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(Washington Post)   HBO gives George Bush's severed head a facelift on Game of Thrones, the terrorists have won   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 181
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2012-06-26 11:26:39 AM  
Was this really that big of a deal?
 
2012-06-26 11:27:29 AM  
Successful publicity stunt is successful.
 
2012-06-26 11:32:57 AM  
i149.photobucket.com
I don't know how I avoided getting my severed head on a stick!
I dun f**ked up everything I touched in that White House.
Hell, I even forgot to shake the toilet-flush handle and flooded the secret Mason document room in the basement - and now I dun revealed that there's a secret Mason document room in the basement!
HAW Haw haw...
 
2012-06-26 11:43:03 AM  
Again?
 
2012-06-26 12:04:44 PM  
If I was in charge of filming Game of Thrones, I would do exactly the same thing in the upcoming season, except that instead of using Bush's head I'd use Obama's. And I make sure it was subtle enough that nobody noticed it until the season was over and some low-level key grip or other junior executive "accidentally" let slip in a Tweet or something like that a line about being glad nobody caught it. Then I'd sit back and watch whether the same people outraged this time were still outraged, and whether the same people who are saying it's no big deal this time would still be saying it's no big deal.

I'm not saying they would be, mind you. I just think it would be interesting to see.
 
2012-06-26 12:04:52 PM  
Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.
 
2012-06-26 12:13:55 PM  
Why does Game of Thrones refuse to use the severed heads of Presidents that right-wing bloggers want them to use?
 
2012-06-26 12:23:13 PM  
I wish my severed head was on Game of Thrones, especially after The Walking Dead refused to use that toe I sent them.
 
2012-06-26 12:23:18 PM  

Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?


The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.
 
2012-06-26 12:39:40 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Why does Game of Thrones refuse to use the severed heads of Presidents that right-wing bloggers want them to use?


More than anything, I want to know why they just happened to have a GWB mask or head or whatever lying around to begin with.

Not that I think it's disrespectful, it's just that it seems like such a random thing to tote around on set.
 
2012-06-26 12:42:55 PM  
As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?
 
2012-06-26 12:46:53 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.


All make-up and spare body parts for any TV show or movie made in America should include affirmative action body parts.

I demand a Mexican body part be included in the show in order to who our true demographics.
 
2012-06-26 12:51:24 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"
 
2012-06-26 12:55:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"


The Summer Islanders, mainly.

A few get mentioned in the books.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:46 PM  
They can use mine if they want,
 
2012-06-26 12:58:17 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"


The dude who plays the pirate is black......just saying.
 
2012-06-26 12:59:23 PM  

Shostie: The Summer Islanders, mainly.


IF OBAMA WAS FROM THE SUMMER ISLANDS, WHY DID HIS GRAMMA SAY HE WAS FROM ASTAPOR?
 
2012-06-26 12:59:25 PM  
They may be scrubbing the DVD & Bluray releases, but the image will live forever in the Torrents.
 
2012-06-26 12:59:27 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"


And then we would laugh at you.
 
2012-06-26 01:00:24 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.


Poe's Law?
 
2012-06-26 01:01:34 PM  

regindyn: AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.

Poe's Law?


You pretty much qualify with most statements that start with "Sean Hannity announced"
 
2012-06-26 01:03:05 PM  

Aarontology: IF OBAMA WAS FROM THE SUMMER ISLANDS, WHY DID HIS GRAMMA SAY HE WAS FROM ASTAPOR?


Win.
 
2012-06-26 01:03:30 PM  

Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.


*With* me. Laugh *with* me.

/NERDS!
 
2012-06-26 01:05:05 PM  
Game of Thrones has done an impressive job of remaining in the headlines weeks after its finale. I wouldn't care for the political statement, but it isn't like Bush is politically relevent (except for democrats looking for a scapegoat) anyway. It's like Doctor Who, a click generator in season or not
 
2012-06-26 01:05:11 PM  

GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.


If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.
 
2012-06-26 01:05:52 PM  
I just watched this episode last night, so I got to see the unaltered head.

I dig a show where my favorite characters are a nine year old girl and a midget.
 
2012-06-26 01:07:06 PM  

Aarontology: Shostie: The Summer Islanders, mainly.

IF OBAMA WAS FROM THE SUMMER ISLANDS, WHY DID HIS GRAMMA SAY HE WAS FROM ASTAPOR?


I WANT TO SEE THE REAL, LONG-FORM BIRTH HERALDRY, BUT THE MAESTERS ARE KEEPING IT LOCKED UP THE CITADEL.
 
2012-06-26 01:07:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: If I was in charge of filming Game of Thrones, I would do exactly the same thing in the upcoming season, except that instead of using Bush's head I'd use Obama's. And I make sure it was subtle enough that nobody noticed it until the season was over and some low-level key grip or other junior executive "accidentally" let slip in a Tweet or something like that a line about being glad nobody caught it. Then I'd sit back and watch whether the same people outraged this time were still outraged, and whether the same people who are saying it's no big deal this time would still be saying it's no big deal.

I'm not saying they would be, mind you. I just think it would be interesting to see.


I have a feeling that Zombie Breitbart would have zero problem with it.

Same feeling tells me that Al Sharpton would cry racism and it would be an even bigger scandal for HBO that it was with Dubya.

/don't give a shiat either way
 
2012-06-26 01:09:37 PM  

ManOfTeal: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

The dude who plays the pirate is black......just saying.


Also the rich guy that is in the "middle east" that was flirting with the Dragon chick.

/watched it, liked it, didn't learn any names
 
2012-06-26 01:10:46 PM  
I think the important question is, Why do they have a severed head of Bush in the first place? Was there an episode of Alternate Reality Idol that I missed?
 
2012-06-26 01:11:50 PM  
So, the ones that already shipped are now Collector's Editions?
 
2012-06-26 01:13:06 PM  
Sorry, I didn't notice Shostie up there. Pay me no mind.
 
2012-06-26 01:13:17 PM  
My shameless repost:

You hear that?
That's the mating call of the liberals.
They want to fark us.
Well I haven't had a good fark in weeks.
I'm ready for one.
They say every Real American is worth a dozen Fartbamas.
You think they right?
We die today brothers.
We die bleeding from a hundred wounds.
With arrows in our necks.
And spears in our guts.
But our war-cries will echo through eternity.
They will sing about the battle of Washington until the Reagan Islands have slipped beneath the waves.
Every man, woman, and child will know who we were and how long we stood.
Palin and Beck. Trump and Santorum. Romney and Gingrich.
Realborn Americans will cry out our names as they leap onto the shores at New York and Los Angeles.
Mothers will name their sons for us.
Girls will think of us with their lovers inside them.
And whoever kills that farking hornblower will stand in bronze above the shores of 'Bama!
What is herp may never derp!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-26 01:13:21 PM  
Sybarite: "I wish my severed head was on Game of Thrones, especially after The Walking Dead refused to use that toe I sent them."

Yeah well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

\would like to see Bunny on The Walking Dead, with or without that toe.
\\at least it's an ethos?
 
2012-06-26 01:13:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.

*With* me. Laugh *with* me.

/NERDS!


Actually, probably just an exhausted sigh, no laughter at all. The whole "black people, in MY game of thrones??" thing has caused some category 5 derpicaines in certain communities and it gets tiresome.
 
2012-06-26 01:17:41 PM  

diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.


No, we really wouldn't. Except perhaps in the case of Obama, but only because there's only one black guy in King's Landing, and he's not sticking his neck out for anyone.

Did you see the episode? Do you honestly think the head in question would be recognizable if not for the directors commentary mentioning "it sort of looked like Bush?"

Fox News manufactures outrage. Don't deny it.
 
2012-06-26 01:17:44 PM  
IMO what George W Bush did with George W Bush's head was far more offensive than what HBO did with it...
 
2012-06-26 01:19:07 PM  

crozzo: I think the important question is, Why do they have a severed head of Bush in the first place?


Face masks of presidents are a dime a dozen, so it was probably a very fast & cheap starting point. The alternative was to have the props crew spend visualizing and designing a custom head -- a rather monumental waste of resources for the amount of screen time the damn thing would get. I don't think it was anything more than a cut corner that happened to be a in-joke among the props crew.

Frankly, if they used my head to make a fake severed head, I'd think it was funny. I know the right wing has uber-thin skin and no sense of humor, but it's kind of creepy how they constantly want everyone apologizing to them.
 
2012-06-26 01:21:49 PM  

StubhyGraham: My shameless repost:

What is herp may never derp!


It was funny then, it's funny now.

My own shameless repost:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-26 01:21:56 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.


Thanks, America. Your political media's discoursing powers make me long for the wisdom of Paris farking Hilton.

Seriously, at least when a chimp flings poo at the zoo, it's good for a laugh.
 
2012-06-26 01:22:05 PM  

crozzo: I think the important question is, Why do they have a severed head of Bush in the first place? Was there an episode of Alternate Reality Idol that I missed?


It was a prop head that they rented and realized it looked like Dubya. On the audio commentary they laughed about it, talking about how the head was like a running joke on the set. After people started complaining, they then started saying that they only realized after the fact that the head kinda looked like Dubya and they were wrong to joke about it.
 
2012-06-26 01:24:16 PM  

ole prophet: Also the rich guy that is in the "middle east" that was flirting with the Dragon chick


That guy is white in the books, but I liked the TV version of him better.
 
2012-06-26 01:31:44 PM  
The Italian Farker: "As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?"

If it was Clinton, no one would give a shiat. Case closed. The right caricaturized him as a drunken redneck while he was in office and no-one really cared.
But with Obama, there are a few more differences between he and GWB than political orientation. And those are why people would find using his head a bit more objectionable than Clinton's or Bush's.

Yes, that's a double standard. No, that's not a problem.
 
2012-06-26 01:32:30 PM  
So the half second shot with a face so obscured by its angle and the hair covering it that no one recognized as being Bush's until three months after the release of a commentary track that specifically points out that fact has been digitally altered. Wow.

/Bush would never defend the vile Starks in their attempt to betray the rightful King Joffrey.
 
2012-06-26 01:34:02 PM  
I wish to purchase the collectors edition of Game of Thrones Season 1 now with the original head...

/I plan to pay the iron price
 
2012-06-26 01:34:15 PM  
Douche's inferiority complex is provoked by a TV show that wasn't even trying.
 
2012-06-26 01:34:29 PM  
It wasn't even an intentional Bush likeness in the first place. Quick! Remove everything from the Internet that Google thinks looks similar to Bush. Who is not president anymore, by the way.
 
2012-06-26 01:37:28 PM  
What? No comments about Obummer? Isn't that what the right likes to call him these days? I'm disappoint.
 
2012-06-26 01:38:01 PM  

diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.



Actually, no. The only people who would complain about it no matter who it was are - by definition - farking morons.

/voted for Bush twice
 
2012-06-26 01:38:46 PM  

salvador.hardin: So the half second shot with a face so obscured by its angle and the hair covering it that no one recognized as being Bush's until three months after the release of a commentary track that specifically points out that fact has been digitally altered. Wow.


This.

How much could they even alter? You can barely see any of the face anyways.

Any before/after pics?
 
2012-06-26 01:38:52 PM  

GQueue: ole prophet: Also the rich guy that is in the "middle east" that was flirting with the Dragon chick

That guy is white in the books, but I liked the TV version of him better.


Was he necessarily white? I imagined the people of Qarth being less white and more of a tan variety. The guy was gay though.
 
2012-06-26 01:39:50 PM  

ErinPac: salvador.hardin: So the half second shot with a face so obscured by its angle and the hair covering it that no one recognized as being Bush's until three months after the release of a commentary track that specifically points out that fact has been digitally altered. Wow.


This.

How much could they even alter? You can barely see any of the face anyways.

Any before/after pics?


TFA
 
2012-06-26 01:40:14 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


Sure, I can understand, since conservatives, whether they be on White House grounds, participating in a state of the union speech at the Capital, in church, in the media, or just in public, have always shown the utmost respect to the office of the president.

i90.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-26 01:41:19 PM  
I wonder if Hannity is equally offended by Point Break using Nixon masks.
 
2012-06-26 01:41:34 PM  

oldfarthenry: [i149.photobucket.com image 450x381]
I don't know how I avoided getting my severed head on a stick!
I dun f**ked up everything I touched in that White House.
Hell, I even forgot to shake the toilet-flush handle and flooded the secret Mason document room in the basement - and now I dun revealed that there's a secret Mason document room in the basement!
HAW Haw haw...


Troll.
 
2012-06-26 01:42:30 PM  
I don't get the bush hate, but seriously...who cares.

If someone wants to be a tool on the show, let 'em.
I like the show, I loved the books.
I'll somehow find a way to keep watching.
 
2012-06-26 01:42:37 PM  

mongbiohazard: diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.


Actually, no. The only people who would complain about it no matter who it was are - by definition - farking morons.

/voted for Bush twice


Correction:
/failed twice
 
2012-06-26 01:42:54 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.


Lying troll.
 
2012-06-26 01:43:46 PM  
Apparently the face of Michael Myers in the Halloween movies was a Shatner mask. So, you know.
 
2012-06-26 01:44:15 PM  

Tapakip: What? No comments about Obummer? Isn't that what the right likes to call him these days? I'm disappoint.


I've only ever seen Obummer used by leftists.
 
2012-06-26 01:47:06 PM  

Rent Party: I just watched this episode last night, so I got to see the unaltered head.

I dig a show where my favorite characters are a nine year old girl and a midget.


Heh. Those are the only ones i really like. Maybe Catelyn. Just started watching last week. Up to mid-second season.
 
2012-06-26 01:48:06 PM  

KellyX: I wish to purchase the collectors edition of Game of Thrones Season 1 now with the original head...

/I plan to pay the iron price



It's already in my collection on y media server with the original head. And it's going to stay that way.

Along with the original versions of Star Wars #4,5 and 6 (Han shot ONLY - Greedo never actually got a shot off at all), ET with guns instead of walkie talkies and my theatrical cut of Blade Runner. Also the Black Eyed Peas' "Let's get Retarded" and Cee-lo's "Fark you".

I farking hate hate HATE revising art just because some limp-dicked, waterheaded, fart-sniffing ninny has some worthless "I'm offended" complaint ooze forth from their fetid wordhole. Fark those people.
 
2012-06-26 01:48:21 PM  

Pocket Ninja: If I was in charge of filming Game of Thrones, I would do exactly the same thing in the upcoming season, except that instead of using Bush's head I'd use Obama's. And I make sure it was subtle enough that nobody noticed it until the season was over and some low-level key grip or other junior executive "accidentally" let slip in a Tweet or something like that a line about being glad nobody caught it. Then I'd sit back and watch whether the same people outraged this time were still outraged, and whether the same people who are saying it's no big deal this time would still be saying it's no big deal.

I'm not saying they would be, mind you. I just think it would be interesting to see.


That's racist.
 
2012-06-26 01:50:18 PM  

I_C_Weener: Rent Party: I just watched this episode last night, so I got to see the unaltered head.

I dig a show where my favorite characters are a nine year old girl and a midget.

Heh. Those are the only ones i really like. Maybe Catelyn. Just started watching last week. Up to mid-second season.


Hey, me too! Just at episode 4 of Season 2 right now. I haven't read the books so I'm also delightfully ignorant of what's about to happen.

I've heard Snape kills Dumbledore, though.
 
2012-06-26 01:50:19 PM  

ewitz: mongbiohazard: diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.


Actually, no. The only people who would complain about it no matter who it was are - by definition - farking morons.

/voted for Bush twice

Correction:
/failed twice


Certainly not. I successfully cast a vote twice. :)
 
2012-06-26 01:53:00 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


The same, of course... some people "outraged", and some who don't care; and you can guess who would be more vocal.

As a moderate/liberal, it wouldn't bother me at all if they had used Clinton's head... I'd just wonder why they had it around. If they used Obama's, it'd bother me a little, but that's just because he's the current sitting president.
 
2012-06-26 01:53:03 PM  

zorgon: Apparently the face of Michael Myers in the Halloween movies was a Shatner mask. So, you know.


I

CAN'T

BELIEVEIT!
 
2012-06-26 01:53:41 PM  

Rent Party: I_C_Weener: Rent Party: I just watched this episode last night, so I got to see the unaltered head.

I dig a show where my favorite characters are a nine year old girl and a midget.

Heh. Those are the only ones i really like. Maybe Catelyn. Just started watching last week. Up to mid-second season.

Hey, me too! Just at episode 4 of Season 2 right now. I haven't read the books so I'm also delightfully ignorant of what's about to happen.

I've heard Snape kills Dumbledore, though.


And Bran is really a sled.
 
2012-06-26 02:01:30 PM  

Rent Party: I just watched this episode last night, so I got to see the unaltered head.

I dig a show where my favorite characters are a nine year old girl and a midget.


Agreed and this controversy is so goddamn stupid.

Also, you forgot HODOR!
 
2012-06-26 02:05:45 PM  
At least it wasn't President Taft's head or all of fark would be angry.
 
2012-06-26 02:07:44 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: StubhyGraham: My shameless repost:

What is herp may never derp!

It was funny then, it's funny now.

My own shameless repost:

[i50.tinypic.com image 225x310]


That as well will never get old.
 
2012-06-26 02:08:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: ewitz: mongbiohazard: diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.


Actually, no. The only people who would complain about it no matter who it was are - by definition - farking morons.

/voted for Bush twice

Correction:
/failed twice

Certainly not. I successfully cast a vote twice. :)


Haha that was pretty good, unlike those two votes. But I still respect your choice. :)
 
2012-06-26 02:08:41 PM  
You can tell that this is a big deal by how there's a major plot point revolving around the fact that all severed, tarred heads look pretty much the same and you can just stick a couple random ones up there and claim they're whoever you want.

No wait, there's one in Dance with Dragons, too, there are two major plot points revolving around the fact that a tarred, severed head on a pike could be anybody.

So in conclusion, this is definitely a real thing and not something thrown out randomly by the producers to get more views. Yep, definitely in there from the start, for sure.
 
2012-06-26 02:08:58 PM  

hammettman: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

Sure, I can understand, since conservatives, whether they be on White House grounds, participating in a state of the union speech at the Capital, in church, in the media, or just in public, have always shown the utmost respect to the office of the president.

[i90.photobucket.com image 612x792]


seriously, after the 'Bush is Hitler' posts on DailyKos, the 'Bush is a monkey' posts on Fark, and the 'Bush is going to impose martial law and refuse to give up the Presidency' conspiracies (also posted on Fark), people think there's actually dignity associated with the Oval Office still?


/voted for Obama, and leaning Obama again
//just hate hypocrisy from either side
 
2012-06-26 02:10:46 PM  

mongbiohazard:
Along with the original versions of Star Wars #4,5 and 6 (Han shot ONLY - Greedo never actually got a shot off at all), ET with guns instead of walkie talkies and my theatrical cut of Blade Runner. Also the Black Eyed Peas' "Let's get Retarded" and Cee-lo's "Fark you".


Which theatrical cut of Blade Runner? There were two versions.
 
2012-06-26 02:11:07 PM  
I can't even imagine the outrage if it was Obama's head.
 
2012-06-26 02:11:23 PM  
Wow, there appear to be a lot of satire pics for this show.

http://loldamn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/funny-Tyrion-Peter-Game - of-Thrones-mastercard.jpg
 
2012-06-26 02:12:44 PM  

Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?


Come on, if it was obama up there everyone would be calling for their heads......
 
2012-06-26 02:15:23 PM  
In exchange, the next desert to be featured on the show will be called The Repository of Conservative Vaginas.
 
2012-06-26 02:15:50 PM  
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loldamn.com
 
2012-06-26 02:16:51 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-26 02:17:55 PM  

Shostie: More than anything, I want to know why they just happened to have a GWB mask or head or whatever lying around to begin with.


I thought they explained in the original piece that with all the killing going on the show they ran out of prop heads. The just rent a bunch of that stuff from some prop company and they ran out. Not surprising that there's a likeness of a former president in a pile of heads, I guess. They dressed it up with hair to conceal it, and no one noticed until they said so on the DVD commentary.
 
2012-06-26 02:18:53 PM  

Ned Stark: Tapakip: What? No comments about Obummer? Isn't that what the right likes to call him these days? I'm disappoint.

I've only ever seen Obummer used by leftists.


I just looked at the comments from the article on WaPo:

DanaPlato
6/25/2012 12:45 PM EDT
I'd love to see WaPo's reaction to Obummer's head on a stick. My guess is they, along with the rest of the lib media would be screaming R A C I S M.


He doesn't sound too lefty to me.
 
2012-06-26 02:20:53 PM  

ewitz: Haha that was pretty good, unlike those two votes. But I still respect your choice. :)



Fret not, I live in Maryland. It doesn't really matter who I vote for, this state is going blue. Solid, deep, big 'ol blue.

(still planning on voting for Obama in November)


Disposable Rob: Which theatrical cut of Blade Runner? There were two versions.



Ummm.... shiat, that's right. You know, off the top of my head I'm not really sure if it's the domestic or international version, but I know what I'm going to do when I go home tonight...... Make sure it's the international version.
 
2012-06-26 02:22:58 PM  
FTFA:

www.washingtonpost.com
On the left, a fake head that resembled President George W. Bush. On the right, a fake head that resembles no one famous. (HBO)

Wrong. The new one looks like Rachel Dratch. I'm not even kidding.
 
2012-06-26 02:24:19 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


One word, "OUTRAGE"!

/That is all.
 
2012-06-26 02:27:52 PM  
Its chock full of heady goodness?
 
2012-06-26 02:29:23 PM  
Bushs = Targareans
Clintons = Baratheons
 
2012-06-26 02:30:07 PM  
As much as I found these books horribly written and painful to read.

This is a rediculous reaction to a non-issue. Even if they had gotten a Madamme Toussaud's quality replica and labeled it GW Bush, I would still think this is a non-issue (and I liked the guy).

Producers and directors should be free to use artistic license as they wish to make political points as they desire. As long as they don't openly call for an attack or other crime, no problem.

GRR Martin, on the other hand, should be stopped at all costs from releasing yet another worthless instalment in this storyless, plotless, and mind-numbing crime against literature.
 
2012-06-26 02:30:42 PM  

Bob the Internet Barbarian: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

One word, "POUTRAGE"!

/That is all.



FTFY

And no, I really doubt it would have been a big deal. Well, I suppose both sides of the political spectrum has their massive flaming retards... the left side's massive retards don't seem to have as many popular radio and TV show pundits though.
 
2012-06-26 02:31:03 PM  

I_C_Weener: AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.

All make-up and spare body parts for any TV show or movie made in America should include affirmative action body parts.

I demand a Mexican body part be included in the show in order to who our true demographics.


No Justice, No Pieces.
 
2012-06-26 02:32:13 PM  
Hey! I have an idea. Everytime something offends someone, lets burn it. We should start with books. A lot of books offend people.
 
2012-06-26 02:32:14 PM  

Tricky Chicken: As much as I found these books horribly written and painful to read.

This is a rediculous reaction to a non-issue. Even if they had gotten a Madamme Toussaud's quality replica and labeled it GW Bush, I would still think this is a non-issue (and I liked the guy).

Producers and directors should be free to use artistic license as they wish to make political points as they desire. As long as they don't openly call for an attack or other crime, no problem.

GRR Martin, on the other hand, should be stopped at all costs from releasing yet another worthless instalment in this storyless, plotless, and mind-numbing crime against literature.


Come on. Say what you will about FFC and DWD, but Storm of Swords was epic.
 
2012-06-26 02:36:22 PM  

dragonchild: Face masks of presidents are a dime a dozen, so it was probably a very fast & cheap starting point. The alternative was to have the props crew spend visualizing and designing a custom head -- a rather monumental waste of resources for the amount of screen time the damn thing would get. I don't think it was anything more than a cut corner that happened to be a in-joke among the props crew.


Which brings up an interesting question - which show was the prop head originally created for?
 
2012-06-26 02:37:03 PM  
I'd like to thank the retarded right wingnuts for this latest hissy fit over sh*t that doesn't matter.
 
2012-06-26 02:39:49 PM  

Craptastic: FTFA:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 490x206]
On the left, a fake head that resembled President George W. Bush. On the right, a fake head that resembles no one famous. (HBO)

Wrong. The new one looks like Rachel Dratch. I'm not even kidding.


Andrea Dworkin. Trust me.
 
2012-06-26 02:40:42 PM  
I know they said it was not intentional. They just needed heads and they used what was laying around.

This generates the only question I want answered: Why the fark do they just have a GWB head just hanging around???


Answer this question!
 
2012-06-26 02:40:44 PM  

gingerjet: dragonchild: Face masks of presidents are a dime a dozen, so it was probably a very fast & cheap starting point. The alternative was to have the props crew spend visualizing and designing a custom head -- a rather monumental waste of resources for the amount of screen time the damn thing would get. I don't think it was anything more than a cut corner that happened to be a in-joke among the props crew.

Which brings up an interesting question - which show was the prop head originally created for?


That's My Bush?
The one where Brolin played W?
What other shows are there about Bush? On basic cable.
 
2012-06-26 02:42:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know they said it was not intentional. They just needed heads and they used what was laying around.

This generates the only question I want answered: Why the fark do they just have a GWB head just hanging around???


Answer this question!


He wasn't using it.
 
2012-06-26 02:44:00 PM  

I_C_Weener: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know they said it was not intentional. They just needed heads and they used what was laying around.

This generates the only question I want answered: Why the fark do they just have a GWB head just hanging around???


Answer this question!

He wasn't using it.


They got it from Eddie Vedder maybe. It ain't like there's a dearth of GWB masks.
 
2012-06-26 02:47:08 PM  
oi, I guess that is why the price suddenly shot up on the DVDs and they quickly went out of stock. I thought it odd at the time.
 
2012-06-26 02:52:41 PM  

tooeasy: hammettman: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

Sure, I can understand, since conservatives, whether they be on White House grounds, participating in a state of the union speech at the Capital, in church, in the media, or just in public, have always shown the utmost respect to the office of the president.

[i90.photobucket.com image 612x792]

seriously, after the 'Bush is Hitler' posts on DailyKos, the 'Bush is a monkey' posts on Fark, and the 'Bush is going to impose martial law and refuse to give up the Presidency' conspiracies (also posted on Fark), people think there's actually dignity associated with the Oval Office still?


/voted for Obama, and leaning Obama again
//just hate hypocrisy from either side


There will always be political satire and commentary. Are you really going to equate Fark Bush is chimpy posts with Joe Wilson shouting at the president during a state of the union speech? Conservatives have lowered the bar of decorum. It remains to be seen if liberals will do the same should a conservative ever be elected as president again.
 
2012-06-26 03:01:17 PM  
So now how long until the Right Wing Butthurt Machine starts whining because the "libs" removed a "great man" like Bush from their TV show? We all know it's only a matter of time.
 
2012-06-26 03:01:23 PM  
Political correctness strikes again.

The whiny pussies of political correctness (as usual, conservatives) threw a tantrum because a generic prop head looked vaguely like Dubya in profile. Truly their pants-wetting biatchyness knows no bounds.

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


Liberals would say, "I guess I can see it, oh well." Also there wouldn't be nearly enough hue and cry to change it in the first place because only the delicate flowers on the right freak out and throw tantrums of that caliber.

Meanwhile:

i75.photobucket.com

i75.photobucket.com

i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-26 03:01:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Bob the Internet Barbarian: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

One word, "POUTRAGE"!

/That is all.


FTFY

And no, I really doubt it would have been a big deal. Well, I suppose both sides of the political spectrum has their massive flaming retards... the left side's massive retards don't seem to have as many popular radio and TV show pundits though.


I agree with you. Personally I think it was very silly to get the proverbial "panties in a wad" over something most people did not even notice.
 
2012-06-26 03:10:00 PM  

GuyCaballero: GRR Martin, on the other hand, should be stopped at all costs from releasing yet another worthless instalment in this storyless, plotless, and mind-numbing crime against literature.

Come on. Say what you will about FFC and DWD, but Storm of Swords was epic.


I give an epic fantasy writer the first book and a half to sell me on his work. I found the first two books overly bloated and completely lacking in a unifying plot. There was so much worthless description of the meals and clothes that the books were too long by half. And that is another thing! His tedious repetition of the phrase "by half" or "half a (insert subject)" went right past comical into nusiance. In fact, I found his obvious lack of an editor so blatant, that I decided to see if skipping a few books would matter at all. I went straight from books 1 and 2 on to book 5. And I didn't feel as if I'd missed a thing. He went back and repeated any highlights I might have missed along the way.

Tolkein told the story of the one ring. It mattered what happened to it. If it fell into the wrong hands it would be disasterous.
Lucas told the story of the Jedi and it mattered which side ended in power.
Eddings tols the story of the Orb and the two prophesies and it mattered which side won.
Card told the story of first contact with aliens and the horror of xenocide.

I guess Martin is telling the story of the throne of swords. But really, who cares? Does it matter who wins out? Is there a rightful ruler to cheer for? Will the people be better off?

He is only writing a worthless soap opera with boobies and blood. Chapter after chapter, he provides loads of things that don't matter. Eventually you get nowhere.
 
2012-06-26 03:12:38 PM  

hammettman: tooeasy: hammettman: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

Sure, I can understand, since conservatives, whether they be on White House grounds, participating in a state of the union speech at the Capital, in church, in the media, or just in public, have always shown the utmost respect to the office of the president.

[i90.photobucket.com image 612x792]

seriously, after the 'Bush is Hitler' posts on DailyKos, the 'Bush is a monkey' posts on Fark, and the 'Bush is going to impose martial law and refuse to give up the Presidency' conspiracies (also posted on Fark), people think there's actually dignity associated with the Oval Office still?


/voted for Obama, and leaning Obama again
//just hate hypocrisy from either side

There will always be political satire and commentary. Are you really going to equate Fark Bush is chimpy posts with Joe Wilson shouting at the president during a state of the union speech? Conservatives have lowered the bar of decorum. It remains to be seen if liberals will do the same should a conservative ever be elected as president again.


Dems audibly booed the parts of the SOU in 2004 and 2005, per google, thus losing the moral high ground on the 'the SOU is not to be treated as a partisan event' argument.

/not a fan of vitriol from either side, because it tends to overwelm rational discourse
 
2012-06-26 03:13:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know they said it was not intentional. They just needed heads and they used what was laying around.

This generates the only question I want answered: Why the fark do they just have a GWB head just hanging around???


Answer this question!


My guess is that a propmaker did it just because they could, because it would be a curious thing to have, and on the off chance someone might want it. Prop guys make stuff like that all the time without a specific assignment to do so.
 
2012-06-26 03:15:47 PM  
1) Didn't they say they just happened to have a GWB head lying around, and used whatever they could get their hands on?

2) GWB looks nothing like Ned Stark

3) Right wingers should be applauding the fact that they apparently equated Ned Stark with a good, honorable man who was betrayed by evildoers.
 
2012-06-26 03:17:42 PM  

Bob the Internet Barbarian: I agree with you. Personally I think it was very silly to get the proverbial "panties in a wad" over something most people did not even notice.



Seriously! Nobody, nobody at all noticed it because no one could have noticed it if they hadn't said anything in the DVD commentary. The head isn't even face on!

It was a funny little behind the scenes anecdote about recycling props that a few very cynical and exploitative people have used to generate fake controversy for selfish reasons within the ranks of Marx's proverbial "useful idiots".
 
2012-06-26 03:17:47 PM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-26 03:22:51 PM  

elchip: GWB looks nothing like Ned Stark


There were a lot more heads up there than just Ned Stark.
 
2012-06-26 03:26:36 PM  
Anyone else think this may have just been a brilliant stunt to sell more DVDs?
 
2012-06-26 03:28:14 PM  

Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.


i74.photobucket.com

It's OK to put Obama's head on a PIKE.

Lynching Obama= NOT OK.

That'd be racist.
 
2012-06-26 03:28:56 PM  
Well Im glad all the problems of the world are solved so the teabaggers and their cheerleaders could get their panties in a twist about something.
 
2012-06-26 03:33:21 PM  
I watched the whole 1st and 2nd series because of the controversy.

I was very disappointed to see that the Bush-head-on-a-stick shot lasted less than a second, if that.

Totally not worth it. Seeing Peter Dinklage's 9inch cock was a surprise though.
 
2012-06-26 03:35:53 PM  

elchip: 2) GWB looks nothing like Ned Stark


I didn't get to see the episode until after this "controversy" started, so I paid attention (mostly to see if Netflix would send me an edited disc or the original)

Anyway, the head lineup from right to left was Sharpe, then Nursie Whatshername and her wimple, then Chimpy McFlightsuit-in-a-wig.

(we need moar politician-heads-on-pikes as a warning to the others)
 
2012-06-26 03:36:47 PM  

GQueue: There were a lot more heads up there than just Ned Stark.


Did they not pan up to that particular head when Joffrey pointed Sansa's father's head to her? I don't remember. I just assumed that was the case.
 
2012-06-26 03:40:56 PM  
It is real mean to put a retard head on a pole.
 
2012-06-26 03:46:30 PM  

ErinPac: salvador.hardin: So the half second shot with a face so obscured by its angle and the hair covering it that no one recognized as being Bush's until three months after the release of a commentary track that specifically points out that fact has been digitally altered. Wow.


This.

How much could they even alter? You can barely see any of the face anyways.

Any before/after pics?


If only there was something you could click on, like an article or something. Perhaps even one conveniently linked to this page.
 
2012-06-26 03:47:37 PM  

Oznog: Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.



It's OK to put Obama's head on a PIKE.

Lynching Obama= NOT OK.

That'd be racist.


Uhhh, yeah actually. I'm 83% sure that this is why "set up the guillotines!" Has displaced "hang em high!" In most political hyperbole these days too.
 
2012-06-26 03:54:11 PM  
The fact is that Bush got off scot-free from basically farking up this country for 8 years.

We're supposed to be outraged about some TV program showing disrespect, I guess.
 
2012-06-26 03:55:47 PM  

tooeasy: hammettman: tooeasy: hammettman: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

Sure, I can understand, since conservatives, whether they be on White House grounds, participating in a state of the union speech at the Capital, in church, in the media, or just in public, have always shown the utmost respect to the office of the president.

[i90.photobucket.com image 612x792]

seriously, after the 'Bush is Hitler' posts on DailyKos, the 'Bush is a monkey' posts on Fark, and the 'Bush is going to impose martial law and refuse to give up the Presidency' conspiracies (also posted on Fark), people think there's actually dignity associated with the Oval Office still?


/voted for Obama, and leaning Obama again
//just hate hypocrisy from either side

There will always be political satire and commentary. Are you really going to equate Fark Bush is chimpy posts with Joe Wilson shouting at the president during a state of the union speech? Conservatives have lowered the bar of decorum. It remains to be seen if liberals will do the same should a conservative ever be elected as president again.

Dems audibly booed the parts of the SOU in 2004 and 2005, per google, thus losing the moral high ground on the 'the SOU is not to be treated as a partisan event' argument.

/not a fan of vitriol from either side, because it tends to overwelm rational discourse


Sorry, "boos" and polite "noes" have always been a fixture of the SOTU and in fact, I welcome this reception. I wish our President faced a Question Time ala Britain. Calling the President a liar is altogether different. Stop with the farking false equivalency.
 
2012-06-26 03:56:54 PM  
media.comicvine.com
Approves of using presidential heads.

Also:
www.wikinoticia.com
 
2012-06-26 03:59:25 PM  

tooeasy: Dems audibly booed the parts of the SOU in 2004 and 2005, per google, thus losing the moral high ground on the 'the SOU is not to be treated as a partisan event' argument.


Clearly, both sides are the same then!

Guess it's a good thing Joe Wilson didn't just shoot the president right there and let out a rebel yell to mark the return of the Confederate Army, which would have been fully justified because some people booed Bush in 2004 and 2005.
 
2012-06-26 04:03:54 PM  
I'm glad HBO did this. The implication that George W. Bush was part of the massacred noble Stark retinue is offensive. Bush would be a Frey.
 
2012-06-26 04:09:38 PM  
Sword of the Morning, get it?

Arthur Dayne was gay. So was Rheagar.
 
2012-06-26 04:21:09 PM  

shivashakti: I wonder if Hannity is equally offended by Point Break using Nixon masks.


Nah, but Swayze in the Reagan mask sent him on a 2-day crying jag.
 
2012-06-26 04:23:51 PM  
I'd vote for Obama if he rode in on a dire wolf.

/But only if.
 
2012-06-26 04:47:57 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Sean Hannity announced on his show today that the "facelift" is not enough and that he will continue to shout about this story until a severed Obama head is used in the series.


Will this do?

i2.listal.com

media.screened.com
 
2012-06-26 04:48:04 PM  

gingerjet: Which brings up an interesting question - which show was the prop head originally created for?


Look, I admit I'm totally speculating (OK maybe going off some limited experience doing backstage work at a HS drama club) but I daresay you're still over-thinking this. It wasn't a head they made specifically to look like Bush or even a recycled head that was supposed to look like Bush. At least in the limited time I've hung around stage technicians, the conversation probably went like this:

"Okay, we need a severed head; any ideas?"
"Should we model them after ourselves?"
"No, that would mean pulling you guys off your posts and we're already behind schedule."
"I can pull up some random faces on Google Images."
"No, I'm not gonna risk getting sued."
"Hey, why don't I just go to the dollar store and pull some Halloween masks off a shelf? We're not gonna be showing the faces directly, and I gotta pick up some disposable props for that one scene anyway."
"Sounds good; here's five bucks. Bring back a receipt so I can expense this shiat."

One hour later they're molding wax. Should be "end of story" there, but some days later one of the prop guys lets out they "modeled a head after Dubya Bush" while getting drunk at a bar, someone overhears, word gets round and now some idiots are going apeshiat.
 
2012-06-26 04:53:27 PM  

GungFu: I watched the whole 1st and 2nd series because of the controversy.

I was very disappointed to see that the Bush-head-on-a-stick shot lasted less than a second, if that.

Totally not worth it. Seeing Peter Dinklage's 9inch cock was a surprise though.


Damn! I missed that, too!
 
2012-06-26 04:54:35 PM  

mongbiohazard: diaphoresis: GAT_00: Pawn takes the King: Was this really that big of a deal?

The GOP needed a butthurt of the day. That was it.

If they had used Obama or Clinton, you would be complaining too. Stop trolling.


Actually, no. The only people who would complain about it no matter who it was are - by definition - farking morons.

/voted for Bush twice


THIS over and over!
 
2012-06-26 05:10:14 PM  
970biking.com
 
2012-06-26 05:10:31 PM  

GuyCaballero: Tricky Chicken: As much as I found these books horribly written and painful to read.

This is a rediculous reaction to a non-issue. Even if they had gotten a Madamme Toussaud's quality replica and labeled it GW Bush, I would still think this is a non-issue (and I liked the guy).

Producers and directors should be free to use artistic license as they wish to make political points as they desire. As long as they don't openly call for an attack or other crime, no problem.

GRR Martin, on the other hand, should be stopped at all costs from releasing yet another worthless instalment in this storyless, plotless, and mind-numbing crime against literature.

Come on. Say what you will about FFC and DWD, but Storm of Swords was epic.


I like the books well enough, but he does sort of have that Robert Jordan Syndrome of "I have no idea how long this series needs to be or how to pace it" going on.
 
2012-06-26 05:11:55 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


Think you are nuts if anyone would have cared about Clinton's head on a stake. Probably not Obama either, other than it makes no sense to have a black head in Westeros.
 
2012-06-26 05:12:13 PM  
Also kind of funny that he thinks he can approximate the geography of the British Isles, rotate 180 deg. and have no one notice it even when he names one of his great houses after a British royal family.

/Or maybe that was the idea?
 
2012-06-26 05:12:34 PM  
I want to say 'meh - no big deal' but then I think "What if t was Obama's head on that pike?" and I think. . .oh, o.k. I see why it is a big deal to some.
 
2012-06-26 05:17:16 PM  

GuyCaballero: Come on. Say what you will about FFC and DWD, but Storm of Swords was epic.


Storm of Swords is a really fun read. It is pretty awfully written, but he keeps the plot moving fast and lots of cool twists and surprises. Oddly enough, the last two books were in some ways better written, even though they are mostly worthless overall.
 
2012-06-26 05:18:29 PM  

actualhuman: Also kind of funny that he thinks he can approximate the geography of the British Isles, rotate 180 deg. and have no one notice it even when he names one of his great houses after a British royal family.

/Or maybe that was the idea?


Why do you think "no one noticed" it? Everyone knows it is based on the british isles and, in some senses, the war of the roses.
 
2012-06-26 05:19:28 PM  

Bill Frist: actualhuman: Also kind of funny that he thinks he can approximate the geography of the British Isles, rotate 180 deg. and have no one notice it even when he names one of his great houses after a British royal family.

/Or maybe that was the idea?

Why do you think "no one noticed" it? Everyone knows it is based on the british isles and, in some senses, the war of the roses.


Oh ah.

/Has obviously not payed any attention at all to what you yahoos are thinking ;)
 
2012-06-26 05:20:00 PM  
I don't think you mean rotated 180 degress though. Its just flipped horizontally.
 
2012-06-26 05:22:37 PM  

Bill Frist: the war of the roses


www.currentobservations.us
 
2012-06-26 05:30:03 PM  

Rent Party: Bill Frist: the war of the roses

[www.currentobservations.us image 184x266]


Yeah he has said hat was an inspiration. House Lannsiter = House Lancaster, kinda. House Stark = House York, kinda. Pretty loose, but part of the inspiration.
 
2012-06-26 05:57:58 PM  

jennyz: Pocket Ninja: If I was in charge of filming Game of Thrones, I would do exactly the same thing in the upcoming season, except that instead of using Bush's head I'd use Obama's. And I make sure it was subtle enough that nobody noticed it until the season was over and some low-level key grip or other junior executive "accidentally" let slip in a Tweet or something like that a line about being glad nobody caught it. Then I'd sit back and watch whether the same people outraged this time were still outraged, and whether the same people who are saying it's no big deal this time would still be saying it's no big deal.

I'm not saying they would be, mind you. I just think it would be interesting to see.

That's racist.


WTF are you talking about?

He is fairly certain how it would turn out. The same people who don't give a shiat now would be up to not giving two shiats about it and the others, "republicans" would think it was funny too. You know, because they are notorious hypocrites.
 
2012-06-26 06:19:35 PM  

lilplatinum: Aarontology: IF OBAMA WAS FROM THE SUMMER ISLANDS, WHY DID HIS GRAMMA SAY HE WAS FROM ASTAPOR?

Win.


Second.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"


awoiaf.westeros.org

Jalabhar frowns in disapproval
 
2012-06-26 06:29:55 PM  

bhcompy: Jalabhar frowns in disapproval


And has Jalabhar even appeared in Game of Thrones? This is a thread about the TV show, not the books.

I think Xaro is the only real black dude that's been on the show... and that wasn't in Westeros.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:25 PM  

Sybarite: I wish my severed head was on Game of Thrones, especially after The Walking Dead refused to use that toe I sent them.



Congratulations. You win the internet today.
 
2012-06-26 06:46:27 PM  

elchip: 1) Didn't they say they just happened to have a GWB head lying around, and used whatever they could get their hands on?

2) GWB looks nothing like Ned Stark

3) Right wingers should be applauding the fact that they apparently equated Ned Stark with a good, honorable man who was betrayed by evildoers.


I just saw the episode. The head was the one next to Stark. It was an extra in the scene about heads on a pike, not even the lead head.
 
2012-06-26 06:49:02 PM  

Bill Frist:
I think Xaro is the only real black dude that's been on the show... and that wasn't in Westeros.


Salladhor Saan.
 
2012-06-26 06:53:55 PM  

Fragarach: Bill Frist:
I think Xaro is the only real black dude that's been on the show... and that wasn't in Westeros.

Salladhor Saan.


True forgot him.... although bizarre they only showed him once. Thought he'd pop back up in the blackwater episode.
 
2012-06-26 06:54:35 PM  

Kazrath: jennyz: Pocket Ninja: If I was in charge of filming Game of Thrones, I would do exactly the same thing in the upcoming season, except that instead of using Bush's head I'd use Obama's. And I make sure it was subtle enough that nobody noticed it until the season was over and some low-level key grip or other junior executive "accidentally" let slip in a Tweet or something like that a line about being glad nobody caught it. Then I'd sit back and watch whether the same people outraged this time were still outraged, and whether the same people who are saying it's no big deal this time would still be saying it's no big deal.

I'm not saying they would be, mind you. I just think it would be interesting to see.

That's racist.

WTF are you talking about?

He is fairly certain how it would turn out. The same people who don't give a shiat now would be up to not giving two shiats about it and the others, "republicans" would think it was funny too. You know, because they are notorious hypocrites.


It's sad that I need to clarify. It was a joke.
 
2012-06-26 08:01:06 PM  

I_C_Weener: I just saw the episode. The head was the one next to Stark. It was an extra in the scene about heads on a pike, not even the lead head.


And that's the real outrage.
 
2012-06-26 08:24:09 PM  
Thanks for making my DVD's worth a little bit more, teabaggers.
 
2012-06-26 08:28:04 PM  
Oh the political stupidity!

Those idiots should have kept their mouths shut, you couldn't tell it was Bush anyway.
 
2012-06-26 08:31:02 PM  

pippi longstocking: Oh the political stupidity!

Those idiots should have kept their mouths shut, you couldn't tell it was Bush anyway.


They wouldn't have even known if David Benioff hadn't said anything during the DVD commentary. That episode had been on the air more than a year, and the DVD had been out for 3 months before anyone got all butthurt.
 
2012-06-26 08:32:31 PM  
Countdown until the conservatears that now it looks like Bush as a burn victim in 3....2....
 
2012-06-26 08:48:21 PM  

Bill Frist: It is pretty awfully written


I'm going to need to see some examples of this awful writing, or at least some specific things that you don't like about it. I like GRRM's style myself. And I like it even more when it's read aloud by Roy Dotrice.
 
2012-06-26 09:27:54 PM  
Guy on the right looks more like this guy:

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2012-06-26 09:39:37 PM  

GuyCaballero: Bill Frist: It is pretty awfully written

I'm going to need to see some examples of this awful writing, or at least some specific things that you don't like about it. I like GRRM's style myself. And I like it even more when it's read aloud by Roy Dotrice.


Let me actually amend this: it's really mediocre and uniterestingly written on a prose level. I shouldn't say awful. its passable, but Martin has virtually no style at all and does nothing even remotely interesting with language. He also seems pretty uninterested or incapable of doing much with atmosphere or really anything that doesn't have to do with PLOT PLOT PLOT in the first books. If a conversation happens, its to directly advance the plot or inform you of the plot that happened off page. If a character appears, its to learn about the plot, etc.

(Again, I think in books 4 and 5 he actually grows as a writer... at least at points. Some of the Cersei chapters, or the final Quent chapter in 5, are much more interesting in terms of POV, tension, atmosphere, etc.)

As for problems in the writing, at least for me:

- Martin has this funny habit of discovering a word or coming up with a phrase and then suddenly every farking chapter contains it or character says it. Examples: "wroth" "nuncle" "winkled" "words are wind" If you have the e-book files to search through, you can see how these words, that like no one says in early books, suddenly become the most common words in the whole world.

- Martin's love of cliff hangers makes him skip over much of the most interesting stuff. A character's chapter will end with "this cool thing was about to happen!!" and then his next chapter will start with "character x, days later, was still angry about the coo thing that happened."

- While some characters are pretty fascinating, I think a lot of the characters are flat and pretty boring as characters. Some of these develop interesting arcs over the course of the 5 books... but it shouldn't take you 5,000 words to make a character interesting.

- I think his italics passages, the direct thoughts of characters, should have been cut. They mostly just hit the reader over the head with what is obvious. "Do you love Joffrey?" "Of course, he is my king." Actually I hate him and think he is mean but I can't say that out loud, Sansa thought.

- Someone pointed out to me that there is a chapter in one of the books that uses the phrase "fearsomely strong cider" three times in like two pages. Martin gets lazy like that.

- It also bothers me how often Martin literally cuts and pastes text. Characters often remember whole paragraphs that other characters said, even if said speaking character was irrelevant and the paragraph of speech would have been unmemorable. The WORST is that between books 4 and 5 he must cut and paste like 1,500 words of text when he redoes a chapter from another character's POV. You can do interesting things showing the same scene from two POVs, but merely cutting and pasting dialogue is not a way!

So, those are a few complaints. OTOH, his style is passable enough that it doesn't destroy the good qualities, which include, for me, some rad characters, great plot twists (and plot in general), a cool and fully fleshed out world, and so on. I definitely plowed through the early books. I plowed through them recently, which is why I have so much off hand to say....
 
2012-06-26 09:40:56 PM  
Heh, that was kinda long. Sorry.
 
2012-06-26 09:41:18 PM  

The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?


+1

I'm sure "racism" would have been mentioned in the first article published as well.
 
2012-06-26 09:43:39 PM  
and I should have proofread that. Shouldn't take you 5,000 PAGES to make characters interesting.
 
2012-06-26 09:44:41 PM  

Bill Frist: Heh, that was kinda long. Sorry.


That was a well reasoned literary critique, damn you!
 
2012-06-26 10:03:44 PM  
"You do the scene with the fake heads you have, not the fake heads you wish you had."
 
2012-06-26 10:04:25 PM  

Bill Frist: GuyCaballero: Bill Frist: Again, I think in books 4 and 5 he actually grows as a writer... at least at points. .


HAHAHA Holy shiat, that's a good one. Keep them coming.
 
2012-06-26 10:06:24 PM  
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2012-06-26 10:24:20 PM  
In addition to missing this entire thing as it came out, I was listening to Hollywood Babble-On and they explained it (to me) weeks after the fact that it was an extra prop that showed up in a bulk rent. Someone in the prop department clearly knew it was a GW Bush head but I doubt anyone else did - it's an inside joke on the show. If they hadn't pointed it out, no one would know.

So the right-wing echo chamber is wrong, but I can see where HBO is coming from because they can't just let it be now that it's a (manufactured) news story.

I voted for Bush. I'm a conservative. Nothing about this offended me and it wouldn't have if it was intentional. There were far more open, egregious, and directly disrespectful moments from the left during his presidency. This is nothing, and certainly nothing to get worked up over unless you have another hour of bullshiat news to fill.
 
2012-06-26 10:48:39 PM  

Bill Frist: - Martin has this funny habit of discovering a word or coming up with a phrase and then suddenly every farking chapter contains it or character says it. Examples: "wroth" "nuncle" "winkled" "words are wind" If you have the e-book files to search through, you can see how these words, that like no one says in early books, suddenly become the most common words in the whole world.


Valid criticism. "more useless than nipples on breastplate" comes to mind. I was wondering why three different characters set it within a span of 100 pages in AFfC.

Bill Frist: - Martin's love of cliff hangers makes him skip over much of the most interesting stuff. A character's chapter will end with "this cool thing was about to happen!!" and then his next chapter will start with "character x, days later, was still angry about the coo thing that happened."


This doesn't bother me. He usually ends the chapter right after something major has happened (Jamie getting his hand cut off, etc.). Keeps the pages turning.

Bill Frist: - While some characters are pretty fascinating, I think a lot of the characters are flat and pretty boring as characters. Some of these develop interesting arcs over the course of the 5 books... but it shouldn't take you 5,000 words to make a character interesting.


But think of how well we come to know the characters by the ends of book 4/5. We know them like we know our family.

Bill Frist: - I think his italics passages, the direct thoughts of characters, should have been cut. They mostly just hit the reader over the head with what is obvious. "Do you love Joffrey?" "Of course, he is my king." Actually I hate him and think he is mean but I can't say that out loud, Sansa thought.


This didn't really bother me. I like the POV format of the novels, and I really like when a character we have only seen through the eyes of someone else is suddenly sharing their most intimate thoughts with us. Getting to see Cersei's mind was in my opinion the best part of book 4. What a psycho. Before I thought she was just nasty.

Bill Frist: - It also bothers me how often Martin literally cuts and pastes text. Characters often remember whole paragraphs that other characters said, even if said speaking character was irrelevant and the paragraph of speech would have been unmemorable. The WORST is that between books 4 and 5 he must cut and paste like 1,500 words of text when he redoes a chapter from another character's POV. You can do interesting things showing the same scene from two POVs, but merely cutting and pasting dialogue is not a way!


Not much choice when you are showing live scenes from two points of view. If they are remembered scenes, you can definitely play with unreliable narrator, but if they are direct live scenes you have to present the dialogue the same way every time. I myself was cheesed with the way DWD wound back the clock, and I'm itching for the series to drive towards its conclusion, but I've greatly enjoyed it.

I think I can forgive the meandering pace because I supplement reading with the audio books (in the car, shower, cycling, etc.). This untethers me from book and allows me to enjoyed as performance as well as literature. In fact, I have consumed the series in three formats for each book -- paper, ebook, and audiobook. I think it's worth the effort to get through, and this has made it more enjoyable.

You're right, though, it's by no means perfect. Seeing Dany STILL twiddling her thumbs across the sea in book 5 is pretty frustrating. Get the fark on with it already. I'm not up for a twenty-book series.
 
2012-06-26 11:31:59 PM  
farking nerds couldn't keep their traps shut for 8-10 years and make this impossible to retract.
 
2012-06-26 11:58:41 PM  
I'd be pissed about this if I were President Bush. It's probably the only thing he's ever been associated with that has a high approval rating.
 
2012-06-27 12:06:22 AM  

hammettman: It remains to be seen if liberals will do the same should a conservative ever be elected as president again.


Er...as much as I hated Bush, there were liberals calling for Bush's head at war protests.

The whole "chimp" thing, too.

Or "shrubbie".

I seem to remember some other pretty vile stuff, too.

The respect, it was lacking.
 
2012-06-27 12:13:16 AM  
GuyCaballero

I'll definitely admit that some of those things are things I wouldn't expect others to really notice or be bothered by (like the italics). Just things I dislike. My main feeling is that for the first books, and most of 4/5, he just isn't doing much with the prose of the book. He has cool characters, a cool plot, plot twists, and an interesting world. But beyond that, not much is going on. Again, I plowed through these, so I'm not saying they are bad books. I enjoyed them... well at least till 4/5. But the writing--on a prose level--struck me as unmemorable.

To clarify a few things:

I like the POV structure, I just think that his direct thought italics tend to be pointless and repeat information we already know. Like, we KNOW Sans hates Joffrey without her thinking "I hate Joffrey." I agree the Cersei chapters were some of the most interesting, and examples of how I think his writing was sometimes better in books 4/5 (even though those books were far more flawed on other levels).

I think some characters (Tyrion, Jamie as the book progresses, Cersei [although her chapters get repetitive in Feast and some could have been cut], etc.) are both interesting and well developed. Others, though, I think remain pretty flat and uninteresting. I don't think Martin knows how to write Brienne at all (she is more interesting on the TV show) and Sansa bores me in her POV chapters... even though I'm interested in her plot..

I disagree regarding the two chapters question. Not EVERY bit of dialogue or action is told in a "direct live scene" as you say. You choose what to spell out on the page. So in the scene we are talking about, the second time you have Jon give his speech to Sam you could skip over most of it easily with "Sam felt nervous as Jon spelled out his plan" or whatever. In fact, giving us Sam's thoughts instead of repeating Jon's words makes a lot more sense, because why else show the scene twice if not to give us a different perspective?

That said, that's the only time that I remebmer seeing so much text copy and pasted so probably no point dwelling on it.

On the macro plot level... I do agree that it is hard not to be nervous about Martin's ability to wrap this up anytime in the next decade. It's funny how when you start the book, or start the TV show, you keep hearing about how "winter is coming." And then there is the gigantic subplot about Dany (well, first her brother) raising an army to come to Westeros and then her hatching dragons.

5 books later and winter is only JUST starting and Dany is nowhere farking close to coming back!
 
2012-06-27 12:15:32 AM  

Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.


Umm... I don't laugh 'cause there is...
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2012-06-27 07:48:38 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Er...as much as I hated Bush, there were liberals calling for Bush's head at war protests.

The whole "chimp" thing, too.

Or "shrubbie".

I seem to remember some other pretty vile stuff, too.

The respect, it was lacking.


Yeah, you'd think the guy stole a national election(or two), shat the bed on a terror attack, started 2 unwinnable unnecessary wars, let energy companies write energy policy, signed off on the torture of prisoners of war, fired DOJ employees who wouldn't give him carte blanche to torture prisoners, blew a covert CIA operative's cover for political payback, let a city drown without so much as an appearance of giving a shiat, and gave his banking buddies an undeserved bailout on his way out or something.

Boo farking hoo, somebody made a mean comment about Bush. Seriously, fark that asshole with a rusty dildo. There's not enough urine in the world cover his grave.
 
2012-06-27 09:45:43 AM  

Bill Frist:
He also seems pretty uninterested or incapable of doing much with atmosphere or really anything that doesn't have to do with PLOT PLOT PLOT in the first books. If a conversation happens, its to directly advance the plot or inform you of the plot that happened off page. If a character appears, its to learn about the plot, etc.

So, those are a few complaints. OTOH, his style is passable enough that it doesn't destroy the good qualities, which include, for me, some rad characters, great plot twists (and plot in general),


I must have a different concept of plot than you do. Sure, there are dozens of minor storylines, but there is no unifying story or plot to this series at all. You could document all the interactions of the populace of a small town, and you would have a decent analog to this bloated work. They would both have twists and turns, but no unifying story. This whole series is nothing more than Days of Our Lives or General Hospital. You can jump in at any point and you won't be hindered by not reading the earlier work. You can also jump out at any point, since the lack of a story means you wont miss out on the conclusion (sort of like how The Sopranos ended).
 
2012-06-27 10:04:37 AM  

Bill Frist: He has cool characters, a cool plot, plot twists, and an interesting world. But beyond that, not much is going on.


Taking this at face value. . . you could do a LOT worse.
 
2012-06-27 10:53:48 AM  

Bill Frist: I think his italics passages, the direct thoughts of characters, should have been cut. They mostly just hit the reader over the head with what is obvious. "Do you love Joffrey?" "Of course, he is my king." Actually I hate him and think he is mean but I can't say that out loud, Sansa thought.


I agree with most of what you said, but I don't recall this particular problem. Your cited example isn't really good because it's Sansa, and for most of the first two books Sansa is a complete moron. Her thinking thinking moronic thoughts to herself is just par for the course, even if it is just pummeling a dead horse.

I happen to love this little passage from Game of Thrones and I think it's an exception to all of your complaints:

"I looked for you on the Trident," Ned said to them.
"We were not there," Ser Gerold answered.
"Woe to the Usurper if we had been," said Ser Oswell.
"When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were."
"Far away," Ser Gerold said, "or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells."
"I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege," Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them."
"Our knees do not bend easily," said Ser Arthur Dayne.
"Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him."
"Ser Willem is a good man and true," said Ser Oswell.
"But not of the Kingsguard," Ser Gerold pointed out. "The Kingsguard does not flee."
"Then or now," said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
"We swore a vow," explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned's wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
"And now it begins," said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
"No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends."
 
2012-06-27 11:29:26 AM  

dragonchild: Taking this at face value. . . you could do a LOT worse.


Sure, and I said I enjoyed the books, despite a Martin's mediocre prose. I do think, however, that a lot of this stuff means that the TV show, if it continues, will supplant the books as the more interesting version of the story.
 
2012-06-27 11:48:28 AM  

slarti0001: Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Italian Farker: As a conservative I had no issue with this but I do wonder how some liberals would have felt if it was Clinton or Obama's head?

If Obama, I think most of us would have asked "Wait, there are black people in Game of Thrones?"

And then we would laugh at you.

Umm... I don't laugh 'cause there is...
Xaro Xhoan Daxos (Nonso Anozie)
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Yeah - if I were Danerys I would've dumped the dragons and the crown for Xaro in a hot second.
 
2012-06-27 02:58:03 PM  
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