farkeruk: And what sex would you put into a video game?

Arcanum.

You can do multiple quests for a brothel, including turning tricks.

One quest humorously involves an orgiastic hippie cult. Friendly bunch, actually. They just wanted to celebrate their religion by making a big pile of naked and farking each other.

In a complete flavor change from the above two, another quest involves delving into a conspiracy concerning the origins of half-ogre slaves. It should not take a lecture about birds and bees to figure out that half-ogres don't come from pelicans. Not any action per se, but at one point you read a lab journal that should chill you to the bone.

The sex actually was anything but explicit (fade to black and you wake up on the floor), and in every case optional. However, it was done well enough that (if the game had the resources to make it worthwhile) showing the action may very well have added to the experience, not cheapen it.

Sex isn't always gratuitous or creepy. We're only familiar with sex as gratuitous or creepy in video games only because that's the only way it's served. Arcanum made me feel like not only can it be done, but they only scratched the surface of how to do it right.

Saiga410: Because DDR style game mechanics are hard to do one handed?

Pshaw. Newgrounds has trained me well.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: meat0918: Money, and they can make a hell of a lot more selling Teen rated games than Mature or Adults Only. Same reason studios want PG-13 over R movies.

That seems reasonable, except that there's a lot of triple-A titles that are rated M. I don't see a lot of stampeding to get a T rating.

It makes sense if you think about it. The reason that PG-13 is the holy grail in Hollywood is because they want to get entire families to go see their movies and there's a gatekeeper at the ticket window to keep kids out without parents.

When it comes to buying titles for home there aren't nearly as many obstacles to selling an M title, especially since the only gatekeeper is at the point of purchase, where, unlike a movie, you don't have to bring your kids to the counter to buy the product. If a dad wants to buy God of War for his own pleasure, he can do it quite easily, and it's entirely up to him whether or not he wants to let his kids play it, too.

I posted, and realized the big hitters are M games, M for all the violence, not the sex content though.

Why is it we have a big problem with breasts, but have no problem with entrails and knocking someone out of their skin?

And lord help us if we have full frontal female nudity. If there is full frontal male nudity? Well, it's the end of the world as we know it! Cats and dogs living together! MASS HYSTERIA!

Cythraul: Okay, I think a lot of people in here are a bit confused by how 'sex scenes' are usually done in video games. Many are describing the sex sense in video games as 'porn.' When I think of porn, I think of content actively showing sex organs being stimulated (penis, vagina).

However, I do not think of 'porn' as two video game models with their underwear still on doing a quick grind and kiss session before the game fades to black preventing you from seeing the real dirty deeds to follow.

I think there's a bit of a difference there.

I didn't read the whole article, though. So maybe the author really is calling for more X rated pornographic farking in video games.

I think you're missing the point. The issue was that sex is rarely done in video games, period*. If video games are telling a story (which more and more are doing), then why don't those stories include intimacy? Is Nathan Drake asexual, for example?

As noted above, as video game developers mature and figure out to tell an interactive story better, there will be more sex in games.

*other than sex games, but they're a lot more explicit than grinding in underwear

wingnut396: Don't the console manufacturers have final say in what titles can be published for their machine? I'm sure Sony's would not want the reputation for being the pron console, so they don't allow devs to make pron games for the PS3.

It didn't stop them from putting major nudity/off screen sex mini-games in the PSP God of War games, tho. I'm always surprised that the MSM and/or puritans never get up in arms about GoW.

MightyPez: keepitcherry: MightyPez: Heavy Rain had an interactive sex scene and it felt totally out of place for the medium. It just comes of as strange and pandering when it's thrown in, even if it tries to do it tastefully.

Haha man I forgot about that scene in that game. That was the weirdest/funniest segment in any game that I've ever played.

What made it worse for me is my best friend would watch me play it because we were both so engaged with the story. After a few minutes I shouted out, "For the record this is pretty uncomfortable and I don't think there is a way to skip it. I have to keep fondling her until it's done!"

Seriously the funniest thing I've read in a week. Can't stop laughing.

dragonchild: farkeruk: And what sex would you put into a video game?

Arcanum.

You can do multiple quests for a brothel, including turning tricks.

One quest humorously involves an orgiastic hippie cult. Friendly bunch, actually. They just wanted to celebrate their religion by making a big pile of naked and farking each other.

In a complete flavor change from the above two, another quest involves delving into a conspiracy concerning the origins of half-ogre slaves. It should not take a lecture about birds and bees to figure out that half-ogres don't come from pelicans. Not any action per se, but at one point you read a lab journal that should chill you to the bone.

The sex actually was anything but explicit (fade to black and you wake up on the floor), and in every case optional. However, it was done well enough that (if the game had the resources to make it worthwhile) showing the action may very well have added to the experience, not cheapen it.

Sex isn't always gratuitous or creepy. We're only familiar with sex as gratuitous or creepy in video games only because that's the only way it's served. Arcanum made me feel like not only can it be done, but they only scratched the surface of how to do it right.

Arcanum and Fallout 2 did the sex in video games well.

Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines did it pretty well too. The only sex is the opening scene, and it's the whole reason for your transformation.

The Malkavian crazy lady and the Toreador sex kitten insinuated quite a bit too.

The uncensored version of the Witcher was fun. Problem was I had to stop playing every time I got a card. For a few minutes. And then I could keep playing again.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Once the graphics get this good:

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Then and maybe then I'll be interested. But right now, the girl on the games dont do it for me.

fawlty: wingnut396: Don't the console manufacturers have final say in what titles can be published for their machine? I'm sure Sony's would not want the reputation for being the pron console, so they don't allow devs to make pron games for the PS3.

It didn't stop them from putting major nudity/off screen sex mini-games in the PSP God of War games, tho. I'm always surprised that the MSM and/or puritans never get up in arms about GoW.

Probably because if you're going to complain a bout God of War, the "punching faces into hamburger" outweighs "sexy sounds off screen".

/I've never complained a bout GoW.

meat0918: Why is it we have a big problem with breasts, but have no problem with entrails and knocking someone out of their skin?

Intimacy. In the video game world, the behavior inhibitors of pain and embarrassment get screwed up because pain drops to zero. In that context, killing someone in public is much easier than falling in love. Having seen it done well (Arcanum, Mass Effect et. al.) I do think it's perfectly acceptable to express sexuality in a one-player game intended to be played privately. But at least as far as Western developers are concerned, the big money's in on-line gaming. If you're gutted in a video game in public, you feel no pain. If you gut someone, you feel no remorse. But if you're stripped naked and farked doggie-style, even with the cloak of anonymity people would feel real shame and a lot of witnesses would feel awkward. Oops.

The other side of it is that properly weaving exposition and context into a sexual situation requires writing skills and most video game developers are crappy writers. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but even most games that DO have writing are on the level of pulp. Let's face it; most fans wouldn't have it any other way. That does, however, explain why games tend to shy away from anything more complex than "humans rock, monsters suck". It doesn't take writing talent to make an enjoyable shoot-'em-up, which is why I believe most developers take the easy way out and only portray sex in campy ways, like beating up the hooker in GTA. Scripting actual mature sex requires, well, maturity, which is something either video game writers lack or they believe their fans lack. And if it's the latter, as far as I know they're right.

I think you're wrong about one thing, though -- it's not the actual skin the prudes are concerned with. In what I daresay is by far the creepiest aspect of sex in video games, the prudes are far more threatened by physical intimacy than nudity. Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 featured girls in "bathing suits" that left damn near nothing to the imagination (except for how the fark they stayed on) frolicking like skanks during Spring Break. This wasn't exactly a secret; the fanservice was the marketing and the product. And while I can pick on that one, there are countless games packed to the gills with fanservice (some right on the cover -- X-Blades, anyone?) that draw hardly more than a look of annoyance. Mass Effect showed a little sideboob in a love scene between two consenting adults as a culmination of a relationship pursued over dozens of hours of character development in an otherwise un-sexy sci-fi RPG. Guess which one drew the ire of the derp brigade.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: meat0918:I can see a case being made that this is part of our weird sexual taboos but, honestly, I'm not really sure I ever want to see Mario plunging the Princesses pasta, if you know what I mean.


No, what do you mean?

meat0918: dragonchild: farkeruk: And what sex would you put into a video game?

Arcanum.

You can do multiple quests for a brothel, including turning tricks.

One quest humorously involves an orgiastic hippie cult. Friendly bunch, actually. They just wanted to celebrate their religion by making a big pile of naked and farking each other.

In a complete flavor change from the above two, another quest involves delving into a conspiracy concerning the origins of half-ogre slaves. It should not take a lecture about birds and bees to figure out that half-ogres don't come from pelicans. Not any action per se, but at one point you read a lab journal that should chill you to the bone.

The sex actually was anything but explicit (fade to black and you wake up on the floor), and in every case optional. However, it was done well enough that (if the game had the resources to make it worthwhile) showing the action may very well have added to the experience, not cheapen it.

Sex isn't always gratuitous or creepy. We're only familiar with sex as gratuitous or creepy in video games only because that's the only way it's served. Arcanum made me feel like not only can it be done, but they only scratched the surface of how to do it right.

Arcanum and Fallout 2 did the sex in video games well.

Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines did it pretty well too. The only sex is the opening scene, and it's the whole reason for your transformation.

The Malkavian crazy lady and the Toreador sex kitten insinuated quite a bit too.

also FTM Bloodlines for the win.

Being a beautiful monster with the Toreador was 1 step below sparkly vampire, even when it came down to your adoring wide eyed girl who follows you around.

Who was pretty much there to lure men into your apartment for you to feed off of, or for you to fark as you saw fit (Toreador for the win). You even got the best armor in the game if you treated her right.

Provided you were not all creepy vampire "YOU ARE A GHOUL NOW, DEAL WITH IT."

Catch and release is the best method.


//Oh, the fun we shall have my dear.

They call her Tipper, Tipper; viewpoints are frightening.
No one you see, is more prudish than she...except Hilary.

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The only issues that anyone's really had with consensual sex on the level of national media biatching was ME 1 and the Hot Coffee thing, and the latter was just because they hadn't fulfilled their quota of biatching about GTA that month. Since then there's been Dragon Age, DA2, God of War (various), several Fallout games, The Old Republic MMO, and of course a calvacade of actual porn titles that feature sex as a major plot element, sometimes moderately explicit sex. And not a single fark was given by the media or anyone else.

It's not usually interactive, just used as a plot element/cutscence, but frankly that's probably because there isn't really any particularly good way to make it interactive mechanically.

I think the complaints about Tomb Raider are more about it being kind of annoying to give a formerly fairly entertaining action-girl type heroine the standard generic, stupid rape trauma storyline. It's a retarded place to go with a character that typically laughs in the face of death and then kicks it in the balls (then jumps in completely in the wrong direction from the ledge and plummets to her death because fark this retarded control scheme.)

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Was looking for an image of Frank with his theory about how realistic characters/sex can be in games before it gets creepy. Yours covers it, though. +1 internets for you, sir.

I've seen a fair few attempts, and all of them failures.

Because honestly, till now it always looked a bit goofy. A lot of games try to look real, and honestly, it's a sort of uncanny valley thing when they try to make nudity look good.

Ero-games have had it for some time, in the form of stylized artwork, but that's really about it so far as actual sex goes. In terms of nudity, games like GoW, Witcher, heavy rain, and a few others have had it with some success.

Honestly, I just don't think most game developers don't really know how to use it for dramatic effect, and so they don't use it.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: meat0918: Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines did it pretty well too. The only sex is the opening scene, and it's the whole reason for your transformation.

The Malkavian crazy lady and the Toreador sex kitten insinuated quite a bit too.

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Her?

I've roleplayed Vampire from the very beginning but stopped a long time ago. Most my gaming buddies moved away after college and I dont have anyone to game with. Thought about picking up this game just for the nostalgia.

I played it a bit in college. Always loved the Gangrel. I still remember his weapon of choice, sawed off shotgun loaded with specially made phosphorous rounds.

*cough* Japan...*cough*

meat0918: Some 'Splainin' To Do: meat0918: Money, and they can make a hell of a lot more selling Teen rated games than Mature or Adults Only. Same reason studios want PG-13 over R movies.

That seems reasonable, except that there's a lot of triple-A titles that are rated M. I don't see a lot of stampeding to get a T rating.

It makes sense if you think about it. The reason that PG-13 is the holy grail in Hollywood is because they want to get entire families to go see their movies and there's a gatekeeper at the ticket window to keep kids out without parents.

When it comes to buying titles for home there aren't nearly as many obstacles to selling an M title, especially since the only gatekeeper is at the point of purchase, where, unlike a movie, you don't have to bring your kids to the counter to buy the product. If a dad wants to buy God of War for his own pleasure, he can do it quite easily, and it's entirely up to him whether or not he wants to let his kids play it, too.

I posted, and realized the big hitters are M games, M for all the violence, not the sex content though.

Why is it we have a big problem with breasts, but have no problem with entrails and knocking someone out of their skin?

And lord help us if we have full frontal female nudity. If there is full frontal male nudity? Well, it's the end of the world as we know it! Cats and dogs living together! MASS HYSTERIA!

I'm good with some full frontal female nudity.

The censors can keep the schlongs, though.

/I keed
//but not really

Codenamechaz: Well that and polygonal breasts would look terrible.



You'll put your eye out...
/Hot like the Fire Temple

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Once the graphics get this good:

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Then and maybe then I'll be interested. But right now, the girl on the games dont do it for me.

Needs to be better than that. I mean, that's some great texturing, but the flesh tones are all wonky; they've got this weird orange cast.

verbal_jizm: Because sex in video games is creepy.

Yup.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Haven't you seen/heard/read all the aversion to booth babes from gamers as of late, subby?

The modern crop of gamers fancy themselves enlightened and above all those sorts of crude human displays.

/even though they're actually just afraid of their of sexuality

Or, perhaps, just not enslaved to it. If you're not looking through boner-tinted glasses, booth babe displays come off as nonsensical at best, usually really tasteless, and sometimes just plain creepy. The only reason to use them is to market to people who can't handle them.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm not really sure I ever want to see Mario plunging the Princesses pasta, if you know what I mean.

I'd probably make an exception for Mario. Middle age, blue mushrooms and cuckholding with Bowser. Intuitive controls. Easy to learn sort of difficult to master. Fun at parties. I'd buy it.

homarjr: Video games are much more about violence than they are about sex, in general.

Killing someone is a an easy way to determine whether you win. You kill, you win. You don't, you lose. Simple as that.

What would be the end game for a sex-based game? Getting video-laid? I feel like getting turned down by a video game girl would be a new low for many gamers out there.....



/hot

Fallout New Vegas gets this one right. The sex scenes are just fade to black (mainly because I think you can't have nudity on any of the consoles), but you can choose to be a male or female character and then choose perks that let you seduce either male or female characters (you can have both perks at the same time). There are also male and female prostitutes (duh, it's Vegas) which any character can bed (if you have the perks they tend to give you discounts or free). The "seduction" perks will also sometimes make certain NPCs give you other things. (Plus there's a bonus damage against the sex the perk applies to in combat.)

I miss dithered, early 90's graphics.

It makes me think of a time when women had thick, full, unshaven bush. Playing games from that era make me feel like I'm back in those days where any woman's pantsu I could pull down, I could stick my face into a wonderful, thick, fragrant dark forest.

I don't see the point to fully realised sex in video games, unless you're playing Prince of Whips: Dungeon Master, it's useless. Context is important. Same with movies or European deodorant commercials, boobs are appreciated but not necessary and I wouldn't cry foul if they we're removed or omitted in the first place.

Basic Instinct is a good example where nudity was called for in my opinion. I can't really think of one Video game that it was used appropriately but then again, I don't play much video games anymore.

Leisure suit Larry didn't have any nudity in it unless you used cheats. That's what I remember anyway. Those games were full of good humor. I remember having to call up my uncle for the answers to those questions that let you in the game. He bought it for me, good ol uncle Pete.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What I want to know is why I can watch a man cut off his own nipples or get literally shot to pieces in the middle of the day on cable but a woman taking a shower or changing clothes causes a sh*tstorm of controversy.

This country is fncked up.

As far as video games go...

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ProfessorOhki: Needs to be better than that. I mean, that's some great texturing, but the flesh tones are all wonky; they've got this weird orange cast.

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Yeah, she is down right fugly....

/rather have the brunette

Seriously. See how every photo cuts off right before the knees?

/You know, on account of the pointiness

Celerian: The assertation is that gamers are smart enough to know when their being baited with sex instead of a good game, and the ones who can "handle it" (the ones who are more interested in the game than the pair of tits shilling for the game) see right through this trick.

Just like a serious moviegoer doesn't waste their time with oversexed movies and the flicks with attractive actresses in skimpy clothing are generally box office disasters? I don't disagree, but I can't help but feel like you might be giving the gaming community a tiny bit more credit than deserved.

Space Channel 5 was a great sex game. Ever since the Dreamcast days, I can't have sex without rhythmically chanting the litany.

/ up up, up right down
// chu chu chu

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: /if you're above being baited, the booth babes are irrelevant to you

The thing is, they're not, because they attract the sorts of people I don't want to play with: the ones ruin it for everyone else by driving away the interesting people.

//but since the hatred of them is palpable in some quarters, i can only assume it's either actual misogyny ("what are these sluts doing at *our* event") or white-knighting ("if I object loudly to these women being paid to be models, I can get women who also dislike them to like me!"
///het men like boobs near them any time, it's nature

The prosecution rests, fratcore.

Just remember, that "hot female" character your character is banging is really a 300 lb fat guy that lives in his mom's basement.

Because losers like my brother get their asses beat every time and then say "good game, good game," repeatedly into his Dreamcast headset to let other gamers know he's a whiny crying b*tch who likes having his own ass handed to him.

/he hides from me because he knows he will get his ass beat when I find him
//petty f*cking thief, steal from your own brother
///grown male adult hiding behind his mommy from his younger brother -- what. a. b*tch.
//because they can't get laid -- like my brother