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(Grantland)   A funeral eulogy for the BCS. The evil that the BCS does lives after it; The good is oft interred with its bones. Five reason we will miss the BCS, even though we don't realize it yet   (grantland.com) divider line 257
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2012-06-26 10:13:07 AM
The drumbeats for "this new system is terrible" are already starting. The only universally acceptable system is the one that declares (my team) the champion of the universe.
 
2012-06-26 10:18:29 AM
College football....modern day slavery.
 
2012-06-26 10:20:57 AM
Rule #1 of the new system: Paying players is unacceptable but letting an assistant coach play Tickle Monster and rape boys in the football team's showers? No punishment.
 
2012-06-26 10:27:26 AM

Trackball: College football....modern day slavery.


Oh shut up.

I said this for the past few years, as flawed as the BCS is, it has given us great match ups instead of bullshiat games that allowed BYU to get a title playing a crappy Michigan team in the farking holiday bowl.

The BCS may have sucked in some peoples opinions but it was a hell of a lot better than what we previously had and that is not even debatable.
 
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2012-06-26 10:30:03 AM
Die BCS. Die.
 
2012-06-26 10:35:36 AM

GoodyearPimp: The drumbeats for "this new system is terrible" are already starting. The only universally acceptable system is the one that declares (my team) the champion of the universe.


Duh. Drunken baseless rantings are what college football fans live to do. If it stopped now then 100,000 livers (and several trees around Auburn) would have died in vain and conference pride will slowly go the way of the Stegasaurus and drop kick.
 
2012-06-26 10:39:30 AM

steamingpile: The BCS may have sucked in some peoples opinions but it was a hell of a lot better than what we previously had and that is not even debatable.


Holy shiat we agree on something.

And in X years, when the playoff expands to 8 or something, we'll be saying that the 4 team playoff sucked but it was a hell of a lot better than the BCS, and so on.

/Man, an 8-16 team college football playoff would be AWESOME. Maybe it's not the most fair option. But it would be tons of epic.
 
2012-06-26 10:41:04 AM
i've said it before and i'll say it again:

1) playoffs are not a panacea. and when it expands past four teams, that will be a sad day
2) the players deserve some cash, but that doesn't have to come from the schools
3) fark the ncaa!
 
2012-06-26 10:42:36 AM
the BCS was a bridge to something better... a rotten, terrible bridge that everybody liked until it actually came time to pick the 2 teams upon which nobody liked it... but a bridge nonetheless to better things that actually make regular seasons actually matter (a playoff)
 
2012-06-26 10:46:05 AM
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

It's impossible to have 120 some-odd teams playing in only a 12 game season and have any meaningful grasp of who should be in a tournament.

I thought this was a good article with a lot of solid points. The only thing I would have rather seen is a championship game if the BCS spread was small enough after the bowls.
 
2012-06-26 10:47:54 AM

A Fark Handle: i've said it before and i'll say it again:

1) playoffs are not a panacea. and when it expands past four teams, that will be a sad day
2) the players deserve some cash, but that doesn't have to come from the schools
3) fark the ncaa!


Sorry, dude. Wasn't mocking. Was actually a coincidence.
 
2012-06-26 10:49:52 AM

Dafatone: /Man, an 8-16 team college football playoff would be AWESOME. Maybe it's not the most fair option. But it would be tons of epic.


yeah for the general sports fans that are only casual college football fans and loves gambling and brackets, a bracket will be great entertainment for a couple of weeks (of course completely over shadowed by that other gambling event called the nfl playoffs/super bowl). but it won't add much for a college football fan that already follows every week. hell it probably will detract from my enjoyment. fark a 12-4 team being crowned "champs" over a 15-1 team. ugh, stupid nfl light.
 
2012-06-26 10:57:26 AM

A Fark Handle: Dafatone: /Man, an 8-16 team college football playoff would be AWESOME. Maybe it's not the most fair option. But it would be tons of epic.

yeah for the general sports fans that are only casual college football fans and loves gambling and brackets, a bracket will be great entertainment for a couple of weeks (of course completely over shadowed by that other gambling event called the nfl playoffs/super bowl). but it won't add much for a college football fan that already follows every week. hell it probably will detract from my enjoyment. fark a 12-4 team being crowned "champs" over a 15-1 team. ugh, stupid nfl light.


Let me guess, you're a fan of some traditional power team?

Because there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON a team should be able to run the table and not have a shot at the championship. Kick them out of FCS if that's the case. How do you sit your kids down at the beginning of the season if you're a mid-major team, or a big east team (okay they do suck), or even a non-traditional power big12 or pac12 team, and say "we're going to go out there, and we're going to win every single game, and we're going to... come in third!"
 
2012-06-26 11:11:12 AM
The only championships in college foootball that will ever be truly meaningful are conference championships.
 
2012-06-26 11:11:42 AM

Dafatone: /Man, an 8-16 team college football playoff would be AWESOME. Maybe it's not the most fair option. But it would be tons of epic.


It's going to take awhile (I'm guessing about 20 years), but eventually we'll have a 16-team playoffs with the winner from each conference qualifying automatically, and a handful of wildcard teams to round out the mix.

The fact is, the powers that be will gradually start realizing that a playoffs is way more profitable for everyone involved than the BCS, the expansion will bring in more money, and money runs the world.

/I also expect stepping stones in the form of 6-, 8- and 12-team playoffs along the way.
 
2012-06-26 11:13:01 AM

Dafatone: How do you sit your kids down at the beginning of the season if you're a mid-major team, or a big east team (okay they do suck), or even a non-traditional power big12 or pac12 team, and say "we're going to go out there, and we're going to win every single game, and we're going to... come in third!"


Which is why it was fine to not have a championship game.
 
2012-06-26 11:17:48 AM

Dafatone: Let me guess, you're a fan of some traditional power team?

Because there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON a team should be able to run the table and not have a shot at the championship. Kick them out of FCS if that's the case. How do you sit your kids down at the beginning of the season if you're a mid-major team, or a big east team (okay they do suck), or even a non-traditional power big12 or pac12 team, and say "we're going to go out there, and we're going to win every single game, and we're going to... come in third!"


yes, i am. tennessee if it matters.

but 1) as for booting them to 1aa, yeah i would argue that there are way too many teams in 1a football. western kentucky? why not have south eastern north central texas state go 1a too? i could list who i would boot if you wanted, but no one cares. 2) i'm ok with a four team playoff. it's allows for the debate to shift to who's number 5. (and yes i know that not too long ago we had five undefeated teams entering the bowl season). and the bowls are evil, so fark them. 3) ny giants 15-5 "champions" over the 18-1 pats when the season series was tied 1-1 (neutral site and @ nyc) and the aggregate score was even. seems stupid to me. not the only time that has happened.

/no system is perfect.
 
2012-06-26 11:18:24 AM

IAmRight: Which is why it was fine to not have a championship game.


Yeah, but not having a championship game really limits the cash you can bring in. And everyone knows what is king in this sport.
 
2012-06-26 11:21:06 AM

A Fark Handle: /no system is perfect.


While you are correct there, at least we are moving toward allowing more inclusion into the NC game and this will (hopefully) reduce the possibility of having an undefeated team left out simply because they are not a traditional power.
 
2012-06-26 11:21:52 AM

A Fark Handle: i've said it before and i'll say it again:

1) playoffs are not a panacea. and when it expands past four teams, that will be a sad day
2) the players deserve some cash, but that doesn't have to come from the schools
3) fark the ncaa!


The players get paid cash money in addition to their scholarships. They've been getting paid for years. It's legitimate, above-board, and is about the same as what minor league players in other sports get.
 
2012-06-26 11:22:35 AM

HeadLever: While you are correct there, at least we are moving toward allowing more inclusion into the NC game and this will (hopefully) reduce the possibility of having an undefeated team left out simply because they are not a traditional power.


And simply because they played a schedule that 20 teams could go through undefeated.
 
2012-06-26 11:23:35 AM

GoodyearPimp: The drumbeats for "this new system is terrible" are already starting. The only universally acceptable system is the one that declares (my team) the champion of the universe doesn't depend on subjective voting.


FTFY
 
2012-06-26 11:24:02 AM

meanmutton: The players get paid cash money in addition to their scholarships.


People that don't know this by now are intentionally ignoring it because it suits their purposes.
 
2012-06-26 11:25:02 AM

Trackball: College football....modern day slavery.


Slaves didn't get a cash salary. NCAA athletes do.
 
2012-06-26 11:27:18 AM
I really do not think that the BCS did any of the things mentioned in that article.
 
2012-06-26 11:27:39 AM
Subjective voting:

Good enough to elect the people that make our laws and represent us to the world. Not good enough to determine the best football teams.
 
2012-06-26 11:27:57 AM

meanmutton: Trackball: College football....modern day slavery.

Slaves didn't get a cash salary. NCAA athletes do.


I'll never go nearly as far as to call it slavery, and I get that. I just don't like that schools can sell merchandise that strongly implies a player's likeness, but heaven forbid the player himself gets a little extra for it. That strikes me as more than a little unfair.
 
2012-06-26 11:30:26 AM

IAmRight: And simply because they played a schedule that 20 teams could go through undefeated.


Strawman. I did not say that SoS or other similar ranking would need to be thrown out the window. In fact, it is the opposite. These metrics will still need to be used for the new system. As I stated, this is good because increases the NC chances of those good teams that don't always finish first in the prom dance voting.

Teams that have proven thier worth out on the field should have a chance to prove it out on the field.
 
2012-06-26 11:32:20 AM

IAmRight: Subjective voting:


Really? Are you really that unfamiliar as to how we elect our leaders?
 
2012-06-26 11:35:03 AM

HeadLever: Really? Are you really that unfamiliar as to how we elect our leaders?


Oh right, our voters are very well-informed. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
 
2012-06-26 11:36:02 AM

A Fark Handle: Dafatone: Let me guess, you're a fan of some traditional power team?

Because there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON a team should be able to run the table and not have a shot at the championship. Kick them out of FCS if that's the case. How do you sit your kids down at the beginning of the season if you're a mid-major team, or a big east team (okay they do suck), or even a non-traditional power big12 or pac12 team, and say "we're going to go out there, and we're going to win every single game, and we're going to... come in third!"

yes, i am. tennessee if it matters.

but 1) as for booting them to 1aa, yeah i would argue that there are way too many teams in 1a football. western kentucky? why not have south eastern north central texas state go 1a too? i could list who i would boot if you wanted, but no one cares. 2) i'm ok with a four team playoff. it's allows for the debate to shift to who's number 5. (and yes i know that not too long ago we had five undefeated teams entering the bowl season). and the bowls are evil, so fark them. 3) ny giants 15-5 "champions" over the 18-1 pats when the season series was tied 1-1 (neutral site and @ nyc) and the aggregate score was even. seems stupid to me. not the only time that has happened.

/no system is perfect.


I agree with 1 and 2. As for 3, EVERY OTHER SPORT (in this country) ends in a tournament. I hear people complain about how a tournament isn't fair and therefore shouldn't be brought to college football. But no one is campaigning to get rid of these tournaments in other sports. Because everyone loves them and you'd get run out of town for trying to end them.
 
2012-06-26 11:38:12 AM

IAmRight: Oh right, our voters are very well-informed.


The actual election process is not subjective at all. However, it looks like you were saying that the individual votes are subjective, which whould be correct.
 
2012-06-26 11:40:24 AM

HeadLever: The actual election process is not subjective at all.


Except for that it's entirely based upon nothing but subjective decisions.
 
2012-06-26 11:53:55 AM

A Fark Handle: 2) the players deserve some cash, but that doesn't have to come from the schools


The players don't deserve any more than they already get, a free education and if they are good enough to play in professionally then they get a showcase for their talents. I have yet to hear a good argument as to why they deserve more than this.
 
2012-06-26 11:54:54 AM
Eventually, (2040?) We'll get a 16-team playoff made up of 11 conference champs and 5 at large, seeded by the BCS rankings, using the minor bowls as playoff sites. It's a simple, fair and obvious solution that will eventually bring in $$$ for colleges/bowls/NCAA/BCS, so naturally, it'll take close to 3 decades to actually happen.
 
2012-06-26 12:07:19 PM

LucklessWonder: Eventually, (2040?) We'll get a 16-team playoff made up of 11 conference champs and 5 at large, seeded by the BCS rankings, using the minor bowls as playoff sites. It's a simple, fair and obvious solution that will eventually bring in $$$ for colleges/bowls/NCAA/BCS, so naturally, it'll take close to 3 decades to actually happen.


lol by that time it'll be a 32-team tournament or more.

It's like you people are completely unaware of what has happened with every NCAA tournament.
 
2012-06-26 12:11:14 PM

GoodyearPimp: The drumbeats for "this new system is terrible" are already starting. The only universally acceptable system is the one that declares (my team) the champion of the universe.


It's funny the strange bedfellows of sports. The people making these claims have odd allies in the sudden emergence of Fark college football hipsters who think a playoff system ruins the sport.
 
2012-06-26 12:18:05 PM

IAmRight: Except for that it's entirely based upon nothing but subjective decisions.


As I said, the process is not. The individual votes are.
 
2012-06-26 12:20:52 PM

Owangotang: Rule #1 of the new system: Paying players is unacceptable but letting an assistant coach play Tickle Monster and rape boys in the football team's showers? No punishment.


I felt sorry for you, so I'm going to respond to your trolling.
 
2012-06-26 12:21:26 PM

HeadLever: As I said, the process is not. The individual votes are.


Well then there's nothing subjective about the BCS, either.
 
2012-06-26 12:27:24 PM

HeadLever: IAmRight: Except for that it's entirely based upon nothing but subjective decisions.

As I said, the process is not. The individual votes are.


What? Can you explain this is terms that I can understand?

Are you saying that the subjective votes, taken as a whole, somehow negates out the subjectivity, and popularity contests are actually objectively legitimate?
 
2012-06-26 12:32:16 PM

IAmRight: Well then there's nothing subjective about the BCS, either.


The process - no; the individual votes - yes
 
2012-06-26 12:36:02 PM
/ The BCS was a playoff
// It was just too small
 
2012-06-26 12:36:10 PM

IAmRight: HeadLever: While you are correct there, at least we are moving toward allowing more inclusion into the NC game and this will (hopefully) reduce the possibility of having an undefeated team left out simply because they are not a traditional power.

And simply because they played a schedule that 20 teams could go through undefeated.


Unless those teams are turning down invites from the SEC and Big 12 (hint, they aren't), this is just circular logic. "You aren't good enough because you don't play good enough schedules, and we won't schedule you because you aren't good enough."
 
2012-06-26 12:37:01 PM

HeadLever: The process - no; the individual votes - yes


So my original statement stands - subjective voting is good enough to choose the people that run the country and represent us to the world, but not good enough to determine who the best football teams are in a given year.
 
2012-06-26 12:37:20 PM

meanmutton: The players get paid cash money in addition to their scholarships. They've been getting paid for years. It's legitimate, above-board, and is about the same as what minor league players in other sports get.


Emrick: The players don't deserve any more than they already get, a free education and if they are good enough to play in professionally then they get a showcase for their talents. I have yet to hear a good argument as to why they deserve more than this.


i'm well aware that they get a small stipend. and i'm not even saying the schools have to pay them more. though i think they should pay them more, as they generate a great deal more revenue than all of the other minor leagues that are frequently used as comparisons. of course there are the scholarships to be factored in, but still i'm pretty sure that if the pay was collectively bargained it would be more than $1-2K a month and a $30K non-transferable scholarship. further why are the athletes not allowed outside sources of income, be they endorsement deals, appearance fees, etc? a computer science student on scholarship is allowed to do outside consulting work. many grad students do outside work utilizing their unique talents and skills. why is a football/basketball player not allowed to do so? never mind the fraud that is the ncaa/schools claiming the players' likenesses in perpetuity.
 
2012-06-26 12:38:18 PM

Slow To Return: What? Can you explain this is terms that I can understand?


The process largley is not based in subjective reasoning or belief, but a well defined process which compiles the votes and produces a result from that.

The voting itself is based in subjective reasoning.
 
2012-06-26 12:40:31 PM

IAmRight: subjective voting is good enough to choose the people that run the country and represent us to the world, but not good enough to determine who the best football teams are in a given year.


As I stated, The actual election process is not subjective at all. However, it looks like you were saying that the individual votes are subjective, which whould be correct.

Are you having that tough of a time understanding what I am saying?
 
2012-06-26 12:48:25 PM

Slow To Return: The only championships in college foootball that will ever be truly meaningful are conference championships.


and with 14 team (and soon to be 16 team conferences playing 8 or maybe 9 conference game those are becoming more questionable. last year in the sec georgia played in the conference championship game even though south carolina was undeated in divisional play (losing sec games to auburn and arkansas). as conference grow annual crossover variation (or lack there of) will matter. last year tennesse had the pleasure of playing bama, arkansas, and lsu as its western opponents. that's a little tougher schedule than georgia drawing ole miss, mississippi state, and auburn in 2011.

/thought the pac-10 round robin was the best conference championship going.
//of course they killed it.
 
2012-06-26 12:57:50 PM

HeadLever: Are you having that tough of a time understanding what I am saying?


I'm having an extremely tough time trying to figure out how you're actually refuting his point.... or if you're even trying to?
 
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