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2012-06-26 02:14:05 PM  

cuzsis: So yeah, while it might be annoying for you, it's perfectly normal. Just shrug it off and give yourself some space when it starts driving you up the wall. ;)


Fair enough. I don't think there's a chemical responsible for the "Here's a pic of my belly at day 112." but I think I can understand everything that comes after. It's annoying at times, sure, but nothing unexpected.

The "omg I love my new husband so so so so so much he is so the best husband in the world because we watched TV together and ate ice cream squeeeeeee!" posts, on the other hand, deserve a painful deletion.
 
2012-06-26 02:17:10 PM  

captcaveman: It forwards to your private email. Its actually a good thing people!! It protects you from giving out your email to spammers!!


Isn't it the opposite? It means that if you can verify that a Facebook URL exists (which is trivial), you can spam the associated e-mail address, even of a private account, with a guarantee of it hitting the real one at the other end, while bypassing any spam filters if the user has white-listed Facebook?

Oh, and it undoubtedly lets FB scrape all the mail as it travels through the forwarder.

theurge14: Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.


They have that, it's the options labeled "Unsubscribe from [person's name]" and "Unfriend."
 
2012-06-26 02:19:46 PM  

ProfessorOhki: theurge14: Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.

They have that, it's the options labeled "Unsubscribe from [person's name]" and "Unfriend."


Madness! I can't unfriend that one Jesus-obsessed ex-girlfriend! How will she be able to get in contact with me if she ever wants that one last crazy night of debauchery...
 
2012-06-26 02:24:07 PM  

katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.


Some of us like our email to go to... well, our email.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:04 PM  

theurge14: UnspokenVoice: Karma Chameleon: theurge14: Coco LaFemme: theurge14: Coco LaFemme:

Oh yeah, I also got sick of all the Jesus shiat too, especially since the fact I'm an atheist isn't a secret. Or the fact my boyfriend is Jewish. I had one person ask me why he and I didn't go to church more regularly. Umm, my boyfriend goes to temple on Saturdays like a good little Jew, and I don't believe in God.....so we just sleep in on Sundays, rather than go sit on an uncomfortable wooden bench and listen to an old man blather on about how we're all going to burn in hell lest we repent and find the Lord.

It's offensive as shiat, and it should be even to them. I remember one was a picture of an iPhone with Jesus's picture on it calling. Caption was "LIKE IF YOU WOULD ANSWER IT". I mean, are you farking serious? Do I even need to begin to explain how shiatty that is on different levels? But I don't because there's no point. Pissing into the wind.

It's almost like they wanted to bait me into an argument, and whenever I wouldn't respond after a while, they'd send it again, thinking I didn't get it.

Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.

Hey, I hate obnoxious Christians as much as the next sane person, but really? Hitting page down requires a great amount of effort?

I wonder if it would filter people out who spelled 'alot' like it was an actual word.

I would stab you alot.


Look out folks, we got a bad one over here.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:47 PM  

UnspokenVoice: theurge14: UnspokenVoice: Karma Chameleon: theurge14: Coco LaFemme: theurge14: Coco LaFemme:

Oh yeah, I also got sick of all the Jesus shiat too, especially since the fact I'm an atheist isn't a secret. Or the fact my boyfriend is Jewish. I had one person ask me why he and I didn't go to church more regularly. Umm, my boyfriend goes to temple on Saturdays like a good little Jew, and I don't believe in God.....so we just sleep in on Sundays, rather than go sit on an uncomfortable wooden bench and listen to an old man blather on about how we're all going to burn in hell lest we repent and find the Lord.

It's offensive as shiat, and it should be even to them. I remember one was a picture of an iPhone with Jesus's picture on it calling. Caption was "LIKE IF YOU WOULD ANSWER IT". I mean, are you farking serious? Do I even need to begin to explain how shiatty that is on different levels? But I don't because there's no point. Pissing into the wind.

It's almost like they wanted to bait me into an argument, and whenever I wouldn't respond after a while, they'd send it again, thinking I didn't get it.

Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.

Hey, I hate obnoxious Christians as much as the next sane person, but really? Hitting page down requires a great amount of effort?

I wonder if it would filter people out who spelled 'alot' like it was an actual word.

I would stab you alot.

Look out folks, we got a bad one over here.


Press Like if you like bad ones.
 
2012-06-26 02:28:08 PM  

theurge14: ProfessorOhki: theurge14: Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.

They have that, it's the options labeled "Unsubscribe from [person's name]" and "Unfriend."

Madness! I can't unfriend that one Jesus-obsessed ex-girlfriend! How will she be able to get in contact with me if she ever wants that one last crazy night of debauchery...


Just put her in a cave and seal it with a giant rock.
 
2012-06-26 02:28:55 PM  

theurge14: ProfessorOhki: theurge14: Oh yes, the whole wear you out until you give in thing. Normally I can ignore that shiat in public but on FB it's relentless because it requires very little effort on their part and a great amount of effort of me pressing Page Down alot. I would pay money to Facebook premium access for Stupid Filters for that.

They have that, it's the options labeled "Unsubscribe from [person's name]" and "Unfriend."

Madness! I can't unfriend that one Jesus-obsessed ex-girlfriend! How will she be able to get in contact with me if she ever wants that one last crazy night of debauchery...


That's what unsubscribe is for: you still get the targeted derp, just not the broadcast derp.
 
2012-06-26 02:31:04 PM  
I heart you so much right now.
 
2012-06-26 02:43:04 PM  
Attention facebook users:

You are not the customers of facebook. You are the product.
 
2012-06-26 02:44:00 PM  
I like how the Marketplace Tech Report put it: "If a service is free, you're not the customer; you're the product."
 
2012-06-26 02:45:08 PM  
*shakes fist of nerdrage at kregh99*
 
2012-06-26 02:54:37 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: maliklockett: If you are the product, you don't have any rights. Since when does the chicken get to choose between KFC and Popeyes?

If this is supposed to be an FB analogy, that's precisely the choice that the chicken has. If your "product" has the ability to take itself off of the shelves, you can't ignore the "products" interests without consequence. (See also: MySpace)

In other words, this is a bad analogy and people really should stop using it as though they were making some sort of valid point.


No, I'm saying that that there is difference between a "right" and a "opinion"

A customer does NOT have a "right" to have a say in how a company operates, they may have an "opinion" and the option to take their business elswhere, but they do not have a vote.
 
2012-06-26 03:10:59 PM  

kregh99: Attention facebook users:

You are not the customers of facebook. You are the product.


You know, I wonder at the wild naivete of people who post things like this (assuming they just aren't being ironic trolls themselves).

I can't be a customer of a service that I haven't spent a dollar towards. Facebook has some amusing time killing games, and has let me connect with people that I had lost given up as lost 15 years ago. It's done me no harm, and I haven't supported anything it has done other than clicking on some stupid games.

Yes I know Facebook wants me to spend a lot of money. I understand that. But I don't. Problem solved.

Do you really think you are some wise old man or something?
 
2012-06-26 03:15:04 PM  
You'll never see anyone whine and scream that they should sign up for Facebook.

However, you certainly see a lot of whining and screaming from people who REFUSE TO DO SO BECAUSE OMG PRIVACY AND SHEEPLE
 
2012-06-26 03:42:09 PM  

SharkTrager: If someone finds me on Facebook I'm OK with them messaging me there unless I give them my actual email address.


I figured if someone finds me on Facebook they can go through the preexisting channels for sending me a message. Why expose an email address needlessly on a system already designed to send messages.
 
2012-06-26 04:02:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.

Some of us like our email to go to... well, our email.


I prefer not to share my email address on FB. All of my friends already have it, they don't need to look at FB to get it. I used the FB messenger quite frequently and that's were the new email lands. You can change it if you wish.

/mountain, molehills and all that
 
2012-06-26 04:08:27 PM  

maliklockett: In other words, this is a bad analogy and people really should stop using it as though they were making some sort of valid point.

No, I'm saying that that there is difference between a "right" and a "opinion"

A customer does NOT have a "right" to have a say in how a company operates, they may have an "opinion" and the option to take their business elswhere, but they do not have a vote.


In that case, I'm not sure why you're referring to the customers as products and comparing their options to a chicken's choice between KFC and Popeyes (which suggests that they're entirely powerless, which is not at all correct).

Whatever, though. If that's what you meant, then I agree. However, the ability to take your business elsewhere does give consumers a great amount of potential leverage. It's not a right, but it's certainly a kind of vote; the sort that shareholders are most likely to pay attention to, in fact.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:48 PM  

Keigh: I might care if i had ever allowed my email address to be visible on facebook, but I actually *use* privacy settings.


^^^^^^^^
 
2012-06-26 04:17:25 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: I like how the Marketplace Tech Report put it: "If a service is free, you're not the customer; you're the product."


People keep repeating this like it means something profound. It doesn't. It's not even banal; it's flat-out misleading.

A better analogy is television. You're the audience, and your attention is what the advertisers care about, which means that making you happy is very farking important to the business because if the audience leaves then so do the advertisers, which means that if they don't make you happy, their business collapses.

You may not be directly paying the bills over there, but you are the one's who are ultimately keeping the lights on for them.
 
2012-06-26 04:17:31 PM  

PYROY: katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.

NO, WE MUST BE OUTRAGED ALL OF OUR PERSONAL INFORMATION IS BEING SOLD OR SOME CRAP LIKE THAT!!!!


Well, I think some people want to be emailed directly. Me, though, I enjoy the new layer of privacy.

/I'm the off-the-grid libertarian of the internet
//No one can find a damn thing about me under my real name
///And that's the way I like it.
 
2012-06-26 04:21:16 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: maliklockett: In other words, this is a bad analogy and people really should stop using it as though they were making some sort of valid point.

No, I'm saying that that there is difference between a "right" and a "opinion"

A customer does NOT have a "right" to have a say in how a company operates, they may have an "opinion" and the option to take their business elswhere, but they do not have a vote.

In that case, I'm not sure why you're referring to the customers as products and comparing their options to a chicken's choice between KFC and Popeyes (which suggests that they're entirely powerless, which is not at all correct).

Whatever, though. If that's what you meant, then I agree. However, the ability to take your business elsewhere does give consumers a great amount of potential leverage. It's not a right, but it's certainly a kind of vote; the sort that shareholders are most likely to pay attention to, in fact.


My original post was a response to this


fireclown: theurge14: Yes, that's a realistic response. "Hey everyone, please switch to another social site of my choosing so I may interact with you freely because I'm not allowed to biatch about the problems I have with this free one, according to this one person on the interweb." That's the ticket.

It isn't free, and I'm the product. And as the producer of data that they are selling I reserve the right to make some demands.


This was where I started harping on the idea that someone claiming to be "product" could claim a right to demand input into the running of the company
 
2012-06-26 04:41:27 PM  

maliklockett: It isn't free, and I'm the product. And as the producer of data that they are selling I reserve the right to make some demands.

This was where I started harping on the idea that someone claiming to be "product" could claim a right to demand input into the running of the company


You don't see farmers out in the field stomping on it their corn and refusing to water it because it gets to grow there for free.

/avoided the car analogy
 
2012-06-26 04:48:00 PM  

katerbug72: HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.

Some of us like our email to go to... well, our email.

I prefer not to share my email address on FB. All of my friends already have it, they don't need to look at FB to get it. I used the FB messenger quite frequently and that's were the new email lands. You can change it if you wish.

/mountain, molehills and all that


Yeah, but it's still kind of a shiatty thing to do to force this change on everybody and make anybody who doesn't like it change it back. This feature should have been opt-in for current users, not opt-out.
 
2012-06-26 05:35:06 PM  
Mine didn't change. Is my Facebook broken??
 
2012-06-26 05:57:01 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that Facebook users aren't the customers, but the product?
 
2012-06-26 05:59:00 PM  

raptormh: Has anyone mentioned that Facebook users aren't the customers, but the product?


Someone should make a car analogy to illustrate this point.
 
2012-06-26 06:04:09 PM  

HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.

Some of us like our email to go to... well, our email.

I prefer not to share my email address on FB. All of my friends already have it, they don't need to look at FB to get it. I used the FB messenger quite frequently and that's were the new email lands. You can change it if you wish.

/mountain, molehills and all that

Yeah, but it's still kind of a shiatty thing to do to force this change on everybody and make anybody who doesn't like it change it back. This feature should have been opt-in for current users, not opt-out.


Good point. FB is not known for implementing opt-in updates. I just roll with it. I don't put anything on there that I wouldn't want the general public to see but I also set everything to friends only. I'm not sure why there are so many people who don't set to private. I had my email sent to 'me only' anyway.
 
2012-06-26 06:06:22 PM  

craig328: Seems a fair chunk of Fark is representing the lower side of the average IQ spectrum today.

If you have a FB account and you're getting spammed by status updates you don't want to see, you have the ability to set those friends as acquaintances, close friends and family. Then you filter what updates you see by those friend levels. It's not all that hard to do. Plus, you know, you don't need to try and friend every single person you see on FB.

FB can indeed be a useful tool for keeping up with folks you actually care about keeping up with. Takes a little effort and a smidge of brain is all. Just sayin'...


Precisely.

I use my Facebook for a few things:
1. connect with friends and family I don't see as often as I'd like
2. network with associates and industry contacts

It's for casual contact, the equivalent of bumping into a friend while you're shopping. You can choose to ignore what you see, or you can choose to interact with it.

You can control nearly every aspect of how you interact on facebook with the simplest of efforts.

Here's how I keep it useful and relevant.
1. I disable ALL notification to my private email address; I only receive Facebook's notifications about changes and other account info -- and they do NOT spam me with this stuff, so it's useful.
2. I block ALL game and app requests and auto-updates the very first time I see them.
3. I don't use Foursquare. You want to know where I am, ask me.
4. I don't link all my accounts to it. Just the few Zynga games that I need to.
5. If an app asks for something I don't want to give it, I say NO.
6. I reduce many folks to "Only Important Updates" if their signal-to-noise ratio is low. If all you do is repost silly pictures, you're hidden.
7. I hide all posts by people who do nothing but talk about their relationship with their deity of choice. Or their politics, if they're strident about it.
8. I don't accept friend requests from people I don't actually know. And I don't ever feel guilty about it. (I have a number of friends in the entertainment industry and have some visibility among certain fan circles, so I get a lot of requests by people who are trying to get closer to their favorite celebrity.)

If we chatted at a party and I enjoyed talking to you, fine; if you are a friend of a friend and you thought my comments on that mutual friend's post were funny.... maybe, but probably not until we've actually conversed.

Honestly, even with all that, I probably still see updates from teh 100+ most active of over 700 friends/contacts -- and have a backlog of about a hundred friend requests. Just a consequence of my job, really. It's fun to stay in contact with most of them, but I like that I can step away and come back --- I choose to set the terms for how I interact with Facebook, and they keep giving me tools to better manage it.
 
2012-06-26 06:58:19 PM  

katerbug72: HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: HeartBurnKid: katerbug72: Meh, it just goes to your messages.

Some of us like our email to go to... well, our email.

I prefer not to share my email address on FB. All of my friends already have it, they don't need to look at FB to get it. I used the FB messenger quite frequently and that's were the new email lands. You can change it if you wish.

/mountain, molehills and all that

Yeah, but it's still kind of a shiatty thing to do to force this change on everybody and make anybody who doesn't like it change it back. This feature should have been opt-in for current users, not opt-out.

Good point. FB is not known for implementing opt-in updates. I just roll with it. I don't put anything on there that I wouldn't want the general public to see but I also set everything to friends only. I'm not sure why there are so many people who don't set to private. I had my email sent to 'me only' anyway.


I keep mine set to "Friends Only"; that way my friends can get it but the spambots can't.
 
2012-06-26 07:36:53 PM  

Bill Frist: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Are they taking away your old email address(es)? No? So how is this a problem? Sounds kinda useful to me.

Lots of people use Facebook to look up actual email address when they need to actually email somebody. If everyone's actual email addresses have been wiped from their facebook pages, well, you can't find their email address anymore...


That's the endgame - they are trying to set up their own private network.

I never used Facebook because it's shielded from search engines. That alone screams "EVIL! EEEEEVIL!!!!".

Besides that, I don't see the utility.
 
2012-06-26 07:47:26 PM  
GRID OR AIDS
 
2012-06-26 07:59:56 PM  

Mister Peejay: Bill Frist: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Are they taking away your old email address(es)? No? So how is this a problem? Sounds kinda useful to me.

Lots of people use Facebook to look up actual email address when they need to actually email somebody. If everyone's actual email addresses have been wiped from their facebook pages, well, you can't find their email address anymore...

That's the endgame - they are trying to set up their own private network.

I never used Facebook because it's shielded from search engines. That alone screams "EVIL! EEEEEVIL!!!!".

Besides that, I don't see the utility.


I mostly use it because all my friends use it, and utilize it to set up events and get-togethers and what not. I do enjoy sharing interesting links on my wall, though.
 
2012-06-26 08:04:30 PM  

Mister Peejay: That's the endgame - they are trying to set up their own private network.


But it never works. People just feel squeezed and jump. And in the case of Facebook the utility value is so marginal that they can just go elsewhere or close down.

The best fun with Facebook will be when they try to ramp up the revenue stream and piss off customers in the process.
 
2012-06-26 08:27:47 PM  

Confabulat: You'll never see anyone whine and scream that they should sign up for Facebook.

However, you certainly see a lot of whining and screaming from people who REFUSE TO DO SO BECAUSE OMG PRIVACY AND SHEEPLE


Some 'Splainin' To Do: Lor M. Ipsum: I like how the Marketplace Tech Report put it: "If a service is free, you're not the customer; you're the product."

People keep repeating this like it means something profound. It doesn't. It's not even banal; it's flat-out misleading.

A better analogy is television. You're the audience, and your attention is what the advertisers care about, which means that making you happy is very farking important to the business because if the audience leaves then so do the advertisers, which means that if they don't make you happy, their business collapses.

You may not be directly paying the bills over there, but you are the one's who are ultimately keeping the lights on for them.


The advertisers are the customers. The advertisers purchase exposure to an audience through the service. The audience is a product for the advertisers.

Was that so hard?
 
2012-06-26 08:29:53 PM  
Grabbed the wrong Confabulat quote. Whoops
 
2012-06-26 09:39:16 PM  
If it wasn't for articles like these that notify me that FB's getting nosier (and FB addict friends, distant relative, etc. who think FB is the only possible way to keep in touch), I'd never check my FB account.
 
2012-06-26 10:21:44 PM  

Kuta: Jon iz teh kewl: "You"[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]koobecaf[* image 7x13]com?? how can everyone have the same email? And with quotes. You can't have quotes in email.

What? You think I'm stupid?
I'm not a part of your system.


That never, ever gets old . . .
 
2012-06-27 01:50:59 AM  
i think every facebook user that hates this should find out what mark zuckerberg's emaill address is, and change the address on your facebook page to his.

lots of luck, buddy
 
2012-06-27 09:03:39 AM  
jvowles

Here's how I keep it useful and relevant.
1. I disable ALL notification to my private email address; I only receive Facebook's notifications about changes and other account info -- and they do NOT spam me with this stuff, so it's useful.


And how I do it is I created a completely separate gmail and linked that to the updates. Seeing as how facebook doesn't put some in, but the e-mail gets it.
 
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