redmid17: MightyPez: redmid17: I'll go ahead and save you the time and effort looking for the answer. Your Mac is probably not subjected to and GPOs since OS X doesn't have a native handle for that in AD. It has a similar mechanism but that has to be managed per host and not in a central location. So once again, you're comparing apples to oranges unless your admins have way too much time on their hands.

I have no idea how ScreamingHangover's workplace operates, but there are plenty of third party solutions to apply GPO's to OS X from a centralized location.

Yeah but most companies I've seen don't want to bother paying for it, especially if Macs aren't the standard hardware. YMMV

That's a rather large assumption on your part with regards to a business you don't know anything about.

redmid17: redmid17: ScreamingHangover: redmid17: You windows 7 box at work is a poor comparison at best. I'm doubting your home machine has been added to a domain and is subject to several GPOs and mandatory scripts.

Nice try, but I harassed my boss into buying me a Mac and I haven't had a problem since.

So is your Mac subject to several GPOs and mandatory logon scripts?

I'll go ahead and save you the time and effort looking for the answer. Your Mac is probably not subjected to and GPOs since OS X doesn't have a native handle for that in AD. It has a similar mechanism but that has to be managed per host and not in a central location. So once again, you're comparing apples to oranges unless your admins have way too much time on their hands.

Of course they have time on their hands: they have one less PC to deal with!

FYI: I'm a programmer: have dealt with DOS since dos 3.0, Win3.1 through 7, Solaris, HPUX, and about 7-10 variations of Linux since 1995. I switched to Mac due to my wife: she teaches 1st grade. Her old school was a Mac shop back in the 90's and when we got married, she moved out here and got frustrated with PCs and insisted on buying a Mac (against my recommendations). What sold me was that in moving to Mac, she went from bugging me on a monthly basis with some various problem or another, to not bugging me for 2 years straight.

redmid17: I'm an IT consultant who sees a lot of businesses, between SMB and Fortune 500. It is a large assumption, but it's an educated one based on my experiences. Once again, YMMV.

And? It was still a large assumption about something you didn't have any knowledge of. Your anecdotes don't have any bearing on that business.

redmid17: 60% of the time I'm right every time. Are you just going to keep repeating the assumption line I've already agreed with? I didn't say I was 100% right, just that it was likely the case. If your cars squeals a lot when you're turning, I'd advise you to check the power steering fluid level and see if it's below normal. I'm not a mechanic, but that's generally the cause of that annoying squealing noise in my family's cars and it's a simple diagnosis. However, that's also something that may vary from family to family and car to car, so once again YMMV. Let me know if you're unclear on the concept.

You seemed pretty adamant about it before. You also assumed it was GPO's causing the Windows 7 machines the freak out. Besides the fact Win7 is considerably better about handling GPO application than XP every was.

Your argument was, "Your Windows 7 machine was domain controlled and slowed down due to GPO (no actual confirmation of that) and the Mac machine(s) do not have GPO's applied (also not confirmed) therefore you are wrong about your Mac being better performing."

They make a mat for those kinds of jumps, you know.

redmid17: Once again, YMMV.

You know, I couldn't figure out that acronym. So I googled it.

You make me vomit? Really?

/Not to interject.
//Wait, no....I intend to interject.
///Carry on.

redmid17: RogueVortex: You know, I couldn't figure out that acronym. So I googled it.

your mileage may vary on YMMV

No, i got that one too. The other just seemed funnier in context of the debate.

/From the outside perspective

RogueVortex: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I think it's just adorable when people biatch about what OS others use.


/just use what you want.

You say that, but no one ever listens. Because when you think about it, they just want to be elitist about whatever system they happen to choose.

I'm kinda forced to use all three at any given time. Mac for writing documents (compatibility with my boss), UNIX shell for programs that don't have an OSX front end (Yay science), windows for the programs that I can't run on a mac or linux.

So I guess I get a kick out of the rabid defense of each system.

I was told that Macs just work, so there isn't any software that doesn't work on them, obviously.


//saaaaaarcasm. Macs are overpriced POS

Rent is too damn high: You know what, normally I go on the PC side of this debate, and yet, the retina display has made me rethink things. Look, why is it we've been getting LESS pixels over the years on the PC side? in 2004, the Thinkpad R50p had a QXGA option (2048*1536). Since then, no PC OEM has bothered with that resolution, instead adopting widescreens. The best you got after that was 1920*1200, much lower resolution. And then that wasn't enough, they had to take away MORE pixels with 1920*1080 screens! And most PCs didn't even get that resolution, you'd be lucky to find laptops with that kind of resolution.

Now Apple has the highest resolution laptop screen in the world, and everyone's biatching how much Apple costs. Well, asshole PC OEMs have actually been using lower quality displays over the years, so Apple's approach is just plain refreshing in the face of this race to the bottom that PC OEMs have been doing.

Because content largely isn't produced higher than 1080p commercially, so all that "increased resolution" is doing jack shiat.

On phones and tablets with metered data usage, that just means you use more data to see the same crap.

Resolution ramp up is going to be the next "one paragraph news story turned into a 15 minute video" catastrophe.

schattenteufel: *...or...*

"Mac users have better taste & more money, and thus would rather stay at the 'W' than the 'Super 8'"

Higher LISTINGS not pricier HOTELS. They pay $130 a night at a hotel were a Windows user pays $100 a night. Eventually the subsidy paid by Mac users will allow the price for Windows users to go down more.

If 25% of my customers pay $130, then I can charge the other 75% $90 and make the same amount of money.

Marine1: AverageAmericanGuy: Say what you want. Apple Foxconn makes higher quality stuff than any other consumer-level OEM out there.

And hell, if I want their stuff, I can get it from anyone.

It's commodity hardware.

Foxconn assembles it, not makes it.

The Retina display was invented and produced by Samsung. They don't put it in their devices because they know it isn't actually worth anything.

MightyPez: Remember, this is at a time when they were at over 90% market share, meaning even huge manufacturers like HP had a near 100% reliance on this single vendor.

Apple has over 90% share in the tablet market. They should be broken up into a company for iTunes and a company for iPads.

Moopy Mac: I only get the first couple paragraphs of the WSJ article, but does it actually say anything that supports ZDNet's last question:

"If Mac users will pay $120 for a room that a Windows customer would get for $100 what would a Linux user pay?"

I gather that the WSJ article doesn't support this position. If that is a case, Larry Dignan is pretty much an outright idiot.

The WSJ probably doesn't know the difference between a Mac and Windows computer and probably doesn't know what Linux is.

lilbjorn: GreenAdder: Yeah. About that whole "virus-free" thing...

Ohhhhhhhh Nooooooooooooooosss!!! Macs had a virus once.

Macs (even with iPhones and iPads) still do not have enough market share for it to be worth it to write viruses for them.

Mac comes in last every year at every hacking convention. Once there are enough macs around to actually warrant the attention of hackers, it will be very bloody.

Bullseyed: Apple has over 90% share in the tablet market. They should be broken up into a company for iTunes and a company for iPads.

Please don't make numbers up to try to sell a point. iOS tablets are currently at 66% with continued and incoming competition from Microsoft, Google, and Amazon. Apple had a high initial share in the 90% range because there were no other competing products made. You're trying to apply monopoly status to a segment of the consumer market that only just took off in the last 3 or so years with several different players entering into the foray.

Comparing that to Microsoft in the 90's is a tad silly. Their problems were caused by a decade of (according to the EU and DoJ) malfeasance in the market.

8-10 years ago Microsoft had near 100% of the market for tablets. That doesn't mean they should have been broken up for that. It's a new market and they take time to mature. If, in the coming years, it's shown Apple is muscling out other players through anti-competitive practices we'll talk.

RogueVortex: I'm kinda forced to use all three at any given time. Mac for writing documents (compatibility with my boss), UNIX shell for programs that don't have an OSX front end (Yay science), windows for the programs that I can't run on a mac or linux.

Why not use OS X for the UNIX shell? I've yet to find a terminal on Linux that matches Terminal.app. Little things like making the resize handle show up within a few pixels of tolerance make a difference. The number of seconds I've wasted in Ubuntu hunting for the the exact corner of the window so I could get my resize handle... :/

MightyPez: redmid17: I'm an IT consultant who sees a lot of businesses, between SMB and Fortune 500. It is a large assumption, but it's an educated one based on my experiences. Once again, YMMV.

And? It was still a large assumption about something you didn't have any knowledge of. Your anecdotes don't have any bearing on that business.

lol, the "one business" you are referring to is the anecdote.

The average trend he is referring to is the average.

RogueVortex: redmid17: Once again, YMMV.

You know, I couldn't figure out that acronym. So I googled it.

You make me vomit? Really?

/Not to interject.
//Wait, no....I intend to interject.
///Carry on.

Your Mileage May Vary is the Google result for it. Are you using some crazy Apple search engine?

Why not overcharge them? They pay for Free BSD lol. Fools and their money...

I took the apple sticker that came with my iPhone and stuck it on front of my Dell desktop over the Dell logo. I think that might make orbitz blow up.

Bschott007: ryarger: RogueVortex: I'm kinda forced to use all three at any given time. Mac for writing documents (compatibility with my boss), UNIX shell for programs that don't have an OSX front end (Yay science), windows for the programs that I can't run on a mac or linux.

Why not use OS X for the UNIX shell? I've yet to find a terminal on Linux that matches Terminal.app. Little things like making the resize handle show up within a few pixels of tolerance make a difference. The number of seconds I've wasted in Ubuntu hunting for the the exact corner of the window so I could get my resize handle... :/

You do know that you can modify the tolerance via the Preferences in Ubuntu, right? It's a newbie issue that's easily corrected :)

/not snarking

I was very excited to hear this. I'm just installed Ubuntu in VirtualBox on my Mac last week so that I can use it to connect to a VPN without restricting the rest of my machine. It's the first Linux I've run outside of hobby work since Slackware came on floppies and I've been extremely impressed so far.

However, taking your advice I scoured the preferences panel and came up with nothing. I see a post from last year (I'm on 12.04LTS) that seemed to indicate that this is only possibly by installing another theme or editing the config file manually: here.

Thanks for getting my hopes up! :P

/Very happy to see 12.04LTS has shamelessly stolen so many good ideas from OS X

Bschott007: Why not use OS X for the UNIX shell? I've yet to find a terminal on Linux that matches Terminal.app.

Guake or die.

// press F12, terminal slides down from the top of the screen
// press F12 again and the terminal goes away (but it's still there, running in the background).


// screenshot when I was showing some farker the tabbing feature

Wow, hotornot and myspace, that is an old ass screenshot :D

AverageAmericanGuy: The gold plating keeps noise from creeping into the waveform. But I also use Wattgate 381 outlets to prevent line noise (async phase noise) from getting to the A/V unit in the first place. But yeah, if you care about quality, there are steps you take.



You should read article on how a bunch of audiophiles couldn't tell the difference between Monster Cables and a bunch of coat hangers welded together.

Rent is too damn high: You know what, normally I go on the PC side of this debate, and yet, the retina display has made me rethink things. Look, why is it we've been getting LESS pixels over the years on the PC side? in 2004, the Thinkpad R50p had a QXGA option (2048*1536). Since then, no PC OEM has bothered with that resolution, instead adopting widescreens. The best you got after that was 1920*1200, much lower resolution. And then that wasn't enough, they had to take away MORE pixels with 1920*1080 screens! And most PCs didn't even get that resolution, you'd be lucky to find laptops with that kind of resolution.

Now Apple has the highest resolution laptop screen in the world, and everyone's biatching how much Apple costs. Well, asshole PC OEMs have actually been using lower quality displays over the years, so Apple's approach is just plain refreshing in the face of this race to the bottom that PC OEMs have been doing.

I like the cut of your jib. The week I got moved from a Thinkpad W500 (1920x1200) to W250 (1920x1080) at work, was the same week this MacBook retina screen comes out, and I think wow that would be nice for someone in my line of work.

This sounds legit. I can tell by the browser id strings.

Bullseyed: schattenteufel: *...or...*

"Mac users have better taste & more money, and thus would rather stay at the 'W' than the 'Super 8'"

Higher LISTINGS not pricier HOTELS. They pay $130 a night at a hotel were a Windows user pays $100 a night. Eventually the subsidy paid by Mac users will allow the price for Windows users to go down more.

If 25% of my customers pay $130, then I can charge the other 75% $90 and make the same amount of money.

Wrongo socko. Read again.