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(CNN)   Turkey has changed its rules of engagement toward Syria from "defense only" to "biatchslap"   (cnn.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, turkeys, Prime Minister of Turkey, Erdogan, regional powers, reconnaissance, sovereign state, United States Secretary of Defense, United Nations Security Council  
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2012-06-26 08:42:31 AM  
2 votes:
Why are we not defusing this situation? Have we no Nobel-Prize-Winning peacemakers?
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2012-06-26 11:45:23 AM  
1 vote:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: If an F-4 belonging to the, lets say Mexican, military flew into US airspace for an unknown, but brief, amount of time, and the US military shot the plane down, what level of retaliation do you think would be appropriate for Mexico?

Syria's current oppression of an opposition movement is horrific, and the current leadership needs to go, preferably to the Hague, but I think people are confusing two different issues:

1. the current human rights abuses
2. shooting down a military jet that violated its airspace

Because lets be honest, in the above example, the reaction from most Americans wouldn't be "well, that was probably an overzealous response to a brief navigational miscalculation." It would be "AMERICAN #1 FARK YEAH WE SHOWED THEM!"


The Mexican Army has crossed our borders more than once in recent years. We haven't done shiat about it.

If a Mexican AF plane crossed into our airspace we would attempt to hail them. We would scramble jets to intercept them. You can bet your sweet ass we would only shoot them down as a last resort.

According to reports Syria made no attempt to contact the Turkish F-4. There are conflicting reports as to whether it was in Syrian airspace (Turkey says no, Syria says yes). There are further reports that Syria also fired on a search and rescue aircraft looking for any survivors from the F-4.

And I think you generalize Americans too quickly. Certainly there would be the "America! Fark Yeah!" contingent, but there would also be some demanding criminal charges for anyone in the military chain of command who had anything to do with the whole thing.
2012-06-26 10:44:48 AM  
1 vote:
I'd actually like to hear more details. There's a pretty big difference between, "Syria blasted them outta the sky 1.2 seconds after the Turkish plane entered their air space," and "Syrian forces attempted to hail the craft, but it wouldn't respond and when it failed to alter course to exit Syrian air space it was shot down."

The reality of the situation could be anywhere in between the extremes and the only details I've read state the Turkish plane crossed into Syria's air space and that the plane was shot down by Syrian forces.
2012-06-26 10:43:49 AM  
1 vote:
Still Turkeys' fault for being in the wrong airspace. No amount of whining is going to change that.
2012-06-26 09:34:41 AM  
1 vote:

GentDirkly: Sorry Turkey. Article V only comes into play if it's unambiguous that you were the victim and not the aggressor. Article V didn't come into play when the Soviets downed KAL 007.


I don't see them asking for that. I do see them asking for diplomatic backing. They will take care of Syria alone.
2012-06-26 09:27:28 AM  
1 vote:

czetie: I think Syria has just made a horrible miscalculation. With Russia blocking UN resolutions, the West was stymied from legitimate intervention. By shooting down a plane from a NATO member country, Syria gave them all the excuse they need.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that the Turks deliberately provoked an attack (perhaps not expecting to actually lose the plane and crew) with a little game of "I'm in your airspace! Now I'm not! Now I am!". I'm sure this meeting between the US Navy command for Europe and the Turkish Naval Forces Command Chief of Intelligence two weeks ago was entirely coincidental.


As long as the Arab League is staying out, NATO will stay out as well. Syria is a much more complex place than Libya was, and Assad is not an international terrorist like Qaddafi was.
2012-06-26 08:59:33 AM  
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spentmiles: I've got a feeling we are on the verge of a major mishap. Turkey, in retaliation, deploys its bombers for a precision strike which is blown of course by a sudden, massive sandstorm. The bombers drop their loads which accidentally kill all of the Russian soliders protecting the Russian embassy in Syria. Outraged, Russia launches a small nuclear strike against the capital of Turkey. The civilians, with no where to run, are told to eat massive amounts of damp bread in hopes to absorb the radiation fall out. When the strike hits, everyone for a thousand mile radius is roasted a golden brown, most noteably the workers at the cranberry canning factory, eight hundred miles from ground zero. They lay down next to the split cranberry, their stomachs packed with bread, their skin crispy brown. As part of an international team, an American expert group enters the factory to assess the damage. Then, due to a roof collapse, they are forced to eat the Turks, saying a prayer of both thanks and forgiveness before gorging on their tender meat. Nothing is ever the same again.


On a scale of 1 to PocketNinja, I give this a C+. Not bad, but needs polish and focus.
2012-06-26 08:51:27 AM  
1 vote:
I've got a feeling we are on the verge of a major mishap. Turkey, in retaliation, deploys its bombers for a precision strike which is blown of course by a sudden, massive sandstorm. The bombers drop their loads which accidentally kill all of the Russian soliders protecting the Russian embassy in Syria. Outraged, Russia launches a small nuclear strike against the capital of Turkey. The civilians, with no where to run, are told to eat massive amounts of damp bread in hopes to absorb the radiation fall out. When the strike hits, everyone for a thousand mile radius is roasted a golden brown, most noteably the workers at the cranberry canning factory, eight hundred miles from ground zero. They lay down next to the split cranberry, their stomachs packed with bread, their skin crispy brown. As part of an international team, an American expert group enters the factory to assess the damage. Then, due to a roof collapse, they are forced to eat the Turks, saying a prayer of both thanks and forgiveness before gorging on their tender meat. Nothing is ever the same again.
2012-06-26 08:47:18 AM  
1 vote:
GilRuiz1

Why are we not defusing this situation? Have we no Nobel-Prize-Winning peacemakers?


Yes - Yes we do!i.telegraph.co.uk
2012-06-26 08:41:05 AM  
1 vote:
That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
2012-06-26 08:31:41 AM  
1 vote:
Well someone needs to do something.
 
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