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(CBS Sports)   The NFL's Ten Biggest Jerks. Gregg Doyle suspiciously absent   (cbssports.com) divider line 123
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2012-06-26 10:52:30 AM  
In before a thousand Rivers haters.
 
2012-06-26 12:26:13 PM  

BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.


Jay Cutler but no Rivers????

Seriously, farm that guy
 
2012-06-26 12:45:16 PM  

sammyk: BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.

Jay Cutler but no Rivers????

Seriously, farm that guy


So you want to plant him?

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-06-26 01:31:05 PM  
Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.
 
2012-06-26 01:31:28 PM  
cache.deadspin.com
 
2012-06-26 01:31:47 PM  
No. 8: Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler: If ever there was a jerk face prototype, it would be Cutler. Plays the part well with the best smirk in the NFL. His defenders say he's not so jerkish

Of course Jay Cutler's defenders love him. He throws the ball to them quite often.
 
2012-06-26 01:33:34 PM  
No Roger Goodell? Seriously??
 
2012-06-26 01:35:34 PM  
No. 7: Donald Driver: The opposite of the me-first jerk wide receiver.

So does that makes DeSean Jackson and Brandon Marshall Jerk-Me First receivers?
 
2012-06-26 01:36:04 PM  

Station: Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.


THIS! Sounds like the author may have lost some serious bets in the past or something. Even the good guy list is just people he likes. No explanation required.
 
2012-06-26 01:36:51 PM  
I've read Fark posts better though out and executed than that. Sports tab posts, man.
 
2012-06-26 01:36:54 PM  
Hey subby, the Jerk Store called and they ran out of YOU!
 
2012-06-26 01:38:34 PM  
Well, isn't it kinda inherent that "jerks" just means "people the writer doesn't like," really? I don't know.
 
2012-06-26 01:39:47 PM  

Station: Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.


I'm not sure what he's basing it on. Osi Umenyiora, DeSean Jackson, Darelle Revis, Percy Harvin, etc. all have the same "it's my money and I need it now!" attitude and to place DeSean Jackson above the rest seems silly. Brandon Marshall is a headcase with admitted mental issues. Cutler is a douche. But on a list with scumbags/criminals in Owens and Vick, respectively, I'm not sure how to include them. Personally, I'd toss players like Nick Farley or Rolando McClain on a list before half those guys.

/This article is "shiat, deadline time and I've got nothing".
 
2012-06-26 01:41:29 PM  
No Cortland Finnegan?
 
2012-06-26 01:42:52 PM  
AJ Smith and Roger Goodell belongat the top of the list

/freeman is a world-class hack
 
2012-06-26 01:48:50 PM  
So Cutler is a jerk because he flipped off paparazzi? They are so scummy they barely qualify as human.

Jay says the right things in the media, he plays hard and has consistently improved since coming to Chicago, and does a lot of charity work.
 
2012-06-26 01:48:52 PM  
Article makes no sense: "When contemplating the NFL's biggest jerks we came up with a lot of Detroit Lions...Yet miracles do exist, so we and we present the NFL's 10 biggest jerks while keeping Lions representatives to a minimum. "

So that should mean the Lions have the most players on this list right?

Eagles: 2
Bears: 2

49ers: 1
Jets: 1
Steelers: 1
Saints: 1
Lions: 1
 
2012-06-26 01:49:33 PM  
Ryan Leaf?
 
2012-06-26 01:49:49 PM  

Treygreen13: No Cortland Finnegan?


This.
 
2012-06-26 01:50:58 PM  
Ah yes. The List of ___________... column. fark that. I'll attempt to make an intelligent reply on his column when he writes an intelligent column. And I actually kind of like the guy. I think someone should write a column that's a list of all the journalists who rely overmuch on the worthless crutch 'list of' columns.
 
2012-06-26 01:52:54 PM  

Balchinian: No Roger Goodell? Seriously??


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That's better.
 
2012-06-26 02:01:33 PM  
No. 3: New Orleans Saints: A collective award. And who knows if they even did what they're accused of doing. If they're guilty, they belong in this spot. If they're innocent, then this is where Ndamukong Suh , leg stomper, dirty player, shall go. So ordered.


ha. i've long believed that the NFL swept the Vicodin pill matter under the rug because they (the NFL) didn't want to destroy all the good will from the Super Bowl win.....you can find quotes of Payton issuing vague non-answers about "well, we gotta let things play out, the organization is moving forward, i can't say much more than that, i'm moving ahed" instead of NO I DIDN'T USE PILLS NOR DID THE TEAM PERMIT ANYONE TO RAID THE MEDICINE CABINET.

and then they were warned about Bountygate and still stepped on their dick.

and what's really odd, is you have Vilma, Fujita, and that one guy making all kinds of noise about how there was no program, no bounties, the evidence doesn't exist, blah blah blah, but.....why isn't Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis saying that? riddle me that.

/i know, obvious answer, "because they want to coach again someday, dummy". if it isn't true, then they should be marching arm in arm with the players. and they're not.
 
2012-06-26 02:03:52 PM  
Suh should've definitely been in there instead of the Saints, considering we're still not sure if they did what people say they did. And Suh is definitely guilty of what he did.

And Tom Coughlin? Really? He gets fired from everywhere, so that makes him the #1 not jerk? Move Aaron Rodgers up to #1. Author sounds like a Giants fan.

You may notice this list is strong at wide receiver


Of course it is. You have to be an arrogant SOB to think you can run 20 yards away from your qb, catch the pass over your shoulder, and proceed to the end zone. Some WR's handle that ego better than others, but I'd figure they're all arrogant, at least about their abilities.
 
2012-06-26 02:10:44 PM  

bgddy24601: sammyk: BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.

Jay Cutler but no Rivers????

Seriously, farm that guy

So you want to plant him?

/NTTAWWT


Stupid autocorrect

Wouldn't mind seeing him get planted by Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil a couple times this year
 
2012-06-26 02:10:58 PM  
I'd have to say that Tony Romo belongs in the not-jerk list. What, pulling over and helping people change tires and taking random people to the movies doesn't qualify as good?

Also, if you've ever played an NFL video game where you play as a WR, you understand why they're the way they are. Every f*cking time you're open, the QB doesn't throw your way. Then he throws your way when you're covered, someone interferes with you, and no one calls it...now you know the QB isn't throwing your way again forever and your value is dropping with every time you're ignored.

Then your coach calls like 8 runs in a row and you're like "OKAY GAME THIS SH*T IS REALLY F*CKING ANNOYING."
 
2012-06-26 02:11:17 PM  
Suh definately belongs on the bad guy list.

Polamamalu definately belongs on the good guys list.
 
2012-06-26 02:13:41 PM  
Media: Jay Cutler is a big jerk!!!!!

Fans: How so?

Media: Well, uh, he just seems like he'd be a jerk! He's got that look. You know the one.
 
2012-06-26 02:19:04 PM  

iron_city_ap: Polamamalu definately belongs on the good guys list.


CSB:

he has a house in arizona in a town one of my coworkers lives in. a couple of years ago, she told me that her son was at PeeWee football practice, and Troy Freaking Polamalu drove up, and asked the coaches if he could watch or help. they of course were like, HELL YES. after practice, he gave a short speech about staying in school, setting goals, and being a good teamate, etc. he then stuck around and signed autographs and took pictures and so on.

now, when my friend told me this, i was like, GET THE fark OUT OF HERE. i'm like, "he went to USC, he's from SoCal, why in the hell would he be in your little rink dink town?" and then she later emailed me the pictures of Troy with her son that one of the coaches took.

good guy.
 
2012-06-26 02:20:30 PM  

Treygreen13: No Cortland Finnegan?


He is more of a punk.
 
2012-06-26 02:21:19 PM  
James Harrision?
 
2012-06-26 02:22:33 PM  
Albert Haynesworth?
 
2012-06-26 02:25:07 PM  
Maurice Jones-Drew has always seemed like a good guy, but anyone who walks away while his buddy, Ricky Manning Jr., uses homophobic and racial slurs then proceeds to beat up a random guy at Denny's shouldn't be on the top 10 good guys list. While he wasn't involved in the fight, he also didn't attempt to prevent it from happening.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:53 PM  

IAmRight: I'd have to say that Tony Romo belongs in the not-jerk list. What, pulling over and helping people change tires and taking random people to the movies doesn't qualify as good?


Well I was gonna mention how wonderful he is, but people would be all "Jesus woman, this again?" So. I guess I'll just let my profile do my talking about how he's basically the best person ever.


rickythepenguin: she told me that her son was at PeeWee football practice, and Troy Freaking Polamalu drove up


Wow. That really IS a CSB!
 
2012-06-26 02:28:48 PM  
Also, where's Warren Sapp's dumb ass? I'd also put Leonard Little over Stallworth in the honorable mentions since Little was arrested for DUI again after his manslaughter.
 
2012-06-26 02:30:10 PM  

Di Atribe: Wow. That really IS a CSB!



the really cool CSB is she just texted me that she worked out next to Ice T at the gym today.

dammit. he's probably gonna turn her out. Girl, you needs to be EARNIN'.

/no, but seriously, i thought that story was BS until she showed me the proof. and she looked up the real estate records (public information) showing he owns a house in that town. bizarre. best i can figure is his wife or whatever must be from that town. or who knows. maybe he just wants to live in this small ass town 45 minutes from phoenix.

*shrug*
 
2012-06-26 02:31:35 PM  

Doogled: Also, where's Warren Sapp's dumb ass?


Retired.
 
2012-06-26 02:32:18 PM  
If anything, DeMaurice Smith handed Goodell a lot of the power he has.

The thing that everyone forgets about Goodell is that he's looking out for the business enterprise of the game and making sure it actually lasts more than ten years. Player safety is a huge deal. The reason that baseball is dead now had it's roots a generation ago when the best athletes in this country gravitated toward football and basketball. The only reason it had a nice resurgence after the 1994 strike was due to the steroid/HGH era.

It all starts with young kids, and if more and more parents decide that it's too dangerous, a lot of the best athletes will show up in other sports. Image is everything, and the NFL can't be seen to be anything but hardass on players who were allegedly involved in the bounty scandal. I think it's wrong that Goodell is a judge, jury, and executioner, but that is the power he has been handed, and it's a business, not a public proceeding. No one involved in the scandal is bigger than the game, and while their individual careers may suffer, it's for the ongoing concern of the game itself. The punishments don't fit the crime, but you also knew going in that you'd be dealing with someone who has absolute power if a "crime" were ever committed.

Really, why chance it?
 
2012-06-26 02:32:44 PM  

Doogled: lso, where's Warren Sapp's dumb ass?



i submitted taht story a few days ago about "warren sapp half apolgizes to shockey about the snitch, but stands by his source. huh?"

i don't understand that. sapp apologized for "taking it to the street level", but in the story, told the radio station he stood by his source. so is he saying he shouldn't have made the accusation public, or was he saying he had bad info from a source he usually would trust? seemed like the former. YEAH MY SOURCE IS UNIMPEACHABLE BUT YEAH, SORRY FOR TAKING IT PUBLIC.
 
2012-06-26 02:33:14 PM  

AKTurkey: Article makes no sense: "When contemplating the NFL's biggest jerks we came up with a lot of Detroit Lions...Yet miracles do exist, so we and we present the NFL's 10 biggest jerks while keeping Lions representatives to a minimum. "

So that should mean the Lions have the most players on this list right?

Saints: 25*
Eagles: 2
Bears: 2
49ers: 1
Jets: 1
Steelers: 1
Lions: 1

* Approximate


FTFY
 
2012-06-26 02:35:42 PM  

Doogled: where's Warren Sapp's dumb ass?



also, i will never forget brave Warren Sapp, after he went Operation Codename: Gumby on Chad Clifton's leg, how the then-Packer coach (fritz sherman, mike sherman, fritz williams) was yelling at Sapp, and sapp is like "PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON HELMET, THEN! PUT ON A HELMET IF YOU WANNA GO!"

sapp at the time was probably 30-32 years old, 6'3" 280, and he's challenging a 55yr old man to a fight.

dumbass.
 
2012-06-26 02:37:31 PM  

rickythepenguin: dammit. he's probably gonna turn her out. Girl, you needs to be EARNIN'.


Man, that is RACIST! I am OFFENDED!


rickythepenguin: /no, but seriously, i thought that story was BS until she showed me the proof. and she looked up the real estate records (public information) showing he owns a house in that town. bizarre. best i can figure is his wife or whatever must be from that town. or who knows. maybe he just wants to live in this small ass town 45 minutes from phoenix.


I know, right? Who the hell would want to live in Phoenix, much less the outskirts of Phoenix?
 
2012-06-26 02:38:29 PM  
But to many, like me, though it's clear that Vick has changed, the crime was so disgraceful, more time is still needed to make sure the change I've seen in him is not an act but permanent.

The man served almost 2 years at Leavenworth. I know you think things are super rosy in there because you lived through that whole period of time and you were fine. Millions gone, millions more as the prime years of his career were sacrificed. But nope, that's not enough.
 
2012-06-26 02:43:06 PM  

Di Atribe: I know, right? Who the hell would want to live in Phoenix, much less the outskirts of Phoenix?



hey, phoenix is nice. we have two seasons: Summer, and one week in January.
 
2012-06-26 02:47:41 PM  

GoodyearPimp: But to many, like me, though it's clear that Vick has changed, the crime was so disgraceful, more time is still needed to make sure the change I've seen in him is not an act but permanent.

The man served almost 2 years at Leavenworth. I know you think things are super rosy in there because you lived through that whole period of time and you were fine. Millions gone, millions more as the prime years of his career were sacrificed. But nope, that's not enough.


Yeah, I think what he did was completely awful. Atrocious.

However, he does seem genuinely sorry about it and I hope that it wound up doing more good in the long run by shedding light on just how big of a problem dog fighting is.
 
2012-06-26 02:48:12 PM  

rickythepenguin: hey, phoenix is nice. we have two seasons: Summer, and one week in January.


LOL... but it's a dry heat, so it's OK.*


*not sarcasm, believe it or not
 
2012-06-26 02:52:20 PM  
The Saints are hated slightly less than a rapist and a person who tortured and slaughtered dogs for fun.

Yeah.
 
2012-06-26 02:52:45 PM  
Who's Gregg Doyle?
 
2012-06-26 02:54:09 PM  

Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: hey, phoenix is nice. we have two seasons: Summer, and one week in January.

LOL... but it's a dry heat, so it's OK.*


*not sarcasm, believe it or not


The girls in Phoenix are hot.
// wet hot
 
2012-06-26 03:02:15 PM  

W.C.fields forever: The girls in Phoenix are hot.
// wet hot


Except they're not because the humidity is low thereby allowing their sweat to evaporate & cool their hot little bodies properly.

Now Houston.... those biatches never dry off....
 
2012-06-26 03:05:33 PM  
not a player, but skip bayless?
 
2012-06-26 03:08:25 PM  

rickythepenguin: /i know, obvious answer, "because they want to coach again someday, dummy". if it isn't true, then they should be marching arm in arm with the players. and they're not.


That's a really nice sentiment, but they want to coach again someday, dummy. lol The same guy who investigated, suspended, and upheld their suspensions is the same one who gets to determine whether they're sorry enough to come back. I have no problem with Payton choosing to play drums at the House of Blues and get shiatfaced at Jazzfest under those terms. I'd do the same thing. Then, as soon as I got my reinstatement letter, I'd put 'em on blast. Hopefully Payton will do the same thing.
 
2012-06-26 03:34:32 PM  
That was the dumbest article I've read since the last time I clicked into the Politics tab.
 
2012-06-26 03:37:27 PM  
The Good Guys list is a joke too. Peyton Manning doesn't make it and he has a hospital named after him?

Great journalism guys
 
2012-06-26 03:39:07 PM  

rickythepenguin: Doogled: where's Warren Sapp's dumb ass?


also, i will never forget brave Warren Sapp, after he went Operation Codename: Gumby on Chad Clifton's leg, how the then-Packer coach (fritz sherman, mike sherman, fritz williams) was yelling at Sapp, and sapp is like "PUT ON A HELMET! PUT ON HELMET, THEN! PUT ON A HELMET IF YOU WANNA GO!"

sapp at the time was probably 30-32 years old, 6'3" 280, and he's challenging a 55yr old man to a fight.

dumbass.


It was Mike Sherman and Sapp was at least 40 pounds heavier than the figure you give there.
 
2012-06-26 03:49:28 PM  

tooeasy: not a player, but skip bayless?


Skip Bayless is an asshole, but always good for news - whatever he says will happen - the opposite actually happens.
 
2012-06-26 03:51:56 PM  
No room for TK on the list?

www.trbimg.com
 
2012-06-26 03:53:32 PM  
#3? Keep doubting me.

Who mad? U mad bro.

thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com

It's good, I'll just keep being a nice guy and winning Super Bowls.

drmaj.com

I see what was done there.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-26 03:56:32 PM  
11. Mike Freeman - author of that crappy list - fired from the Indy Star in 2004 for lying about having a college degree.

That's some credibility there. And two minutes of my life RTFA I'll never get back.
 
2012-06-26 03:59:06 PM  

robsul82: That's a really nice sentiment, but they want to coach again someday, dummy. lol


the players have to realize how bad it looks. the players who reaped the benefits of the ALLEGED bounty program are saying it didn't exist, whereas the coaches aren't saying dick, but didn't the team owner apologize?

Vilma, sack up and take it like a man.

i love how they're also arguing that the voice heard shouting "pay me my money!" is not in fact the guy everyone says it is. as if that disproves the bounty program. "IT WASN'T ____! SEE? THAT'S NOT HIS VOICE! IT IS SOMEONE ELSE! THEREFORE, NO BOUNTY PROGRAM EXISTS!" morans.

just go away, butthurt saints players. You agreed Goodell could be judge, jury, exceutioner, only the Steelers voted against the new CBA, and now you're mad he has all the power you voted him. so shut your gumbo, beignet (or muffaletta) hole and take your suspension like a man.

Ken VeryBigLiar: It was Mike Sherman and Sapp was at least 40 pounds heavier than the figure you give there.


monday night game as i recall. could be wrong. don't care. just remember ESPN endlessly showing that footage.

jackfark.
 
2012-06-26 04:01:16 PM  

rickythepenguin: the players have to realize how bad it looks.


Dude, by all means, if you're ever accused of doing something you didn't do, roll over and take it like a man. Because that's MANLY.
 
2012-06-26 04:02:28 PM  
No Suh ??
 
2012-06-26 04:04:17 PM  

Farkomatic: 11. Mike Freeman - author of that crappy list - fired from the Indy Star in 2004 for lying about having a college degree.

That's some credibility there. And two minutes of my life RTFA I'll never get back.


Did he even really get fired? IIRC he hadn't even started working yet
 
2012-06-26 04:07:50 PM  

redmid17: Farkomatic: 11. Mike Freeman - author of that crappy list - fired from the Indy Star in 2004 for lying about having a college degree.

That's some credibility there. And two minutes of my life RTFA I'll never get back.

Did he even really get fired? IIRC he hadn't even started working yet


Haven't others been blackballed for shiat like that?
 
2012-06-26 04:09:23 PM  

robsul82: Dude, by all means, if you're ever accused of doing something you didn't do, roll over and take it like a man. Because that's MANLY.



then someone's lying. they (the players and team) can't both be right. and payton doesn't have enough money socked away he can't fight the good fight?

not buying it. i don't care if Goodell's 50,000 pages (or whatever it is ) of evidence was grossly overstated. one guy copped to the program. Mikes picked up the "pay me my money" comment. The NFL already warned the saints the NFL had heard rumors of the bounty program and warned them to stop it if it existed.

None of the information disclosed was any more eye-opening -- and telling -- than a slide from January 7, 2011 that was shown before the Saints' playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

"Now's the time to do our jobs, collect bounty $. No apologies. Let's go hunting," the slide reads.

Accompanying the slide: A bunch of dollar bills and a picture of Duane Chapman, a.k.a. "Dog the Bounty Hunter."


/"dude, when we said 'bounty', we meant....play really hard but fair. you guys are reading waaaaaaaaaay to much into this."
 
2012-06-26 04:09:46 PM  

Droog8912: Station: Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.

I'm not sure what he's basing it on. Osi Umenyiora, DeSean Jackson, Darelle Revis, Percy Harvin, etc. all have the same "it's my money and I need it now!" attitude and to place DeSean Jackson above the rest seems silly. Brandon Marshall is a headcase with admitted mental issues. Cutler is a douche. But on a list with scumbags/criminals in Owens and Vick, respectively, I'm not sure how to include them. Personally, I'd toss players like Nick Farley or Rolando McClain on a list before half those guys.

/This article is "shiat, deadline time and I've got nothing".


Except that in the NFL contract are more like guidelines...

Oh, you just signed a 4 year deal? Sorry you're cut.
Yeah, "I know you signed a 3 year deal at $20 million., but you're not playing well. So we're going to need you take a pay cut...how does 2 years 9 million sound? or you're cut."

/I don't know all the facts in Revis' situation, but in the NFL (with no guaranteed contracts and ruthless GMs/owners), I generally side with players. If you have leverage, you use it.
 
2012-06-26 04:11:21 PM  

robsul82: rickythepenguin: the players have to realize how bad it looks.

Dude, by all means, if you're ever accused of doing something you didn't do, roll over and take it like a man. Because that's MANLY.


I'm surprised you didn't point out this week's KSK takedown of an archived Peter King column from 2002 that mentions a gay player refusing to come out while he was still in the league because everyone knows there are bounties. Specifically mentioned bounties for taking a QB out of the game (he didn't come out because he didn't want a bounty on him).

But no, I'm sure the Saints were the only team that had bounties.
 
2012-06-26 04:12:27 PM  

robsul82: Haven't others been blackballed for shiat like that?



Mitch Albom took a measure of shiat....he might have been suspended, don't quite recall.

a couple of march madness' ago, he had interviewed a couple of former MSU players that were in the pros, and they were like, "we're going to the Final Four game to cheer our guys on, i'll be wearing michigan green." albom writes a column saying, "____ and ___ were at Saturday's game in michigan green, and they told me courtside, blah blah blah...." come to find out the palyers didn't go. he looked like an idiot. he apologized. he got PAID off Tuesdays with Morrie.

Advantage Albom.
 
2012-06-26 04:12:47 PM  

robsul82: redmid17: Farkomatic: 11. Mike Freeman - author of that crappy list - fired from the Indy Star in 2004 for lying about having a college degree.

That's some credibility there. And two minutes of my life RTFA I'll never get back.

Did he even really get fired? IIRC he hadn't even started working yet

Haven't others been blackballed for shiat like that?


Other than Jayson Blair, who lied about his education AND plagiarized the shiat out of stuff, I can't think of anyone else.
 
2012-06-26 04:13:35 PM  

KFBR392: /I don't know all the facts in Revis' situation, but in the NFL (with no guaranteed contracts and ruthless GMs/owners), I generally side with players. If you have leverage, you use it.


The problem is that Revis keeps asking for a frontloaded deal and when he gets past the loaded part, then he says "man, I'm underpaid! look at how little I make!"
 
2012-06-26 04:15:25 PM  

IAmRight: But no, I'm sure the Saints were the only team that had bounties.



1) what's "KSK takedown"? and i didn't see his column.
2) i don't doubt for a second bounties were leaguewide. problem is, the saints got caught. i'm not playing the "if you ain't cheatin', you aint' tryin'" card, or the "its only cheating if you get caught" card. i am saying, however, that they got popped. and they need to own it.

if 32 cars are speeding, and the cop can only pull one over, that guy gets a ticket. the other 31, hey, you weren't speeding because you weren't caught.
 
2012-06-26 04:15:58 PM  

KFBR392: Droog8912: Station: Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.

I'm not sure what he's basing it on. Osi Umenyiora, DeSean Jackson, Darelle Revis, Percy Harvin, etc. all have the same "it's my money and I need it now!" attitude and to place DeSean Jackson above the rest seems silly. Brandon Marshall is a headcase with admitted mental issues. Cutler is a douche. But on a list with scumbags/criminals in Owens and Vick, respectively, I'm not sure how to include them. Personally, I'd toss players like Nick Farley or Rolando McClain on a list before half those guys.

/This article is "shiat, deadline time and I've got nothing".

Except that in the NFL contract are more like guidelines...

Oh, you just signed a 4 year deal? Sorry you're cut.
Yeah, "I know you signed a 3 year deal at $20 million., but you're not playing well. So we're going to need you take a pay cut...how does 2 years 9 million sound? or you're cut."

/I don't know all the facts in Revis' situation, but in the NFL (with no guaranteed contracts and ruthless GMs/owners), I generally side with players. If you have leverage, you use it.


FWIW it's not like the team comes off scot free. They take a cap hits for bonus money and any remaining guaranteed money.
 
2012-06-26 04:17:36 PM  

rickythepenguin: not buying it.


Don't buy it and sweep under the rug the blatantly logical reason why people without a union and totally beholden to Goodell's whims on their reinstatement wouldn't open their mouths right now all you want, dude. They want to coach again in the league and I don't blame them for being good little boys right now.

rickythepenguin: not buying it. i don't care if Goodell's 50,000 pages (or whatever it is ) of evidence was grossly overstated. one guy copped to the program. Mikes picked up the "pay me my money" comment. The NFL already warned the saints the NFL had heard rumors of the bounty program and warned them to stop it if it existed.


Yes, I'm quite aware you don't give a shiat that the commissioner of the league grossly overstated, exaggerated, and mischaracterized his evidence, which really speaks highly. No one "copped" to pay-for-injury. "Pay me my money" - what money? The SB bonus money? A side bet between players? Why would someone uninvolved in the hit on Favre ask anyone for money? Who said it, as this is piece of evidence #78 the NFL grossly overstated, in that the video "clearly shows" Hargrove saying it when it in fact does nothing of the sort? This is the evidence you want the players to BE A MAN!!!!!11 about? Ridiculous.

rickythepenguin: /"dude, when we said 'bounty', we meant....play really hard but fair. you guys are reading waaaaaaaaaay to much into this."


Yeah. Pay-for-performance BOUNTIES, not pay-for-injury BOUNTIES. Stop eating the NFL cheese conflating the two.

IAmRight: I'm surprised you didn't point out this week's KSK takedown of an archived Peter King column from 2002 that mentions a gay player refusing to come out while he was still in the league because everyone knows there are bounties. Specifically mentioned bounties for taking a QB out of the game (he didn't come out because he didn't want a bounty on him).

But no, I'm sure the Saints were the only team that had bounties.


I haven't seen it. I'm sure PK has forgotten all about it, too busy in his unending quest to get Favre say something inflammatory about the Saints.

/lately though even he's going on Twitter and backing off his more inflammatory past comments
 
2012-06-26 04:20:50 PM  

rickythepenguin: if 32 cars are speeding, and the cop can only pull one over, that guy gets a ticket. the other 31, hey, you weren't speeding because you weren't caught.


The cop usually doesn't make a point of acting as though you were the only speeder, though, then demonize you throughout the city for it. At least not anywhere I've ever lived.

Here's the link.

The topic turned to why he didn't come out during his nine-year NFL career.

Tuaolo: "I know what it's like in the NFL. Teams put bounties out on guys. You know that. Knock the quarterback out, and you get a steak dinner. Of course somebody's gonna knock out the gay guy."

There's the quote.
 
2012-06-26 04:21:08 PM  
 
2012-06-26 04:22:05 PM  

redmid17: Other than Jayson Blair, who lied about his education AND plagiarized the shiat out of stuff, I can't think of anyone else.


Well, yeah, that's true. And even in that case, I think it was the plagiarism that really got him. Still, a guy who lied on his resume talking about others being jerks...it's not the worst offense in the world, obviously, but it's still pretty silly.

robsul82: /lately though even he's going on Twitter and backing off his more inflammatory past comments


Hell, come to think of it, even Freeman's doing this in the linked article. I'll take #3 and "who knows if they even did it at this point" over past things he's said, lol.
 
2012-06-26 04:24:14 PM  

IAmRight: rickythepenguin: if 32 cars are speeding, and the cop can only pull one over, that guy gets a ticket. the other 31, hey, you weren't speeding because you weren't caught.

The cop usually doesn't make a point of acting as though you were the only speeder, though, then demonize you throughout the city for it. At least not anywhere I've ever lived.


Yeah, well, he's got political points to score and scalps to nail to the wall for lawsuits to think about.

Here's the link.

The topic turned to why he didn't come out during his nine-year NFL career.

Tuaolo: "I know what it's like in the NFL. Teams put bounties out on guys. You know that. Knock the quarterback out, and you get a steak dinner. Of course somebody's gonna knock out the gay guy."

There's the quote.


Very interesting, hadn't seen that before now, thanks for bringing that to light.
 
2012-06-26 04:27:23 PM  

robsul82: Yes, I'm quite aware you don't give a shiat that the commissioner of the league grossly overstated, exaggerated, and mischaracterized his evidence,


we're not going to talk each other off our position. i think the bounty existed, and the saints know their only hope is to go Operation Codename: Ryan Braun and beat the NFL on procedural issues.


IAmRight: The cop usually doesn't make a point of acting as though you were the only speeder, though, then demonize you throughout the city for it. At least not anywhere I've ever lived.


The NFL did warn all teams, however. they know that by dint of free agency alone, there's a possibility other teams might have been doing something.

the saints' act is just tired at this point. shut up and go away. you don't need to admit it, you just need to go away for the 3 games (or did Fujita get 4?) or 8 (vitt, i believe) or 16 (Vilma).
 
2012-06-26 04:36:48 PM  

rickythepenguin: The NFL did warn all teams, however. they know that by dint of free agency alone, there's a possibility other teams might have been doing something.


It's well known by anyone ever connected to the league that every other team was doing something. So to punish 1/32 of teams you know were doing something is stupid.
 
2012-06-26 04:42:39 PM  

macadamnut: Balchinian: No Roger Goodell? Seriously??

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That's better.


Much. I have no problem with that list.
 
2012-06-26 04:44:57 PM  

rickythepenguin: we're not going to talk each other off our position.


Nope. Guess we won't. So that's that.
 
2012-06-26 04:46:54 PM  

rickythepenguin: iron_city_ap: Polamamalu definately belongs on the good guys list.

CSB:

he has a house in arizona in a town one of my coworkers lives in. a couple of years ago, she told me that her son was at PeeWee football practice, and Troy Freaking Polamalu drove up, and asked the coaches if he could watch or help. they of course were like, HELL YES. after practice, he gave a short speech about staying in school, setting goals, and being a good teamate, etc. he then stuck around and signed autographs and took pictures and so on.

now, when my friend told me this, i was like, GET THE fark OUT OF HERE. i'm like, "he went to USC, he's from SoCal, why in the hell would he be in your little rink dink town?" and then she later emailed me the pictures of Troy with her son that one of the coaches took.

good guy.


My buddy's wife is friends with his wife, so they have hung out a bit. I hear nothing but great stuff about him.

Also, my mom's ex boss (she died) is the airline's rep for their charters to away games. The stories about him are along the same lines.

Dude could leave via free agency & go to the Ravens and I'd have a hard time pulling against him. Total class act.
 
2012-06-26 04:52:38 PM  

IAmRight: So to punish 1/32 of teams you know were doing something is stupid.



i disagree, you have to take action when you get the goods. the NFL had warned the Patriots about spying, they (Pats) ignored it, they got ratted out, the NFL had to act.

i mean, that's the Ballad Of Michael Vick. Goddel told him, "hey man, we're hearing your into dogfighting, all i'm saying is, if it is true, you need to CEASE that shiat and if not, be aware that people told us." he denied it. they became aware of it, boom. they had to act.
 
2012-06-26 04:55:12 PM  

iron_city_ap: My buddy's wife is friends with his wife, so they have hung out a bit. I hear nothing but great stuff about him.



he just seems like a genuinely cool farking guy. you hear him on interviews and he has that Pat Tillman thing where football is a means to an end, not the end like it is for many.

i hate the steelers -- no, that isn't true -- i actively root against the steelers for ripping out my heart a few years back but troy, he's cool as shiat. love to watch him play.
 
2012-06-26 04:55:19 PM  

rickythepenguin: i disagree, you have to take action when you get the goods


Not even touching "the goods" and how accurate that term is, but IAmRight's greater point still holds - Goodell didn't need to demonize that one team and pretend they were the only ones doing it. The Saints chose to continue their pay-for-performance system, the NFL chose to portray them as the scourge of the league. Why? The lawsuit. Simple.
 
2012-06-26 05:00:10 PM  

robsul82: Goodell didn't need to demonize that one team and pretend they were the only ones doing it



you are aware that all teams were warned, right?

and what was he supposed to do?

and as i said above, it is my conspiracy theory, but i think the Saints were on the NFL radar for other transgressions and this was just one step too far.

the NFL had no problem hiding behind the mediation/arbitration for the Vicodin matter. plausibel deniability. they had a perfect reason to take no action. and that "unnamed senior team officials 1 and 2" (as you know, said to be Payton and I forget who the other was), why was there no libel / defamation of character suit? if they weren't heisting pills, why didn't they try to clear their names?
 
2012-06-26 05:45:32 PM  

KFBR392: Osi Umenyiora, DeSean Jackson, Darelle Revis, Percy Harvin
Except that in the NFL contract are more like guidelines...

Oh, you just signed a 4 year deal? Sorry you're cut.
Yeah, "I know you signed a 3 year deal at $20 million., but you're not playing well. So we're going to need you take a pay cut...how does 2 years 9 million sound? or you're cut."

/I don't know all the facts in Revis' situation, but in the NFL (with no guaranteed contracts and ruthless GMs/owners), I generally side with players. If you have leverage, you use it.


I have sympathy for players in their rookie contract/franchised players holding out; it sucks to perform at a high level and be paid close to the minimum or being a top player with no long-term security. DeSean and Percy, however, both acted like spoiled children and threw tantrums. They embarrassed themselves and they embarrassed the team, and I'm neither an Eagles nor Vikings fan. Osi and Revis both signed front-loaded contracts and then biatched and moaned about how "underpaid" they were the instant the front-loaded portion ended. It was a sign the off-season was truly upon us when the two of them started whining.

Regardless of that, my primary point for all the players I mentioned in my post was:

But on a list with scumbags/criminals in Owens and Vick, respectively, I'm not sure how to include them.

Complaining about money =/= huge team cancer/criminal like Owens/Vick, or dirty play like Farley or Haynesworth.
 
2012-06-26 06:04:34 PM  

Treygreen13: No Cortland Finnegan?


Yeah, no kidding.

Dude is league leader in unsportsmanlike conduct penalties over the past five yearz and he doesn't get a mention?
 
2012-06-26 06:34:14 PM  
Harbaugh is arrogant and just as sideline-angered as Schwartz, and his story about how the 49ers didn't really pursue Peyton Manning is actually hilarious. That's like saying you look at Rihanna and appreciate her eyes.

In Harbaugh's defense, I never thought Rihanna's boobs were much more than average.
 
2012-06-26 06:52:55 PM  

rickythepenguin: you are aware that all teams were warned, right?


How does that memo protect the league from inaccurately portraying the Saints as the inventor of bounties for four months? If you care about player safety, after we got the myriad stories about how rampant they are, you'd investigate all 32 teams. You wouldn't grossly overstate your evidence for one and portray them as the scourge that you solved unless you were more worried about outward appearances for the concussion lawsuit.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:06 PM  

Cybernetic: Harbaugh is arrogant and just as sideline-angered as Schwartz, and his story about how the 49ers didn't really pursue Peyton Manning is actually hilarious. That's like saying you look at Rihanna and appreciate her eyes.

In Harbaugh's defense, I never thought Rihanna's boobs were much more than average.


When I look at Rihanna, I think damaged goods, but yeah. Be happy with Alex Smith.
 
2012-06-26 06:59:10 PM  

bikerbob59: Hey subby, the Jerk Store called and they ran out of YOU!


We found Gregg Doyle's alt

/I keed
//this list sucks
///but slashies rule
 
2012-06-26 07:46:10 PM  

AngryPanda: tooeasy: not a player, but skip bayless?

Skip Bayless is an asshole, but always good for news - whatever he says will happen - the opposite actually happens.


Bayless is paid to be the dissenting voice to incite "discussion". It was hilarious last year when everyone was bagging on Tebow and Skip turned out to be at least partially right. Tebow still sucked as a quarterback but as a hybrid running back he won games.
 
2012-06-26 07:54:18 PM  

elguerodiablo: Bayless is paid to be the dissenting voice to incite "discussion". It was hilarious last year when everyone was bagging on Tebow and Skip turned out to be at least partially right. Tebow still sucked as a quarterback but as a hybrid running back he won games.


Bayless did become temporarily entertaining in the "his ridiculous Monday morning celebration will be even more ridiculous than last week" tagalong effect that Tebow's wins had.
 
2012-06-26 07:54:28 PM  

karmaceutical: I've read Fark posts better though out and executed than that. Sports tab posts, man.


What's worse its on yahoo which is supposed to be a real site and not some 3rd rate blog like this reads.
 
2012-06-26 07:55:15 PM  

steamingpile: karmaceutical: I've read Fark posts better though out and executed than that. Sports tab posts, man.

What's worse its on yahoo which is supposed to be a real site and not some 3rd rate blog like this reads.


Yahoo?
 
2012-06-26 08:01:32 PM  
Michael Vick is the number one jerk on the list? Because of shiat he did years ago and which he paid his debt to society? Writer obviously has an issue with Vick. I think was a punk and a jerk but since returning has done squat to be the biggest jerk in the NFL.

Also, isn't naming TO to this list an overreach? He's burned his bridges to and from the NFL and is more an object of derision or pity, not hate.
 
2012-06-26 08:04:52 PM  

robsul82: rickythepenguin: you are aware that all teams were warned, right?

How does that memo protect the league from inaccurately portraying the Saints as the inventor of bounties for four months? If you care about player safety, after we got the myriad stories about how rampant they are, you'd investigate all 32 teams. You wouldn't grossly overstate your evidence for one and portray them as the scourge that you solved unless you were more worried about outward appearances for the concussion lawsuit.


In the Saints' case, it should be fairly obvious that the NFL is more worried about appearances than the injuries themselves. Although the suit could set a negative precedence for the NFL's pocketbook, it also should be noted that an exorbitant award could really start the gears turning toward bleeding the NFL dry down the road. It wouldn't happen overnight, but nothing is too big to fail and nothing is sacred, not even the cash cow that is the NFL.

Ideally, they'd meet somewhere in the middle, where the NFL has it's hand forced toward meeting the monetary needs of permanently damaged retired players yet still is of a meaningful enough scale where they can fairly easily meet those monetary needs on an ongoing basis.

The NFL's rabid fanbase will put up with a lot of "pussification" of the sport over the years in my opinion. From a pure competition standpoint, what's really the alternative? What are people going to do if they get fed up and tune out? As long as it's not a knee jerk reaction and we don't move from full contact to touch in the span of a season, there will be a lot that fans will actually put up with in the long run.

Like I mentioned earlier, the people who have the biggest chance to ruin the sport are the "football moms" who might refuse to allow their kid(s) to play. We'll only find out a generation or two from now, of course.
 
2012-06-26 08:26:26 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: In the Saints' case, it should be fairly obvious that the NFL is more worried about appearances than the injuries themselves.


You'd think so, lol, but.

KiwDaWabbit: Although the suit could set a negative precedence for the NFL's pocketbook, it also should be noted that an exorbitant award could really start the gears turning toward bleeding the NFL dry down the road. It wouldn't happen overnight, but nothing is too big to fail and nothing is sacred, not even the cash cow that is the NFL...ideally, they'd meet somewhere in the middle, where the NFL has it's hand forced toward meeting the monetary needs of permanently damaged retired players yet still is of a meaningful enough scale where they can fairly easily meet those monetary needs on an ongoing basis.


Forgive me if I have a rooting interest in this trial now, heh...I've certainly had a few dark "I hope they bleed this assholes dry" moments the past few months, but yeah, of course I don't want the NFL to get killed by this. Certainly hope it stings the bastards, though, and helps the retirees who need it.
 
2012-06-26 08:29:07 PM  

AKTurkey: Article makes no sense: "When contemplating the NFL's biggest jerks we came up with a lot of Detroit Lions...Yet miracles do exist, so we and we present the NFL's 10 biggest jerks while keeping Lions representatives to a minimum. "

So that should mean the Lions have the most players on this list right?

Eagles: 2
Bears: 2
49ers: 1
Jets: 1
Steelers: 1
Saints: 1
Lions: 1


I knew once I got past Calculus in high school that simple math would be an issue...
FTA:
Detroit Lions coach Jim Schwartz: = 1 Detroit Lion
Ndamukong Suh , leg stomper, dirty player = 1 Detroit Lion

So, Lions: 1 (that even sounds weird - odd homonym) means 1+1=1

/I'm soo confused
 
2012-06-26 08:40:21 PM  

BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.


There aren't 1000 Broncos fans on Fark.
 
2012-06-26 08:53:22 PM  

robsul82: You wouldn't grossly overstate your evidence for one and portray them as the scourge that you solved unless you were more worried about outward appearances for the concussion lawsuit.



absolutely goodell is playing defense on this and covering the NFL's ass by issuignthe warning to all 32 teams.

that said, they already had an idea the Saitns had been doing this. you keep positioning the issue as basically, a witch hunt, when the team had been put on notice to knock this shiat off.

and there's a measure of credible evidence out there. the link i postd above which you attempt to explain away as HURF HURF HURF, THEY MEANT BOUNTIES FOR PLAYING WELL (or whatever you said). and that was 17 months ago. the NFL already had an idea this was going on, just couldn't substantiate it.

didn't we agree to disagree on this?
 
2012-06-26 09:07:14 PM  

rickythepenguin: absolutely goodell is playing defense on this and covering the NFL's ass by issuignthe warning to all 32 teams.


Awesome. Still doesn't mean it's okay to act like the Saints invented the concept for months on end.

rickythepenguin: the link i postd above which you attempt to explain away as HURF HURF HURF, THEY MEANT BOUNTIES FOR PLAYING WELL (or whatever you said).


Don't downplay actually reading what the slide has on it as "HURF HURF HURF." They had pay-for-performance bounties. That slide has nothing about injuring anyone written on it. I hope if this were the Cardinals you'd still be as comfortable reading into things and making the leaps you make here.

rickythepenguin: didn't we agree to disagree on this?


I thought so.
 
2012-06-26 09:09:52 PM  
Meanwhile, the Yankees just got away with a fast one against the Indians, Wise jumped into the stands to make a catch and some fan put the ball in his glove while he was down there. Ump fell for it.
 
2012-06-26 09:14:18 PM  
Wait a minute, the ball ended up 5 fans down the row and Wise just kept his glove clutched shut, hahaha. The ump is making the out signal while the fan with the ball is holding it up behind his back.
 
2012-06-26 09:58:44 PM  

rickythepenguin: then someone's lying. they (the players and team) can't both be right. and payton doesn't have enough money socked away he can't fight the good fight?


Dont waste your time with bandwagon taint rob, hes an apologist and is pissed his chosen bandwagon he chose to jump on is losing a wheel, you could give him pictures of players taking money and he would try to explain it away.
 
2012-06-26 10:02:22 PM  

steamingpile: is pissed his chosen bandwagon he chose to jump on is losing a wheel


Again, a bandwagon fan would just GET OFF THE BANDWAGON if something bad happened to the team. A bandwagon fan wouldn't be pissed. He'd just jump off and get on board with the new hot thing. But you know, that's common sense and doesn't apply when steamingpile has hurt feelings to cry about.
 
2012-06-26 10:04:10 PM  
Farkers are still white-knighting Michael Vick? Dude's never gonna sleep with you, he likes dogs. How do you not get that?

/dags
 
2012-06-26 10:19:34 PM  

robsul82: Don't downplay actually reading what the slide has on it as "HURF HURF HURF." They had pay-for-performance bounties. That slide has nothing about injuring anyone written on it. I hope if this were the Cardinals you'd still be as comfortable reading into things and making the leaps you make here.


That came off meaner than I meant it on second look. Just saying what the slide says/doesn't say and pointing out that "sack Hasselbeck" and "make Lynch fumble" are reasonable things to take away from the bounty comment at the bottom. I suppose your interpretation is reasonable as well, even if I don't agree with it at all.

Like you said, agree to disagree.
 
2012-06-26 11:03:20 PM  

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: I know, right? Who the hell would want to live in Phoenix, much less the outskirts of Phoenix?


hey, phoenix is nice. we have two seasons: Summer, and one week in January.


Oddly enough, those are the seasons in Florida as well.
 
2012-06-26 11:07:01 PM  

robsul82: I suppose your interpretation is reasonable as well, even if I don't agree with it at all.


Well, reasonable if a person finds the assumptions necessary to make such conclusions valid, which I don't, but anyway, lol. Agree to disagree, agree to disagree, I'm sorry, haha.
 
2012-06-26 11:13:22 PM  

TheLopper: He's got that look. You know the one.


I try to drop that into as many situations as possible, but rarely does anyone know what the fark I'm quoting. Come to mention that scene, was that the guy from "Blazing Saddles?"
 
2012-06-26 11:34:02 PM  

Station: Not really a great list - it read more like a list of guys the author didn't like.


Pretty much. Both the lists of who are "jerks" and who are "good guys" the douchebag writer put up are just the guys he likes/dislikes. I do enjoy how much the media hates Cutler. He says he dislikes the media and the media farking despise him for it.
 
2012-06-27 10:53:35 AM  

davidphogan: BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.

There aren't 1000 Broncos fans on Fark.


Only 17 (that have admitted so)
 
2012-06-27 11:12:47 AM  

Di Atribe: davidphogan: BKITU: In before a thousand Rivers haters.

There aren't 1000 Broncos fans on Fark.

Only 17 (that have admitted so)


Is it possible to be 3/53 of a Broncos fan?

/Tamme, Stokely, Manning
 
2012-06-27 12:12:15 PM  

redmid17: Is it possible to be 3/53 of a Broncos fan?

/Tamme, Stokely, Manning



I..... don't know how to put that in the graph.....
 
2012-06-27 03:24:03 PM  

macadamnut: Farkers are still white-knighting Michael Vick? Dude's never gonna sleep with you, he likes dogs. How do you not get that?

/dags


What I'd love for you, or anyone else on this thread to explain, is how the FARK do you put Vick number one on this list when Donte Stallworth is only an honorable mention.

STALLWORTH KILLED A MAN AND GOT A SLAP ON THE WRIST

I'm a dog owner, and love my little furball to death, but you Vick haters are farking stupid if you think his crime was somehow greater than killing a MAN.
 
2012-06-27 04:07:16 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: I'm a dog owner, and love my little furball to death, but you Vick haters are farking stupid if you think his crime was somehow greater than killing a MAN.


The difference is intent. The difference is Stallworth instantly knowing that he did something wrong. The difference is Stallworth pleading guilty. So many differences.

"Oops I was careless and someone died and now I'm sorry."
"Let's intentionally run this gambling ring and torture & kill dogs for years so we can make money."

If Vick had drunkenly & accidentally hit a dog with his car, then yes, Stallworth would be criticized more.
 
2012-06-27 04:32:42 PM  

Di Atribe: SmellsLikePoo: I'm a dog owner, and love my little furball to death, but you Vick haters are farking stupid if you think his crime was somehow greater than killing a MAN.

The difference is intent. The difference is Stallworth instantly knowing that he did something wrong. The difference is Stallworth pleading guilty. So many differences.

"Oops I was careless and someone died and now I'm sorry."
"Let's intentionally run this gambling ring and torture & kill dogs for years so we can make money."

If Vick had drunkenly & accidentally hit a dog with his car, then yes, Stallworth would be criticized more.


So you would argue that Vick is the number 1 jerk in the NFL based on his past transgressions, for which he served 2 years?
 
2012-06-27 05:21:56 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: So you would argue that Vick is the number 1 jerk in the NFL based on his past transgressions, for which he served 2 years?


I didn't say that. I might. I don't know. But that's not what my post was about.
 
2012-06-27 05:26:35 PM  

Di Atribe: SmellsLikePoo: So you would argue that Vick is the number 1 jerk in the NFL based on his past transgressions, for which he served 2 years?

I didn't say that. I might. I don't know. But that's not what my post was about.


Fair enough.

I still don't agree with you; Donte was negligent and it led to the death of an innocent person.

human>dog
 
2012-06-27 05:39:01 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: Fair enough.

I still don't agree with you; Donte was negligent and it led to the death of an innocent person.

human>dog



I agree about human > dog. However, all other circumstances are not equal.
 
2012-06-27 05:40:27 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 10:31:18 AM  

SmellsLikePoo: Di Atribe: SmellsLikePoo: So you would argue that Vick is the number 1 jerk in the NFL based on his past transgressions, for which he served 2 years?

I didn't say that. I might. I don't know. But that's not what my post was about.

Fair enough.

I still don't agree with you; Donte was negligent and it led to the death of an innocent person.

human>dog


The difference is in the cruelty. Also, I've known very few dogs that were truly bad. I know a lot of asshole people.
 
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