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(ABC)   So why didn't Matt Sandusky come forward earlier with his claims of being abused by his father? He was afraid of being charged with perjury because he'd earlier denied the allegations to a grand jury   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 102
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2012-06-26 10:53:44 AM  
Dumbass tag needed, not sad.
 
2012-06-26 10:56:23 AM  
Well, that and he was to be used as a rebuttal witness if Sandusky took the stand. Since he didn't, there was no reason to expose Matt Sandusky to a perjury charge.
 
2012-06-26 11:18:51 AM  
Poor kid. That's a really, really sucky position to be in.
 
2012-06-26 12:36:36 PM  
tl;dr anyone?
 
2012-06-26 12:37:51 PM  
PENAL SYSTEM...something, something
 
2012-06-26 12:38:52 PM  
I hear Sandusky could be a real pain in the ass.
 
2012-06-26 12:39:43 PM  
Probably a smart move, if he did, you know ms's lawyers would tear this guy apart. He knew he was going down, and he'd have no problem taking as many people/family with him.
 
2012-06-26 12:39:52 PM  
he was busy
 
2012-06-26 12:40:10 PM  
Ridiculous. Nearly every witness that testified during the trial changed their story dramatically from their GJ testimony. There was never a possibility of a perjury charge and his lawyers HAD to have told him that.
 
2012-06-26 12:40:55 PM  
Yeah, I bet with would be difficult to admit you were cornholed for years in front of a group of strangers. I really feel bad for him. It took a lot of bravery to come forward, no matter what he said first.
 
2012-06-26 12:42:47 PM  

Walker: Dumbass tag needed, not sad.


You've never been abused or known somebody who was abused, have you?
 
2012-06-26 12:43:07 PM  
Will the judge really say, "Mr. Sandusky, you are sentenced to a term of 450 years in such-and-such penitentiary"?
How about "you are going to farking die behind bars by either old age or a prison shank"?
 
2012-06-26 12:43:33 PM  
Almost all victims of sexual childhood abuse will deny it unless pressed, because they feel shame and even guilt about the abuse.

Predators know this, and they use it to their advantage in their efforts to make their victims remain silent.
 
2012-06-26 12:44:14 PM  
The Second Mile is the hardest mile.
 
2012-06-26 12:45:05 PM  
I can care less if he has daddy issues or not. He choose to violate those boys. For him to blame daddy for his decisions just wants me to break out ol' sparky on him even more.
 
2012-06-26 12:45:38 PM  
Any prosecutor that would pursue those charges should be fired on the spot
 
2012-06-26 12:46:12 PM  

DubyaHater: Will the judge really say, "Mr. Sandusky, you are sentenced to a term of 450 years in such-and-such penitentiary"?
How about "you are going to farking die behind bars by either old age or a prison shank"?


He probably won't get the maximum, but the minimum sentence required by law for what he's been convicted of is 60 years.

So unless Sandusky can get some of the convictions overturned, or he gets the minimum sentence and lives to be 128, he will effectively be getting a life sentence in prison.

And even if he gets out of some of the convictions, the Feds and Texas still want a part of him.
 
2012-06-26 12:47:28 PM  

Nightshade50: I can care less if he has daddy issues or not. He choose to violate those boys. For him to blame daddy for his decisions just wants me to break out ol' sparky on him even more.


Enjoy the gentle Fark ribbing that is about to commence.
 
2012-06-26 12:47:31 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Any prosecutor that would pursue those charges should be fired on the spot


Ah yes, selective enforcement of the law...MOAR plz.
 
2012-06-26 12:47:45 PM  
Sheesh....wat a huge Pussy.....Crybaby....

/just man the hell up....christ...sorry your feelings were hurt
 
2012-06-26 12:48:17 PM  
autoplay commercial with sound? dnrtfa
 
2012-06-26 12:49:27 PM  

ChipNASA: sorry your feelings were hurt



Also his turdcutter.
 
2012-06-26 12:49:58 PM  
He didn't come forward because he spent a few decades under the control of his abuser. Long-term sexual abuse is often severely repressed because consciously acknowledging it creates en emotional breakdown of epic proportions.

The control exerted by monsters like Sandusky cannot be broken by being put under oath. It takes a LOT of therapy and being in a safe and supportive environment.

I endured an adolescence of physical abuse from my stepfather and a few decades of severe emotional abuse from my real father - it was not until my mid 30s that I was able to open up about it. Sexual abuse, especially over a long period, is MUCH MUCH more insidious.
 
2012-06-26 12:50:22 PM  
I think the govt would have used him as a witness if the tickle monster took the stand.
 
2012-06-26 12:50:55 PM  

Madbassist1: Warlordtrooper: Any prosecutor that would pursue those charges should be fired on the spot

Ah yes, selective enforcement of the law...MOAR plz.


He ALREADY told prosecutors he lied when he talked to them about being molested contrary to his GJ testimony so his fear about being subject to perjury charges upon testifying is complete crap and spin.

Nobody is or was going to charge him for testifying FOR the prosecution.
 
2012-06-26 12:51:42 PM  

FarkinHostile: Yeah, I bet with would be difficult to admit you were cornholed for years in front of a group of strangers. I really feel bad for him. It took a lot of bravery to come forward, no matter what he said first.


Agreed. Fact is if it's not reported immediately most just live with it. It's a hard thing to own up to from about 100 different angles.
 
2012-06-26 12:52:19 PM  

The whole school needs to burn.

I hope the victims sue Penn State for every last ounce of wealth that it has. While they deserve compensation, it is even more important since there is currently no incentive for places like Penn State to stop. Do not kid yourself - they will do this again if the only thing they have to do is raise tuition to cover their legal costs. American Academia will only learn its lesson that protecting pedophiles because they sell football tickets (Sandusky) or bring in federal tax research dollars (Lasaga and Neisworth) or help the union (LA Teachers Union) when given the professional and financial death penalty.

It is high time American Academics get a taste of their own medicine for private industry:

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2012-06-26 12:54:12 PM  

robohobo: ChipNASA: sorry your feelings were hurt


Also his turdcutter.


How do you know he took it up the ass???

He's probably *lying* again,.....just for attention. I mean all those other boys were getting fawned over and he was jealous.
/it was probably just oral.
 
2012-06-26 12:55:03 PM  
Because it was his f*cking father.
 
2012-06-26 12:55:20 PM  

Nightshade50: I can care less if he has daddy issues or not. He choose to violate those boys. For him to blame daddy for his decisions just wants me to break out ol' sparky on him even more.


you're not good with names, are you?
 
2012-06-26 12:55:33 PM  
The Sandusky family is just plain ol' farking weird.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:04 PM  

Brother_Mouzone: I think the govt would have used him as a witness if the tickle monster took the stand.


that's creepy. I mean it should be. But still.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:47 PM  

farkityfarker: Almost all victims of sexual childhood abuse will deny it unless pressed, because they feel shame and even guilt about the abuse.

Predators know this, and they use it to their advantage in their efforts to make their victims remain silent.


a psych I know who has had the misfortune to treat numerous pedophiles at a secure mental hospital, says they have nearly a 6th snese when it comes to victim selection, they can often tell when someone has already been abused, or is the kind to be too timid/trusting to speak up, and they hone in on them.
 
2012-06-26 01:01:07 PM  

Tarheel_Madness: The Sandusky family is just plain ol' farking weird.


I'll forgive the kid for having some difficulty coming out and talking about getting raped by the guy the state said was a-ok to be his dad... between not having his real parents, and getting a kiddy diddler as the replacement adoptive parent, this kid probably needs more mental help than most people... it's not a weakness, and it's not his fault... so I'm not gonna go after him just for being part of the family the state stuck him with.
 
2012-06-26 01:04:32 PM  
It's the same reason that biatch Dotty Sandusky chose to go under oath and accuse ALL the victims of being overly-needy, conniving turds all plotting to destroy her precious Jerry. She's been with the guy for 50+ years, and deep down she's known all along that something's not right - people with personality disorders often partner with similarly disordered people. Their only coping method when something is very wrong is to refuse to admit something is wrong. They are emotionally incapable of admitting there's an 800lb gorilla in the room smashing the furniture, so they look away from the gorilla and claim the room and the furniture is fine.

It's the classic defense mechanism that results in abuse continuing through generations of families - pretending nothing is wrong because they can't cope with the truth in a healthy way.
 
2012-06-26 01:05:23 PM  

Walker: Dumbass tag needed, not sad.


Talking about something like this publicly is not easy, and he was looking for any excuse not to. It isn't dumbass, it's just human.
 
2012-06-26 01:06:38 PM  

Magorn: farkityfarker: Almost all victims of sexual childhood abuse will deny it unless pressed, because they feel shame and even guilt about the abuse.

Predators know this, and they use it to their advantage in their efforts to make their victims remain silent.

a psych I know who has had the misfortune to treat numerous pedophiles at a secure mental hospital, says they have nearly a 6th snese when it comes to victim selection, they can often tell when someone has already been abused, or is the kind to be too timid/trusting to speak up, and they hone in on them.


many victims who don't re-abuse down the line post therapy have a similar ability to pick up on things like that.
 
2012-06-26 01:07:56 PM  

ChipNASA: robohobo: ChipNASA: sorry your feelings were hurt


Also his turdcutter.

He's probably *lying* again,.....just for attention. I mean all those other boys were getting fawned over and he was jealous.
/it was probably just oral.


Meh, 1/10. You're trying too hard. You need to warm up to it. Finesse it. Groom the thread, as it were, before going full troll.
 
2012-06-26 01:08:11 PM  

moops: He didn't come forward because he spent a few decades under the control of his abuser. Long-term sexual abuse is often severely repressed because consciously acknowledging it creates en emotional breakdown of epic proportions.

The control exerted by monsters like Sandusky cannot be broken by being put under oath. It takes a LOT of therapy and being in a safe and supportive environment.

I endured an adolescence of physical abuse from my stepfather and a few decades of severe emotional abuse from my real father - it was not until my mid 30s that I was able to open up about it. Sexual abuse, especially over a long period, is MUCH MUCH more insidious.


Exactly. I'm a victim of emotional and physical abuse from my mother and didn't have the guts to talk about it until the last 18 months and I'm 29 yrs old. It is very difficult to talk about things like that because the abusers make the victim feel like the guilty party when it's ALWAYS the other way around. But it takes a long time for the victims to overcome that "guilt."

I'm sure that in the case of Matt, the prosecution told him after they were told of his accusations that there was no chance of perjury being perused against him. It's a very difficult charge to prove to begin with and with it being about sexual abuse and what I said above, it just wouldn't be worth the time.

Anyway, it would've been the same people who prosecuted Jerry Sandusky who would've been looking into the perjury charges against Matt. That would be counterproductive to their case on Jerry, regardless of how simple it was.
 
2012-06-26 01:11:48 PM  

moops: It's the same reason that biatch Dotty Sandusky chose to go under oath and accuse ALL the victims of being overly-needy, conniving turds all plotting to destroy her precious Jerry. She's been with the guy for 50+ years, and deep down she's known all along that something's not right - people with personality disorders often partner with similarly disordered people. Their only coping method when something is very wrong is to refuse to admit something is wrong. They are emotionally incapable of admitting there's an 800lb gorilla in the room smashing the furniture, so they look away from the gorilla and claim the room and the furniture is fine.

It's the classic defense mechanism that results in abuse continuing through generations of families - pretending nothing is wrong because they can't cope with the truth in a healthy way.


The more I think about it and play armchair psychologist on it, I think that Dottie was manipulated by Jerry just as much as he manipulated his victims. Now that he's gone for good, will she be able to break free of his control over her? I don't know.
 
2012-06-26 01:12:58 PM  

robohobo: ChipNASA: sorry your feelings were hurt


Also his turdcutter.


Why would he wear a thong?
 
2012-06-26 01:13:47 PM  

GT_bike: Magorn: farkityfarker: Almost all victims of sexual childhood abuse will deny it unless pressed, because they feel shame and even guilt about the abuse.

Predators know this, and they use it to their advantage in their efforts to make their victims remain silent.

a psych I know who has had the misfortune to treat numerous pedophiles at a secure mental hospital, says they have nearly a 6th snese when it comes to victim selection, they can often tell when someone has already been abused, or is the kind to be too timid/trusting to speak up, and they hone in on them.

many victims who don't re-abuse down the line post therapy have a similar ability to pick up on things like that.


It's not really a sixth sense, but a need to control people, whether it be through sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. In order to have that control, you need vulnerable people. Thus the drive to seek out weak, sensitive, and people who can't speak up for themselves.

If you're actively looking, it's easy to spot vulnerable people. When you're in dire need of narcissistic supply, those people are the ones from who you can get a steady supply of it.
 
2012-06-26 01:15:42 PM  

You Are All Sheep: robohobo: ChipNASA: sorry your feelings were hurt


Also his turdcutter.

Why would he wear a thong?


Because that's extra sexy?

Because he wants more than one thing up his ass?

Because it's his way of "flossing"??

Because Dingleberries?
 
2012-06-26 01:17:21 PM  
Matt Sandusky lied which means Joe Pa gets to go to heaven and Penn State is exonerated from any wrong doing.

We Are Penn State!
 
2012-06-26 01:21:59 PM  
You have to feel for this guy - what a horrendous situation. It's bad enough to be raped by his adoptive father. To have to reveal that abuse in the most high-profile case of sexual assault in the world, one with wall-to-wall media coverage? Unlike a lot of victims of rape he had no chance of maintaining any of his privacy or personal dignity, or any choice about coming forward about his abuse.

With some other abuse victims, like Sheldon Kennedy or Theo Fleury, at least coming forward in public was their choice - and it didn't involve their father. Jesus.
 
2012-06-26 01:22:37 PM  

Nightshade50: I can care less if he has daddy issues or not. He choose to violate those boys. For him to blame daddy for his decisions just wants me to break out ol' sparky on him even more.


ITG-like typing detected.

So, I'm curious: would you throw the switch yourself?
 
2012-06-26 01:23:39 PM  

desertgeek: moops: He didn't come forward because he spent a few decades under the control of his abuser. Long-term sexual abuse is often severely repressed because consciously acknowledging it creates en emotional breakdown of epic proportions.

The control exerted by monsters like Sandusky cannot be broken by being put under oath. It takes a LOT of therapy and being in a safe and supportive environment.

I endured an adolescence of physical abuse from my stepfather and a few decades of severe emotional abuse from my real father - it was not until my mid 30s that I was able to open up about it. Sexual abuse, especially over a long period, is MUCH MUCH more insidious.

Exactly. I'm a victim of emotional and physical abuse from my mother and didn't have the guts to talk about it until the last 18 months and I'm 29 yrs old. It is very difficult to talk about things like that because the abusers make the victim feel like the guilty party when it's ALWAYS the other way around. But it takes a long time for the victims to overcome that "guilt."

I'm sure that in the case of Matt, the prosecution told him after they were told of his accusations that there was no chance of perjury being perused against him. It's a very difficult charge to prove to begin with and with it being about sexual abuse and what I said above, it just wouldn't be worth the time.

Anyway, it would've been the same people who prosecuted Jerry Sandusky who would've been looking into the perjury charges against Matt. That would be counterproductive to their case on Jerry, regardless of how simple it was.


Not to mention a prosecutor would look *really* bad indicting and publicly haranguing an abuse victim for perjury. Putting Matt Sandusky on the dock and forcing him to admit being raped would emotionally destroy him - the poor guy would need to be put on suicide watch.

In order to safely come to terms with his abuse, he needs to be in a theraputic environment, and it will take a long time. Prosecutors know this, and destroying a rape victim over what was said under oath is not worth their time and not worth putting their reputations on the line.

Prosecutors aren't so hot to prosecute when it makes them look like an ogre.
 
2012-06-26 01:25:05 PM  

desertgeek: The more I think about it and play armchair psychologist on it, I think that Dottie was manipulated by Jerry just as much as he manipulated his victims. Now that he's gone for good, will she be able to break free of his control over her? I don't know.


Bull. If a kid you have a responsibility for is being raped, you don't let that happen and get sympathy.

Adults can be farked up and vulnerable to manipulation, absolutely. But adults are nowhere near as vulnerable as children, and ultimately you have to put the kids ahead of yourself. You don't just keep letting that happen and deserve any kind of sympathy or understanding. No.
 
2012-06-26 01:25:20 PM  

farkityfarker: Almost all victims of sexual childhood abuse will deny it unless pressed, because they feel shame and even guilt about the abuse.

Predators know this, and they use it to their advantage in their efforts to make their victims remain silent.


Once they've said something under oath as an adult they are in fact fully responsible for what they say and "ooh, but I were skeered" doesn't cut it as an excuse. No reason to bother with a perjury charge in this case (since the father's in jail for like 450 years, not like he was potentially sending up an innocent man) but no reason to pursue the accusation either, that's pretty much the definition of reasonable doubt.

//Intentionally lying under oath is different from your testimony changing a bit between the Grand Jury trial and the actual trial.
 
2012-06-26 01:26:40 PM  

moops: In order to safely come to terms with his abuse, he needs to be in a theraputic environment, and it will take a long time. Prosecutors know this, and destroying a rape victim over what was said under oath is not worth their time and not worth putting their reputations on the line.


No, it's not a reasonable fear, but we're talking about the nightmare scenario of a victim tangled up in the case against his dad who obviously had no objective point of view here.
 
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