3 weeks after release? Well, they did something right.


It'll be interesting to see what the numbers of the sequel will be, anyone who doesn't think there will be a sequel are kidding themselves, and if angry people will actually not bother to see the sequel or if they will despite their anger at the first.
 
2012-06-27 12:15:44 PM
Prometheus was GREAT!!!

/can wait for the DVD
 
2012-06-27 01:09:37 PM

Lumbar Puncture: TyrantII: Yup, Prometheus spawning a 500 comment thread on FARK, 3 weeks after release? Well, they did something right.

It'll be interesting to see what the numbers of the sequel will be, anyone who doesn't think there will be a sequel are kidding themselves, and if angry people will actually not bother to see the sequel or if they will despite their anger at the first.


the sequals are going to have an effect on my opinion of this movie.

If they flesh out the technology and answer some fo the questions, great, if they pull a lost and just start making more questions, fark them. I woudl rather tehy leave it unanswered.
 
2012-06-27 01:19:21 PM
I usually don't care about plot holes, but this movie seemed particularly lazy about them, as well as dumb things. Why did Noomi rappel out of the ship with severed David, with her injuries, when she walked into it? Just pointless.
 
2012-06-27 01:25:56 PM

liam76: Lumbar Puncture: TyrantII: Yup, Prometheus spawning a 500 comment thread on FARK, 3 weeks after release? Well, they did something right.

It'll be interesting to see what the numbers of the sequel will be, anyone who doesn't think there will be a sequel are kidding themselves, and if angry people will actually not bother to see the sequel or if they will despite their anger at the first.

the sequals are going to have an effect on my opinion of this movie.

If they flesh out the technology and answer some fo the questions, great, if they pull a lost and just start making more questions, fark them. I woudl rather tehy leave it unanswered.


The directors cut of this is going to have the biggest effect on my opinion of the movie. I'm reasonably sure there's scenes that were filled that address the majority of complaints with the flick.
 
2012-06-27 01:30:25 PM

Lumbar Puncture: It'll be interesting to see what the numbers of the sequel will be, anyone who doesn't think there will be a sequel are kidding themselves, and if angry people will actually not bother to see the sequel or if they will despite their anger at the first.


Who's angry? I had a good time at the movie, but it was stupid. Not as dumb as Transformers 2 or Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, but far sillier than Avatar. Not a particularly good movie. The people hurling insults and childish arguments (i.e. appearing to be angry) seemed to think the movie was actually really good. To me, as a setup for the whole Alien universe, it was... OK. As a stand-alone piece, it's worse.

If there's a sequel, I'll probably catch it on DVD (or what have you). If Lindelof writes the screenplay, I'll probably wait until it comes on HBO.
 
2012-06-27 01:35:13 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Make criticism about movie, get replies that are either insults are saying that 'you just don't get it', repeat through thread.

More entertaining than the movie at least.


i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-27 03:21:55 PM

Funbags: YoTengoId: apparently the effects are completely controllable and predictable, seeing how they seeded life on earth which ended up producing a species that is 100% identical to the engineers. that's either an astronomically unlikely happy accident or they did it on purpose, either way it's shiatty writing.

Actually, if the goo was controllable and predictable, the Engineers wouldn't have lost containment on LV-223. But you already know this.

Not fully understanding how the goo works /= the goo does only what the Engineers want and nothing ever goes wrong. In fact, it adds more credence to the fallibility of the Engineers, who, ironically, form the foundation of Earth's worship of infallible beings.

And true to form, we go on to create nuclear power plants that have meltdowns, create dams that are tragically insufficient, create forms of government that leave millions starving and impoverished. And all the while, we have the gift of fire...


dammit funbags!

just because we have nuclear meltdowns doesn't mean we don't know how nuclear physics work. or dams. or how starvations works. these things happen because people are incompetent assholes. since the engineers are 100% grade-A people...

Lumbar Puncture: Make criticism about movie, get replies that are either insults are saying that 'you just don't get it', repeat through thread.

More entertaining than the movie at least.


THIS IS AS HELL
 
2012-06-27 03:23:52 PM

vpb: Wow, this is better than a Zimmerman/Martin post for deep.
Anyway, if Scott was such a Moron I suspect he might not be able to get millions in funding to make these films. $120 million according to Wikipeda. But what do I know?


MONEY=SMART got it

sure ridley scott's probably a smart guy but that's some loser logic right there
 
2012-06-27 03:30:29 PM

Ashelth: jimw: One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.

You sound like you need to read more. Even I, who mainly reads shiatty military scifi outside of work related stuff, recognizes most of those as ideas originated in a wide range of scifi novels/short stories many decades before their use in cinema.


yeah but it just goes to show the law of diminished returns here. we're dealing with a 4th or 5th generation rip-off by that douche that wrote lost.

stealing ideas is ok if you have the wit to do something great with them, being a hack who has no clue what to do with these ideas is just sad.
 
2012-06-27 03:34:32 PM

YoTengoId: Ashelth: jimw: One thing about this move is that it did equal opportunity plagiarism from quit a few other movies:
-Messages from aliens - Star Trek, Contact, Smallville
-Planetary projections - Star Trek, This Island Earth
- David - 2001 - Star Trek (Data)
- The Captain - Star Wars
- Mappers - Starship Andromeda, Star Trek (probes)
- Holographic Map - Avatar
- Computer Screens - Avatar
- Landing of the Ship - Avatar
- Cryostatis - Avatar, 2001
- Rich old man - Contact
- Musical Buttons - Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
- Underground Ship - Witch Mountain, This Island Earth
- Bugs in people - Star Trek, X-Files

I could go on but whats the point. You get the idea.

You sound like you need to read more. Even I, who mainly reads shiatty military scifi outside of work related stuff, recognizes most of those as ideas originated in a wide range of scifi novels/short stories many decades before their use in cinema.

yeah but it just goes to show the law of diminished returns here. we're dealing with a 4th or 5th generation rip-off by that douche that wrote lost.

stealing ideas is ok if you have the wit to do something great with them, being a hack who has no clue what to do with these ideas is just sad.


At this point it's pretty clear that as far as stolen cinematic ideas goes, most everything that attempts to make you think was stolen from Rod Serling
 
2012-06-27 05:02:10 PM

theorellior: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

The retcon for "Alien" is that the chest-burster was eating food from the ship's stores when it couldn't get humans. Think acid-blooded space-rat.


There's a scene in the novelisation by Alan Dean Foster where they discover the chestburster has been gorging itself on their food supplies.
 
2012-06-27 05:04:20 PM

YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Again, how do you know it eats? Or what it eats? All we know is it needs flesh to procreate. We've never seen an alien "eat".

They have Acid blood and carbon metallic exo-skeletons, for all we know they digest ore and drink CO2. We simply no nothing of their metabolism from anything in any one of the movies. JR. could have easily ate a hole in the floor and consumed some titanium. You're making an uneducated assumption, which makes it dubious at best. If anything it's odd that we've never seen one eating humans. Only killed them and used them as dead and live nests.


i agree that it is weird we never see them eating. it's reasonable to assume that they consumed something that made them grow in the first 3 films, it's not explicitly stated or anything, but it doesn't stretch the limits of the imagination that they ate something. of course they could be eating titanium or whatever, but they could be demons from hell or have little men living inside them pumping them up with balloons until they get bigger or the hand of god could've stretched them out when they were off-screen o ...


There's a scene in Alien 3 where the creature is seen apparently eating one of the convicts, or at least ripping him up with its teeth.
 
2012-06-27 05:22:00 PM

bhcompy: Rod Serling


or wells or asimov or clarke or heinlein or dick or bradbury or etc etc etc rod serling didn't create sci fi mixed with existential dread either

Suede head: YoTengoId: TyrantII: YoTengoId: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: TyrantII: fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.

How do we know it didn't consume anything?

Why didn't the crew to Prometheus die? After all, i never saw them have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!

The crew also didn't increase their mass 50x in the space of a day.

So you hated ALIEN, ALIENS, A3?

R get's a pass since they were already grown.

the first alien had the full run of the nostromo, eating their supplies.

the aliens in aliens had the full run of the colony, eating their supplies.

the alien in A3 had the full run of the prison, eating their supplies.

the giant facehugger was trapped in a room with no food for a matter of hours and increased in mass by at least 50x.

one of these is not like the others.

Again, how do you know it eats? Or what it eats? All we know is it needs flesh to procreate. We've never seen an alien "eat".

They have Acid blood and carbon metallic exo-skeletons, for all we know they digest ore and drink CO2. We simply no nothing of their metabolism from anything in any one of the movies. JR. could have easily ate a hole in the floor and consumed some titanium. You're making an uneducated assumption, which makes it dubious at best. If anything it's odd that we've never seen one eating humans. Only killed them and used them as dead and live nests.


i agree that it is weird we never see them eating. it's reasonable to assume that they consumed something that made them grow in the first 3 films, it's not explicitly stated or anything, but it doesn't stretch the limits of the imagination that they ate something. of course they could be eating titanium or whatever, but they could be demons from hell or have little men living inside them pumping them up with balloons until they get bigger or the hand of god could've stretched them out when they were o ...


BOOM vindicated
 
2012-06-27 05:23:36 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The people hurling insults and childish arguments (i.e. appearing to be angry) seemed to think the movie was actually really good.


Yeah, but the people continuing to try and carry out a conversation with those folks are either motivated by anger, or have the patience of a saint. I can't think of a reason to run into a brick wall over and over again otherwise.

Personally, I like to imagine the crew responded to a craigslist ad that read: WORK FROM SPACE - NO EXPERIENCE NEEDED! and that the rest of the money was spent on hookers and blow.
 
2012-06-27 05:43:07 PM

TyrantII: I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?

Which is why stasis in the new movie is perplexing. Unless it's just standard to plan missions for relativistic travel needs, so they still need to limit up time to conserve supplies?


Another question: do they have FTL communications in the Aliens universe? I seem to recall in Prometheus they mention trying to contact Earth and failing.
 
2012-06-27 05:49:11 PM

fozziewazzi: Has anyone ever explained how the first 'Alien' and the newborn one in Prometheus grew so massive so quickly without apparently consuming anything.


It ate the afterbirth.
 
2012-06-27 06:26:52 PM

theorellior: telephone: Remember that scene in "Alien" when Harry Dean Stanton spent five minutes looking for a cat by himself, even though there was a killer alien on the loose?

The funny thing is, that's just about the only scene in "Alien" where I roll my eyes at the decisions made. They're in a spaceship carrying ore, and it's raining? Sure, it's great for atmosphere, but it just makes no sense.

I'm sure someone will give me a reason for it, though.


Condensation and ice-melt from the vast landing leg which has been in sub-zero arctic conditions and is now in warm, humid conditions.
 
2012-06-27 06:45:24 PM
YoTengoId: BOOM vindicated

Nah, Book ain't canon.

fusillade762: TyrantII: I assumed their clocks were measuring earth time. It brings up a curious question though about the kind of people that would volunteer for interstellar missions. Time dilation resulting from FTL speed combined with being in stasis much of the time means by the time you get back to earth everyone you knew would be long dead. Who volunteers for this?

Perhaps I've missed something from the world of physics but wouldn't FTL be pretty explicitly post-relativistic (that is, relativity as currently understood forbids FTL travel); as such why would time dilation (a consequence of relativity) still apply? If we're getting around one aspect of relativity is it really much of a stretch to get beyond a second one as well?

Which is why stasis in the new movie is perplexing. Unless it's just standard to plan missions for relativistic travel needs, so they still need to limit up time to conserve supplies?

Another question: do they have FTL communications in the Aliens universe? I seem to recall in Prometheus they mention trying to contact Earth and failing.


Yeah, think I remember hearing that too. Were they talking about signals to the moon like they were doing later, thou?