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(AlterNet)   Doctor has medical license revoked for refusing to force a 10-year-old girl to give birth. This happened in A) Saudi Arabia B) Sudan C) Kansas   (alternet.org) divider line 670
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2012-06-25 07:51:49 PM  
"To even claim that isn't medically necessary qualifies as gross incompetence," said Neuhaus. "Someone's 10 years old, and they were raped by their uncle and they understand that they've got a baby growing in their stomach and they don't want that. You're going to send this girl for a brain scan and some blood work and put her in a hospital?"

Live with that, anti-choicers.
 
2012-06-25 07:52:46 PM  
Live with it, hell, they're fu*king proud of it.
 
2012-06-25 07:55:44 PM  
This is what happens when you allow bronze-age throwbacks to write your laws.
 
2012-06-25 08:03:55 PM  
I wonder what the circumstances were that caused the 10 year old girl to seek a late term abortion instead of a regular one. Probably none of my business, but there had better be several adults in jail over that whole situation.
 
2012-06-25 08:04:43 PM  
My oldest daughter is 29 and settled and almost got damned debt free with a good husband and good jobs and she's FINALLY pregnant. I'm going to be a grandfather. Thanks, yes, it's awesome.

When my youngest daughter, aged 19, heard the news, the first words from her mouth (and I quote): "I can't believe (she) would allow herself to be infected like that."

Young girls forced into birth is about the sickest shiat I can possibly imagine. The second sickest is the girl's mother, who will end up being the actual mother.

It makes my hair stand on end just thinking about it.
 
2012-06-25 08:09:18 PM  
On cross-examination by Neuhaus' attorney, Robert Eye, questioned Dr. Gold about standard of care for mental health evaluations for late-term abortions. Gold replied that there is no such thing. She explained, "Late term abortion is not a treatment or intervention for any psychiatric condition." That statement was initially stricken from the record at Mr. Eye's request, but Dr. Gold continued to repeat her opinion on the record when asked.

When questioned about whether she had ever admitted a patient to the hospital for a late-term abortion Dr. Gold responded, "It would be inappropriate for a psychiatrist to admit a patient to a hospital for abortion services." That comment was also stricken from the record.

When asked if an unwanted pregnancy put a teen at risk for developing psychiatric disorders, Gold was emphatic.

"Teen pregnancy is not a risk factor for psychiatric disorders," she said.


*blink*
 
2012-06-25 08:17:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: On cross-examination by Neuhaus' attorney, Robert Eye, questioned Dr. Gold about standard of care for mental health evaluations for late-term abortions. Gold replied that there is no such thing. She explained, "Late term abortion is not a treatment or intervention for any psychiatric condition." That statement was initially stricken from the record at Mr. Eye's request, but Dr. Gold continued to repeat her opinion on the record when asked.

When questioned about whether she had ever admitted a patient to the hospital for a late-term abortion Dr. Gold responded, "It would be inappropriate for a psychiatrist to admit a patient to a hospital for abortion services." That comment was also stricken from the record.

When asked if an unwanted pregnancy put a teen at risk for developing psychiatric disorders, Gold was emphatic.

"Teen pregnancy is not a risk factor for psychiatric disorders," she said.

*blink*


I didn't RTFA on purpose. Good thing, because your post by itself has my left eyelid twitching uncontrollably.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-06-25 08:21:02 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "Teen pregnancy is not a risk factor for psychiatric disorders," she said.

*blink*


yeah... that is the type of statement someone should lose their license over. not be the witness against someone who is defending their license.
 
2012-06-25 08:24:23 PM  
I haven't been able to glean much from this blog, nor much more from the news articles I read, but it seems the administrative judge in her case was concerned that she was simply putting patient responses into a computer program and letting it make the diagnosis. As well, she was also accused of failing to recommend post-operative psychological care for patients who had threatened suicide.

I'm not saying that this is right (I don't know enough about this yet). But if it is true, I would go along with her losing her license. These things would seem to be a gross violation of patient care.

/truth will try to come out in court
//she'll likely fare better there
 
2012-06-25 08:26:10 PM  
A ten year-old pregnant with a rape/incest baby is A Gift From GOD!!

/sick f*cks
 
2012-06-25 08:31:27 PM  

Calmamity: Live with it, hell, they're fu*king proud of it.


Proud of it? Having legislatures willing to enforce their backwards and asinine authoritarian worldview confirms to them that their god, the creator of the universe, exists. Acts like this confirm their faith. That's pretty farking sick.
 
2012-06-25 08:34:46 PM  
If you see how young women dress these days, is there any surprise? Why should an innocent child have to suffer for the mother's mistakes?
 
2012-06-25 08:36:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: A ten year-old pregnant with a rape/incest baby is A Gift From GOD!!

/sick f*cks


I have a fundie brother that trotted out a terminal Down syndrome baby like it was God's gift to mankind for 30 days, after which it met its maker. They were praying for a resurrection three days later, but apparently the timing was off, or maybe it was the humidity.
 
2012-06-25 08:42:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: A ten year-old pregnant with a rape/incest baby is A Gift From GOD!!

/sick f*cks


Sick farks is too charitable by a thousandfold.

You know what's an even better gift from God? Having a daughter or wife bleed out on the table because of a late-term placental abruption that was virtually certain due to pre-existing complications. Of course, an abortion would prevent such an event, but it's just such a loving gift from our Creator to watch our women die, isn't it?

What's even better is when it happens in the bathroom! God really, REALLY loves the sisters, brothers, sons and daughters of those women, and he shows his love by letting them watch and hold their loved one's hand as her heart slowly pumps all of her blood out of her vagina and onto the slick tile floor.

Another wonderful gift from God, and not a sign of mental health problems in the LEAST, is when a teen girl opens her brachial artery rather than admit to her family that she's pregnant with her own father's child. That's one of those gifts that's right thar in the Bible, it is.

You awful, reprehensible, disgusting anti-woman, anti-choice farktards. THIS is what you support. Roll around in it. Get absolutely filthy in it. Then show an ounce of redeeming human value and have the courage to at least admit it. You would rather see women die than see a fertilized egg fail to implant in the uterine wall. Admit it, filth. Admit it and I'll have an atom of respect for you.
 
2012-06-25 08:44:49 PM  
Sometimes I think we'd be better off now if all the missiles had been launched back in the '60s
 
2012-06-25 08:49:16 PM  
They'll force a 10-year-old girl to have a child against her will, then fight to deny BOTH children access to affordable healthcare. It's the American Way.
 
2012-06-25 08:50:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sometimes I think we'd be better off now if all the missiles had been launched back in the '60s


Maybe, but then we would have never had Knight Rider. Do you really want to imagine a world without Knight Rider?
 
2012-06-25 08:50:27 PM  

serial_crusher: I wonder what the circumstances were that caused the 10 year old girl to seek a late term abortion instead of a regular one. Probably none of my business, but there had better be several adults in jail over that whole situation.


She was probably too busy focusing on her career and investment portfolio. That or she was 9.
 
2012-06-25 08:51:15 PM  
i1156.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-25 08:57:19 PM  
Have you ever bitten into a grape only to find a smaller grape inside?
 
2012-06-25 09:05:30 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Have you ever bitten into a grape only to find a smaller grape inside?


You said grape twice.
 
2012-06-25 09:11:21 PM  
He likes grapes.
 
2012-06-25 09:43:29 PM  
"Teen pregnancy is not a risk factor for psychiatric disorders," she said.

She's not a teen. She's ten.

Also, being raped by your uncle and impregnated at ten sure as hell is. And being forced to give birth? At ten?
 
2012-06-25 09:47:53 PM  
Nearly daily Fark has yet another example of what is wrong with America, many of those fall into the mostly meh category.. although lately the scary ones are more frequent
This, you collectively be very ashamed of.
And do something about.
 
2012-06-25 09:50:09 PM  
It is an s.o.s. sent out telepathically, signs of our distress don't
allow complacency, we need restoration now of our integrity and a
drastic bold reminder of our morality.

The rectifying troop is here, the ones we have needed all these years to stop the heinous wrongdoings
and verify our moral benevolence as a people.

Operation rescue, they're here to right our fall, they have heard a troubled call.
Operation rescue, you may wonder where they come from, but i just
wonder why they're here at all.

Life ever-after is what they're in the business for, see them brandish the key to their kingdoms door, it's
persuasive, it's a part of you and me but it's not overwhelming as they wish it to be,

If no one believed in fairy tales there would be nothing they could do but fail, yet everywhere we look someone is
trying to reassure our moral benevolence as a people.

Operation Rescue. You may wonder where they come from, but i just wonder what
Compels them all
 
2012-06-25 09:50:22 PM  

serial_crusher: I wonder what the circumstances were that caused the 10 year old girl to seek a late term abortion instead of a regular one. Probably none of my business, but there had better be several adults in jail over that whole situation.


Well, for starters, a ten year old isn't going to recognize pregnancy symptoms, and may not cycle regularly enough to realize periods are missing. If she's a bit on the chubby side she might not show until well into the second trimester. And while an adult woman has no excuse, a ten year old rape/incest victim is 100% excused for being in denial of the pregnancy and wearing baggy things, blaming junk food for the weight gain, ect.

The pregnancy probably wasn't known to the parents until quite late.
 
2012-06-25 09:53:00 PM  
That is obscene.
 
2012-06-25 09:53:46 PM  
Someone's 10 years old, and they were raped by their uncle

So did Kansas bother prosecuting this piece of shiat uncle or what?

If only there were people whose job it was to examine assertions and either corroborate or debunk them for the public record.
 
2012-06-25 09:54:04 PM  
What's the difference? All three are filled with nearly identical religious fundamentalists.
 
2012-06-25 09:59:55 PM  

Kazan: Nadie_AZ: "Teen pregnancy is not a risk factor for psychiatric disorders," she said.

*blink*

yeah... that is the type of statement someone should lose their license over. not be the witness against someone who is defending their license.


bullsh*t. I know a gal, 47 who had her first kid at 16. The oldest is in the pen and the younger 2 are living with her at a boarding house with both their babies. Between the 4 of them there is no education, stability or even a goddamn drivers license. But she feels free to gossip and act like she is still in high school. Yes, she's both racist and Republican.
 
2012-06-25 10:01:33 PM  
Reprehensible. I hope pro-lifers all get ass cancer, the miserable, sick farks.
 
2012-06-25 10:03:38 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Yes, she's both racist and Republican.


You didn't really need to add that last part. I think we all knew it from the rest of the sentence.
 
2012-06-25 10:08:05 PM  
I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.
 
2012-06-25 10:11:11 PM  

mrshowrules: If you see how young women dress these days, is there any surprise? Why should an innocent child have to suffer for the mother's mistakes?


Because that is the American Way. These pro-lifers only care about children when they're fetuses. Once their born, any support or welfare for a struggling child mother is tantamount to blasphemy. "Why should I have to pay for someone else's mistakes?" "Oh well, they brought it on themselves".

It's a catch-22. Before it's born it's all "Why should this innocent child suffer for their mother's mistakes?". After the child is born it is treated as a just punishment for a young woman's sins (funny how they don't feel the need to punish men for the same sins).

The Pro-life movement, as a whole, is not about saving children. If it were they wouldn't be trying to stick their hooks into contreception. The Pro-life movement, as a whole, is about punishing WOMEN for sex.

Period.

You don't have to look any further than the Sandra Fluke debacle. She had the AUDACITY to testify why birth control should be covered under insurance (by telling a story of friends who use the pill to treat debilitating "lady part" conditions like endometriosis.) Within 24 hours the world was treated to the cacaphone of slut-shaming for that poor woman.

That is the real face of the Pro-life movement.
 
2012-06-25 10:20:42 PM  

Ambivalence: mrshowrules: If you see how young women dress these days, is there any surprise? Why should an innocent child have to suffer for the mother's mistakes?

Because that is the American Way. These pro-lifers only care about children when they're fetuses. Once their born, any support or welfare for a struggling child mother is tantamount to blasphemy. "Why should I have to pay for someone else's mistakes?" "Oh well, they brought it on themselves".

It's a catch-22. Before it's born it's all "Why should this innocent child suffer for their mother's mistakes?". After the child is born it is treated as a just punishment for a young woman's sins (funny how they don't feel the need to punish men for the same sins).

The Pro-life movement, as a whole, is not about saving children. If it were they wouldn't be trying to stick their hooks into contreception. The Pro-life movement, as a whole, is about punishing WOMEN for sex.

Period.

You don't have to look any further than the Sandra Fluke debacle. She had the AUDACITY to testify why birth control should be covered under insurance (by telling a story of friends who use the pill to treat debilitating "lady part" conditions like endometriosis.) Within 24 hours the world was treated to the cacaphone of slut-shaming for that poor woman.

That is the real face of the Pro-life movement.


And the loudest voices I heard in opposition to that farking garbage were on a satirical news aggregation site.

/Well put, sir
 
2012-06-25 10:24:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: Someone's 10 years old, and they were raped by their uncle

So did Kansas bother prosecuting this piece of shiat uncle or what?

If only there were people whose job it was to examine assertions and either corroborate or debunk them for the public record.


Hopefully, but in the context of TFA, that doesn't really matter.

10-year-olds shouldn't be giving birth under any circumstances. Ever. No person of that age is equipped to deal with the trauma of pregnancy, let alone childbirth.
 
2012-06-25 10:27:14 PM  
law2.umkc.edu
DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!
 
2012-06-25 10:33:39 PM  

namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.


Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.
 
2012-06-25 10:38:43 PM  

AbbeySomeone: namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.

Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.


and how is that going to work? Magic?

or are we talking health care reform?
 
2012-06-25 10:42:53 PM  

Methadone Girls: AbbeySomeone: namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.

Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.

and how is that going to work? Magic?

or are we talking health care reform?


Personal responsibility and some dignity. Don't get knocked up by a worthless guy and expect a free ticket out of your Mother's house. You had the baby, you take care of it. Think ahead. These people rarely have kids that have positive contributions to society.
There are situations when people that need help to get back on their feet but there are too many people that feel entitled and use the careless dropping out of kids to justify their means.
 
2012-06-25 10:43:56 PM  
www.rogerwendell.com

fark Kansas. And most of middle America too. What the hell is wrong with you people.

flyoverthis.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-25 10:44:13 PM  

Methadone Girls: AbbeySomeone: namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.

Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.

and how is that going to work? Magic?

or are we talking health care reform?


I'll take the latter. Extra-large it as single-payer, please.
 
2012-06-25 10:45:53 PM  

snowjack: [www.rogerwendell.com image 640x426]

fark Kansas. And most of middle America too. What the hell is wrong with you people.

[flyoverthis.files.wordpress.com image 350x360]


fark you. Jesusland cannot, and will not have Colorado. Well, maybe Colorado Springs, but THAT IS IT.
 
2012-06-25 10:47:06 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Methadone Girls: AbbeySomeone: namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.

Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.

and how is that going to work? Magic?

or are we talking health care reform?

Personal responsibility and some dignity. Don't get knocked up by a worthless guy and expect a free ticket out of your Mother's house. You had the baby, you take care of it. Think ahead. These people rarely have kids that have positive contributions to society.
There are situations when people that need help to get back on their feet but there are too many people that feel entitled and use the careless dropping out of kids to justify their means.


I'm pretty sure that you're rolling, but just to clarify, are you for or against abortion?
 
2012-06-25 10:51:41 PM  

SphericalTime: AbbeySomeone: Methadone Girls: AbbeySomeone: namegoeshere: I used to be in social work, and I worked with pregnant and parenting teens. Unless there was one hell of a supportive extended family involved, these girls tended to stop growing emotionally about the age the first babby was born. So hell yes it's a risk factor. An adult functioning at the level of a young teen is not a healthy adult.

Social work frequently enables people that are f*cked up and want to continue that lifestyle.
Birth control should be free and accessible to everyone and mandatory for people that can't take care of themselves and afford the choices they have made.
I'm goddamn tired of paying for it.

and how is that going to work? Magic?

or are we talking health care reform?

Personal responsibility and some dignity. Don't get knocked up by a worthless guy and expect a free ticket out of your Mother's house. You had the baby, you take care of it. Think ahead. These people rarely have kids that have positive contributions to society.
There are situations when people that need help to get back on their feet but there are too many people that feel entitled and use the careless dropping out of kids to justify their means.

I'm pretty sure that you're rolling, but just to clarify, are you for or against abortion?


Personally I like the "these people" part of her rant. These people? Really?
 
2012-06-25 10:52:01 PM  

dr_blasto: snowjack: [www.rogerwendell.com image 640x426]

fark Kansas. And most of middle America too. What the hell is wrong with you people.

[flyoverthis.files.wordpress.com image 350x360]

fark you. Jesusland cannot, and will not have Colorado. Well, maybe Colorado Springs, but THAT IS IT.


Good for you, way to keep the spirit, even while surrounded by rednecks.
/sorry, I've had my fill of ignorant BS today and this article put me over the top
 
2012-06-25 11:08:30 PM  

snowjack: [www.rogerwendell.com image 640x426]

fark Kansas. And most of middle America too. What the hell is wrong with you people.

[flyoverthis.files.wordpress.com image 350x360]


UMMMMM, keep your united states of what-the-hell-ever south of the 49th parallel there cowboy.
 
2012-06-25 11:30:28 PM  

dr_blasto: 10-year-olds shouldn't be giving birth under any circumstances. Ever. No person of that age is equipped to deal with the trauma of pregnancy, let alone childbirth.


Let alone sex in the first place.

And, I know this is a separate issue, and probably very much overshadowed (and rightly so) by all the other things wrong with this story, but how the fark is a 10-year-old already past menarche? This isn't right, either.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the child probably doesn't have the best home life, considering she's been raped by her uncle, but what the hell are they feeding her that causes her to begin menstruating that early?
 
2012-06-25 11:31:00 PM  
"The board alleged that Neuhaus's exams were not thorough enough based on the available records provided, and that her follow up care was inadequate, as she did not recommend counseling or hospitalization afterwards."

/because a 10 year old getting an abortion would never need counseling

//because if the abortion were botched, she would never need to go to the hospital either
 
2012-06-25 11:31:36 PM  
I'd add Kansans to the list of places never to visit, but it's been near the top of that list for some time.
 
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