Uzzah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: AdolfOliverPanties: [t1.gstatic.com image 300x200]

Damn plane scooped too low.

I thought Mythbusters busted that one

Nope. As reported in the Reno Gazette, June of 1983 there is the story of a fire, the water that it took to contain the fire, and a scuba diver named Delmer Darion, employee of the Peppermill Hotel and Casino, Reno, Nevada. Engaged as a blackjack dealer. Well liked and well regarded as a physical, recreational and sporting sort, Delmer's true passion was for the lake. As reported by the coroner, Delmer died of a heart attack somewhere between the lake and the tree.

A most curious side note is the suicide the next day of Craig Hansen, volunteer firefighter, estranged father of four and a poor tendency to drink. Mr. Hansen was the pilot of the plane that quite accidentally lifted Delmer Darion out of the water. Added to this, Mr. Hansen's tortured life met before with Delmer Darion just two nights previous. The weight of the guilt and the measure of coincidence so large, Craig Hansen took his life.

And I am trying to think this was all only a matter of chance ... but no. These strange things happen all the time.

Well played, sir, I wonder if you'll get many bites....

Friction8r: 0Icky0: Indubitably: Actually, um, why isn't the military helping with the civilian fire crisis more? What are we paying you for, civilian forces?
That is all.
P.S. Thank you.

If this fire was bearing down on Key West, you can bet that the large fundie contingent in Colorado Springs would be calling it punishment from God. But now that it's bearing down on them they are calling in the military to stop it.

Given your analogy, you sound very ghey and repressed...and stupid! Hope you live in an earthquake zone or a hurricane zone or a locust zone or a driveby zone.

It's awfully presumptive of you to "hope" this poster lives in an area frequented by ultimately chaotic violence. It's actually a bit much. Are you human?

Tone it down, human.

Or are you Cro-Magnon? Neandethal?

I didn't read you were, so...

Stand down, human.

We are.

Noticeably F.A.T.: CrscntBufS: ///Some idiot is running around El Paso/Teller/Park counties actually starting fires. Boy do the people have plans for that yahoo.

Wow, hadn't heard about that. If the cops don't catch him before someone else does, his only hope is that he picked an area with some decently laid back people. If he tried that to the NE I know a few people who honestly would have no issues with burying an arsonist where he fell (assuming they don't just leave him to the coyotes). The only call the cops would get would be along the lines of "You know that guy lighting fires? Yeah, you don't need to keep looking for him."

Two words, people: "Burn Phone"

/no pun intended

Bschott007: bobfloyd: I was evac'd out yesterday morning, but they let us go back home last night. Incredibly hot and dry with no sign of relief for at least the next week. Walking outside is miserable with all the smoke in the air. They're saying the fire is 5% contained which may not seem like much, but that's 5% more than it's been for the last two days.

Anyone who says we chose to live in a fire zone is totally clueless. There has NEVER been an event like this in the last 30-40 years at least.

Well, if you mean in the USA, you might be correct.

Otherwise, Australia (specifically Black Saturday) would like to have a word with you on this cute little bonfire.

/Call me when it turns into an honest-to-FSM firestorm

I think it was pretty clear he was referring to the specific area currently on fire, not globally.

So, with all the farkers here in the springs, should we get a Fark party going? Kinda like a hurricane party?

Kibbler

Between the fires, which are TNCGWEITAIHNDHA (Totally Not Caused by Global Warming, and Even If They Are, It Has Nothing to Do with Human Action), and the pine beetle, which is likewise TNCGWEITAIHNDHA, Colorado, and plenty of other Western states, are going to become very sad places in the coming decades. Devoid of forest (certainly of pine trees), and eventually more or less uninhabitable, unless you don't mind your house burning down every few years.

They'd better pass a law soon making it illegal to suggest that the fires and beetles anything other than TNCGWEITAIHNDHA.

Lodgepole pine are a pioneer species, they are short lived and give way to climax forest of Ponderosa Pine or Douglas Fir on dry sites. Lodgepole pine should be done after 80 or so years. Look up "succession" it is the process forests go through in their life cycle. The beetle issue is forest mismanagement and fire suppression leaving lots of food for the beetles and in suppressing fire we have left insane fuel loads which will result in catastrophic fires. These hot fires will slow the regeneration process.
You paint the picture that fire is bad. It is part of how forests reproduce, it is essential for good healthy forests to burn. Pine are just doing what they do, just seems like people don't really understand how nature works.
Hope the folks in Colorado get rain, that is all that will really help. We are having serious flooding here in BC, you can have all the rain were getting.

Indubitably: Friction8r: 0Icky0: Indubitably: Actually, um, why isn't the military helping with the civilian fire crisis more? What are we paying you for, civilian forces?
That is all.
P.S. Thank you.

If this fire was bearing down on Key West, you can bet that the large fundie contingent in Colorado Springs would be calling it punishment from God. But now that it's bearing down on them they are calling in the military to stop it.

Given your analogy, you sound very ghey and repressed...and stupid! Hope you live in an earthquake zone or a hurricane zone or a locust zone or a driveby zone.

It's awfully presumptive of you to "hope" this poster lives in an area frequented by ultimately chaotic violence. It's actually a bit much. Are you human?

Tone it down, human.

Or are you Cro-Magnon? Neandethal?

I didn't read you were, so...

Stand down, human.

We are.

P.S. Crap, "Neanderthal?"

Heh.

Mikey1969: Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 639x480]

There's one here that's pretty big. Halfway down the page.

Martin JRM Mars

7,200 US gallons per drop, (water or in flight mix gel load), 6 hours sustained operations and as little as 15 minutes between drops..so with the Hawaii and Philippines working in tandem you put 57,600 Gallons on the fire every hour..


Link




/hot

Terrifying to hear about. I grew up in Green Mountain Falls, and went to high school in Manitou Springs, two of the towns under mandatory evacuation orders (although now the evacuation has been lifted for Manitou Springs.) Such beautiful historic little towns. I sure hope everybody is safe.

/Yeah, I know, CSB

algrant33: This shiat's about 5 miles from my house. Last night we were completely inundated with smoke, just like the entire south side of town.

It's awfully fun to watch what amounts to a 30-foot tall bonfire just up the hill after sundown, though.

I'm up the highway a few miles in Teller County, where we've had 21 suspicious fires set in the last 8 or so days. I hope they catch whoever's doing this soon---it's frightening.

Proletariat In Charge: So, with all the farkers here in the springs, should we get a Fark party going? Kinda like a hurricane party?

Yes! Once they reopen 24 that is. ;-)

Wow.

I was in the Springs for a wedding last weekend. I was hiking in that exact area. Interestingly I was hiking there because my first choice up above Denver was on fire.

change1211: Brian_of_Nazareth: Elimiscaf: the_immoral_minority: Are there just TWO C-130's??? There should be 20 or, fark, 200. We can transport millions of pounds of bombs to the other side of the world, but can't haul water/retardant to parts of the US. Come on, some of you fark-free thinkers out there - there's got to be a way to quickly load some kind of large bladder "bombs' on ....say a C-130, bombs that has a biodegradable skin that breaks apart upon dropping.

There are 4 in the US, 2 are here. I don't know why there aren't more but this is an unprecedented fire season. It's worse than 2002 and the Heyman Fire due to weather patterns and temps.

I think you need to clarify. I have no idea what the current fleet in the US is, but I'd bet a lot they have more than 4 E models in active service (some doing really kewl jobs), and hundreds of H and J kicking about. Unless you're referring specifically to C130s with the necessary kit to do the job at hand.

Cheers.

I can't even imagine what the skies would look like if you added 20-200 C-130's on top of the aircraft already working the fire. That just sounds like a recipe for a midair.

I think you missed a level of quote. I wasn't supporting the idea of large numbers of C130s in the air, I know just how difficult deconflicting that would be. I was asking after the statement that there were only 4 in the US. shiat, we had problems deconflicting half a dozen aircraft in uncontrolled airspace, I wouldn't even joke about considering 200.

Cheers

change1211: firefly212: Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 639x480]

Bombardier makes some awesome planes that scoop up water from lakes and dump them, I saw one go over about an hour ago.

[www.flugzeuginfo.net image 640x480]

Huh, I didn't think there were too many of those operating in US airspace.

What they really need is the pair of Martin Mars bombers, CF-LYK and CF-LYL.

[www.martinmars.com image 590x456]

I think there are often four CL-415s (SuperScoopers) leased from Quebec in CA during the fire season. Some of the other Canadian-based planes make guest appearances in the states on occasion.

Brian_of_Nazareth:

I think you need to clarify. I have no idea what the current fleet in the US is, but I'd bet a lot they have more than 4 E models in active service (some doing really kewl jobs), and hundreds of H and J kicking about. Unless you're referring specifically to C130s with the necessary kit to do the job at hand.

Cheers.

Actually I believe the newscast said there are 8 in the U.S. There were already 2 in Colorado and they flew 2 in from Wyoming.

algrant33: highendmighty: algrant33: This shiat's about 5 miles from my house. Last night we were completely inundated with smoke, just like the entire south side of town.

It's awfully fun to watch what amounts to a 30-foot tall bonfire just up the hill after sundown, though.

What you standin there for?
Get up, get out, get out of the door

I've got a bug-out bag put together, but I hope it won't come to that. I'm 8 blocks from the mandatory evacs, so it's certainly possible. A sustained heavy westerly wind will make it happen.

Same here. We're on the west side by the quarry scar. That's a mighty big plume coming over my house right now.

Proletariat In Charge: So, with all the farkers here in the springs, should we get a Fark party going? Kinda like a hurricane party?

I'm game. Took 3 hours to get to work this morning in Woodland Park. I'm working from home now till they get 24 back open.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uzzah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: AdolfOliverPanties: [t1.gstatic.com image 300x200]

Damn plane scooped too low.

I thought Mythbusters busted that one

Nope. As reported in the Reno Gazette, June of 1983 there is the story of a fire, the water that it took to contain the fire, and a scuba diver named Delmer Darion, employee of the Peppermill Hotel and Casino, Reno, Nevada. Engaged as a blackjack dealer. Well liked and well regarded as a physical, recreational and sporting sort, Delmer's true passion was for the lake. As reported by the coroner, Delmer died of a heart attack somewhere between the lake and the tree.

A most curious side note is the suicide the next day of Craig Hansen, volunteer firefighter, estranged father of four and a poor tendency to drink. Mr. Hansen was the pilot of the plane that quite accidentally lifted Delmer Darion out of the water. Added to this, Mr. Hansen's tortured life met before with Delmer Darion just two nights previous. The weight of the guilt and the measure of coincidence so large, Craig Hansen took his life.

And I am trying to think this was all only a matter of chance ... but no. These strange things happen all the time.

Ah. Thank you. I hadn't heard about an incident involving a plane. As I recall, Mythbusters was testing the helicopter snorkel water intake and couldn't make it work.

With this much time for hateful, how about you lovesome?

Bschott007:

bobfloyd: Anyone who says we chose to live in a fire zone is totally clueless. There has NEVER been an event like this in the last 30-40 years at least.


Well, if you mean in the USA, you might be correct.

Otherwise, Australia (specifically Black Saturday) would like to have a word with you on this cute little bonfire.


I understand the weather on Venus gets pretty bad this time of year.

/equally relevant observation

Brian_of_Nazareth: change1211: Brian_of_Nazareth: Elimiscaf: the_immoral_minority: Are there just TWO C-130's??? There should be 20 or, fark, 200. We can transport millions of pounds of bombs to the other side of the world, but can't haul water/retardant to parts of the US. Come on, some of you fark-free thinkers out there - there's got to be a way to quickly load some kind of large bladder "bombs' on ....say a C-130, bombs that has a biodegradable skin that breaks apart upon dropping.

There are 4 in the US, 2 are here. I don't know why there aren't more but this is an unprecedented fire season. It's worse than 2002 and the Heyman Fire due to weather patterns and temps.

I think you need to clarify. I have no idea what the current fleet in the US is, but I'd bet a lot they have more than 4 E models in active service (some doing really kewl jobs), and hundreds of H and J kicking about. Unless you're referring specifically to C130s with the necessary kit to do the job at hand.

Cheers.

I can't even imagine what the skies would look like if you added 20-200 C-130's on top of the aircraft already working the fire. That just sounds like a recipe for a midair.

I think you missed a level of quote. I wasn't supporting the idea of large numbers of C130s in the air, I know just how difficult deconflicting that would be. I was asking after the statement that there were only 4 in the US. shiat, we had problems deconflicting half a dozen aircraft in uncontrolled airspace, I wouldn't even joke about considering 200.

Cheers

I did indeed, my mistake.

strutin: Mikey1969: Arkanaut: Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

That one probably needs a longer runway though.

What I'm wondering is if we have those planes that can scoop up water from a nearby lake and dump it on a fire. I think we used to use converted PBY's, and the Russians have built some using more recent airframes.

Example:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 639x480]

There's one here that's pretty big. Halfway down the page.

Martin JRM Mars

7,200 US gallons per drop, (water or in flight mix gel load), 6 hours sustained operations and as little as 15 minutes between drops..so with the Hawaii and Philippines working in tandem you put 57,600 Gallons on the fire every hour..


Link

[www.martinmars.com image 640x161]

[farm7.static.flickr.com image 500x334]
/hot

It's amazing to watch those two planes work. I was camping in Osoyoos in the summer of 2004 (At least I think it was '04) and I spent all of my time on a jetski parked around 100 feet from where they would touch down in the water.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uzzah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: AdolfOliverPanties: [t1.gstatic.com image 300x200]

Damn plane scooped too low.

I thought Mythbusters busted that one

Nope. As reported in the Reno Gazette, June of 1983 there is the story of a fire, the water that it took to contain the fire, and a scuba diver named Delmer Darion, employee of the Peppermill Hotel and Casino, Reno, Nevada. Engaged as a blackjack dealer. Well liked and well regarded as a physical, recreational and sporting sort, Delmer's true passion was for the lake. As reported by the coroner, Delmer died of a heart attack somewhere between the lake and the tree.

A most curious side note is the suicide the next day of Craig Hansen, volunteer firefighter, estranged father of four and a poor tendency to drink. Mr. Hansen was the pilot of the plane that quite accidentally lifted Delmer Darion out of the water. Added to this, Mr. Hansen's tortured life met before with Delmer Darion just two nights previous. The weight of the guilt and the measure of coincidence so large, Craig Hansen took his life.

And I am trying to think this was all only a matter of chance ... but no. These strange things happen all the time.

Ah. Thank you. I hadn't heard about an incident involving a plane. As I recall, Mythbusters was testing the helicopter snorkel water intake and couldn't make it work.

OK, you got your bits, the party's over: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/scuba.asp

Maud Dib: Screw prop planes, they need this bad boy. Saw it at work in the Texas wildfires last year.


[thevelvetrocket.files.wordpress.com image 640x447]

I just saw a piece on the news about prop planes making a comeback - apparently they use about half the fuel and one guy they interviewed claimed they are actually safer.

Link

Why haven't they called this bad boy in yet? Or did I hear they were grounded?

//link is hot of course. no offense.

Bits, bytes, bites...whatever.

On an unrelated note, according to the NIFC website, the numbers of acres burned to date in the US is well below the ten-year average (1.3 million acres versus 1.9). Not that that's any consolation to those folks affected.

First time the air force has been on US soil in 33 years. Oughta be interesting considering they haven't been trained for this

rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.

WonderWendie: [www.evergreenaviation.com image 450x338]

Why haven't they called this bad boy in yet? Or did I hear they were grounded?

//link is hot of course. no offense.

Lack of power. You need bigger engines if you wanna fly simething like that in Colorado.

Gough: Bits, bytes, bites...whatever.

On an unrelated note, according to the NIFC website, the numbers of acres burned to date in the US is well below the ten-year average (1.3 million acres versus 1.9). Not that that's any consolation to those folks affected.

Westerners like to squawk, despite what you've heard about the restive cowboy...

bobfloyd: Bschott007:

bobfloyd: Anyone who says we chose to live in a fire zone is totally clueless. There has NEVER been an event like this in the last 30-40 years at least.


Well, if you mean in the USA, you might be correct.

Otherwise, Australia (specifically Black Saturday) would like to have a word with you on this cute little bonfire.


I understand the weather on Venus gets pretty bad this time of year.

/equally relevant observation

Well, your post made it sound like you believed this was the worst fire event in the world in the last 30-40 years. It isn't even close.

Now if you were specific about this being the worst fire since the 80-90's in Colorado, then you may be correct.

So, yes, it was a relevant comment.

*sigh*
Guess I have to post it myself....

groundrush: *sigh*
Guess I have to post it myself....
[photos1.blogger.com image 450x325]

You actually didn't have to post it at all.

jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.
THIS.

Really? Where should people live then that is not a fire zone? I've never been anywhere where there was nothing to burn.

I do wonder how much of this assistance that the air force is offering has to do with the fire being right outside their academy.

Well, your post made it sound like you believed this was the worst fire event in the world in the last 30-40 years. It isn't even close.

er.. no, he was responding to the person who said he was living in a fire zone.

CapnBlues: rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.

The irony is it's possible the rest of us did this to them. Pine beetle outbreaks are creating huge swaths of dead dry trees. It's not freesing hard enough in the winter to kill the beetles off like it used to.

Wonder what changed?

Fark, I am disappoint.

groundrush: *sigh*
Guess I have to post it myself....
[photos1.blogger.com image 450x325]

"Cast the what?"

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 587x721]

Wildfiretoday.com - How to install a MAFFS II in a C-130J - Posted on June 25, 2012 by Bill Gabbert

Stupid Bill Gabbert... Those are C-130Hs, not C-130Js. 4 prop blades vs 6.

Godspeed gentlemen, godspeed.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: AdolfOliverPanties: [t1.gstatic.com image 300x200]

Damn plane scooped too low.

I thought Mythbusters busted that one

They did. I thought it was a true story.

RoyBatty: [subversatile.net image 450x301]

I heard we were taking on fire at Waldo Canyon. I responded with C-130s.

An SR-71 doing Mach 3 at 1500 feet might blow out the fire with the shock wave.

rohar

CapnBlues: rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.

The irony is it's possible the rest of us did this to them. Pine beetle outbreaks are creating huge swaths of dead dry trees. It's not freesing hard enough in the winter to kill the beetles off like it used to.

Wonder what changed?

Learn how to spell.

Beetle problems are from mismanagement and fire suppression. Find my other post and read it, or have someone read it to you.

Look up "forest succession", "encroachment" and "pioneer species".

Mad-n-FL: RoyBatty: [subversatile.net image 450x301]

I heard we were taking on fire at Waldo Canyon. I responded with C-130s.

An SR-71 doing Mach 3 at 1500 feet might blow out the fire with the shock wave.

Naw, let's B1-B'em...

Mad-n-FL: An SR-71 doing Mach 3 at 1500 feet might blow out the fire with the shock wave.

or have the air pressure outside the transonic cone ignite additional spot fires. . .

Proteios1: First time the air force has been on US soil in 33 years. Oughta be interesting considering they haven't been trained for this

ANG trains for it, there's a reason the conversion kits for C130s exist in the first place, and a better reason they store a couple of em out at Buckley... every Coloradan has known this fire season was gonna be tough since about march or so... once we realized no snow was coming.

New Age Redneck: rohar

CapnBlues: rohar: huckleberg: jackthezomber: what a waste of resources. let it burn, and don't live in a fire zone, dumbasses.

THIS.

the truth is ugly, and smells like my asshole. that's why we call it the truth, instead of "a good story" or "such a wonderful idea"

Except that not long ago, they weren't living in such a tinderbox. It occured around them over the past 30 years.

the biggest myth of which these folks are convinced is that people get what they deserve and deserve what they get. it's the just world hypothesis, and it's just not true.

The irony is it's possible the rest of us did this to them. Pine beetle outbreaks are creating huge swaths of dead dry trees. It's not freesing hard enough in the winter to kill the beetles off like it used to.

Wonder what changed?

Learn how to spell.

Beetle problems are from mismanagement and fire suppression. Find my other post and read it, or have someone read it to you.

Look up "forest succession", "encroachment" and "pioneer species".

Funny, the University of British Columbia, Department of Forest Sciences says we're both right.

In the end, I stand by my previous statement. These people didn't move in to a fire zone. We all had a hand in it becomming one. Obviously we all should have a hand in dealing with it.

RoyBatty: groundrush: *sigh*
Guess I have to post it myself....
[photos1.blogger.com image 450x325]

You actually didn't have to post it at all.

that post should be on par with posting the mexican cycling accident..(and I guess I shouldn't call it an 'accident'..)

/posting pics of people dying should be an instant vacation, imho

Dinodork: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 587x721]

Wildfiretoday.com - How to install a MAFFS II in a C-130J - Posted on June 25, 2012 by Bill Gabbert

Stupid Bill Gabbert... Those are C-130Hs, not C-130Js. 4 prop blades vs 6.

Those were F-16 Eagles.