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2012-06-26 11:17:04 AM
Gotta make a move to a town thats right for me

Gotta keep a herpin and a derpin with the energy

Well I lie about it lie about it lie about it lie about it

Lie about lie about lie about everything.

Won't you take me to

Romneytown

Won't you take me to

Romneytown.
 
2012-06-26 11:21:21 AM
Right, she has no interest.
Unequivocal about it too.
But people keep floating her name.
I don't get it.
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.
 
2012-06-26 11:22:01 AM

carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.


And who might that be?
 
2012-06-26 11:22:34 AM

carrion_luggage: Right, she has no interest.
Unequivocal about it too.
But people keep floating her name.
I don't get it.
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.


We do?
 
2012-06-26 11:23:29 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

And who might that be?


R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.
 
2012-06-26 11:23:44 AM
At this rate, the only person who will want to be Mitt Romney's VP is Mitt Romney.
 
2012-06-26 11:24:33 AM
Condoleezza Rice: But I don't remember the al‐Qaida cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
Richard Ben-Veniste: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB [Presidential Daily Briefing] warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
Condoleezza Rice: I believe the title was, Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.

/historical document
 
2012-06-26 11:25:24 AM

carrion_luggage:
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.



No, we really don't. Much like most of the others who have said they wouldn't consider being picked, she knows it would be political suicide to attach her name to his. In spite of her being attached to the Bush administration, she's one of the relatively sane members of the Republican party, which could give her a good shot at a good position in 2016 (Whether that be president, VP, or part of the cabinet somewhere). Riding with the derpfest crazytrain would be like shooting herself in the foot.
 
2012-06-26 11:26:18 AM
And the world breathes a sigh of relief....

teachdylan.files.wordpress.com

www.texansforpeace.org
 
2012-06-26 11:28:26 AM
Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.
 
2012-06-26 11:30:53 AM

carrion_luggage: Right, she has no interest.
Unequivocal about it too.
But people keep floating her name.
I don't get it.
Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.


For those who didn't get it on first glance. And I don't see any way Rubio is picked. The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has, if not even less since he has been working in government since the time he graduated from law school whereas Obama served as a private civil rights attorney for a number of years.
 
2012-06-26 11:31:42 AM

carrion_luggage: Don't Troll Me Bro!: carrion_luggage: Oh well, we all know who it's going to be.

And who might that be?

R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.


Even if he is the pick, it won't have the desired effect (getting more Latinos to vote for Money).
 
2012-06-26 11:36:34 AM

Serious Black: The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has


Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?
 
2012-06-26 11:37:14 AM
There are many signs that Willard is in trouble. The fact that a poorly regarded failed bureaucrat who has consistently rejected all attempts to be drawn into elective office has specified that she isn't interested in running as his VP is not one of them. The last thing Willard needs to do is associate himself with the Bush legacy.
 
2012-06-26 11:37:33 AM

thornhill: Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.


The VP and VP candidates of late have mostly been career legislators with no real chance at the presidency and no history of major aspirations towards it, Senators for decades and the like. I don't think Hillary would want to be Obama's VP if asked, either(and perhaps she was before it was given to Biden, I don't know). I don't think any presidential candidate wants to choose someone who has real aspirations to the office after they leave as it means, among other things, they'll be forced to question the president on policy that they don't agree with or would be negative towards their own candidacy, particularly in the sitting president's second term where they do not have to worry about being elected again(which is where Obama, if reelected, will push hard on much of his more divisive agenda items, and, since Biden has no presidential future, will not have to worry about support within his office).
 
2012-06-26 11:37:50 AM
Didn't she already turn it down back in April?
 
2012-06-26 11:38:45 AM

salvador.hardin: There are many signs that Willard is in trouble. The fact that a poorly regarded failed bureaucrat who has consistently rejected all attempts to be drawn into elective office has specified that she isn't interested in running as his VP is not one of them. The last thing Willard needs to do is further associate himself with the Bush legacy.


He's already got Bush's foreign policy and economic teams. Why not pick up his former NSA and Secretary of State as Vice President?
 
2012-06-26 11:39:38 AM

Khellendros: Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?


Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

/oh noes, your political party is full of hypocrites
//welcome to every political party
 
2012-06-26 11:39:45 AM
Well, that pretty definitively answers my question from yesterday's Romney retreat thread.

Who is still around to fill the VP slot? I think Paul Ryan or Rand Paul are about the only two legitimate people who might still be in the running and have a shot with the Republican base.
 
2012-06-26 11:40:45 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Even if he is the pick, it won't have the desired effect (getting more Latinos to vote for Money).


Best case scenario is Rubio attracts some Lats with his (relatively) moderate stances on immigration reform, maybe even a Blue Dog or two that's disappointed in Obama and swayed by the AGREE Act. But you still have a substantial piece of your constituency that is wildly xenophobic and will perceive Rubio's appointment as VP as another furriner taking an American job, and as someone who represents that phenomenon occurring across the country.

Not that people like that are gonna turn around and vote for Obama, obviously, but this is another scenario where Romney's decisions will break him even with his fractured base.
 
2012-06-26 11:41:21 AM

Khellendros: Serious Black: The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has

Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?


Probably, but if the GOP isn't going to police their side, I'm damn sure going to do it for them.
 
2012-06-26 11:44:55 AM

quizzical: Well, that pretty definitively answers my question from yesterday's Romney retreat thread.

Who is still around to fill the VP slot? I think Paul Ryan or Rand Paul are about the only two legitimate people who might still be in the running and have a shot with the Republican base.


The last VP poll I found showed adding Paul Ryan to the ticket would reduce Romney's vote by 2%. His budget plan is toxic to most of the country, especially when you explain that it would literally involve shutting down every function of the federal government besides the military and Medicare. As for Rand Paul, how the hell would Romney, a guy that has all but declared he would nuke Iran, handle a counterpart that believes war with Iran is unconscionable?
 
2012-06-26 11:46:55 AM
It's hard to find someone to stand up with you when the likely result is public humiliation.
 
2012-06-26 11:47:22 AM
Romneybot 2012 doesn't have a chance. The GOP would be better off pulling money away from him and focusing on congress.

Also, Romney has almost all of Bush's neocon advisors.....I don't think anyone wants to deal with that sh@tstorm of an administration.
 
2012-06-26 11:48:02 AM

bhcompy: Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?


No, Democrats criticized Palin for being incredibly, unbelievably retarded.
 
2012-06-26 11:48:09 AM
carrion_luggage:

R U kidding?
Unless you're
Blind,
It's
Obvious.

Good Stuff
 
2012-06-26 11:49:12 AM

bhcompy: Khellendros: Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?

Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

/oh noes, your political party is full of hypocrites
//welcome to every political party


Democrats didn't criticize Palin for her inexperience, they criticized her because she was a farking idiot.

It's going to be Rubio or McDonnell, either of whom will give Rmoney a key swing state. Rubio would be preferable because he's a darling of the Teabaggers and would help to ensure they really get behind Rmoney.
 
2012-06-26 11:49:41 AM

bhcompy: Khellendros: Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?

Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

/oh noes, your political party is full of hypocrites
//welcome to every political party


Wow, the giant piles of incorrect assumptions and illogical leaps you made about my intent and beliefs in those statements...

The point stands - Rubio will not be excluded on experiential grounds because Republicans accused Obama of having low experience four years ago. It won't even cross their minds. If they think he can rope in votes, and he'll take the job, they'll choose him. They're not going to exclude someone they think is a winner based off of a 4-year old talking point that was irrelevant when they made the claim.
 
2012-06-26 11:50:19 AM

Serious Black: Khellendros: Serious Black: The big complaint against Obama is that he was inexperienced and in over his head as President. Rubio has essentially the same amount of experience that Obama has

Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?

Probably, but if the GOP isn't going to police their side, I'm damn sure going to do it for them.


Fair enough.
 
2012-06-26 11:50:41 AM
I'm willing to wager that whoever the running mate turns out to be will have at least professed no interest in the position or even stated unequivocally that they would turn it down.
 
2012-06-26 11:53:11 AM

xxysyndrome: Condoleezza Rice: But I don't remember the al‐Qaida cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
Richard Ben-Veniste: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB [Presidential Daily Briefing] warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
Condoleezza Rice: I believe the title was, Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.

/historical document


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2012-06-26 11:54:12 AM
Latinos are not going to come out for Romney in big numbers unless he starts wearing a sombrero and picks Sofia Vergara as his VP.
 
2012-06-26 11:56:03 AM

Freakman: Latinos are not going to come out for Romney in big numbers unless he starts wearing a sombrero and picks Sofia Vergara as his VP.


I'd like to put her on my ticket, if you know what I mean.
 
2012-06-26 11:58:52 AM
Oh, fine. I'll do it.
 
2012-06-26 11:58:54 AM

bhcompy: thornhill: Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.

The VP and VP candidates of late have mostly been career legislators with no real chance at the presidency and no history of major aspirations towards it, Senators for decades and the like. I don't think Hillary would want to be Obama's VP if asked, either(and perhaps she was before it was given to Biden, I don't know). I don't think any presidential candidate wants to choose someone who has real aspirations to the office after they leave as it means, among other things, they'll be forced to question the president on policy that they don't agree with or would be negative towards their own candidacy, particularly in the sitting president's second term where they do not have to worry about being elected again(which is where Obama, if reelected, will push hard on much of his more divisive agenda items, and, since Biden has no presidential future, will not have to worry about support within his office).


Totally disagree. Being VP is the best platform for running for President. Cheney is the only sitting VP since 1952 not to seek his Party's nomination and win it:

Gore: 2000
HW Bush: 1988
Humphrey: 1968
Nixon: 1960

Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

The advantage of being VP is 1) You keep your name in the press; 2) Get to do puffy popular things; 3) Take credit for everything positive the President did; 4) Not have vote on any contentiousness legislation so you have no recent vote record to be attacked on (unless there is a tie in the Senate); 6) When running for President make yourself out to be independent minded by criticizing everything unpopular your former boss did; and 6) Most obviously, unless you're a total screw up, you win the argument on being qualified to be president.
 
2012-06-26 11:59:14 AM
At least she's till white and OJs black again.
 
2012-06-26 12:01:39 PM

Serious Black: At this rate, the only person who will want to be Mitt Romney's VP is Mitt Romney.


Not likely. They'll never agree on anything.
 
2012-06-26 12:08:08 PM

thornhill: bhcompy: thornhill: Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.

The VP and VP candidates of late have mostly been career legislators with no real chance at the presidency and no history of major aspirations towards it, Senators for decades and the like. I don't think Hillary would want to be Obama's VP if asked, either(and perhaps she was before it was given to Biden, I don't know). I don't think any presidential candidate wants to choose someone who has real aspirations to the office after they leave as it means, among other things, they'll be forced to question the president on policy that they don't agree with or would be negative towards their own candidacy, particularly in the sitting president's second term where they do not have to worry about being elected again(which is where Obama, if reelected, will push hard on much of his more divisive agenda items, and, since Biden has no presidential future, will not have to worry about support within his office).

Totally disagree. Being VP is the best platform for running for President. Cheney is the only sitting VP since 1952 not to seek his Party's nomination and win it:

Gore: 2000
HW Bush: 1988
Humphrey: 1968
Nixon: 1960

Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

The advantage of being VP is 1) You keep your name in the press; 2) Get to do puffy popular things; 3) Take credit for everything positive the President did; 4) Not have vote on any contentiousness legislation so you have no recent vote record to be attacked on (unless there is a tie in the Senate); 6) When running for President make yourself out to be independent minded by criticizing everything unpopular your former boss did; and 6) Most obviously, unless you're a total screw up, you win the argument on being qualified to be president.


Its a long ticket to a single term. Only Jefferson, T. Roosevelt, and Nixon have gone from VP to win two presidential elections (and Nixon lost his first attempt). I think the Cheney model, the experienced elder, is going to be the standard for a while. It makes more sense than the stepping stone model.
 
2012-06-26 12:08:38 PM
Was hoping for a condi pics thread. Leaving disappoint
 
2012-06-26 12:08:42 PM
Well in her defense, I think she's still pretty tied up looking for those WMDs in Iraq.
 
2012-06-26 12:09:18 PM

NeoCortex42: Serious Black: At this rate, the only person who will want to be Mitt Romney's VP is Mitt Romney.

Not likely. They'll never agree on anything.


golf clap
 
2012-06-26 12:11:52 PM

thornhill: bhcompy: thornhill: Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.

The VP and VP candidates of late have mostly been career legislators with no real chance at the presidency and no history of major aspirations towards it, Senators for decades and the like. I don't think Hillary would want to be Obama's VP if asked, either(and perhaps she was before it was given to Biden, I don't know). I don't think any presidential candidate wants to choose someone who has real aspirations to the office after they leave as it means, among other things, they'll be forced to question the president on policy that they don't agree with or would be negative towards their own candidacy, particularly in the sitting president's second term where they do not have to worry about being elected again(which is where Obama, if reelected, will push hard on much of his more divisive agenda items, and, since Biden has no presidential future, will not have to worry about support within his office).

Totally disagree. Being VP is the best platform for running for President. Cheney is the only sitting VP since 1952 not to seek his Party's nomination and win it:

Gore: 2000
HW Bush: 1988
Humphrey: 1968
Nixon: 1960

Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

The advantage of being VP is 1) You keep your name in the press; 2) Get to do puffy popular things; 3) Take credit for everything positive the President did; 4) Not have vote on any contentiousness legislation so you have no recent vote record to be attacked on (unless there is a tie in the Senate); 6) When running for President make yourself out to be independent minded by criticizing everything unpopular your former boss did; and 6) Most obviously, unless you'r ...


Not going to have to worry about ties in the Senate ever again. The revamped filibuster has seen to that.
 
2012-06-26 12:12:26 PM

thornhill: Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.


Dear god, the idea of Biden running on the top of a ticket scares me. I hope so much that Mark Warner finally bites the bullet and enters the race for 2016.
 
2012-06-26 12:15:54 PM
Nice job subtroll.

When quoting someone (you know, using quotation marks) in the non-troll world you put exactly what they said.

Let me help you:

Rice said, "I didn't run for student council president. I don't see myself in any way in elective office."

Rice also said, "there is no way that I will do this because it's really not me. I know my strengths and weaknesses." She said Romney will pick a strong running mate and she'll support the ticket.

Not your made up:

Condoleeza Rice. "There's no way I'd be Romney's VP"

5/10 because I bit.
 
2012-06-26 12:16:07 PM

Serious Black: At this rate, the only person who will want to be Mitt Romney's VP is Mitt Romney.


It would be refreshing to have a VP not afraid to voice opinions that differ dramatically from the President. The conversations could be very constructive towards reaching good solutions to some tough problems.
 
2012-06-26 12:17:40 PM

Supes: thornhill: Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

Dear god, the idea of Biden running on the top of a ticket scares me. I hope so much that Mark Warner finally bites the bullet and enters the race for 2016.


Hickenlooper!
 
2012-06-26 12:18:25 PM

MilesTeg: Nice job subtroll.

When quoting someone (you know, using quotation marks) in the non-troll world you put exactly what they said.

Let me help you:

Rice said, "I didn't run for student council president. I don't see myself in any way in elective office."

Rice also said, "there is no way that I will do this because it's really not me. I know my strengths and weaknesses." She said Romney will pick a strong running mate and she'll support the ticket.

Not your made up:

Condoleeza Rice. "There's no way I'd be Romney's VP"

5/10 because I bit.


So, in your mind, "there is no way I'd do this" is somehow different from "there's no way I'd be Romney's VP"?
 
2012-06-26 12:21:06 PM
As the room slowly empties out, the twangy female voice at the back of the room gets louder and louder, "Mitt! Hey, Miiiiitt!! I won't tank you like I did McCain!! Miiiiiiiiiiiiitt!!!!!"
 
2012-06-26 12:22:39 PM

bhcompy: Khellendros: Wait, you're expecting Republicans to put the same measures on their own candidates as they do to Obama? Are you farking high?

Because Democrats didn't criticize Palin for the same?

/oh noes, your political party is full of hypocrites
//welcome to every political party


No, Democrats criticized Palin for being an idiot.
 
2012-06-26 12:23:45 PM

thornhill: bhcompy: thornhill: Yawn. Everyone always says they have zero interest. No one wants to come out and say they'd want to be VP or at the least would do it if asked, only to be never asked.

The VP and VP candidates of late have mostly been career legislators with no real chance at the presidency and no history of major aspirations towards it, Senators for decades and the like. I don't think Hillary would want to be Obama's VP if asked, either(and perhaps she was before it was given to Biden, I don't know). I don't think any presidential candidate wants to choose someone who has real aspirations to the office after they leave as it means, among other things, they'll be forced to question the president on policy that they don't agree with or would be negative towards their own candidacy, particularly in the sitting president's second term where they do not have to worry about being elected again(which is where Obama, if reelected, will push hard on much of his more divisive agenda items, and, since Biden has no presidential future, will not have to worry about support within his office).

Totally disagree. Being VP is the best platform for running for President. Cheney is the only sitting VP since 1952 not to seek his Party's nomination and win it:

Gore: 2000
HW Bush: 1988
Humphrey: 1968
Nixon: 1960

Biden has made clear that he's still interested in running for President, and that's no doubt why he gave up his seniority in the Senate to become VP. Had Clinton been asked in 2008 she too would have done it.

The advantage of being VP is 1) You keep your name in the press; 2) Get to do puffy popular things; 3) Take credit for everything positive the President did; 4) Not have vote on any contentiousness legislation so you have no recent vote record to be attacked on (unless there is a tie in the Senate); 6) When running for President make yourself out to be independent minded by criticizing everything unpopular your former boss did; and 6) Most obviously, unless you'r ...


Biden/Kucinich 2016! Woot!

I think I'll start my letter writing campaign today.
 
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