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2012-06-26 12:38:49 PM  
Well, that was interesting. So, all I need to do is write one really successful thing and then I can coast for two decades recycling it?

Awesome. Let me get started on that.
 
2012-06-26 12:49:27 PM  
His target audience lacks critical thinking skills. Not surprising he gets away with it.
 
2012-06-26 12:50:23 PM  
What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?
 
2012-06-26 12:52:40 PM  
Simultaneously funny and sad. Nice find,subby.
 
2012-06-26 12:53:12 PM  

Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?


What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.
 
2012-06-26 12:55:37 PM  

DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.


True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.
 
2012-06-26 12:58:10 PM  

Treygreen13: DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.

True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.


It's literally awesome.
 
2012-06-26 01:02:54 PM  

Treygreen13: DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.

True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.


Oceans and lengthy narratives

http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic
 
2012-06-26 01:02:59 PM  

mat catastrophe: Well, that was interesting. So, all I need to do is write one really successful thing and then I can coast for two decades recycling it?

Awesome. Let me get started on that.


Tyler Perry, Nickelback, Creed, Madonna, Cher, The Rolling Stones, U2, Marilyn Manson, Kevin Smith, Gene Roddenberry, George Lucas, 311, The Grateful Dead, Stan Lee, Dolly Parton, Jimmy Buffett, the list goes on and on (with varying degrees of success and longevity, of course) but yes; If you can find that magic formula you could coast for a long time. That coasting takes a lot of work to both achieve and maintain, though.
 
2012-06-26 01:11:05 PM  
Sorkin really has become of caricature of himself. But I don't think he knows it.
 
2012-06-26 01:16:13 PM  

lordaction: His target audience lacks critical thinking skills. Not surprising he gets away with it.


7 minutes of reused phrases from somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 hours of content is hardly enough to make his work any less enjoyable. You were saying something about being critical?

/Yes he repeats himself a lot
//Yes he knows it
///Yes it's still watchable
////Yes I like slashies
 
2012-06-26 01:18:00 PM  

lordaction: His target audience lacks critical thinking skills. Not surprising he gets away with it.


It's nice to know that you're just as predictable as Sorkin. Not as smart though, which is a shame.
 
2012-06-26 01:19:43 PM  
7 minutes and just a few things that are not common expressions heard everyday? Sorkin should sure himself for plagiarism.
 
2012-06-26 01:20:22 PM  
I read that as "Snorkinisms" and was disappointed to click the link and discover that it wasn't actually about undersea Smurfs.
 
2012-06-26 01:33:59 PM  
The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?
 
2012-06-26 01:39:00 PM  
Actually, it DOES illustrate a frequently cited weakness in Sorkin's writing: he doesn't so much develop characters as he creates mouthpieces.

If you've got a fully-orbed character with a complex back story, their dialogue should flow from that. Yet everyone in a Sorkin script sounds like they attended the same classes at Harvard.

Look at Joss Whedon, by contrast. Same love of clever, rapid-fire dialogue, but because he's better at developing characters, i doubt you could find enough repeated material to do a similar supercut.

I like 'em both, mind you, because i'm a well-educated, wealthy, liberal, elite social progressive ... but the standing critique of Sorkin seems more valid than ever, watching that.
 
2012-06-26 01:39:04 PM  

Apos: Simultaneously funny and sad. Nice find,subby.


Reminded me of the side by side comparisons RLM did of the Star Wars prequels. You never even notice until someone points it out, then you can't stop looking for it in every scene.
 
2012-06-26 01:42:26 PM  

lordaction: His target audience lacks critical thinking skills. Not surprising he gets away with it.


Hook, fish, ... . 7/10, not bad.
 
2012-06-26 01:44:04 PM  

ChrisDe: Sorkin really has become of caricature of himself. But I don't think he knows it.


He kinda has, but his shows are still better than 98% of what's on TV.

ChrisDe: The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?


It's a show that skewers news organizations for being inept and being more concerned with quick ratings than actually investigating anything. Of course the television reviewers, who work for news organizations, are going to hate it. The first episode is available for free on Youtube. I thought it was solid. Not as good as SN or WW, but solid. Jeff Daniels' character will be interesting if he stays a prick, and doesn't become warm and fuzzy like Bartlett did.
 
2012-06-26 01:50:19 PM  

Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?


You don't think that took a lot of work? I thought it was pretty impressive, both in terms of finding the stuff and in terms of the execution.
 
2012-06-26 01:54:16 PM  

flexflint: lordaction: His target audience lacks critical thinking skills. Not surprising he gets away with it.

Hook, fish, ... . 7/10, not bad.


7 / 10 for what exactly? I mean, I know that saying stupid things just to see if someone responds is what passes as cool or clever or whatnot these days, but I never really understood the accomplishment in trolling. Poe's law aside, they either mean what they said, and are stupid, or said something stupid to 'get bites', which is still stupid. Could be that I'm just tired of seeing it in religious context where trolls are reinforcing the faith of those who really buy into ridiculous things, but pretending to be part of the problem, and actually succeeding doesn't seem all that clever to me. So basically I'm asking are you giving him a score of 7 out of 10 for being an ass? Should he be proud of that?

Yeah this has nothing to do with Sorkin, this was just the trollscore that broke this camel's back.

/I know, I know... [welcome_to_fark.jpg]
 
2012-06-26 01:59:07 PM  

Treygreen13: DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.

True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.


^^^Epic comment
 
2012-06-26 01:59:23 PM  

towatchoverme: Look at Joss Whedon, by contrast. Same love of clever, rapid-fire dialogue, but because he's better at developing characters, i doubt you could find enough repeated material to do a similar supercut.


I think Whedon's characters are more interesting, but he needs a strong plot story to make them shine while Sorkin really doesn't. Sorkin could write a compelling and entertaining episode of television where his characters did nothing more than go to the laundromat. Tarantino could too. Whedon couldn't do that. It really shows in a multi-year series when plotlines eventually get exhausted and shake-ups need to occur to keep the stories coming. Buffy had to introduce more permanent characters (without removing old ones) and completely move the main setting of the show. Sorkin can write hours of good TV without anything 'big' happening, and his absence was incredibly noticeable in the West Wing when they had to resort to shiat like asteroid impacts and car bombs and major job changes in the later years just to get stories.
 
2012-06-26 02:04:11 PM  
I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.
 
2012-06-26 02:08:21 PM  

ChrisDe: The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?


I just watched it and I thought it was really good. I'm normally on the side of the critics, but in this case they were way too harsh.


stagirite: I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.


Me too. I was majorly bummed when they cancelled it. And Matthew Perry hasn't landed on anything good since.
 
2012-06-26 02:09:01 PM  

stagirite: I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.


It was, but it will never shed it's undeserved reputation, much like Ang Lee's Hulk or Letterman hosting the Oscars.
 
2012-06-26 02:13:52 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: ChrisDe: The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?

I just watched it and I thought it was really good. I'm normally on the side of the critics, but in this case they were way too harsh.


Agreed. The critics, like the Sorkin threads on Fark, have all taken on this weird "Sorkinism" critique. They mostly lavish praise on The West Wing and Sports Night and dump on Newsroom because it's the same style. That doesn't make any sense to me but I guess Sorkin has gotten popular enough that it's now cool to hate him.
 
2012-06-26 02:19:36 PM  

stagirite: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

You don't think that took a lot of work? I thought it was pretty impressive, both in terms of finding the stuff and in terms of the execution.


I'm sure it was time consuming to look through the scripts and find redundant lines, sure.

But "epic"? No.
 
2012-06-26 02:20:57 PM  

ChrisDe: The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?


It's free to watch through July 23rd on the web. While I agreed with the sentiment, I didn't care for the execution. Maybe it will get better, though.
 
2012-06-26 02:22:30 PM  
 
2012-06-26 02:27:16 PM  

Decillion: stagirite: I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.

It was, but it will never shed it's undeserved reputation, much like Ang Lee's Hulk or Letterman hosting the Oscars.


Ang Lee's Hulk was shiat; really you think it wasn't?!
 
2012-06-26 02:35:47 PM  
coeur.redux-angel.org
 
2012-06-26 02:38:14 PM  

The1andonlyZack: Decillion: stagirite: I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.

It was, but it will never shed it's undeserved reputation, much like Ang Lee's Hulk or Letterman hosting the Oscars.

Ang Lee's Hulk was shiat; really you think it wasn't?!


Shiat = F. It was a definite C+.
 
2012-06-26 02:44:55 PM  

Treygreen13: DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.

True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.


i47.tinypic.com

Well, not all the time.
 
2012-06-26 02:54:23 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Treygreen13: DVDave: Treygreen13: What exactly was "epic" about that editing job?

What's "epic" about anything posted on YouTube?
...or Fark, for that matter.

True. The term "epic" has been stripped of all meaning.

[i47.tinypic.com image 550x619]

Well, not all the time.


Anything that makes my lips silently motorboat is epic. And those are epi..bubupbpbubpbpbubpbupububbpbpb
 
2012-06-26 03:12:25 PM  
I remember noticing the cheating father bit the first time I watched through Sports Night. I presume its something personal that he had more to say about, hence recycling it for the West Wing. I've seen almost every one of those clips before, and, aside from the conversation cliches like "not for nothing," I'm pretty sure that most of the ideas were elaborated on or changed in the later treatment.

The conversational cliches in the video remind me of the summer I spent reading R.A. Salvatore books. At some point I promised myself that if I saw the words "exploded into action" again I would throw the book across the room. Five minutes later it went flying through a window pane.
 
2012-06-26 03:14:20 PM  
That was ... interesting. II guess all I need to do is write one really successful thing and then coast for two decades recycling it?

Awesome.

Let me get started on that.

/Still loves Sorkin.
 
2012-06-26 03:15:33 PM  
Aaron Sorkin gave the douchiest Oscar acceptance speech I can recall for Social Network. It was just so entitled.
 
2012-06-26 04:04:19 PM  

Decillion: The1andonlyZack: Decillion: stagirite: I suspect I'm in a minority, but I thought Studio 60 was terrific.

It was, but it will never shed it's undeserved reputation, much like Ang Lee's Hulk or Letterman hosting the Oscars.

Ang Lee's Hulk was shiat; really you think it wasn't?!

Shiat = F. It was a definite C+.


I'd maybe give you a D+; and the cost and time put into it definitely qualifies it for shiat status.
 
2012-06-26 04:16:13 PM  
He insists upon himself.
 
2012-06-26 04:19:35 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: towatchoverme: Look at Joss Whedon, by contrast. Same love of clever, rapid-fire dialogue, but because he's better at developing characters, i doubt you could find enough repeated material to do a similar supercut.

I think Whedon's characters are more interesting, but he needs a strong plot story to make them shine while Sorkin really doesn't. Sorkin could write a compelling and entertaining episode of television where his characters did nothing more than go to the laundromat. Tarantino could too. Whedon couldn't do that. It really shows in a multi-year series when plotlines eventually get exhausted and shake-ups need to occur to keep the stories coming. Buffy had to introduce more permanent characters (without removing old ones) and completely move the main setting of the show. Sorkin can write hours of good TV without anything 'big' happening, and his absence was incredibly noticeable in the West Wing when they had to resort to shiat like asteroid impacts and car bombs and major job changes in the later years just to get stories.



Umm...

www.millionaireplayboy.com

Just sayin...
 
2012-06-26 04:47:02 PM  

towatchoverme: Look at Joss Whedon, by contrast. Same love of clever, rapid-fire dialogue, but because he's better at developing characters, i doubt you could find enough repeated material to do a similar supercut.


Both Whedon and Sorkin are HORRIBLY overrated. Sorkin by middlebrow slightly liberal middle-aged white people and Whedon by "nerds" (does nerd even have any meaning anymore?) who always overrate anything that dips into their superficial (ie surface level) interest. If you had to watch a Whedon TV show that dind't have spaceships or vampries or some other nerd friendly trope, you'd probably die of boredom.

At least Whedon doesn't' seem to think he is an intellectual, like Sorkin does though.
 
2012-06-26 05:01:33 PM  
I just watched all of Sports Night on netflix.

It was good.

/csb
 
2012-06-26 05:03:56 PM  

Bill Frist: At least Whedon doesn't' seem to think he is an intellectual


No. He thinks he's a feminist, though. (I really don't think he is, especially after seeing The Avengers.)

Sorkin at least tends to write about adults. Whedon tends to write about teenagers, even going to far as to sticking them in adult bodies (Agent Coulson, super badass, squees over Captain America...really?)
 
2012-06-26 05:07:16 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I just watched all of Sports Night on netflix.

It was good.

/csb


I have both seasons on DVD. I liked the first season, even if it did begin and end on both really, really corny moments (Casey's faith is restored and Isaac's big return). The second, not so much. It felt like once they escaped the studio, things started to fall apart.
 
2012-06-26 05:24:21 PM  
Good thing we can avoid recycled dialogue and recurring themes here on Fark!

/your dog wants steak
/...ugly ass baby...
/If only there were some...
/Just kidding...
/...smokin' hot...
/NTAAWWT
/BSABSVR
 
2012-06-26 05:44:38 PM  

smimmy: ChrisDe: The Newsroom got pretty good numbers, but horrible reviews. I don't get HBO, did anybody watch?

It's free to watch through July 23rd on the web. While I agreed with the sentiment, I didn't care for the execution. Maybe it will get better, though.


Thanks for the link!
 
2012-06-26 05:56:17 PM  

ChrisDe: Sorkin really has become of caricature of himself. But I don't think he knows it.


I think his appearance on 30 Rock in which he did the walk-and-talk with one of the characters proves he knows it. He has such a distinctive style that it's become his "brand."

Sorkin. Wes Anderson. Jean-Pierre Jeunet. Seth MacFarlane. They all do one over and over with slight variations. But they own it.

I doubt the others reuse dialog, though. That's just kind of cheap.
 
2012-06-26 06:09:08 PM  

EyeballKid: [coeur.redux-angel.org image 448x318]


Excellent reference.
 
2012-06-26 06:33:40 PM  
I enjoyed Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, too, and was sorry - and somewhat surprised - that it left us that quickly.

I still go back to "We are the very model of a modern network TV show" for instant entertainment.

Still, I'm a Sorkin fan, regardless of what alleged deficiency the clever clip compilation wants to imply about his talent.

As I recall, the Bible gets pretty darned repetitive, too ...
 
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