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2012-06-26 12:23:50 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: Sock Ruh Tease: Even if he is the pick, it won't have the desired effect (getting more Latinos to vote for Money).

Best case scenario is Rubio attracts some Lats with his (relatively) moderate stances on immigration reform, maybe even a Blue Dog or two that's disappointed in Obama and swayed by the AGREE Act. But you still have a substantial piece of your constituency that is wildly xenophobic and will perceive Rubio's appointment as VP as another furriner taking an American job, and as someone who represents that phenomenon occurring across the country.

Not that people like that are gonna turn around and vote for Obama, obviously, but this is another scenario where Romney's decisions will break him even with his fractured base.


The real muscle in this election.
 
2012-06-26 12:24:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bhcompy: Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

No, Democrats criticized Palin for being incredibly, unbelievably retarded.


No, I'm pretty sure it was experience.

NY Times : Democrats and at least some shocked Republicans questioned the judgment of Mr. McCain, who has said repeatedly on the campaign trail that his running mate should have the qualifications to immediately step into the role of commander in chief.

....

Mr. Obama's fellow Democrats were considerably less welcoming, and most said they were flabbergasted by what they characterized as a desperate, cynical or dangerous choice, given Ms. Palin's lack of any experience in national security.

"On his 72nd birthday, this is the guy's judgment of who he wants one heartbeat from the presidency?" said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, who said the selection smacked of political panic. "Please."


Washington Post : Michael Feldman(Sr Advisor to Gore): McCain wants and needs a game-changer -- someone who can transform the race and appeal to women who feel disenfranchised by the Democratic primary results. But he couldn't go with his first choice, Joe Lieberman, because it would have caused a revolt within his Republican base.

Instead, he has decided to put the former part-time mayor of a town of fewer than 9,000, with zero foreign policy experience, a heartbeat away from the presidency, undermining one of his central campaign messages -- experience.

....

John Podesta(Clinton Chief of Staff) : A potential vice president with the ideology of Dick Cheney and fewer qualifications than Dan Quayle should send arctic shivers up our spines.

Vice presidents matter. In our history, nine have become president when the sitting commander in chief unexpectedly died or resigned. McCain, a 72-year-old cancer survivor, may be rolling the dice to grab a chunk of Hillary Clinton's voters, but he is asking all of us to gamble on Sarah Palin if she were to become president at a time of national crisis.

McCain himself said this spring: "In all due respect he does not understand . . . the fundamental elements of national security and warfare." He could have been discussing his running mate. The former mayor of Wasilla, population 8,471, has no national security experience. She has been governor only two years. And her instincts on domestic and security policy are troubling.


etc
 
2012-06-26 12:26:20 PM

Supes: thornhill: Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

Dear god, the idea of Biden running on the top of a ticket scares me. I hope so much that Mark Warner finally bites the bullet and enters the race for 2016.


All eyes are going to be on Clinton. She's going out of Secretary of State on a very high note -- she's probably the most popular public figure at the moment.

If she doesn't run, I say Cuomo is the likely nominee.
 
2012-06-26 12:29:13 PM

bhcompy: Instead, he has decided to put the former part-time mayor of a town of fewer than 9,000, with zero foreign policy experience, a heartbeat away from the presidency, undermining one of his central campaign messages -- experience.


Highlighted the relevant portion for you. They weren't criticizing Palin for her lack of experience per se, they were criticizing McCain for making his campaign all about experience, incessantly criticizing Obama for his lack of experience, and then selecting a running mate with no experience to speak of. There were some direct criticisms of Palin there ("And her instincts on domestic and security policy are troubling."), but the experience bit was directed more at McCain's hypocrisy than anything.
 
2012-06-26 12:38:57 PM
I'm going with Paul Ryan
 
2012-06-26 12:40:18 PM

DirkValentine: I'm going with Paul Ryan


Are you going steady?
 
2012-06-26 12:48:56 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: DirkValentine: I'm going with Paul Ryan

Are you going steady?


*blush!*
 
2012-06-26 12:49:35 PM

qorkfiend: Hickenlooper!


Not sharin' with the rest of the country. We're keeping him here.
 
2012-06-26 12:56:17 PM

DirkValentine: I'm going with Paul Ryan


Sure, go with that if you want the federal government to become a giant insurance company with a military.
 
2012-06-26 12:58:53 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

"Oh no, I insist, you deserve Vice President far more than I."
 
2012-06-26 01:04:02 PM

Serious Black: DirkValentine: I'm going with Paul Ryan

Sure, go with that if you want the federal government to become a giant insurance company with a military.


I don't want that arrogant dickhead anywhere near his congressional seat, much less as VP.
 
2012-06-26 01:37:37 PM
There are dozens of Republicans in reasonably-high elected positions who would wade through an outhouse vault for a VP nod. I'm quite sure my own governor (Brownback, KS) would.

The problem is that these guys are guys who would be pretty happy with a loss, since they'd be prime GOP candidate #1 for a 2016 bid. Like Edwards with Kerry... you were never quite sure the VP candidate really wanted to be VP.
 
2012-06-26 01:46:06 PM

Lawnchair: There are dozens of Republicans in reasonably-high elected positions who would wade through an outhouse vault for a VP nod. I'm quite sure my own governor (Brownback, KS) would.

The problem is that these guys are guys who would be pretty happy with a loss, since they'd be prime GOP candidate #1 for a 2016 bid. Like Edwards with Kerry... you were never quite sure the VP candidate really wanted to be VP.


You really think Brownback would go from having full executive power over a state that is starting to resemble a Christian Pakistan to having minimal power over a country that is closely divided between liberals and conservatives? I don't know...he seems to be a power-hungry asswipe.
 
2012-06-26 01:51:55 PM

MilesTeg: Nice job subtroll.

When quoting someone (you know, using quotation marks) in the non-troll world you put exactly what they said.

Let me help you:

Rice said, "I didn't run for student council president. I don't see myself in any way in elective office."

Rice also said, "there is no way that I will do this because it's really not me. I know my strengths and weaknesses." She said Romney will pick a strong running mate and she'll support the ticket.

Not your made up:

Condoleeza Rice. "There's no way I'd be Romney's VP"

5/10 because I bit.


You must be new.
 
2012-06-26 01:57:53 PM
I find it amusing that the all the haters out there are wasting their time dumping on VP picks that are not going to happen. Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?), he's not going to pick someone too controversial or too young and he needs someone who knows how Washington works. Look for him to pick a current or former Senator with executive experience. I'm guessing the person would need to be at least 55 years old and probably from a swing state. He's nothing if not careful.
 
2012-06-26 02:04:13 PM

Serious Black: You really think Brownback would go from having full executive power over a state that is starting to resemble a Christian Pakistan to having minimal power over a country that is closely divided between liberals and conservatives? I don't know...he seems to be a power-hungry asswipe.


I do. He's not dumb enough to believe the whole "massive tax cuts for the Kochs will pay for themselves if we pencil in a 10% y-o-y growth rate into the future... which will surely happen if we cut taxes". I think getting out before the s*** hits is the way to go, power or not.

And, hey, bailing on a second-term-run doesn't seem to have killed Romney (although, Romney was likely to lose in MA... Brownback would win a second term because there isn't a single Kansas Democrat besides Sebelius with 10% name recognition in the state... and that includes the 2010 nominee).
 
2012-06-26 02:05:44 PM

carrion_luggage: Don't Troll Me Bro!: carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

And who might that be?

R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.


Who the hell is Gedss?
 
2012-06-26 02:09:08 PM

farkityfarker: I'm willing to wager that whoever the running mate turns out to be will have at least professed no interest in the position or even stated unequivocally that they would turn it down.


True. I believe that is called the "I really shouldn't have a piece of cake" factor.

Of course, in this case some of the people really don't want the farking cake.
 
2012-06-26 02:14:34 PM

tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)


No one. They could stay home, vote for a third party candidate, destroy their ballot, right in a candidate.

The race is close enough that it cold be won solely on turn-out. Maybe Obama's community organization skills will be useful afterall.
 
2012-06-26 02:19:45 PM

bhcompy: NY Times : Democrats and at least some shocked Republicans questioned the judgment of Mr. McCain, who has said repeatedly on the campaign trail that his running mate should have the qualifications to immediately step into the role of commander in chief.


Qualifications does not necessarily equal experience.

bhcompy: Mr. Obama's fellow Democrats were considerably less welcoming, and most said they were flabbergasted by what they characterized as a desperate, cynical or dangerous choice, given Ms. Palin's lack of any experience in national security.


This is a specific qualification which Mrs. Palin unequivocally did not have. Remember the "When Putin rears his head he comes to Alaska" bit? Meanwhile, Obama sat on the Senate Foreign Relations committee.

bhcompy: Instead, he has decided to put the former part-time mayor of a town of fewer than 9,000, with zero foreign policy experience, a heartbeat away from the presidency, undermining one of his central campaign messages -- experience.


Again, this is a specific qualification that Palin did not have that Obama did have - foreign policy.

bhcompy: McCain himself said this spring: "In all due respect he does not understand . . . the fundamental elements of national security and warfare." He could have been discussing his running mate. The former mayor of Wasilla, population 8,471, has no national security experience. She has been governor only two years. And her instincts on domestic and security policy are troubling.


Yet a third person who stated, correctly, that Sarah Palin did not have foreign-policy experience that Obama did have.

But thanks for proving my point for me. It was so nice of you to do all that research.
 
2012-06-26 02:20:48 PM

mrshowrules: tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)

No one. They could stay home, vote for a third party candidate, destroy their ballot, right in a candidate.

The race is close enough that it cold be won solely on turn-out. Maybe Obama's community organization skills will be useful afterall.


Standing by my previous prediction, this election will not be close.
 
2012-06-26 02:22:23 PM

vernonFL: Gotta make a move to a town thats right for me

Gotta keep a herpin and a derpin with the energy

Well I lie about it lie about it lie about it lie about it

Lie about lie about lie about everything.

Won't you take me to

Romneytown

Won't you take me to

Romneytown.


karshwrites.com
 
2012-06-26 02:24:52 PM
It won't be Rubio--he's a former Mormon. You don't want two Mormons on the same ticket. Dr. Rice needs no additional cred or training to run on her own. She was already Sec of State. If she wants to run on her own she will.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:03 PM

Somacandra: It won't be Rubio--he's a former Mormon. You don't want two Mormons on the same ticket. Dr. Rice needs no additional cred or training to run on her own. She was already Sec of State. If she wants to run on her own she will.


She won't ever run for office because she's a "single" black woman in the Republican party. The primary alone would destroy her.
 
2012-06-26 02:28:54 PM
I know its been bandied about before on Fark, but I agree with Dr. Paul Begala, its going to be Senator Rob Portman. You need a safe, white, technocratic choice that will not overshadow Romney. An anti-Palin, if you will.
 
2012-06-26 02:33:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Qualifications does not necessarily equal experience.


Clause 5: Qualifications for office

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I'm pretty sure she meets the qualifications. What she didn't meet was the job experience people expect you to have.
 
2012-06-26 02:39:02 PM

tcan: mrshowrules: tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)

No one. They could stay home, vote for a third party candidate, destroy their ballot, right in a candidate.

The race is close enough that it cold be won solely on turn-out. Maybe Obama's community organization skills will be useful afterall.

Standing by my previous prediction, this election will not be close.


I agree, Obama will beat Romney just as soundly as he beat McCain.
 
2012-06-26 02:44:25 PM

bhcompy: I'm pretty sure she meets the qualifications. What she didn't meet was the job experience people expect you to have.


While that is correct, the criticisms of her experience that you posted were not for the same reasons the Republicans attacked Obama.
 
2012-06-26 02:45:23 PM
Maybe Romney will find some obscure rule that says he doesn't have to have a VP, he'll run on his own and for some reason Republicans will have no problem with this whatsoever.
 
2012-06-26 02:49:14 PM

mrshowrules: tcan: mrshowrules: tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)

No one. They could stay home, vote for a third party candidate, destroy their ballot, right in a candidate.

The race is close enough that it cold be won solely on turn-out. Maybe Obama's community organization skills will be useful afterall.

Standing by my previous prediction, this election will not be close.

I agree, Obama will beat Romney just as soundly as he beat McCain.


Whatever helps you get through the day ;)
 
2012-06-26 02:54:54 PM
She later criticized Obama's foreign policy and called for a more "assertive" America.

Yeah, you sure showed him how it's done with the surgical strikes in Iraq & Afghanistan versus the clusterfark of a decade-long quagmire in Libya.
 
2012-06-26 02:55:02 PM

tcan: mrshowrules: tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)

No one. They could stay home, vote for a third party candidate, destroy their ballot, right in a candidate.

The race is close enough that it cold be won solely on turn-out. Maybe Obama's community organization skills will be useful afterall.

Standing by my previous prediction, this election will not be close.


I think it's going to be a lot closer than many people think. There are enough people who vote right down the party line, that there will still be a significant number of people voting for Romney. Also, older people (who are more likely to be republican) are much more reliable when it comes to voting than the young people that tend to vote democrat.
 
2012-06-26 03:20:17 PM
She's pro choice. Non-starter.

Meanwhile, AFAIK, Paul Ryan is the only person that has turned over documentation to Romney's people for vetting. So I'd put my money on him for now.
 
2012-06-26 03:25:57 PM

Lawnchair: Serious Black: You really think Brownback would go from having full executive power over a state that is starting to resemble a Christian Pakistan to having minimal power over a country that is closely divided between liberals and conservatives? I don't know...he seems to be a power-hungry asswipe.

I do. He's not dumb enough to believe the whole "massive tax cuts for the Kochs will pay for themselves if we pencil in a 10% y-o-y growth rate into the future... which will surely happen if we cut taxes". I think getting out before the s*** hits is the way to go, power or not.

And, hey, bailing on a second-term-run doesn't seem to have killed Romney (although, Romney was likely to lose in MA... Brownback would win a second term because there isn't a single Kansas Democrat besides Sebelius with 10% name recognition in the state... and that includes the 2010 nominee).


You give him a hell of a lot more credit than I do. And you're definitely right that the GOP has the governor's office basically sewn up with the lack of prominent Democrats in the state. Some days, I wish that we could just nuke the entire state from orbit.
 
2012-06-26 03:37:38 PM
Not sure if someone brought it up or if it actually exists but is there a campaign ad yet just showing all the people running away from the VP slot?
 
2012-06-26 03:40:54 PM

mrshowrules: Not sure if someone brought it up or if it actually exists but is there a campaign ad yet just showing all the people running away from the VP slot?


I think it would have to be a feature-length movie rather than a 30-second TV ad at this point.
 
2012-06-26 03:55:49 PM
Just for the record I don't want it either. That way when he doesn't pick me I can say it was my choice. You have to laugh when people not even being considered say they don't want it. A political ego is a delicate thing.
 
2012-06-26 03:56:04 PM
The main problem with Rubio is that, just like Rice, he has stated over and over again that he's not interested in being the VP. The polite thing for Rubio, or Rice, to say would be, "I'm sure there are people more suited to that important job than me, but if Candidate Romney calls, I'll answer." Not "I'm not interested and will not run."
 
2012-06-26 04:05:38 PM

mrshowrules: carrion_luggage: Don't Troll Me Bro!: carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

And who might that be?

R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.

Who the hell is Gedss?


RIP G.E.D.'s

newspaper.li
 
2012-06-26 04:47:16 PM

tcan: I find it amusing that the all the haters out there are wasting their time dumping on VP picks that are not going to happen. Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?), he's not going to pick someone too controversial or too young and he needs someone who knows how Washington works. Look for him to pick a current or former Senator with executive experience. I'm guessing the person would need to be at least 55 years old and probably from a swing state. He's nothing if not careful.


lol arent you a Bush supporter?

I bet you and Glenn Beck are using the same electoral map.

Good luck with that.
 
2012-06-26 05:02:08 PM

tcan: Romney doesn't need to shore up the conservative base(who else will they vote for?)


No one. That's the problem. He has to shore up the conservative vote because right now many of them will just stay home. They won't care if there's not someone on the ballot that makes them want to get up and go the polls. Right now, conservatives have a lukewarm Republican from a blue state who occasionally stands for their values when it suits him, and never with any conviction.

Romney is vanilla ice cream. People aren't going to care if you add a glass of tepid water on the side. On the other hand, he can't add a jalapenos and a bottle of Tabasco, either. If he chooses poorly, it could a) add nothing and leave registered Republicans at all-time low participation, or b) overshadow him and detract from a message, causing controversy and loss of faith in the ticket.

This is NOT an easy choice, because the candidate is fairly weak.
 
2012-06-26 05:46:47 PM
www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com

RICE: We were not presented with a plan.

BOB KERREY, FORMER U.S. SENATOR: Well, that's not true. It is not...

RICE: We were not presented. We were presented with...

KERREY: I've heard you say that, Dr. Clarke, that 25 January, 2001, memo was declassified, I don't believe...

RICE: That January 25 memo has a series of actionable items having to do with Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance.


How do they keep getting away with this shiat and still have careers?
 
2012-06-26 06:17:31 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: carrion_luggage: Don't Troll Me Bro!: carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

And who might that be?

R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.

Even if he is the pick, it won't have the desired effect (getting more Latinos to vote for Money).


He's a HINO?
 
2012-06-26 07:01:22 PM
Pro-choice black woman who is rumored to be a lesbian?

Wanna see Texas go blue? Put her on the ticket just to see what happens. The right wing bigots might have held their noses and voted for the Mormon but voting for the Mormon/Negress ticket? Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
 
2012-06-26 08:29:40 PM
There was this one really hot shopped pic of her as a dominatrix in like Maxim or FHM a few years ago that I came here to see and am leaving disappoint
 
2012-06-26 09:17:29 PM
images.wikia.com
Dayummm crazy crackers
 
2012-06-26 10:57:39 PM

xxysyndrome: Condoleezza Rice: But I don't remember the al‐Qaida cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
Richard Ben-Veniste: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB [Presidential Daily Briefing] warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
Condoleezza Rice: I believe the title was, Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.

/historical document


If you knew there were terrorist cells in your own country why would you need to be told that you needed to do something about them? There weren't in the US for a nice vacation after all.
 
2012-06-26 10:59:28 PM

Serious Black: carrion_luggage: Right, she has no interest.
Unequivocal about it too.
But people keep floating her name.
I don't get it.
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

For those who didn't get it on first glance. And I don't see any way Rubio is picked. The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has, if not even less since he has been working in government since the time he graduated from law school whereas Obama served as a private civil rights attorney for a number of years.


That's actually a very strange criticism. Any new president has no experience at being president.
 
2012-06-26 11:02:09 PM

bhcompy: Khellendros: Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?

Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

/oh noes, your political party is full of hypocrites
//welcome to every political party


Democrats criticize Palin for the outrageously stupid things she says.
 
2012-06-26 11:06:54 PM

kg2095: Serious Black: carrion_luggage: Right, she has no interest.
Unequivocal about it too.
But people keep floating her name.
I don't get it.
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

For those who didn't get it on first glance. And I don't see any way Rubio is picked. The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has, if not even less since he has been working in government since the time he graduated from law school whereas Obama served as a private civil rights attorney for a number of years.

That's actually a very strange criticism. Any new president has no experience at being president.


We should only be electing people with presidential experience and not all these lawyers and ex-governors and shiat. Only ex-presidents should be allowed to run for president.
 
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