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2012-06-25 10:36:09 AM
So, some old guy who's an Oath Keeper, ran for state congress in the Constitution Party, and lies to bankruptcy court about the gold he keeps buried in his back yard is losing his house due to medical bills.

If only we had some sort of way he could have afforded medical treatment. Some sort of social arrangement. Some way that a large group of people could have all pooled together to help pay for each other's health care...
 
2012-06-25 10:59:10 AM
And it's just hard to accept a decorated World War II Army Airborne combat veteran finding himself homeless as he approaches the age of 90.

"We would not touch them for nothing," he says. "Not for teeth, not for medical, not for anything. It was for old age, so if the economy went bad, we would have enough to pay our taxes and buy food."


How much older does he think he's going to get?
 
2012-06-25 11:47:45 AM
He's an Oath Keeper.

Meaning he doesn't think the Federal Government should be involved in anything, including health care.

fark him and his dead wife. Maybe if you hadn't spent the last 90 years trying to keep the US from having a first world health system, this wouldn't have happened to you.
 
2012-06-25 12:07:24 PM

Chameleon: So, some old guy who's an Oath Keeper, ran for state congress in the Constitution Party, and lies to bankruptcy court about the gold he keeps buried in his back yard is losing his house due to medical bills.

If only we had some sort of way he could have afforded medical treatment. Some sort of social arrangement. Some way that a large group of people could have all pooled together to help pay for each other's health care...


COMMIE!!!
www.arachnoid.com
 
2012-06-25 12:08:27 PM

ArkAngel: And it's just hard to accept a decorated World War II Army Airborne combat veteran finding himself homeless as he approaches the age of 90.

"We would not touch them for nothing," he says. "Not for teeth, not for medical, not for anything. It was for old age, so if the economy went bad, we would have enough to pay our taxes and buy food."

How much older does he think he's going to get?


Good question. Now seems like the time.
 
2012-06-25 12:12:52 PM
This is rich.

The Oath Keepers, those patriotic gun fetishists sworn to protect the Constitution from the socialist Kenyan usurper, are rallying against property rights, rule of law, and free market health insurance.
 
2012-06-25 12:18:11 PM
You know what? I'm gonna go with a giant "fark you" to this dude. He lied to the courts, he kicked, screamed and complained about being treated unfairly, he put someone's life at risk just because they did their job. He whines about healthcare costs while belonging to a group that actively opposes fixing them. Then, to top all this off, he throws out his veteran status as though it should grant him special treatment.

Buddy, you farked up hardcore. Don't scream about being a veteran - it's not a "get out of jail free" card.


/people like this are the reason my granddad never mentions he's retired army.
//veterans can be douchebags too.
 
2012-06-25 12:18:54 PM
Is that so you can take her home and show her to the kids?
 
2012-06-25 12:20:09 PM
The only reason he had to give up his home was to, in his mind, avoid prosecution for bankruptcy fraud. If he'd been honest about what assets he had, he'd still have his home.

No one should have to lose all their assets to pay medical bills, but until f*cks like the Oath Keepers stop blocking a one-payer health care system, it's going to happen.

You reap what you sow.
 
2012-06-25 12:21:05 PM
He's saving the gold for his retirement? Dude, you're 90 years old and losing your house because you can't pay your bills. Now is the time to break out the gold!
 
2012-06-25 12:22:24 PM
Sounds like a case of "Be careful what you wish for".
 
2012-06-25 12:24:37 PM
I wonder what he did to make the stepson hate him enough to rat him out about the gold and silver. And the "friend" who he gave it to and who then stands up in court and says, "I've got it". Sounds to me like this guy wasn't too likable to those around him.
 
2012-06-25 12:26:35 PM
Wonder how much they blew on those "alternative" and "herbal" cancer treatments.

Here's a thought. Bury your wife in a cemetary (pro-tip: after she's dead). Buy a burial plot next to her.

Don't bury her in the backyard, and figure after you're dead you can be popped in next to her. Some folks don't really like having a cemetary in the back yard.
 
2012-06-25 12:26:38 PM
That picture of Keira Knightley on the right is awful. Seriously kill it with fire.
 
2012-06-25 12:35:15 PM

CPennypacker: That picture of Keira Knightley on the right is awful. Seriously kill it with fire.


I think she's super hot but I have a fetish of farking a bag of antlers.
 
2012-06-25 12:42:25 PM
Time for Mr. Oath Keeper to get all boot-strappy and stop trying to be a leech.

Isn't it just like libertarian types, hate the government and its services, but when you need them get indignant that they aren't available.
 
2012-06-25 12:44:29 PM
FTFA: Ryan says it was Bodeker's stepson who informed the bankruptcy court of the gold and silver. She says Brandon produced the stepson's letter at a bankruptcy proceeding, and the trustee and a deputy sheriff immediately escorted Bodeker to the property, located between Plains and Paradise, and went over the grounds with a metal detector.

"They didn't find anything," Ryan says.

Ryan says Bodeker had sold the bar of silver to secure an attorney.

When they didn't find the gold or silver, Ryan says the stepson directed the trustee to a "secret room" he said was in the house.

Brandon returned, according to Ryan.

"She said, 'Where's your secret room?' and Renn said, 'What secret room?' " Ryan says. Ryan says it turned out the stepson was referring to a "food storage room" and "they found nothing there."

"He did have some gold and silver," she goes on. "It was his retirement in his mind, and it was untouchable - nobody else knew about it except for the stepson."


Dude. What the hell is going on in that family that would cause the stepson to tattle on the old man's gold stash? It's not like it was going to be given to him. It'd just go straight into the bankruptcy black hole.
 
2012-06-25 12:44:35 PM
So... he buried his wife in his back yard and wanted to be buried next to her? Did he think the next owners of the property would just let them rest in peace? I'd dig them up and throw them away.
 
2012-06-25 12:46:15 PM

Coolfusis: He whines about healthcare costs while belonging to a group that actively opposes fixing them.


Read up more on his situation; he ended up telling the healthcare industry to fark off and went herbal for the last years of his wife's life(stupid, but maybe cheaper). He also paid for the stuff until he ran out of money. I'm willing to bet that the 'buried gold' at this point is no more than his wife's wedding ring.

Also, 'Oath Keeper' doesn't equal 'Tea Partier'.
From wikipedia:
1.Orders to disarm the American people.
2.Orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.
3.Orders to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to military tribunal.
4.Orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state.
5.Orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6.Any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7.Any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8.Orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control."
9.Any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.Any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Healthcare is notably absent from the list. I'm not saying that they aren't nuts; but let's be specific about their nuttiness.
 
2012-06-25 12:49:00 PM

Chameleon: So, some old guy who's an Oath Keeper, ran for state congress in the Constitution Party, and lies to bankruptcy court about the gold he keeps buried in his back yard is losing his house due to medical bills.

If only we had some sort of way he could have afforded medical treatment. Some sort of social arrangement. Some way that a large group of people could have all pooled together to help pay for each other's health care...


The whole "pay for each others health care thing" is unfair because the few will pay for the many which amounts to even less money in their pockets while the lazy continue to be lazy.

Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.

Lolz...roflcopter
 
2012-06-25 12:49:35 PM
For an "oath keeper" he sure seems to have done quite a bit of lying.
 
2012-06-25 12:50:23 PM
FTA: Bodeker apparently paid his bills for decades before Lorna's costly battle with cancer caught up to him. They forewent traditional medical treatments in favor of herbal treatments and clinics they believe prolonged her life.

Well there's your problem right there. The "doctors" that run these "clinics" don't do so at a discount.
 
2012-06-25 12:53:54 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: The whole "pay for each others health care thing" is unfair because the few will pay for the many which amounts to even less money in their pockets while the lazy continue to be lazy.


Wrong; the many will pay for the few because everyone's paying but only a few are getting sick.

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.


Let me paraphrase: "Fark you, I've got mine."
 
2012-06-25 12:57:38 PM

penthesilea:

Dude. What the hell is going on in that family that would cause the stepson to tattle on the old man's gold stash? It's not like it was going to be given to him. It'd just go straight into the bankruptcy black hole.


That would be the same step-son who watched his Mom die from cancer because the old man refused to break out any of his gold/silver hoard to pay for treatment? Is that the one you mean?
 
2012-06-25 12:58:47 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Chameleon: So, some old guy who's an Oath Keeper, ran for state congress in the Constitution Party, and lies to bankruptcy court about the gold he keeps buried in his back yard is losing his house due to medical bills.

If only we had some sort of way he could have afforded medical treatment. Some sort of social arrangement. Some way that a large group of people could have all pooled together to help pay for each other's health care...

The whole "pay for each others health care thing" is unfair because the few will pay for the many which amounts to even less money in their pockets while the lazy continue to be lazy.

Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.

Lolz...roflcopter


Yea, it's good that Amtrak is run by private industry so that the pensions are sacrosanct. Oh wait...you are a leech off of us and private pensions fail all the time. Good luck with that.

Would be a shame if your conservative fellow travelers finally got rid of Amtrak, which they've been trying to do ever since it was formed.
 
2012-06-25 01:01:05 PM
OMG! We're All Gonna Durrp! 2012-06-25 12:49:00 PM


Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.


The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak (reporting mark AMTK), is a government-owned corporation that was organized on May 1, 1971, to provide intercity passenger train service in the United States. "Amtrak" is a portmanteau of the words "America" and "track". It is headquartered at Union Station in Washington, D.C.

All of Amtrak's preferred stock is owned by the U.S. federal government. The members of its board of directors are appointed by the President of the United States and are subject to confirmation by the United States Senate.


STFU dumbass, you work for the Federal government.
 
2012-06-25 01:03:14 PM

wingnut396: For an "oath keeper" he sure seems to have done quite a bit of lying.


It's "oath keeper" not "oaths keeper".
 
2012-06-25 01:03:37 PM

Firethorn: Coolfusis: He whines about healthcare costs while belonging to a group that actively opposes fixing them.

Read up more on his situation; he ended up telling the healthcare industry to fark off and went herbal for the last years of his wife's life(stupid, but maybe cheaper).


She had Medicare. You DO realize that Max out of pocket for hospitalization is around $5K per year with Medicare?

They could have also gone with Part "C" (includes Part D and A/B) with a $0 premium, guaranteed coverage including pre-existing and +- $3K per year max out of pocket.

Bad decisions and definitely NOT cheaper!
 
2012-06-25 01:06:01 PM

Chameleon: So, some old guy who's an Oath Keeper, ran for state congress in the Constitution Party, and lies to bankruptcy court about the gold he keeps buried in his back yard is losing his house due to medical bills.

If only we had some sort of way he could have afforded medical treatment. Some sort of social arrangement. Some way that a large group of people could have all pooled together to help pay for each other's health care...



I bet that he was overwhelmed by "medical" bills because medicare wasn't willing to shell out anything for herbal baths and willow bark elixirs that saved his wife from the ravages of cancer not one bit and that cost a pretty penny.
and who buries the wife in the backyard?
why bury the f*cking gold in the backyard? what is wrong with the closet? and how did they find out about it?
a series of unfortunate decisions.
 
2012-06-25 01:11:16 PM
Should've just got her a therapy horse.

www.dressage-news.com
 
2012-06-25 01:16:04 PM

Firethorn: Coolfusis: He whines about healthcare costs while belonging to a group that actively opposes fixing them.

Read up more on his situation; he ended up telling the healthcare industry to fark off and went herbal for the last years of his wife's life(stupid, but maybe cheaper). He also paid for the stuff until he ran out of money. I'm willing to bet that the 'buried gold' at this point is no more than his wife's wedding ring.

Also, 'Oath Keeper' doesn't equal 'Tea Partier'.
From wikipedia:
1.Orders to disarm the American people.
2.Orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.
3.Orders to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to military tribunal.
4.Orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state.
5.Orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6.Any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7.Any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8.Orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control."
9.Any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.Any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Healthcare is notably absent from the list. I'm not saying that they aren't nuts; but let's be specific about their nuttiness.


Yes and the Tea Partiers are strictly concerned with Washington's fiscal irresponsibility....
 
2012-06-25 01:43:20 PM

Kittypie070: OMG! We're All Gonna Durrp! 2012-06-25 12:49:00 PM


Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.


The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak (reporting mark AMTK), is a government-owned corporation that was organized on May 1, 1971, to provide intercity passenger train service in the United States. "Amtrak" is a portmanteau of the words "America" and "track". It is headquartered at Union Station in Washington, D.C.

All of Amtrak's preferred stock is owned by the U.S. federal government. The members of its board of directors are appointed by the President of the United States and are subject to confirmation by the United States Senate.

STFU dumbass, you work for the Federal government.


Now now, let's not confuse the man with facts and intelligent arguements.

/Bad kitty
//You need a spanking.
 
2012-06-25 01:55:21 PM

Kittypie070: OMG! We're All Gonna Durrp! 2012-06-25 12:49:00 PM

Of course it doesn't matter to me. I work for Amtrak so I have full health and railroad retirement so I'm exempt from the social security ponzi scheme. Good lick with that by the way.

The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak (reporting mark AMTK), is a government-owned corporation that was organized on May 1, 1971, to provide intercity passenger train service in the United States. "Amtrak" is a portmanteau of the words "America" and "track". It is headquartered at Union Station in Washington, D.C.

All of Amtrak's preferred stock is owned by the U.S. federal government. The members of its board of directors are appointed by the President of the United States and are subject to confirmation by the United States Senate.

STFU dumbass, you work for the Federal government.


He works for Amtrak, which is owned by the Feds, which isn't quite the same as working for the Feds. Federal employees get a 401k-style program if they started after 1987, and a defined-benefit plan if they started before then.

Railroad workers don't participate in either, or in Social Security; they're covered by the Railroad Retirement Board. He's laughing, because it's true.

From the RRB website:

"The average age annuity being paid by the Railroad Retirement Board (RRB) at the end of fiscal year 2010 to career rail employees was $2,760 a month, and for all retired rail employees the average was $2,185. The average age retirement benefit being paid under social security was over $1,170 a month. Spouse benefits averaged $815 a month under railroad retirement compared to $560 under social security."

In other words, to the tune of about $1000 a month better than SS; nice work if you can get keep it.
 
2012-06-25 02:22:23 PM

jjorsett: I wonder what he did to make the stepson hate him enough to rat him out about the gold and silver. And the "friend" who he gave it to and who then stands up in court and says, "I've got it". Sounds to me like this guy wasn't too likable to those around him.


FTA: "He and Lorna both intended to be buried on the property, Bodeker adds, and that the property would initially be passed down to his daughter"

My theory is that either the stepson thought that turning over the gold would stop the seizure of the house, or he decided that if he wasn't getting the house, the daughter wouldn't get it either.

Regardless of the hidden gold and whether or not Bodeker understood what signing the homestead exemption waiver meant, it strikes me as pretty cold of the judge to refuse a continuance (and instead deny the bankruptcy filing) while Bodeker was in the hospital.
 
2012-06-25 02:54:52 PM

pudding7: He's saving the gold for his retirement? Dude, you're 90 years old and losing your house because you can't pay your bills. Now is the time to break out the gold!


I'm willing to bet that the gold was broke out years ago, probably for something stupid, possibly for his wife's medical(smart) and non-medical care(herbal treatment-stupid;hiring a maid to help out, probably necessary). The argument that he has is that some time ago he sold a bar of silver, supposedly for a lawyer; another for presents at some point.

Another thing would be that he's 89 years old - he may no longer be mentally competent. Saving gold for retirement is stupid, but believable. Having an 89 year old attempt to keep ahold of it 'for retirement' is indication to me of something like Alzheimer's. They went looking for the gold and didn't find it.

I figure that the stepson has an axe to grind and is sending the trustee after fool's gold; Ren probably either used or lost the gold/silver years ago; while he can remember getting the gold, he can't remember disposing of it anymore. Alzheimer's tends to eliminate the newest memories first - so he'd remember storing the gold, but not disposing of it.

On the promise thing - this is a guy who said he was so sick of 'War' after WWII that he changed his name from 'Warren' to just 'Ren'. Possibly shell shock, but he seemed to have a decently good life afterwards. Still, it indicates that the war had a deep enough impact on his life to make permanent changes; despite his sickness of it, he was unable to let it go.
 
2012-06-25 02:56:40 PM
This Thread Rocks
 
2012-06-25 03:01:40 PM
So some right-wing group makers shiat up and gets everyone's undies in a bunch. How unique!
 
2012-06-25 03:52:37 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Yes and the Tea Partiers are strictly concerned with Washington's fiscal irresponsibility....


I'd state that everything exists in a continuum. You can be a member of a party/movement and not agree with it's stances 100%. It says that he's a member of the promise-keepers, not that he's a tea-partier. The extent of his involvement is still up for grabs, as is any other political stances.

To my knowledge, the promise-keepers aren't really involved in the whole healthcare thing.
 
2012-06-25 04:16:32 PM

Turbo Cojones: penthesilea:

Dude. What the hell is going on in that family that would cause the stepson to tattle on the old man's gold stash? It's not like it was going to be given to him. It'd just go straight into the bankruptcy black hole.

That would be the same step-son who watched his Mom die from cancer because the old man refused to break out any of his gold/silver hoard to pay for treatment? Is that the one you mean?


Point taken.
I guess I just assumed Mrs. Gold Hoarder was in agreement with and party to the decisions made by Mr. Gold Hoarder.
 
2012-06-25 04:21:50 PM

qorkfiend: Let me paraphrase: "Fark you, I've got mine."


Opposed to: "Fark you, I got yours."

Doesnt sound any better.
 
2012-06-25 04:27:14 PM

apoptotic: jjorsett: I wonder what he did to make the stepson hate him enough to rat him out about the gold and silver. And the "friend" who he gave it to and who then stands up in court and says, "I've got it". Sounds to me like this guy wasn't too likable to those around him.

FTA: "He and Lorna both intended to be buried on the property, Bodeker adds, and that the property would initially be passed down to his daughter"

My theory is that either the stepson thought that turning over the gold would stop the seizure of the house, or he decided that if he wasn't getting the house, the daughter wouldn't get it either.

Regardless of the hidden gold and whether or not Bodeker understood what signing the homestead exemption waiver meant, it strikes me as pretty cold of the judge to refuse a continuance (and instead deny the bankruptcy filing) while Bodeker was in the hospital.


Yeah, there's plenty of blame to go around here.

1. A cranky old man whose wife is dead who didn't quite get that hidden gold is still an asset
2. A pissy stepson who obviously wants to get back at the old man for something; or because he wanted the property and thought he'd get it if the old man was evicted
3. A bankruptcy trustee who apparently thinks obeying the law means not asking the old man what's going on first before filing the paperwork
4. A judge who apparently believes the law would not let someone file a continuance for a pro se defendant who was too sick to do it himself
5. A bunch of douchebags who are trying to push the issue by spreading fraudulent stories about the old man being forced to dig up his wife's body.

The whole bunch of them should be locked in the house and forced to fight each other to the death.
 
2012-06-25 04:40:56 PM

DrippinBalls: I say bankruptcy is both beautiful and will soon be the norm. I love reading about the tens of thousands of new bankruptcies and truthfully, I hope for more of them. If you are against bankruptcy, you HATE Amerika.


I didn't know Mitt Romney had a Fark account.
 
2012-06-25 04:55:19 PM
had 66K in gold---could afford medical bills. THE END.
 
2012-06-25 05:19:08 PM

DrippinBalls: I say bankruptcy is both beautiful and will soon be the norm. I love reading about the tens of thousands of new bankruptcies and truthfully, I hope for more of them. If you are against bankruptcy, you HATE Amerika.


Troll? or douchebag? You decide.
 
2012-06-25 08:21:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: 5. A bunch of douchebags who are trying to push the issue by spreading fraudulent stories about the old man being forced to dig up his wife's body.


I wonder if this is the result of a game of telephone - old guy misinterprets something, complains to somebody else that he'd have to dig his wife up(being unwilling to leave her vs being told to do it) who upchannels a slightly worse varient, which reaches the news as 'forced to dig up...'
 
2012-06-25 08:37:49 PM
Now go home and get your farkin' pine box.
 
2012-06-25 09:10:02 PM
The step son sounds like a douchebag to me, i have to wonder what motive he had in spilling the beans on the gold and silver.

I really have to wonder if he asked his step grandfather for some to buy something or settle a debt and was told no , and this was his way of getting revenge.
 
2012-06-25 09:14:15 PM

Firethorn: Gyrfalcon: 5. A bunch of douchebags who are trying to push the issue by spreading fraudulent stories about the old man being forced to dig up his wife's body.

I wonder if this is the result of a game of telephone - old guy misinterprets something, complains to somebody else that he'd have to dig his wife up(being unwilling to leave her vs being told to do it) who upchannels a slightly worse varient, which reaches the news as 'forced to dig up...'


Maybe...except the Identity Nation or whoever he belongs to ran with "being forced to dig her up" AFTER it became clear that wasn't true.
 
2012-06-25 10:42:39 PM

Firethorn: pudding7: He's saving the gold for his retirement? Dude, you're 90 years old and losing your house because you can't pay your bills. Now is the time to break out the gold!

I'm willing to bet that the gold was broke out years ago, probably for something stupid, possibly for his wife's medical(smart) and non-medical care(herbal treatment-stupid;hiring a maid to help out, probably necessary). The argument that he has is that some time ago he sold a bar of silver, supposedly for a lawyer; another for presents at some point.

Another thing would be that he's 89 years old - he may no longer be mentally competent. Saving gold for retirement is stupid, but believable. Having an 89 year old attempt to keep ahold of it 'for retirement' is indication to me of something like Alzheimer's. They went looking for the gold and didn't find it.

I figure that the stepson has an axe to grind and is sending the trustee after fool's gold; Ren probably either used or lost the gold/silver years ago; while he can remember getting the gold, he can't remember disposing of it anymore. Alzheimer's tends to eliminate the newest memories first - so he'd remember storing the gold, but not disposing of it.

On the promise thing - this is a guy who said he was so sick of 'War' after WWII that he changed his name from 'Warren' to just 'Ren'. Possibly shell shock, but he seemed to have a decently good life afterwards. Still, it indicates that the war had a deep enough impact on his life to make permanent changes; despite his sickness of it, he was unable to let it go.


They found the gold; he'd given it to another guy to hide it for him. It was appraised for $66,000. All right there in TFA.
 
2012-06-25 11:11:39 PM
Wasn't there an article not long ago about a women who couldn't afford to pay for their babies deliveries and the hospital refusing to allow them to take their babies home?
 
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