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(Yahoo)   Turns out that Mexico has been unloading more than just their working poor on the U.S   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 137
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2012-06-25 07:35:17 PM  
FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?
 
2012-06-25 07:48:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?


That's correct. Did you not hear about the invasion of the killer tomato Mexicans? They were forcing tomatoes down everyone's throats.

I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about this.
 
2012-06-25 07:49:07 PM  
Funny that they are ok with driving down the wages of workers, but don't you dare let competition drive down the prices of products.

Capitalism ends in monopoly.
 
2012-06-25 08:04:48 PM  
At least they work. Our poor won't work if you put a shovel in their hands for 10 bucks an hour with benefits. Something about three day weekends that Americans love at least every other weekend.
 
2012-06-25 08:11:15 PM  
There's a lot at beefsteak.
 
2012-06-25 08:11:57 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Funny that they are ok with driving down the wages of workers, but don't you dare let competition drive down the prices of products.

Capitalism ends in monopoly.


I went for a long pointless drive a couple weeks ago and came across this. It is a farking massive facility, I wonder how they staff it.. guest workers? It has got to be humid and hot as f*ck in there.
 
2012-06-25 08:25:44 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?


Unfortunately, the cost to produce is higher in the US than in Mexico. Maybe it's just not economical for us to grow tomatoes anymore.

If we are to believe that Mexicans are picking tomatoes on both sides of the border, we may as well let them pick them in Mexico.
 
2012-06-25 08:29:29 PM  

violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: Funny that they are ok with driving down the wages of workers, but don't you dare let competition drive down the prices of products.

Capitalism ends in monopoly.

I went for a long pointless drive a couple weeks ago and came across this. It is a farking massive facility, I wonder how they staff it.. guest workers? It has got to be humid and hot as f*ck in there.


Ooh. Cool find.
 
2012-06-25 08:54:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?

That's correct. Did you not hear about the invasion of the killer tomato Mexicans? They were forcing tomatoes down everyone's throats.

I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about this.


Didn't they stop them by playing the song "Amor de Pubertad" really loud?
 
2012-06-25 08:57:13 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Marcus Aurelius: BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?

That's correct. Did you not hear about the invasion of the killer tomato Mexicans? They were forcing tomatoes down everyone's throats.

I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about this.

Didn't they stop them by playing the song "Amor de Pubertad" really loud?


*snert*

/ay yi yi
 
2012-06-25 09:49:24 PM  
Hang on. The US Tomato growers negotiated an agreement with Mexican growers to fix Mexican tomato prices at a certain level - and then negotiated TWO MORE TIMES ON TWO MORE AGREEMENTS WITH SIMILAR TERMS, and now they want to tear it up because the agreement that they negotiated at arm's length doesn't benefit themselves anymore?

Go eat a bowl of dicks. Or find a better attorney to handle negotiations.
 
2012-06-25 09:55:45 PM  
Some times free trade agreements suck for one side or the other...
FLA figure out how to grow them cheaper or don't bother... Welcome to NAFTA.
 
2012-06-25 10:11:22 PM  
Stockbrokers, biogeneticists and telecom engineers?
 
2012-06-25 10:13:55 PM  
I only buy my tomatoes at local farmer's markets. Mexicans are the scum of the earth.
 
2012-06-25 10:14:25 PM  
At least Alabama is safe.
 
2012-06-25 10:15:27 PM  
Price of tomatoes is already too farking high. American growers can go fark themselves and grow something else.
 
2012-06-25 10:16:30 PM  

sno man: Some times free trade agreements suck for one side or the other...
FLA figure out how to grow them cheaper or don't bother... Welcome to NAFTA.


Given their track record, free trade agreements have largely gutted the more developed nation. No matter how many times one tries to invoke the handwaves of competition or consumer, the result has been the same.
 
2012-06-25 10:16:33 PM  
Who cares? Unless you buy from a local market, or grow your own, tomatoes are practically tasteless.
 
2012-06-25 10:17:43 PM  

orclover: Price of tomatoes is already too farking high. American growers can go fark themselves and grow something else.


s.wsj.net
 
2012-06-25 10:18:05 PM  
Someone sucks at math.
 
2012-06-25 10:18:56 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Capitalism ends in monopoly Communism.


FTFY
 
2012-06-25 10:19:22 PM  

phrawgh: At least Alabama is safe.


Now if Alabama gets rid of their Right to Work law(or modifies it to include all forms of indirect & temporary labor), they would be a very good state.
 
2012-06-25 10:20:08 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I only buy my tomatoes at local farmer's markets. Mexicans are the scum of the earth.


You do know those market tomatoes were picked and probably cared for wherever in North America you live, by Mexicans, right?
 
2012-06-25 10:20:31 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: FTA: "Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value."

Er, wouldn't 100% below fair market value be ZERO money?


More like they were paying US to take them. Either way, I stopped reading TFA at that point.
 
2012-06-25 10:21:24 PM  
Sanitation? I told you to tell 'em that you was in a sanitarium, not sanitation, sanitarium.
 
2012-06-25 10:22:23 PM  

sno man: AverageAmericanGuy: I only buy my tomatoes at local farmer's markets. Mexicans are the scum of the earth.

You do know those market tomatoes were picked and probably cared for wherever in North America you live, by Mexicans, right?


I mean the other kind of Mexicans.
 
2012-06-25 10:22:24 PM  

WTFDYW: At least they work. Our poor won't work if you put a shovel in their hands for 10 bucks an hour with benefits. Something about three day weekends that Americans love at least every other weekend.


The market works both ways, not just downward. Compete with the benefits package and treat them with respect by hiring them directly - and you will get your workers.
 
2012-06-25 10:22:44 PM  
Yeah, they're also unloading their shiftless, non-working poor as well. Yay WIC and free ER trips!
 
2012-06-25 10:23:13 PM  
REGULATIONS PLACED ON BUSINESSES ARE SOCIALISM.

Unless they are regulating business from another companies, then it's cool.

I support massive tariffs on all things produced or manufactured internationally.
 
2012-06-25 10:23:24 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Funny that they are ok with driving down the wages of workers, but don't you dare let competition drive down the prices of products.

Capitalism ends in monopoly.


Crony

capitalism, with politicians protecting established businesses, ends in monopoly or oligopoly. Capitalism itself just ends with a neverending cycle of old firms being destroyed by newer firms.

Sadly, we have the crony form currently.
 
2012-06-25 10:23:49 PM  
Is it just me or was there absolutely no relevant information in that article?
 
2012-06-25 10:26:45 PM  

sethstorm: sno man: Some times free trade agreements suck for one side or the other...
FLA figure out how to grow them cheaper or don't bother... Welcome to NAFTA.

Given their track record, free trade agreements have largely gutted the more developed nation. No matter how many times one tries to invoke the handwaves of competition or consumer, the result has been the same.


Shhhhh. Compassion, man! Don't muddy the waters with the truth.

/free trade blows goats
 
2012-06-25 10:27:39 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com

Store bought tomatoes? At this time of year?


/I don't think so.....
 
2012-06-25 10:27:42 PM  

Gonad the Ballbarian: Is it just me or was there absolutely no relevant information in that article?


In summation:
HURR! TOMATERS!!
HURRRR! TO_MAH_TOES!!!!
HURRRR!! PO_TAY_TOES!!
HURRRR! PO_TAT_TOES!!!!

all I heard , frankly is the price of salsa and pizza sauce and marinara dropping like a bull full of piccadore's spears.
on acid.
 
2012-06-25 10:29:09 PM  
Seriously? Unless you are a restaurant or chain, you can grow all the tomatoes you need, with some left over, in about 1 sq yard of your yard. Put in the 15min a week it takes to tend them.

/ city folk, get one or two of those upside down tomato growing thingies and do it on you damn balcony.
 
2012-06-25 10:29:46 PM  

sethstorm: sno man: Some times free trade agreements suck for one side or the other...
FLA figure out how to grow them cheaper or don't bother... Welcome to NAFTA.

Given their track record, free trade agreements have largely gutted the more developed nation. No matter how many times one tries to invoke the handwaves of competition or consumer, the result has been the same.


Actually they tend to favour Multi-nationals. Nations be damned.
Funny that NAFTA was sold to the masses as the key to getting everything cheaper. And when stuff starts showing up, you know, that actually is... People have a problem with that.
When do people start having a problem with WallyWorld for doing the same thing?
 
2012-06-25 10:30:34 PM  
no mention of the flood of how the flood of cheap NAFTA corn ran lots of small Mexican farmers out of business and off their land? No one? Anyone? Bueller?
 
2012-06-25 10:30:51 PM  
U.S. tomato farmers say want to dump Mexico deal

Say want to dump?
 
2012-06-25 10:31:38 PM  
Why is it that a group of people can call up the Commerce Department, ask them to increase the prices for and reduce the choices of American consumers and not just hear, "Go fark yourself! [Click]"

"It's time to end the charade and restore fair prices that reflect market reality", he a person unfamiliar with the terms 'charade', 'fair prices' and 'market reality' said.

Gonad the Ballbarian: Is it just me or was there absolutely no relevant information in that article?


Just you, I guess.
 
2012-06-25 10:31:57 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: sno man: AverageAmericanGuy: I only buy my tomatoes at local farmer's markets. Mexicans are the scum of the earth.

You do know those market tomatoes were picked and probably cared for wherever in North America you live, by Mexicans, right?

I mean the other kind of Mexicans.


That don't pick your tomatoes? or the ones that haven't figured out or don't care to be in America?
 
2012-06-25 10:35:17 PM  

Omahawg: no mention of the flood of how the flood of cheap NAFTA corn ran lots of small Mexican farmers out of business and off their land? No one? Anyone? Bueller?


That don't confront me, their government should have looked out for them.
 
2012-06-25 10:38:45 PM  
So how about instead of trying to compete on price with Mexico we compete on quality instead? I don't mean just sticking an 'organic' label on it and charging three times the amount, but find a way to grow tomatoes that arrive fully ripe at the grocery store just like ones that come out of a backyard garden and have some taste to them, and find a way to do that 365 days a year.

I'd pay double the price for tomatoes, especially in the winter, if I could get some at Publix that didn't taste like water and sawdust.
 
2012-06-25 10:38:48 PM  
FTFA: Brown said the Commerce Department found that Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-25 10:39:25 PM  
So to put this into prospective:

A place is selling its goods at competitive prices. So competitive, in fact, that the competition cannot keep up. So the government is again trying to regulate this new competitor into the ground. Why? Because it is not monetarily convenient for them. Does rich Wally Wal*Mart need a little help? He gets it. But if a poor farmer is trying to make it (under tougher market conditions, too; where are HIS subsidies?) the US must protect its profitable assets.

Capitalism.
 
2012-06-25 10:41:17 PM  
The American tomato growers don't want to say "We want to charge 188.5% of what Mexico grows them for", so they turned it into that mathematically impossible claim to hide wanting to charge $4/lb for them.
 
2012-06-25 10:42:00 PM  

LesserEvil: FTFA: Brown said the Commerce Department found that Mexican producers were dumping their tomatoes in the United States at nearly 188.5 percent below fair market value.

[i.imgur.com image 400x400]


they PAY you to take their tomatoes away. obviously. that's why the farmers are so pissed off. Amuricans cant afford to give away money in this economy! not without Mexican workers!
 
2012-06-25 10:43:11 PM  
those u.s. tomato farms are hell on earth.
here's a novel idea.
let the countries with the cheap ass labor provide the things that require cheap low skill labor to produce instead of allowing American farmers to recreate the middle ages here in the u.s. for a cheap buck of profit.
 
2012-06-25 10:44:33 PM  
None this explains why in the middle of winter the tomatoes at the supermarket are all from Canada. Do they have part of the tundra set aside just for greenhouses?
 
2012-06-25 10:45:51 PM  
Homegrown tomatoes homegrown tomatoes
What'd life be without homegrown tomatoes
Only two things that money can't buy
That's true love & homegrown tomatoes
 
2012-06-25 10:47:03 PM  

EngineerAU: None this explains why in the middle of winter the tomatoes at the supermarket are all from Canada. Do they have part of the tundra set aside just for greenhouses?


Yep.

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