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(CNSNews)   From the Department of Money Well Spent: After almost 50 years and untold trillions of dollars, the US poverty level is the same as it was when war was declared   (cnsnews.com) divider line 413
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2012-06-26 12:34:26 PM  
www.politisink.com
 
2012-06-26 12:34:32 PM  
Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.
 
2012-06-26 12:35:03 PM  

vernonFL: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 612x392]

The percentage of "poor" people today who own a clothes dryer is HIGHER than the percentage of ALL people who had a clothes dryer in 1971!

Your argument is invalid.


Wait... people still own VCRs?
 
2012-06-26 12:35:10 PM  

mat catastrophe: It's hard to eliminate poverty when every single policy enacted over forty years has increased it.

Let's start with enacting a maximum wage, followed by a meaningful minimum wage. Let's move on to destroying the profit motive in food production, then health care, then real estate.

And if the rich don't like it, fark 'em. There's always Macau.


Which policy? EVERY POLICY. Every single thing we've done has increased poverty.

*WTF am I reading.JPEG*
 
2012-06-26 12:35:12 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.


Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.
 
2012-06-26 12:36:36 PM  
As long as racial and xenophobic demagoguery exists people will vote against their economic interests and sh*t will just keep getting worse. I speak as someone doing ethnographic work on these issues in the South. It's so depressing.
 
2012-06-26 12:38:20 PM  
Without poverty, there would be no employee's for Mitt to fire
 
2012-06-26 12:38:47 PM  

rustypouch: vernonFL: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 612x392]

The percentage of "poor" people today who own a clothes dryer is HIGHER than the percentage of ALL people who had a clothes dryer in 1971!

Your argument is invalid.

Wait... people still own VCRs?


Poor people do.
 
2012-06-26 12:38:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: CapitalismHumanity demands an underclass.


FTFY
 
2012-06-26 12:39:19 PM  
 
2012-06-26 12:39:29 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Cythraul: Yep. An eliminating the safety net for the poorest of the poor never starts bloody revolutions, either.

I thought the goal was to eliminate poverty altogether.


That has to be EVERYBODY'S goal, not just some people for it to work.
 
2012-06-26 12:40:24 PM  

qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.

Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.


Sure it is. If more people biatched less and gave more, it would make a difference.

Using your logic, we should all stop recycling plastic because it won't really make any difference.
 
2012-06-26 12:41:01 PM  
Obviously the solution is to cut them off completely, divert the funds to defense, bomb more countries into the stone age, then complain about Obama who let the United States turn into a third world country with more people dying of starvation.
 
2012-06-26 12:41:29 PM  
I would assume we would need to develop better education programs to prepare people for the real world instead of driving student loans and higher education to levels that only the upper middle-class can survive. We probably need to stop shipping low-level jobs overseas to give the blue collar worker opportunities that just aren't there anymore. And, we'll need to reform the health care system to prevent crushing debt that can destroy families and cripple growth.

Or, I guess, we get rid of welfare and hope for the best.
 
2012-06-26 12:43:49 PM  
Welfare is the cushion at the bottom, not the ladder up. It's not meant to eliminate poverty, just make it less shiatty.

We need a real program to eliminate it.
 
2012-06-26 12:46:01 PM  
1) ZOMG!!! 99.6% OF "POOR" HOUSEHOLDS HAVE REFRIGERATORS. WE NEED TO CUT BACK WELFARE!!

2) ZOMG!!! AFTER TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF WELFARE, THE CONDITION OF THE POOR HASN'T CHANGED ONE IOTA!!! WE NEED TO CUT BACK WELFARE!!

The flaw in your argument... do you spies it?
 
2012-06-26 12:46:04 PM  
We were doing better, then we started loosening the reins on high finance.

I'm a guy that believes there will always be some poverty, either those that cannot help it, or those too "proud" too take the assistance offered.

At least crime is still down.
 
2012-06-26 12:47:12 PM  
Umm...

Would the recession have anything to do with these numbers?

Maybe?

Just Maybe?
 
2012-06-26 12:47:33 PM  
What is it with the US and quagmires? Wonder if it has something to do with fighting symptoms rather than addressing underlying causes? We need more competent, apolitical civil service in this country. More technocrats, please.
 
2012-06-26 12:49:10 PM  
Apparently "it hasn't eliminated poverty" is a good enough reason to erase welfare, but "it hasn't created jobs" isn't a good enough reason to stop cutting taxes on Job CreatorsTM.

/It's not class warfare, though
//Cuz we said so
 
2012-06-26 12:49:15 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.

Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.

Sure it is. If more people biatched less and gave more, it would make a difference.

Using your logic, we should all stop recycling plastic because it won't really make any difference.


Nice strawman. I didn't say anything about "making a difference"; I said "it's not a solution because it doesn't solve the problem".

Likewise, voluntary recycling doesn't solve the problem.
 
2012-06-26 12:49:32 PM  

qorkfiend: Aar1012: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Dusk-You-n-Me: Clearly we need more tax cuts for the rich.

No no no... we need to invade Iran.

Why not both?

Now there's something everyone can enjoy.


We can't do any of that until we cut funding for NPR. Damn Public Radio Industrial Complex.
 
2012-06-26 12:51:29 PM  
In other news, despite repeated attempts by liberals to improve childhood education, 50% of all students still test below average.
 
2012-06-26 12:52:57 PM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: HotWingConspiracy: CapitalismHumanity demands an underclass.

FTFY


I'm not sure that is true, but it seems that most societal solutions end up with one.

What we really don't need is a class of a handful of wealthy supermen, it serves no purpose.
 
2012-06-26 12:53:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: qorkfiend: Aar1012: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Dusk-You-n-Me: Clearly we need more tax cuts for the rich.

No no no... we need to invade Iran.

Why not both?

Now there's something everyone can enjoy.

We can't do any of that until we cut funding for NPR. Damn Public Radio Industrial Complex.


No, stop the funding to the NEA! Look at how many recipients of the NEA grants are on the Forbes 500 List!
 
2012-06-26 12:54:20 PM  
tcf.org

Considering that over 50% of all government assistance goes to the 13% of the population over 65, I'd say it's had an effect.

But screw the kids...they need to work harder.
 
2012-06-26 12:54:44 PM  
In other news, despite attempts by liberals to improve greenhouse gas emissions, the Earth is still getting warmer.
 
2012-06-26 12:55:59 PM  
If rich people weren't so racist, this would not have happened.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Untold trillions"?

Someone's come unglued from reality.


Subby's penis is untold inches long.

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-06-26 12:59:24 PM  

lantawa: ToxicMunkee: Can't we just give them cake?

Good idea. Cake or Death.


Only if they don't realize that the cake is a lie
 
2012-06-26 12:59:58 PM  

coco ebert: As long as racial and xenophobic demagoguery exists people will vote against their economic interests and sh*t will just keep getting worse. I speak as someone doing ethnographic work on these issues in the South. It's so depressing.


Can you explain or post something I can read? I'm genuinely interested.
 
2012-06-26 01:00:07 PM  
So they are winning the war on poor people!
 
2012-06-26 01:00:24 PM  
This is completely different because black.
 
2012-06-26 01:00:41 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Or that one of the actual stated goals of the Great Society was the elimination of poverty.


"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."
 
2012-06-26 01:00:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Cythraul: So, let's eliminate welfare? Sounds good to me.

Staying the course for another 50 years should do the trick!


we should give up fighting crime. It's not working.
 
2012-06-26 01:01:43 PM  
I find it fascinating that just on the first page the report says this:

"In total, the United States spends nearly $1 trillion every year to fight poverty."

Then says this:

"Despite nearly $15 trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964,..."

We can't be averaging $1 trillion a year if we've only given 15 over the past 48 years...
 
2012-06-26 01:01:47 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Dancin_In_Anson: Or that one of the actual stated goals of the Great Society was the elimination of poverty.

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."


No, you'll drift aimlessly until you die...
 
2012-06-26 01:01:50 PM  

Fart_Machine: Feed the homeless to the hungry. Problem solved.


That's quite a modest proposal
 
2012-06-26 01:03:11 PM  
I would argue that during that time we have refined and recalculated what "the poverty level" is, many times. I somewhat agree with the folks who say we have the richest "poor people" in the world.
 
2012-06-26 01:03:36 PM  

bugontherug: 1) ZOMG!!! 99.6% OF "POOR" HOUSEHOLDS HAVE REFRIGERATORS. WE NEED TO CUT BACK WELFARE!!

2) ZOMG!!! AFTER TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF WELFARE, THE CONDITION OF THE POOR HASN'T CHANGED ONE IOTA!!! WE NEED TO CUT BACK WELFARE!!

The flaw in your argument... do you spies it?



I love logic.
 
2012-06-26 01:05:50 PM  

qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.

Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.

Sure it is. If more people biatched less and gave more, it would make a difference.

Using your logic, we should all stop recycling plastic because it won't really make any difference.

Nice strawman. I didn't say anything about "making a difference"; I said "it's not a solution because it doesn't solve the problem".

Likewise, voluntary recycling doesn't solve the problem.


Not a strawman, more an inference. To solve the problem, you would have to first make a difference, would you not? So is your way of solving it just throwing more taxpayer money at it?
 
2012-06-26 01:06:38 PM  

cato113: Fart_Machine: Feed the homeless to the hungry. Problem solved.

That's quite a modest proposal


Thank you. I was hoping for that punch line.
 
2012-06-26 01:08:52 PM  

rustypouch: vernonFL: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 612x392]

The percentage of "poor" people today who own a clothes dryer is HIGHER than the percentage of ALL people who had a clothes dryer in 1971!

Your argument is invalid.

Wait... people still own VCRs?


I'm using one to watch msnbc on one of these right now.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-26 01:10:27 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Dancin_In_Anson: Or that one of the actual stated goals of the Great Society was the elimination of poverty.

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."


For America, the results were more like this:

cdn.babble.com
 
2012-06-26 01:10:34 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.

Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.

Sure it is. If more people biatched less and gave more, it would make a difference.

Using your logic, we should all stop recycling plastic because it won't really make any difference.

Nice strawman. I didn't say anything about "making a difference"; I said "it's not a solution because it doesn't solve the problem".

Likewise, voluntary recycling doesn't solve the problem.

Not a strawman, more an inference. To solve the problem, you would have to first make a difference, would you not? So is your way of solving it just throwing more taxpayer money at it?


This misses the entire point of a solution, which is to solve a problem. "Making a difference", in and of itself, is not a solution, as the problem still exists.

Note, also, that I didn't say welfare as currently constituted is the correct solution. However, removing welfare and expecting charity to pick up the slack isn't a solution at all.
 
2012-06-26 01:12:37 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: qorkfiend: Ball Sack Obama: Instead of biatching about it, go out and give poor people money. I will do the same when and where i feel like it.

It's really pretty simple.

Not a solution, since it doesn't solve the problem.

Sure it is. If more people biatched less and gave more, it would make a difference.

Using your logic, we should all stop recycling plastic because it won't really make any difference.

Nice strawman. I didn't say anything about "making a difference"; I said "it's not a solution because it doesn't solve the problem".

Likewise, voluntary recycling doesn't solve the problem.

Not a strawman, more an inference. To solve the problem, you would have to first make a difference, would you not? So is your way of solving it just throwing more taxpayer money at it?


Is your way of solving it to just hope for that people are generous enough despite the fact that people have never been generous enough in all of human history?
 
2012-06-26 01:13:05 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So let's see.....

Unemployment 1965 - ranged between 4.0% and 5.1%

Current unemployment rate - 8.2%

So the poverty rate now is roughly the same as it was in 1965, when economic conditions were significantly better.

This is a failure in what way?


Duh, Obama is black. You really need to catch up.
 
2012-06-26 01:14:56 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So let's see.....

Unemployment 1965 - ranged between 4.0% and 5.1%

Current unemployment rate - 8.2%

So the poverty rate now is roughly the same as it was in 1965, when economic conditions were significantly better.

This is a failure in what way?


T-Servo: [tcf.org image 380x289]

Considering that over 50% of all government assistance goes to the 13% of the population over 65, I'd say it's had an effect.

But screw the kids...they need to work harder.


These are both serious objections to the premise of the article which will be ignored by the proponents of the premise of the article.
 
2012-06-26 01:15:27 PM  
FTFA: CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS. CNSNews.com relies on individuals like you to help us report the news the liberal media distort and ignore.

Seems like an unbiased outfit to me. I can't imagine they would promote stories that fit their worldview of lazy poor people and out of control government spending (no mention of revenue).
 
2012-06-26 01:16:06 PM  

coco ebert: As long as racial and xenophobic demagoguery exists people will vote against their economic interests and sh*t will just keep getting worse. I speak as someone doing ethnographic work on these issues in the South. It's so depressing.


Like Fat Old Broad, I'd also love to see some more info about this. I know it happens, and I'd love to have some nice citations when I argue with people who tell me that racism and other assorted bigotry has nothing to do with the political climate in the south.
 
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