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2012-06-26 09:36:47 AM  
FTFA: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate...In a statement, Yad Vashem Chairman Avner Shalev said: "I believe that it was important to know the identities of those who spray-painted the graffiti. The suspects are extremist ultra-Orthodox Jews, anti-Zionists, who are on the fringes of society, and do not represent the majority who respect the memory of the Holocaust."

Decently written. The convolutions that some far-right parties in Israel will go to in order to exert political influence while officially denying the legitimacy of Israel are legendary.
 
2012-06-26 10:11:01 AM  
Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.

A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.


I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.
 
2012-06-26 10:28:57 AM  

gilgigamesh: A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.

I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.


It's not even 100% a myth, although there wasn't really any "conspiring" with Hitler. Lehi supported Nazi Germany before they realized the Jews were actually going to be exterminated rather than deported.
 
2012-06-26 10:49:08 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Lehi supported Nazi Germany before they realized the Jews were actually going to be exterminated rather than deported.


That has to be an embarrassing thing to admit to in the newsletter.
 
2012-06-26 11:40:20 AM  
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2012-06-26 11:41:12 AM  
The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.
 
2012-06-26 11:42:45 AM  
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/ReligionThreadbot 4000 may be overdue for calibration
 
2012-06-26 11:43:13 AM  
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2012-06-26 11:43:33 AM  

gilgigamesh: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.

A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.

I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.


Nor did I, but apparently they are overlooking the obvious fact that Hitler was their Messiah.
 
2012-06-26 11:45:35 AM  
Never forget.
 
2012-06-26 11:46:10 AM  
eh, doesn't even surprise me. Crazy insular community always feeling under attack by Israel yet getting all sorts of benefits from it (no IDF, lots of aid), makes sense that an idea this stupid would rise up somewhere in that group.

what_now: sweetmelissa31: Lehi supported Nazi Germany before they realized the Jews were actually going to be exterminated rather than deported.

That has to be an embarrassing thing to admit to in the newsletter.


Their Wiki page actually gets more depressing from there. Lots of dead civilians, an assassination, and then amnesty yippee.

/I hate extremists no matter what side they're on
 
2012-06-26 11:46:10 AM  

Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.


Crazy people in every sect.
 
2012-06-26 11:47:34 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate...In a statement, Yad Vashem Chairman Avner Shalev said: "I believe that it was important to know the identities of those who spray-painted the graffiti. The suspects are extremist ultra-Orthodox Jews, anti-Zionists, who are on the fringes of society, and do not represent the majority who respect the memory of the Holocaust."


Did anyone else read "The Chosen" by Chaim Potok in high school? I remember they discussed this viewpoint -- some ultra-Orthodox Jews saw the founding of Israel to be as bad as the Holocaust itself.
 
2012-06-26 11:50:20 AM  

Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.


I don't get relations between reform and Orthodox folks, much less the huge freaking chasm between Jewish-by-heritage-not-actively-worshiping and ultra Orthodox.

My friend worked at a Jewish community center that had services, and I'd help him set up stuff every now and then. The gap between the chill reform folks and then the orthodox services was mind blowing. And I'm not entirely sure those two groups of people ever actually crossed paths all that often. The few large events I helped with just seemed to have people self-segregating.

The funniest thing was the bulletin board for the defend-israel-forever-no-matter-what group across the hall from the Muslim/Jewish let's-work-together-for-peace group.
 
2012-06-26 11:50:27 AM  

MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.


Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.
 
2012-06-26 11:52:04 AM  
 
2012-06-26 11:53:56 AM  
I have heard of these people, I've seen them in New York City.

Some of them even met with Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran.

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2012-06-26 11:55:31 AM  
memedepot.com

/Oblig
 
2012-06-26 11:56:08 AM  

Arkanaut: Somacandra: FTFA: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate...In a statement, Yad Vashem Chairman Avner Shalev said: "I believe that it was important to know the identities of those who spray-painted the graffiti. The suspects are extremist ultra-Orthodox Jews, anti-Zionists, who are on the fringes of society, and do not represent the majority who respect the memory of the Holocaust."

Did anyone else read "The Chosen" by Chaim Potok in high school? I remember they discussed this viewpoint -- some ultra-Orthodox Jews saw the founding of Israel to be as bad as the Holocaust itself.


I grabbed that from a stack of my dad's old books when I was in middle school. A lot of it went over my head at the time, but I loved it. Might have to pull that off the bookshelf later.
 
2012-06-26 11:56:17 AM  
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2012-06-26 11:56:24 AM  

Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.


I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.
 
2012-06-26 11:57:02 AM  

Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.


I dunno. The Christians have got their oddballs out there, too. Snake handlers, speaking in tongues, full on fundies, etc.
 
2012-06-26 11:59:16 AM  
Yay, the Jewish Civil War has begun.

Somewhere a certain Farker's head has just asploded.
 
2012-06-26 11:59:33 AM  

gilgigamesh: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.

A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.

I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.



And I thought the Truthers were a crazy damn bunch, but this HAS to top the list for crazy, assuming they also accept the fact that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.
 
2012-06-26 12:00:41 PM  

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2012-06-26 12:01:47 PM  
I don't know, I guess it's the fact that I've always seen the Jewish as the 'mature and wizened' branch of monotheistic belief. They've never pushed their faith on anyone and there hasn't been a single Jewish Crusade to convert the world.

They just wanna be left alone to practice their faith in peace. Well, except for these loony toons.
 
2012-06-26 12:02:04 PM  

gilgigamesh: Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.

A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.

I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.


Farking Satmars. The farking WBC of Judaism. Rest assured, if there is a morally defensible position, these farkers will be nowhere near it. Every other sect of Chasidut is pretty cool (except when they're being morons about social norms), but Satmars...fark them with a rusty steak knife.

There's a reason Maher interviewed them for Religulous.
 
2012-06-26 12:03:02 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: eh, doesn't even surprise me. Crazy insular community always feeling under attack by Israel yet getting all sorts of benefits from it (no IDF, lots of aid), makes sense that an idea this stupid would rise up somewhere in that group.

what_now: sweetmelissa31: Lehi supported Nazi Germany before they realized the Jews were actually going to be exterminated rather than deported.

That has to be an embarrassing thing to admit to in the newsletter.

Their Wiki page actually gets more depressing from there. Lots of dead civilians, an assassination, and then amnesty yippee.

/I hate extremists no matter what side they're on


It gets even worse. One of Lehi's leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, eventually got elected Prime Minister.
 
2012-06-26 12:03:03 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.


ronaprhys: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I dunno. The Christians have got their oddballs out there, too. Snake handlers, speaking in tongues, full on fundies, etc.


Oh, I'm not saying that Christianity doesn't have those dudes. It just seems like there's a lot more in the middle. Christianity is eh... probably 20% fundie, 60% in the middle, 20% relaxed. At least in how much those people influence society. There probably aren't many Haredi Jews but their influence seems to be about 30%. If that makes any sense.

Conservatives I count in the guys that lead prayer and stuff. Not exactly in the "we're going to rebuild the Temple and start sacrifices to God again ASAP" group, but not exactly in the "we're reforming" group either. Of course, your mileage may vary with the individuals you know.

/it's early
 
2012-06-26 12:04:00 PM  
Were the suspects dressed up as Elmo?
 
2012-06-26 12:04:10 PM  

fawlty: And I thought the Truthers were a crazy damn bunch, but this HAS to top the list for crazy, assuming they also accept the fact that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.


They do (well, some do. Others need to deny the numbers to justify the rest of the crazy business), but they believe that the Holocaust was divine punishment for even thinking about a Jewish homeland (Theodor Herzl's dream in the late 1890s).
 
2012-06-26 12:05:36 PM  

LMark: StreetlightInTheGhetto: eh, doesn't even surprise me. Crazy insular community always feeling under attack by Israel yet getting all sorts of benefits from it (no IDF, lots of aid), makes sense that an idea this stupid would rise up somewhere in that group.

what_now: sweetmelissa31: Lehi supported Nazi Germany before they realized the Jews were actually going to be exterminated rather than deported.

That has to be an embarrassing thing to admit to in the newsletter.

Their Wiki page actually gets more depressing from there. Lots of dead civilians, an assassination, and then amnesty yippee.

/I hate extremists no matter what side they're on

It gets even worse. One of Lehi's leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, eventually got elected Prime Minister.


find one nation formed in the last 300 years who's founding fathers were saints, even Gandhi's followers turned around and went to war with Pakistan
 
2012-06-26 12:06:15 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.


Quick summary for those who don't know much about Judaism:

Reform - Conservative - Orthadox:

"You can follow these laws" - "You should follow these laws" - "You follow these laws".

With Hasidim being on an entirely different chart.

/The Orthadox-Hasidic gap actually parallels Protestantism and Catholicism just a little, in terms of some belief differences.
 
2012-06-26 12:09:07 PM  
Hey, they're just trying to follow and uphold THE LAW as they've interpreted it. You'd think they could find some way of rules-lawyering around the matter though. Have their goy neighbor come over and press the button to turn on the Israel sign or something.
 
2012-06-26 12:09:41 PM  

Dafatone: The One True TheDavid: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.

Quick summary for those who don't know much about Judaism:

Reform - Conservative - Orthadox:

"You can follow these laws" - "You should follow these laws" - "You follow these laws".

With Hasidim being on an entirely different chart.

/The Orthadox-Hasidic gap actually parallels Protestantism and Catholicism just a little, in terms of some belief differences.


Basically, this.

Again, from what I've seen.
 
2012-06-26 12:10:52 PM  

Infernalist: They've never pushed their faith on anyone and there hasn't been a single Jewish Crusade to convert the world.


You might want to go read the old testament of the Jewish holy book before you make statements like this.
 
2012-06-26 12:11:10 PM  
Do they feel guilty for such self-hatred? Or do they hate themselves for such guilt?

Or are they just intolerant crazies in the center of the Earth's Crazy Zone, right on the corner of Racist Bigots Boulevard and Annointed Asswipes Way?
 
2012-06-26 12:12:27 PM  

Infernalist: I don't know, I guess it's the fact that I've always seen the Jewish as the 'mature and wizened' branch of monotheistic belief. They've never pushed their faith on anyone and there hasn't been a single Jewish Crusade to convert the world.

They just wanna be left alone to practice their faith in peace. Well, except for these loony toons.


Yeah, and those stupid people on the land they wanted to use to be left alone to practice their faith in peace.

Every religion has its ugly side*. My best friend growing up was Hindu (I actually knowingly met anyone Jewish til college, which looking back, was kind of weird) and they certainly do not proselytize. I'd hang out with her at their version of catechism if I slept over at her house and if I checked out a book, great, if not, whatever.

But then there's Hindu vs. Muslim and Christians freaking riots in India.

/shrug

*except *maybe* the Shakers but they're long gone... correction, there are 5 left.
 
2012-06-26 12:12:32 PM  

GungFu: Somewhere a certain Farker's head has just asploded.


Nah, he knows all about the Satmars and talks about them in even more strident tones than Doc Dreidel.

To keep TFA in perspective, think of your reaction if the BBC sent a reporter to observe snake-handling-and-speaking-in-tongues fundies in Appalachia, and then soberly reported them as representative of mainstream American Christianity.
 
2012-06-26 12:14:43 PM  

Dafatone: /The Orthadox-Hasidic gap actually parallels Protestantism and Catholicism just a little, in terms of some belief differences.


The difference between Hasidim and regular Orthodox is analogous to the difference between the Catholic who believes in guardian angels and demonic possessions and regularly prays to saints and holds fast to a myriad mystical folk superstitions that have wrapped themselves up with Catholic worship among peasants in his ethnic group; and a particularly faithful Jesuit-educated man who knows theology back and forth but doesn't care for too much mysticism and sparkles.
 
2012-06-26 12:16:45 PM  

indylaw: Dafatone: /The Orthadox-Hasidic gap actually parallels Protestantism and Catholicism just a little, in terms of some belief differences.

The difference between Hasidim and regular Orthodox is analogous to the difference between the Catholic who believes in guardian angels and demonic possessions and regularly prays to saints and holds fast to a myriad mystical folk superstitions that have wrapped themselves up with Catholic worship among peasants in his ethnic group; and a particularly faithful Jesuit-educated man who knows theology back and forth but doesn't care for too much mysticism and sparkles.


Which is to say that they believe basically the same things, but one approaches the religion from an emotional-mystical viewpoint and the other approaches the same religion from a colder intellectual viewpoint.
 
2012-06-26 12:16:45 PM  
i blame the caffeine
 
2012-06-26 12:17:20 PM  
Somewhere out there on Storm Front, a certain young man named czarangelous is hearing this news and making plans to grow his hair back out and join them.
 
2012-06-26 12:18:47 PM  
Please don't lump in the rest of us Ultra-Orthodox Jews with those people. Those are Neturei Karta, who today fancy calling themselves 'Sikrikim', literally 'the fanatics'. There is almost a million Chareidi Jews in Israel, and these people number at most 1,000.

They are violent thugs who routinely attack other Orthodox Jews, they are behind arsons, vandalism, attacks on people, and all sorts of disgusting behaviors under the banner of 'anti-zionism'.

They have no leaders, they listen to no one and just do as they please. They are thugs wearing shtreimels and have no support in Chareidi society. Even other anti-zionist groups like Satmar have put them under a ban of ostracization and refuses to associate with them.
 
2012-06-26 12:22:29 PM  
The headline would have been better if it ended with "what what"
 
2012-06-26 12:22:57 PM  

Tatsuma: Please don't lump in the rest of us Ultra-Orthodox Jews with those people. Those are Neturei Karta, who today fancy calling themselves 'Sikrikim', literally 'the fanatics'. There is almost a million Chareidi Jews in Israel, and these people number at most 1,000.

They are violent thugs who routinely attack other Orthodox Jews, they are behind arsons, vandalism, attacks on people, and all sorts of disgusting behaviors under the banner of 'anti-zionism'.

They have no leaders, they listen to no one and just do as they please. They are thugs wearing shtreimels and have no support in Chareidi society. Even other anti-zionist groups like Satmar have put them under a ban of ostracization and refuses to associate with them.


Is their number growing our does it stay roughly the same?
 
2012-06-26 12:23:41 PM  

indylaw: Dafatone: /The Orthadox-Hasidic gap actually parallels Protestantism and Catholicism just a little, in terms of some belief differences.

The difference between Hasidim and regular Orthodox is analogous to the difference between the Catholic who believes in guardian angels and demonic possessions and regularly prays to saints and holds fast to a myriad mystical folk superstitions that have wrapped themselves up with Catholic worship among peasants in his ethnic group; and a particularly faithful Jesuit-educated man who knows theology back and forth but doesn't care for too much mysticism and sparkles.


You're saying Haredi Jews are religiously and generally ignorant and uneducated and their opposition to the state of Israel is based on superstitious mysticism? Sounds like bullsh*t to me.
 
2012-06-26 12:25:12 PM  

Marine1: The One True TheDavid: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.

ronaprhys: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I dunno. The Christians have got their oddballs out there, too. Snake handlers, speaking in tongues, full on fundies, etc.

Oh, I'm not saying that Christianity doesn't have those dudes. It just seems like there's a lot more in the middle. Christianity is eh... probably 20% fundie, 60% in the middle, 20% relaxed. At least in how much those people influence society. There probably aren't many Haredi Jews but their influence seems to be about 30%. If that makes any sense.

Conservatives I count in the guys that lead prayer and stuff. Not exactly in the "we're going to rebuild the Temple and start sacrifices to God again ASAP" group, but not exactly in the "we're reforming" group either. Of course, your mileage may vary with the individuals you know.

/it's early


Do you mean in America, Israel, or in general with that 30% number? It's lower in America, I can tell you that much.
 
2012-06-26 12:26:42 PM  

Somacandra: The convolutions that some far-right parties in Israel will go to in order to exert political influence while officially denying the legitimacy of Israel are legendary.


Pure uneducated non-sense.

First of all, most of those parties would be classified as 'leftist' on most social issues, especially in terms of benefits for families, healthcare, etc... They are in the Knesset only in order to better the lot of their constituents, and these people mostly care about having food on the table and being able to send their kids to school.

There isn't a single religious party in the knesset that denies the legitimacy of Israel. The only legendary thing here is once again your utter ignorance on all Jewish issues.

gilgigamesh: I'll be damned. I never would have suspected such a fringe exists. Learn something new every day, I guess.


They are called Neturei Karta

They are the same people that went to Ahmadinejad and kissed him, hang out with Hamas and were holding prayer vigils for Arafat. They are lehavdil ben kodesh lchol the Westboro of the Jewish world, and treated with just as much contempt and in as much isolation

sweetmelissa31: Lehi supported Nazi Germany


They did not support Nazi Germany, in as much as they said: "Hey, you don't want Jews in Europe, we don't want Jews in Europe, you don't like the British, so don't we, so just send us all your Jews, and we'll kick the British out of here"


Not exactly the same as supporting them
 
2012-06-26 12:27:53 PM  

Dafatone: Marine1: The One True TheDavid: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I take it you've never heard of Conservative Judaism. (link)

And concerning Xianity, that you've never been to the South.

ronaprhys: Marine1: MadSkillz: Marine1: The girlfriend is Jewish.

I don't get how a community which is so incredibly reasonable can have a sect that is so... out there.

Crazy people in every sect.

Yeah, but it's either feast or famine. You either have a college-educated guy who is incredibly smart and leads prayers at the synagogue, or you have a guy that seriously wants to return back to the ways of the time before 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, letter and punctuation. Christianity has a much more even distribution.

I dunno. The Christians have got their oddballs out there, too. Snake handlers, speaking in tongues, full on fundies, etc.

Oh, I'm not saying that Christianity doesn't have those dudes. It just seems like there's a lot more in the middle. Christianity is eh... probably 20% fundie, 60% in the middle, 20% relaxed. At least in how much those people influence society. There probably aren't many Haredi Jews but their influence seems to be about 30%. If that makes any sense.

Conservatives I count in the guys that lead prayer and stuff. Not exactly in the "we're going to rebuild the Temple and start sacrifices to God again ASAP" group, but not exactly in the "we're reforming" group either. Of course, your mileage may vary with the individuals you know.

/it's early

Do you mean in ...


Israel.
 
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