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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   The military steps in with C-130s to take on the Waldo Canyon fire just outside Colorado Springs. Go get 'em boys   (gazette.com ) divider line
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2012-06-25 06:41:54 PM  
3 votes:
Why does God hate Colorado Springs?

www.huffingtonpost.com

www.drjamesdobson.org
2012-06-25 08:23:40 PM  
2 votes:
can we put all the politics aside here and thank the firefighters. full gear in 90-100F temps on extremely rugged terrain. Imagine how rough of a job that is. With trees exploding into flames. and a possible arsonist or arsonists on the loose.

Thank you firefighters. (and the Red Cross volunteers and the shelters taking in animals and everybody else helping out.)
2012-06-25 08:15:09 PM  
2 votes:
So, with all the farkers here in the springs, should we get a Fark party going? Kinda like a hurricane party?
2012-06-25 07:53:50 PM  
2 votes:

Indubitably: Actually, um, why isn't the military helping with the civilian fire crisis more? What are we paying you for, civilian forces?
That is all.
P.S. Thank you.


If this fire was bearing down on Key West, you can bet that the large fundie contingent in Colorado Springs would be calling it punishment from God. But now that it's bearing down on them they are calling in the military to stop it.
2012-06-25 07:11:13 PM  
2 votes:
I used to live in the Springs, I love Waldo Canyon, and I hope all ends well, but I do chuckle when I see that most of the tab for this is being paid for by the feds. Typical for the "bootstrappy" Springs. Deride the government, but take the money.
2012-06-25 05:42:07 PM  
2 votes:

notmtwain: Wow, fighting a 5,000 acre fire with a plane that can carry almost 3000 gallons of water at a time.

I'll bet they can effectively cover up to five acres with just one plane.

// They have a couple hundred of those planes, right?


The planes are not used to 'put out' a wildfire. They are used to buy time, slow down a hot spot, protect a specific structure, 'guide' the fire in a less destructive direction. They give the boots on the ground a chance to contain the fire and limit its destruction.

Nobody puts out a wildfire, all you can do is contain it and let it burn out.
2012-06-25 04:17:38 PM  
2 votes:
Tomorrow's WND headline: MYSTERY MILITARY AIRCRAFT SPOTTED FLYING LOW OVER COLORADO
2012-06-26 12:44:49 AM  
1 vote:

New Age Redneck: Gough

It depends on where you live, Where Rohar and I live, Ponderosa pine, not fir, would be the dominant tree species on most sites. Before fire suppression started ~100 years ago, the area around here was mainly widely-spaced P. pine. There were low-intensity fires every 5-7 years, on the average, which favored fire-resistant species like Ponderosa.

To fire-scape our Tree Farm, we're in the midst of trying to recreate that situation: thinning the trees and introducing periodic low-intensity fire.

Yep. Solid plan do what mother nature does.

It is hard to sell the idea of prescribed burns and thinning to people that are just anti fire for some reason. We are doing the same management you are practicing around our town it has been a great wet spring to do lots of burning. It is amazing the amount of fuel that builds up in a short time.

As well we have ponderosa pine here as well it is a dry site climax species but gets encroached upon by fir due to fire suppression.

I was just trying to point out to folks that forests work in cycles, "succession", and that lodgepole pine is a pioneer species, it is supposed to die it's part of the cycle.
Just like a wet site here would have cedar/ hemlock as a climax forest, or high elevation would be a spruce climax forest subalpine fir being a pioneer species.

Sorry I am a tree geek.

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Results of a prescribed burn near Banff.

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I like big cedars.

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I like big cedars.

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Douglas fir encroachment in ponderosa pine near Syringa Creek BC.


No apology necessary.
2012-06-25 10:45:19 PM  
1 vote:

RoyBatty: groundrush: *sigh*
Guess I have to post it myself....
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You actually didn't have to post it at all.


that post should be on par with posting the mexican cycling accident..(and I guess I shouldn't call it an 'accident'..)

/posting pics of people dying should be an instant vacation, imho
2012-06-25 10:35:46 PM  
1 vote:

New Age Redneck: rohar

CapnBlues: rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.

The irony is it's possible the rest of us did this to them. Pine beetle outbreaks are creating huge swaths of dead dry trees. It's not freesing hard enough in the winter to kill the beetles off like it used to.

Wonder what changed?

Learn how to spell.

Beetle problems are from mismanagement and fire suppression. Find my other post and read it, or have someone read it to you.

Look up "forest succession", "encroachment" and "pioneer species".


Funny, the University of British Columbia, Department of Forest Sciences says we're both right.

In the end, I stand by my previous statement. These people didn't move in to a fire zone. We all had a hand in it becomming one. Obviously we all should have a hand in dealing with it.
2012-06-25 09:57:36 PM  
1 vote:
Godspeed gentlemen, godspeed.
2012-06-25 09:38:17 PM  
1 vote:
Fark, I am disappoint.
d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net
2012-06-25 09:33:23 PM  
1 vote:
2012-06-25 09:31:20 PM  
1 vote:

CapnBlues: rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.


The irony is it's possible the rest of us did this to them. Pine beetle outbreaks are creating huge swaths of dead dry trees. It's not freesing hard enough in the winter to kill the beetles off like it used to.

Wonder what changed?
2012-06-25 09:09:46 PM  
1 vote:

rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.


the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.
2012-06-25 08:46:11 PM  
1 vote:

Bschott007:

bobfloyd: Anyone who says we chose to live in a fire zone is totally clueless. There has NEVER been an event like this in the last 30-40 years at least.



Well, if you mean in the USA, you might be correct.

Otherwise, Australia (specifically Black Saturday) would like to have a word with you on this cute little bonfire.


I understand the weather on Venus gets pretty bad this time of year.

/equally relevant observation
2012-06-25 08:11:14 PM  
1 vote:

Bschott007: bobfloyd: I was evac'd out yesterday morning, but they let us go back home last night. Incredibly hot and dry with no sign of relief for at least the next week. Walking outside is miserable with all the smoke in the air. They're saying the fire is 5% contained which may not seem like much, but that's 5% more than it's been for the last two days.

Anyone who says we chose to live in a fire zone is totally clueless. There has NEVER been an event like this in the last 30-40 years at least.

Well, if you mean in the USA, you might be correct.

Otherwise, Australia (specifically Black Saturday) would like to have a word with you on this cute little bonfire.

/Call me when it turns into an honest-to-FSM firestorm


I think it was pretty clear he was referring to the specific area currently on fire, not globally.
2012-06-25 07:58:21 PM  
1 vote:

huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"


Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.
2012-06-25 07:52:58 PM  
1 vote:

CrscntBufS: Last night on the news, the reporters did an interview with one of the pilots who was saying they fly really low, so please don't call 911 reporting that an airplane is about to crash.

/Well, I thought it was humorous.
//I'm on the other side of Pikes Peak from the fire.
///Some idiot is running around El Paso/Teller/Park counties actually starting fires. Boy do the people have plans for that yahoo.


t.qkme.me
/hot like certain parts of Colorado
2012-06-25 07:29:54 PM  
1 vote:

ProfessorOhki: Charlie Freak: firefly212: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


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payload capacity is all that matters for these things, propulsion type is irrelevant... push come to shove, I'd take a prop, it's slower and has the ability to be slightly more accurate.

Military kinda had to step in to fight this one though, it's at Fort Carson's doorstep.

For really low-level work, I'd stick with the piston engine prop-jobs. There is no spool-up time with them - torque is direct and instantaneous.

Can any of you plane guys tell us if there's a distinct advantage/disadvantage of prop vs. jet when going through really hot air? Or is it not an issue at the altitude they'd be dropping from?


Short version is that a turbo-prop (the herc) is burning a lot more fuel at those altitudes (it's still essentially a jet, just very high bypass) and it's primary internal components are at risk with airborne ash. Piston driven engines have significant advantages at lower altitudes and they are much less susceptible to damage by ash, though air starvation is a risk.

Cheers.

/+13000 hours in a herc cockpit, navigator
//Way too may hours going almost fast at low altitude
///it's not very efficient on fuel, but it's an awesome way to put a lot of mass in an area fast
2012-06-25 07:22:29 PM  
1 vote:

Kibbler: Between the fires, which are TNCGWEITAIHNDHA (Totally Not Caused by Global Warming, and Even If They Are, It Has Nothing to Do with Human Action), and the pine beetle, which is likewise TNCGWEITAIHNDHA, Colorado, and plenty of other Western states, are going to become very sad places in the coming decades. Devoid of forest (certainly of pine trees), and eventually more or less uninhabitable, unless you don't mind your house burning down every few years.

They'd better pass a law soon making it illegal to suggest that the fires and beetles anything other than TNCGWEITAIHNDHA.


Good article in our paper yesterday.
2012-06-25 07:19:56 PM  
1 vote:
The way the winds are blowing now, the AIR FORCE ACADEMY is in plenty of potential danger too, so kindly take a moment to suck it!
2012-06-25 07:11:23 PM  
1 vote:

firefly212: Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


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That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
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Bombardier makes some awesome planes that scoop up water from lakes and dump them, I saw one go over about an hour ago.

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Canadair CL215's (now made by bombardier) are stationed all over the Canadian prairies to fight fires, and they do a damn good job, too. They fill up from a lake in under 30 seconds and can do up to 6 waterbombing runs an hour, depending on distances from a suitable body of water. I spent a few months working on a base a few hundred meters from one of their runways.
2012-06-25 06:36:18 PM  
1 vote:

jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.


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2012-06-25 06:34:09 PM  
1 vote:
what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.
2012-06-25 06:23:45 PM  
1 vote:

Sensei Can You See: swahnhennessy: On the other, it's Colorado Springs. Fire might do it a favor.

Pssst: Just because James Dobson and Ted Haggard live here doesn't mean everyone is like them.


Precisely THIS! Colorado got Californicated years ago when Dobson moved Focus on the Family here. We weren't all that happy about it or the way they've tried to co-opt our region. Plenty of great folks here who aren't whackos!

/Sad to see Purple Mountain's majesty above the burning flames.
2012-06-25 06:03:00 PM  
1 vote:

RoyBatty: [subversatile.net image 450x301]

I heard we were taking on fire at Waldo Canyon. I responded with C-130s.


That's just spooky.
2012-06-25 05:48:48 PM  
1 vote:

algrant33: This shiat's about 5 miles from my house. Last night we were completely inundated with smoke, just like the entire south side of town.

It's awfully fun to watch what amounts to a 30-foot tall bonfire just up the hill after sundown, though.


What you standin there for?
Get up, get out, get out of the door
2012-06-25 05:42:36 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
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Nope. They're using 60+ year-old submarine hunters donated by the military. They need to land and be refilled by a tanker. And I think there are less than a dozen left that are still airworthy.
2012-06-25 05:39:59 PM  
1 vote:
I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't want to see my childhood town damaged. On the other, it's Colorado Springs. Fire might do it a favor.

Unfortunately, the city itself will be spared. The nice outer parts won't.
rka
2012-06-25 05:35:36 PM  
1 vote:

notmtwain: Wow, fighting a 5,000 acre fire with a plane that can carry almost 3000 gallons of water at a time.

I'll bet they can effectively cover up to five acres with just one plane.

// They have a couple hundred of those planes, right?


You don't put out a forest fire with the planes. All the planes do is make an area (cool it down) where the firefighters can get into and really go to work. WIldfires are fought by people on the ground doing hard, backbreaking work.
2012-06-25 05:34:27 PM  
1 vote:

Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 639x480]


Bombardier makes some awesome planes that scoop up water from lakes and dump them, I saw one go over about an hour ago.

www.flugzeuginfo.net
2012-06-25 05:33:30 PM  
1 vote:
Hopefully there aren't any big fires elsewhere in the nation. More than half of our wildfire fighting equipment is in Colorado right now, and it looks like the temperature is going to keep hovering around 100 degrees without any rain in sight
2012-06-25 05:24:16 PM  
1 vote:

algrant33: This shiat's about 5 miles from my house. Last night we were completely inundated with smoke, just like the entire south side of town.

It's awfully fun to watch what amounts to a 30-foot tall bonfire just up the hill after sundown, though.


You have a really weird sense of "what is fun", don't you? You probably watch train wrecks on Saturday afternoon to relax.

/oh wait, so do I.
//"Caught on Camera" disaster marathon
2012-06-25 03:59:18 PM  
1 vote:

Unfreakable: Unfreakable: AdolfOliverPanties: Where's that canyon?

Just west of Colorado Springs.

I just bit, didn't I?

/dammit


No, you just found it and you're onto the next page: Waldo, Kansas. Go.
 
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