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(NPR)   We evolved to eat meat--which clearly means vegetarians and vegans are subhuman--but how much meat is too much?   (npr.org) divider line 223
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2012-06-25 11:56:48 PM
For your Mom? About six inches at a time.
 
2012-06-26 12:04:08 AM
FTA: "the paleo approach is to eliminate grains and processed food, which are relatively new to the human diet."

I'd like to put this quote a bit in context by saying that when they've dug Neanderthals out of glaciers they got stuck in back in the ice age, they've had bread in their bags. We haven't been eating grains for as long as fruit or meat, but it's not like something we came up with 4,000 years ago.
 
2012-06-26 12:06:12 AM
Subhuman is such a divisive stigma..... I prefer to think of them as 'the differently edible'.
 
2012-06-26 12:09:41 AM
Bah.
ilianrachov.com
 
2012-06-26 12:14:53 AM

Bob_Laublaw: Subhuman is such a divisive stigma..... I prefer to think of them as 'the differently edible'.


"Long Pork": the other other white meat!
 
2012-06-26 12:19:57 AM
I'll eat anything that walked, swam, or had other means of locomotion. But I'm not here to judge vegetarians. I merely ask for the same courtesy.

Does that about cover it? Good. Last one out of thread please turn out the lights.
 
2012-06-26 12:33:21 AM

We're totally missing a very important question here:

farm1.staticflickr.com


But did Jesus eat dinosaurs?
 
2012-06-26 12:35:50 AM
Some vegetarians love animals, but some just really hate plants.
 
2012-06-26 12:36:30 AM
We should eat like cavemen because cavemen had the most awesome lives evar.
 
2012-06-26 12:41:41 AM
farm3.static.flickr.com

"I'm just doing it to be ironic."
 
2012-06-26 12:43:58 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-26 01:17:14 AM
MmmmHmmm, that is a tasty burger.
 
2012-06-26 01:25:08 AM

ox45tallboy: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

"I'm just doing it to be ironic."


Her mouth is full of emo goodness and green peaness
 
2012-06-26 01:28:58 AM

PhiloeBedoe: For your Mom? About six inches at a time.


Funny 'cause I thought 8 inches would've been enough, but nooooooo... she needed much much more.
 
2012-06-26 01:31:12 AM
Someone posted this in a thread a while back, and I thought I'd share:
farm3.static.flickr.com

/if you wanna be a vegetarian or vegan, fine by me
//just mind your own damn business...
 
2012-06-26 01:55:45 AM
 
2012-06-26 01:59:03 AM

dickfreckle: I merely ask for the same courtesy.


And most of us just want the same courtesy. It gets so annoying when every facebook post of "hey, where's a good vegetarian restaurant?" is met with "go eat meat, it's good for you," and politely declining ends up with someone who can't tell you what an amino acid is questioning you on your sources of protein. I don't know if it's because they feel insecure about their choice to eat meat, but man, the thought of someone living their life differently just make some people angry.

It's just unfortunate that PETA does what they do. It's like having the WBC as the spokesperson for Christianity, but it's always the crazies that get attention. But really, after over 20 years of putting up with omnivore bullshiat, it's always especially annoying for meateaters to act like the aggrieved party threads because there's a new ad out with some nice vegan boobage.

And man is that bingo board accurate.
 
2012-06-26 02:26:49 AM
Man, now I'm in the mood for Fogo De Chao

www.foodgps.com

/didn't read the article
 
2012-06-26 04:03:22 AM

Bob_Laublaw: Subhuman is such a divisive stigma..... I prefer to think of them as 'the differently edible'.


Hardy har.
 
2012-06-26 04:12:38 AM
We evolved to eat meat. -- Well, only partially correct.

Open your mouth and look at your teeth. You have fangs, cutters and grinders. Pure carnivores don't have this selection and neither do herbivores.

The skulls of prehistoric humans always show teeth designed for an omnivorous diet. As far back as 10,000 years, fossilized skulls showed wear on grinders due to processing seeds into flour in stone mills or hand grinding rocks. A lot of stone fragments got into the resulting flour and was consumed, which wore down the teeth.

Human evolved to be omnivores. A closer examination may point out that the majority of a prehistoric human's diet was vegetables since hunting was a dangerous and time consuming skill. Plant life was plentiful and easier to get but meat was vital for protein, which produced a better brain and muscles.

A lot of primitive camps show a bunch of bones about mainly because the bones were useful in tool making. Plus, primitives learned the benefits of cracking open the bones to get at the nutrient rich marrow.

Our digestive system is set up to process a variety of foods.

Until the industrial revolution, humans spent the majority of their time working themselves to death. With adequate good food, they could live healthy lives, but they worked hard for everything they had. Clothing was hand made, so was the material. Without adequate preservation, many foods had to be gathered fresh and eaten within days. People might walk 30 or 40 miles a day just gathering food plants and fuel for fires.

Cooking was not as good as you thought for ages. Basically, you threw the meat on the fire, burned the krap out of the outer layers and ate it. Some brilliant person later discovered herbs and the addition of salt.

Processed foods gained in popularity because by the 1800's, people were getting tired of taking all frikkin day to crank out two or three meals over a hot, wood fed stove or fire. Animals had to be butchered and cleaned, organs to be used later for things like sausages needed to be carefully stored so as not to spoil within hours, vegetables picked, cleaned and prepared, bread made from scratch, various greases carefully saved to be used in cooking, water hauled from wells in slimy buckets, and, afterwards, nothing would last more than two or three days with no refrigeration.

They actually had storage cabinets for left over, cooked food, tightly fitted to keep out rats, mice and most bugs. Food was usually kept in covered ceramic containers. In summer, by the third day, a broth would start to get 'high', meaning rotten. Most would eat it anyhow, reluctant to toss anything out. You might eat the same basic meal three days in a row.

Processed foods helped take the drudgery out of cooking and provided folks with easy, long term storage. You didn't need to buy a quarter of a cow to make beef stew and eat it for three days. You could buy a can and eat it for one meal.

So, there's good and bad points in the current diet, but our diet has mainly been pushed by corporations eager to make major bucks by capitalizing on our laziness, lack of cooking skills and desire for good tasting products. They don't care if the food isn't as healthy as home made. They care only that you buy like 20 cans of Chef Boyardee, four bottles of Johns Meat and spice spaghetti sauce and 10 cans of assorted Mother Maples Marvelous Soups.

BUT: evolution made humans omnivores. We can eat anything which doesn't eat us first. We're the primary predator on the planet and the most adaptable.
 
2012-06-26 04:57:30 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: dickfreckle: I merely ask for the same courtesy.

And most of us just want the same courtesy. It gets so annoying when every facebook post of "hey, where's a good vegetarian restaurant?" is met with "go eat meat, it's good for you," and politely declining ends up with someone who can't tell you what an amino acid is questioning you on your sources of protein. I don't know if it's because they feel insecure about their choice to eat meat, but man, the thought of someone living their life differently just make some people angry.

It's just unfortunate that PETA does what they do. It's like having the WBC as the spokesperson for Christianity, but it's always the crazies that get attention. But really, after over 20 years of putting up with omnivore bullshiat, it's always especially annoying for meateaters to act like the aggrieved party threads because there's a new ad out with some nice vegan boobage.

And man is that bingo board accurate.


That bingo board made me lol, too, if at my expense!

Sometimes it's fun to snark on vegetarians, like the he headline here does. But I don't mean anything by it (and I'm not subby). It's more poking fun at the veggie/omni wars than an actual insult, and thankfully most people I know have a sense of humor.

Back in the day I dated a morally-motivated vegetarian (lived with, actually). On road trips I would make chainsaw noises as we passed a cow pasture and she would blast Morrissey songs when she knew I was hungover. It was good-natured ribbing and ultimately we lived together in general harmony. My only beef (heh) was having to cook two separate meals. Sometimes I could consolidate it but usually I'd just make my own animal-kingdom-on-plate and keep it warm in a microwave while I fixed hers. Used separate pans or thoroughly scrubbed the residual animal delights from the grill.

She kept the proselytizing to a minimum, and I tried not to smear BBQ sauce on her. I think the only reason we got along at all is that I'm a fire-spitting libtard at heart, but lord help you if you stand between me and a stack of dead animals. She just saw that as a flaw she could live with, given the whole package (and me her hippie-dippy views on animal rights, which seemed to border on the PETA side).

Your comparison of PETA and WBC is spot-on, btw. Extremists only damage the cause. If she and I managed to live together in harmony for two years, anyone can. Just not when someone is shouting about the enemy all the time.
 
2012-06-26 05:53:35 AM
I'm a humanitarian.
 
2012-06-26 05:54:08 AM
The other day, I had a burger that had about a pound of meat.

That is apparently my limit.
 
2012-06-26 06:02:34 AM
I've cut back on my meat consumption over the past few years, but there's no way I could cut it completely from my diet. It's just too difficult, especially if I smell someone in the neighbourhood cooking on a BBQ. In an effort to help control my cravings I answered an ad from a man offering to play "hide the salami" - I figured he was offering strategies to help people cut back on meat.

I was wrong.
 
2012-06-26 06:03:46 AM
As if vegans believe in evolution.

/Won't somebody think of the lentils?
 
2012-06-26 06:04:01 AM

miss diminutive: I've cut back on my meat consumption over the past few years, but there's no way I could cut it completely from my diet. It's just too difficult, especially if I smell someone in the neighbourhood cooking on a BBQ. In an effort to help control my cravings I answered an ad from a man offering to play "hide the salami" - I figured he was offering strategies to help people cut back on meat.

I was wrong.


LOL!

I mean, that was probably traumatic.
 
2012-06-26 06:09:32 AM
A vegetarian is as tasty as a grass fed cow.
 
2012-06-26 06:11:47 AM
The Paleo diet relies heavily on meat, but it's not exclusively meat. There's a lot of fruit, nuts, and greenery involved too from what I've read. And since it's a "domestication ruined things" sort of narrative with some of the literature, cows and bacon aren't as highly esteemed as say, venison and fish really.

All in all my main complaint is that it looks expensive to feed yourself on crap that doesn't come cheap at the grocery store, which I guess is one way to successfully diet?
 
2012-06-26 06:13:07 AM

ox45tallboy: We're totally missing a very important question here:

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 427x640]

But did Jesus eat dinosaurs?


Please please please tell me colouring page is a joke.
 
2012-06-26 06:13:13 AM
FTA: He may be eating more red meat than the experts recommend, but he believes his paleo lifestyle, which includes running barefoot in Central Park, helps keep him thin, active and healthy.

If by "healthy" he means "get horrifying new diseases unknown to medical science from discarded needles", then yes; it totally is.
 
2012-06-26 06:14:36 AM

miss diminutive: In an effort to help control my cravings I answered an ad from a man offering to play "hide the salami" - I figured he was offering strategies to help people cut back on meat.

I was wrong.


Wrose still it was a cabanos.
 
2012-06-26 06:15:20 AM
please tell me *this* colouring page is a joke.

/too early, not enough caffeine.
 
2012-06-26 06:16:12 AM
TFA: As for the rest of us who want to know how much red meat is too much, the best evidence suggests that cutting back to two to three servings a week is a good guide

Right. Each week consisting of one day...
 
2012-06-26 06:17:38 AM
howtobeawesomebyianoliver.files.wordpress.com

/Choose your own diet but for fark sakes shut up about it, no one cares.
 
2012-06-26 06:19:37 AM

MisterMook: The Paleo diet relies heavily on meat, but it's not exclusively meat. There's a lot of fruit, nuts, and greenery involved too from what I've read. And since it's a "domestication ruined things" sort of narrative with some of the literature, cows and bacon aren't as highly esteemed as say, venison and fish really.

All in all my main complaint is that it looks expensive to feed yourself on crap that doesn't come cheap at the grocery store, which I guess is one way to successfully diet?


We use some Paleo recipes and it is primarily unprocessed foods and few grains. It may be a bit more expensive and it requires you to prepare most of your own food but many people are successful with it.
 
2012-06-26 06:20:45 AM
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

\yes, I know....old reference means I'm old.
 
2012-06-26 06:25:55 AM

PhiloeBedoe: For your Mom? About six inches at a time.


You kill me.
/from a distance
//too far to come over and sit on your deck
 
2012-06-26 06:31:46 AM
DNRTFA, but did they answer my stock question concerning self-proclaimed 'healthy' or 'natural' diets?

"What's the average lifespan of a human on the paleo diet"?
 
2012-06-26 06:32:52 AM
"Being vegetarian is just another way of being kind to animals." - Kinky Friedman
 
2012-06-26 06:33:29 AM
As much as you want. That is the correct answer.
 
2012-06-26 06:42:05 AM
Too much meat is kind of like a large Scotch. It may exist. Haven't found it yet.
 
2012-06-26 06:45:00 AM
Cocaine is still cool though, right?
 
2012-06-26 06:46:07 AM

Dr_Gene: DNRTFA, but did they answer my stock question concerning self-proclaimed 'healthy' or 'natural' diets?

"What's the average lifespan of a human on the paleo diet"?


"there are no studies of people who've been following the paleo diet"

So. To date, there's no evidence that people following this diet ever die. EVER. Immortality, my friend, you can't get healthier than that. NOW how much would you pay?

/my stock question is "Chicken, beef, or fish?"
 
2012-06-26 06:48:17 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Dr_Gene: DNRTFA, but did they answer my stock question concerning self-proclaimed 'healthy' or 'natural' diets?

"What's the average lifespan of a human on the paleo diet"?

"there are no studies of people who've been following the paleo diet"

So. To date, there's no evidence that people following this diet ever die. EVER. Immortality, my friend, you can't get healthier than that. NOW how much would you pay?

/my stock question is "Chicken, beef, or fish?"


Lamb.
 
2012-06-26 06:48:20 AM
Who needs the Paleo diet? I follow the Meso diet. I only eat dinosaurs.
 
2012-06-26 06:50:02 AM

Sass-O-Rev: please tell me *this* colouring page is a joke.

/too early, not enough caffeine.


I do believe these are real -
tinyfrog.files.wordpress.com
creativemadnessmama.com
www.homeschoolingfromtheheart.com
The last on seems to marketed towards the HomeSkuel types.
 
2012-06-26 06:51:58 AM

TenJed_77: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Dr_Gene: DNRTFA, but did they answer my stock question concerning self-proclaimed 'healthy' or 'natural' diets?

"What's the average lifespan of a human on the paleo diet"?

"there are no studies of people who've been following the paleo diet"

So. To date, there's no evidence that people following this diet ever die. EVER. Immortality, my friend, you can't get healthier than that. NOW how much would you pay?

/my stock question is "Chicken, beef, or fish?"

Lamb.


What do you use lamb stock for?
 
2012-06-26 06:53:13 AM
It's fine for dude in article to like his meat and be on the cancer of the colon diet, but come on, stop it with the hippy Jesus look already. Comb your hair, wear shoes and put on some decent clothes, poser.
 
2012-06-26 07:00:56 AM

BumpInTheNight: /Choose your own diet but for fark sakes shut up about it, no one cares.


maybe you should... consider how low health care costs would be if people stopped eating cows and pigs.
 
2012-06-26 07:01:45 AM
Vegetarians are less annoying that they used to be. I think the reason they've gotten better is because more restaurants offer a number of vegetarian meals now. 20 years ago, if you wanted to go to diner with a vegetarian, you'd have to scour the yellow pages to find a restaurant you could agree on. The result was the evening was centered on the one vegetarian in the group.

There are a lot of restaurants now that dedicate a decent portion of their menu to vegetarian offerings. Unfortunately, they are not always vegan. The vegans are annoying in the same way vegetarians were annoying 20 years ago.
 
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