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(Politico)   Reactionary Poutrage of the Day: President Obama calls the new President of Egypt and his opponent to congratulate them and urge them to work for national unity. No, really   (politico.com) divider line 92
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2012-06-25 09:21:52 AM
Meh. No matter how big a douchebag the guy is, the President pretty much has to acknowledge his win. Non-story.
 
2012-06-25 09:32:16 AM
So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.
 
2012-06-25 09:33:10 AM
WTF is this guys problem? Doesn't he know his place?
 
2012-06-25 09:34:34 AM

edmo: So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.


Only if they choose a Christian President, otherwise we must invade them and install a Christian government.
 
2012-06-25 09:38:01 AM
Yeah, probably easier to just let us know when the unhinged wingnuts that make up the GOP don't get outraged about something the President did...

Those clowns have been in a perpetual stage of "outrage" since January 2009.
 
2012-06-25 09:38:38 AM
He might have been a little premature in that call.
 
2012-06-25 09:42:20 AM
Isn't that something that most presidents do as a courtesy?
 
2012-06-25 09:42:23 AM
Right here on this site I learned that the military should boot out the democratically elected president in order to preserve democracy.
 
2012-06-25 09:43:51 AM

Craptastic: Isn't that something that most presidents do as a courtesy?


Yeah. It's stuff like this, President Obama doing normal stuff that he should do, and getting crap for doing it, that led to the 'WE GET IT, HE'S BLACK' meme.
 
2012-06-25 09:45:51 AM

ongbok: edmo: So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.

Only if they choose a Christian President, otherwise we must invade them and install a Christian government.


except in the palestinian territories, when hamas took power under free elections. those were held during the bush administration, so they're ok and proof that democracy is sometimes a "messy thing."
 
2012-06-25 09:47:01 AM
Well yeah, things like "governing" and "diplomacy" are concepts the GOP doesn't understand, much less practice.
 
2012-06-25 09:47:06 AM
Comments are golden.

"Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls."

Amenehemet + Jihad (sounds like) Amenehijad?

Its an IRANIAN CONSPIRACY!!

//Damn You, Mahmoud!
 
2012-06-25 09:47:07 AM
Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.
 
2012-06-25 09:47:34 AM
Wait a minute - weren't we trying to spread democracy and elections to the Middle East?
 
2012-06-25 09:49:46 AM

VoodooTaco: "Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls.


what is this i don't even?
 
2012-06-25 09:49:57 AM
'"to advance the many shared interests between Egypt and the United States".

What shared interests does the US have with the Muslim Brotherhood.. the destruction of America?'

'How do you say "Ubetcha!" in Kenyan??'

'Ooogaubetchabooga?'


I weep for the future present.
 
2012-06-25 09:50:57 AM

Dwight_Yeast: VoodooTaco: "Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls.

what is this i don't even?


"Is this" sounds an awful lot like "Isis", heathen.
 
2012-06-25 09:51:27 AM
He should have maybe asked them to start a civil war by texting instead?
 
2012-06-25 09:51:36 AM

Giltric: Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.


You're predicting a Democratic house and a filibuster proof Dem Senate? That's pretty bold... I'm not sure that's going to happen.
 
2012-06-25 09:52:57 AM

qorkfiend: Dwight_Yeast: VoodooTaco: "Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls.

what is this i don't even?

"Is this" sounds an awful lot like "Isis", heathen.


I award you +2 internets.
 
2012-06-25 09:55:17 AM

FlashHarry: ongbok: edmo: So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.

Only if they choose a Christian President, otherwise we must invade them and install a Christian government.

except in the palestinian territories, when hamas took power under free elections. those were held during the bush administration, so they're ok and proof that democracy is sometimes a "messy thing."


I remember conservatives getting in a tizzy over that too, but at the same time, since bush had pushed for elections, they got bored of being outraged real quick
 
2012-06-25 09:56:33 AM
Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.
 
2012-06-25 09:57:15 AM
The phone call was a mere warm up to Nobongo HUSSEIN Schmobama seeing him and giving him real congrats at the next RADICAL MUSLIN LEADERS meeting.
 
2012-06-25 09:57:50 AM

oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.


He's expecting them to act like adults. It's not his fault if they don't
 
2012-06-25 09:58:21 AM
Democracy is a biatch, ain't it?
 
2012-06-25 09:59:16 AM

oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.


Uh, why not?

Egypt has been a fairly secular country for years. It has a small but powerful Christian minority. Women were a major part of the revolution and while some may be willing to become second class citizens now, many have experienced greater power than they've ever had in their lives.
 
2012-06-25 10:01:59 AM
This is how the US says, "Hi. We're watching you guys."
 
2012-06-25 10:02:45 AM

there4igraham: This is how the US says, "Hi. We're watching you guys."


I think everyone is aware of that and has been for years. Decades, really.
 
2012-06-25 10:06:28 AM

vgacolor: Democracy is a biatch, ain't it?


Democracy only works when the guy I want to win wins.
 
2012-06-25 10:06:28 AM
Egyptians elect Islamists, Americans elect teabaggers. Democracy.
 
2012-06-25 10:06:45 AM

VoodooTaco: Comments are golden.

"Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls."

Amenehemet + Jihad (sounds like) Amenehijad?

Its an IRANIAN CONSPIRACY!!

//Damn You, Mahmoud!




You know who else was a reactionary named Amon?
 
2012-06-25 10:07:09 AM

Giltric: Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.


Except here we don't call it the Christian Brotherhood, we just call it the Republican party.
 
2012-06-25 10:08:20 AM

BillCo: Meh. No matter how big a douchebag the guy is, the President pretty much has to acknowledge his win. Non-story.


I couldn't believe when the Best Supporting Actress winner thanked the other nominees during her Oscar speech either.
 
2012-06-25 10:09:04 AM

ghare: Egyptians elect Islamists, Americans elect teabaggers. Democracy.


It's the cirrrrcccccle of life!
 
2012-06-25 10:10:41 AM
These are the types of things that make idiots who live in fear of a New World Order prattle on about things that involve starting a New World Order. But based on their weird idea of Americanism so it isn't a bad new world order.
 
2012-06-25 10:11:51 AM
Is this an actual poutrage incident, or is it confined to comment sections?
 
2012-06-25 10:13:00 AM

Dwight_Yeast: oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.

Uh, why not?

Egypt has been a fairly secular country for years. It has a small but powerful Christian minority. Women were a major part of the revolution and while some may be willing to become second class citizens now, many have experienced greater power than they've ever had in their lives.


Hey look man, we're trying to have an honest and open debate here about exactly how terrified we should be of the creeping islamic threat in....the islamic world. Don't go confusing us with your historical accuracy and nuanced perspective.

/lives in cairo
//not particularly getting a kick out of idiotic, uninformed replies. It must be tiring for some people to stay so frightened.
 
2012-06-25 10:14:39 AM
A vote for Nut is a vote for sky titties.

www.civilization.ca
 
2012-06-25 10:14:51 AM

modesto: Dwight_Yeast: oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.

Uh, why not?

Egypt has been a fairly secular country for years. It has a small but powerful Christian minority. Women were a major part of the revolution and while some may be willing to become second class citizens now, many have experienced greater power than they've ever had in their lives.

Hey look man, we're trying to have an honest and open debate here about exactly how terrified we should be of the creeping islamic threat in....the islamic world. Don't go confusing us with your historical accuracy and nuanced perspective.

/lives in cairo
//not particularly getting a kick out of idiotic, uninformed replies. It must be tiring for some people to stay so frightened.


What's the general feeling inside Egypt? Will the military succeed in making the president a figurehead? If they do, what might the public reaction be? Is the new President expected to be a strong advocate for civilian (not necessarily secular) government?
 
2012-06-25 10:15:36 AM

BillCo: Meh. No matter how big a douchebag the guy is, the President pretty much has to acknowledge his win. Non-story.


When this is what BillCo is reduced to posting, you know it is just beyond ridiculous.
 
2012-06-25 10:16:01 AM
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-25 10:19:41 AM
By the way the Islamic Brotherhood isn't exactly the Taliban 2 Electric Boogaloo, or even remotely close.
 
2012-06-25 10:19:41 AM

macadamnut: [i512.photobucket.com image 640x331]


The cost of shipping that from the UK would be quite the biatch though.
 
2012-06-25 10:21:05 AM
Didn't we go through this same shiat with Turkey when the Musilm party won there too?

It's been a few years and it still hasn't turned into Saudi Arabia yet.
 
2012-06-25 10:21:44 AM
Wow, so many people in the comments of that article seem to hate democracy.

Sometimes people get voted in you don't like or who are bad for the country. In order to participate in a democracy you need to get over it.

/they think a puppet dictatorship that shares their views will save them from the scary brown people.
//you can't keep doing what fails.
 
2012-06-25 10:21:53 AM

qorkfiend: What's the general feeling inside Egypt? Will the military succeed in making the president a figurehead? If they do, what might the public reaction be?


I'm guessing that if the people don't like the way the government goes, we're going to see more of the same. They've realized that they have enormous power through demonstrations and other direct public action.

/we could learn a lesson or two in this country.
 
2012-06-25 10:23:24 AM

Dwight_Yeast: qorkfiend: What's the general feeling inside Egypt? Will the military succeed in making the president a figurehead? If they do, what might the public reaction be?

I'm guessing that if the people don't like the way the government goes, we're going to see more of the same. They've realized that they have enormous power through demonstrations and other direct public action.

/we could learn a lesson or two in this country.


Didn't the military essential suck the power out of the president before announcing that the MB guy won? I thought I heard that on TV last night.

So he's basically like Queen Elizabeth II except Muslim right?
 
2012-06-25 10:25:24 AM

Alphax: Craptastic: Isn't that something that most presidents do as a courtesy?

Yeah. It's stuff like this, President Obama doing normal stuff that he should do, and getting crap for doing it, that led to the 'WE GET IT, HE'S BLACK' meme.


That, and the whole 'Is he REALLY from this country?'
 
2012-06-25 10:25:31 AM
Was listening to an interview with the Islamic Brotherhood guy. He was asked if he was going to turn Egypt into an Islamist state. His reply was along the lines of "Can't really do that. Egypt is kind of set in its ways".

Terrible paraphrasing. It's early and I'm coming down with a cold.
 
2012-06-25 10:27:06 AM

Mrtraveler01: Didn't we go through this same shiat with Turkey when the Musilm party won there too?

It's been a few years and it still hasn't turned into Saudi Arabia yet.


One of the reasons is if you have an actual democracy you will be voted out if you do stupid shiat... it usually works to keep the crazies from taking over.

/For example: if RON PAUL is elected, he will keep the Social Security checks rolling, believe it.
//the next generation will probably be screwed though.
 
2012-06-25 10:27:49 AM
Well, knock me over with a feather. I totally didn't see that coming.

/sarcasm
 
2012-06-25 10:28:15 AM

WhyteRaven74: By the way the Islamic Brotherhood isn't exactly the Taliban 2 Electric Boogaloo, or even remotely close.


Enough Americans equate Islam/Muslim with Al Quaeda/Taliban due to Bush's propaganda for explaining that to even be worth anyone's time.
 
2012-06-25 10:28:35 AM
qorkfiend
"Is this" sounds an awful lot like "Isis", heathen.

Another way of writing heathen is heathers, since consonants are interchangable in conspriacy theories.

And Heathers starred Christian Slater.

Christian Slater appeared in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country which had a plot revolving around the assasination of a foreign leader.

People, its right there in front of your eyes. Obama is preparing to assasinate Hu Jintao. Or possibly JJ Abrams.

Def. one of those.
 
2012-06-25 10:30:09 AM
That's some special outrage in the comments.
 
2012-06-25 10:33:49 AM

Epoch_Zero: Enough Americans equate Islam/Muslim with Al Quaeda/Taliban due to Bush's propaganda for explaining that to even be worth anyone's time.


The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. - George W Bush
 
2012-06-25 10:37:01 AM

thurstonxhowell: Epoch_Zero: Enough Americans equate Islam/Muslim with Al Quaeda/Taliban due to Bush's propaganda for explaining that to even be worth anyone's time.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. - George W Bush


Yeah, George W. Bush was always very careful to draw a clear distinction between Islam and Islamic terrorists (no, really).

The rest of the GOP, though...
 
2012-06-25 10:38:00 AM

Giltric: Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.


Romney's in the Muslim Brotherhood?
 
2012-06-25 10:38:03 AM

qorkfiend: modesto: Dwight_Yeast: oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.

Uh, why not?

Egypt has been a fairly secular country for years. It has a small but powerful Christian minority. Women were a major part of the revolution and while some may be willing to become second class citizens now, many have experienced greater power than they've ever had in their lives.

Hey look man, we're trying to have an honest and open debate here about exactly how terrified we should be of the creeping islamic threat in....the islamic world. Don't go confusing us with your historical accuracy and nuanced perspective.

/lives in cairo
//not particularly getting a kick out of idiotic, uninformed replies. It must be tiring for some people to stay so frightened.

What's the general feeling inside Egypt? Will the military succeed in making the president a figurehead? If they do, what might the public reaction be? Is the new President expected to be a strong advocate for civilian (not necessarily secular) government?


It is really hard to say, and after having been here a while I think that most wise people agree that to predict is folly. Within the immediate context of the elections, you have to remember that there is no constitution to outline the presidential powers apart from what the military has recently decreed, which makes him severely limited (no control of ANYTHING relating to the military, military retains final budget oversight and power to appoint the constitutional drafting body). There is even some talk that when a new constitution is written, supposedly by September, we will have to elect a new president. We'll see.

So look, there is a large majority of Egyptians (remember, only about 12 million in a country of 80) voted for Morsi) who do not like this. Some will tell you that things were better under Mubarak because of stability and security. The revolutionaries, meanwhile, feel totally left out in the cold because after last January they failed at mobilizing support and translating their momentum into real political gain. The Brotherhood was the only established entity that could possibly take on the old powers. People know them from their village, their schools, their hospitals. What will they do in power after 80 years as a banned organization? Nobody knows and anyone who asserts otherwise is full of ish.
Personally they strike me as more of an economic populist party than anything, but that could just be posturing. Again....we'll see.

This is going to be a long story that nobody will be able to make sense of for another....10? years at least. Will the people continue to accept the military as ultimate authority as they are now? Dunno. Probably not, but I don't think it is going to go down like Libya/Syria. It will be more incremental and murkier. I mean look at Turkey....most people consider them pretty stable and liberal but they've got an Islamist president and a basically untouchable cadre of generals too. Of course so does Pakistan. Takes all kinds, they say.

I do know that yesterday this whole city was freaking out and stocking up in anticipation of a Shafik win and violence, but instead we had an all-night party that saw the first signs of unity between islamists and liberals against the military. Also, Morsi is the first civilian president in the history of the republic, so that's something.
 
2012-06-25 10:39:31 AM
When Hamas won the Palestinian legislative election in 2006, it wasn't greeted so warmly. So, no, we don't always support democracy, contrary to the rhetoric and things you'll be hearing in 9 days from now.
 
2012-06-25 10:39:55 AM

VoodooTaco: Comments are golden.

"Teri Kalafate then theyll probably get first rid of the only tomb closed off the public which is the tomb of abraham OR should i say amenehemet I - (means amun is the head). Amun = amen (vowels were interchangeable in the hebrew language). without realising it people are continuously praising the hidden one. christians muslems and jews have been tricked into praising the god amun ra at the end of every prayer. Cant have that getting out people might find out what was in those dead sea scrolls."

Amenehemet + Jihad (sounds like) Amenehijad?

Its an IRANIAN CONSPIRACY!!

//Damn You, Mahmoud!


I like this one:

As always our lack luster leader will bow to this hate filled country. They openly seek to kill all jews and Osama Bin Biden is all for it. Radical muslims are happy all over the world. Thank God that the Jews can beat any arab/muslim which is proven!

Biden? Really?
 
2012-06-25 10:40:06 AM

thurstonxhowell: Epoch_Zero: Enough Americans equate Islam/Muslim with Al Quaeda/Taliban due to Bush's propaganda for explaining that to even be worth anyone's time.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. - George W Bush


"There's a lot of things that there's misconceptions. Evidently it's a misconceptions that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists." George W Bush, Aboard Air Force One, en route to Australia, Oct. 22, 2003

"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than -- I say more Muslims -- a lot of Muslims have died -- I don't know the exact count -- at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." George W Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 18, 2004


I can do that too.
 
2012-06-25 10:46:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Right here on this site I learned that the military should boot out the democratically elected president in order to preserve democracy.


Worked in Iran.

Oh wait...
 
2012-06-25 10:47:24 AM

modesto: remember, only about 12 million in a country of 80 voted for Morsi


Sorry to nitpick, but don't you mean 40 million? I'm guessing half of those 80 million are under 18.
 
2012-06-25 10:50:41 AM

Mercutio74: Giltric: Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.

You're predicting a Democratic house and a filibuster proof Dem Senate? That's pretty bold... I'm not sure that's going to happen.


No, I think he's saying that the GOP is actually the Muslim Brotherhood in disguise.
 
2012-06-25 10:55:42 AM

Mrtraveler01: Dwight_Yeast: qorkfiend: What's the general feeling inside Egypt? Will the military succeed in making the president a figurehead? If they do, what might the public reaction be?

I'm guessing that if the people don't like the way the government goes, we're going to see more of the same. They've realized that they have enormous power through demonstrations and other direct public action.

/we could learn a lesson or two in this country.

Didn't the military essential suck the power out of the president before announcing that the MB guy won? I thought I heard that on TV last night.

So he's basically like Queen Elizabeth II except Muslim right?


Are you implying that QE2 isn't a muslim? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
2012-06-25 10:56:55 AM
Don't blame me, I voted for Horus.
 
2012-06-25 10:57:17 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Mercutio74: Giltric: Supposedly they voted for the Muslim Borotherhood guy because they were dissatisfied with the other guys performance.


Sort of like whats gonna happen here in November.

You're predicting a Democratic house and a filibuster proof Dem Senate? That's pretty bold... I'm not sure that's going to happen.

No, I think he's saying that the GOP is actually the Muslim Brotherhood in disguise.


Nah, can't be... The Muslim Brotherhood is far less extreme and ideologically pure than the current Republican Party.
 
2012-06-25 10:59:22 AM

macadamnut: modesto: remember, only about 12 million in a country of 80 voted for Morsi

Sorry to nitpick, but don't you mean 40 million? I'm guessing half of those 80 million are under 18.


I didn't say voters, but yeah, you're right, though I think it is closer to 50.
 
2012-06-25 11:06:29 AM

Epoch_Zero: "There's a lot of things that there's misconceptions. Evidently it's a misconceptions that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists." George W Bush, Aboard Air Force One, en route to Australia, Oct. 22, 2003


Hey idiot, that quote doesn't say all Muslims are terrorists, check out the rest of it:

There's a lot of things that there's misconceptions. Evidently it's a misconception that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists. And there was a -- that's probably one of the best things that came out of the meeting, for me, was to have heard that concern, and for me being able to assure people, and remind them about the nature of our society, that -- and that Islam's a peaceful religion.

"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than -- I say more Muslims -- a lot of Muslims have died -- I don't know the exact count -- at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." George W Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 18, 2004


This one I can't find a source on, but he's saying (in his typically stupid fashion) that more Muslims have died at the hands of terrorists than other groups. When he says "killers kill" he is drawing a line between most Muslims and these killers.

Epoch_Zero: I can do that too.


Not well, apparently. Learn how to read and try again.
 
2012-06-25 11:08:49 AM

edmo: So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.


Look it's really very simple. The Israelis are the "Good Guys" in the Middle East, and you know this because they are the lone democracy in the region, shining out like a beacon of freedom from the repressive dictatorships around them. Which is why we have to crush out the nascent democracies flourishing in the countries neighboring Israel, because the popular will of the peoples ther may cause them to adopt policies that are contrary to Israel's best interests.
 
2012-06-25 11:09:56 AM

thurstonxhowell: Epoch_Zero: "There's a lot of things that there's misconceptions. Evidently it's a misconceptions that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists." George W Bush, Aboard Air Force One, en route to Australia, Oct. 22, 2003

Hey idiot, that quote doesn't say all Muslims are terrorists, check out the rest of it:

There's a lot of things that there's misconceptions. Evidently it's a misconception that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists. And there was a -- that's probably one of the best things that came out of the meeting, for me, was to have heard that concern, and for me being able to assure people, and remind them about the nature of our society, that -- and that Islam's a peaceful religion.

"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than -- I say more Muslims -- a lot of Muslims have died -- I don't know the exact count -- at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." George W Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 18, 2004

This one I can't find a source on, but he's saying (in his typically stupid fashion) that more Muslims have died at the hands of terrorists than other groups. When he says "killers kill" he is drawing a line between most Muslims and these killers.

Epoch_Zero: I can do that too.

Not well, apparently. Learn how to read and try again.


I give Bush a ton of credit for realizing what the majority of his mouth-breathing supporters couldn't/wouldn't.
 
2012-06-25 11:13:47 AM
The drama over this is equivalent to English drama over who's going to be the next King after the Queen finally dies.

The Egyptian President will have next to no powers to do 'anything' of importance that would effect any other country. The military retains all relevant control over foreign policy and anything related to the military. They're even in charge of who gets picked to write up their Constitution.

They're moving toward a Turkey-style government of civilian government with military control. And considering the region and their fixation on dictatorships, this is a step in the right direction.
 
2012-06-25 11:14:45 AM

oryx: Jay Carney said he expects Egypt to respect women's and religious minority rights and also expects Egypt to be a pillar of regional peace, security and stability in the Middle East. Wow!!! That is so not going to happen.


Out of curiosity, since you seem so confident in your positions, would you kindly give us a history of the Muslim Brotherhood, and their role in Egyptian Politics? Could you include a thumbnail of who their most recent leaders are and how and why their policy positions differ from their predecessors?

What? You Can't because you were just talking out your ass? gotcha
 
2012-06-25 11:22:53 AM
Keylock71: You know who else was a big advocate of ideological purity?
 
2012-06-25 11:36:36 AM
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What is it with all the freeper bullsh*t here lately? No way this would have been greened a month ago.

THE NEW GUY HAS TO GO.
 
2012-06-25 11:54:31 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What is it with all the freeper bullsh*t here lately? No way this would have been greened a month ago.

THE NEW GUY HAS TO GO.


At least the headline recognizes that this is something to be made fun of.

It's when WND articles are posted with complete sincerity that I get worried.
 
2012-06-25 12:00:35 PM
How dare we recognize sovereign nations' leaders?

HOW DARE YOU SIRRAH? HOW DARE YOU?
 
2012-06-25 12:08:43 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you weapons grade derp. Once again, the US has pulled ahead in a critical arms race, ensuring our supremacy in the coming derp wars against the SOCIALIST COMMUNIST ATHIEST MUSLIM threat.
 
2012-06-25 12:14:21 PM

Hickory-smoked: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What is it with all the freeper bullsh*t here lately? No way this would have been greened a month ago.

THE NEW GUY HAS TO GO.

At least the headline recognizes that this is something to be made fun of.

It's when WND articles are posted with complete sincerity that I get worried.


Pre-emptive derision? Straw headline? Talk about jacking off into your own navel. This, Waters and walmart, I think subby's greening his own turds.
 
2012-06-25 12:17:16 PM

MFAWG: WTF is this guys problem? Doesn't he know his place?


Yeah. Back in the kitchen!

/wait, what?
 
2012-06-25 12:39:06 PM
"We believe that it is important for President-elect Morsi to take steps at this historic time to advance national unity by reaching out to all parties and constituencies in consultations about the formation of a new government. We believe in the importance of the new Egyptian government upholding universal values, and respecting the rights of all Egyptian citizens - including women and religious minorities such as Coptic Christians. Millions of Egyptians voted in the election, and President-elect Morsi and the new Egyptian government have both the legitimacy and responsibility of representing a diverse and courageous citizenry," Carney said.

"The United States intends to work with all parties within Egypt to sustain our long-standing partnership as it consolidates its democracy. We commend the Presidential Election Commission and the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) for their role in supporting a free and fair election, and look forward to the completion of a transition to a democratically-elected government," Carney said. "We believe it is essential for the Egyptian government to continue to fulfill Egypt's role as a pillar of regional peace, security and stability. And we will stand with the Egyptian people as they pursue their aspirations for democracy, dignity, and opportunity, and fulfill the promise of their revolution."


Wasn't this pretty much our position when Castro kicked out Batista in '59? It didn't take long for anyone to figure out what a dick he (Castro) was.
 
2012-06-25 01:00:11 PM
Wow. The people posting comments on that page are dumb as fark.

Er ... misinformed.
 
2012-06-25 01:17:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: By the way the Islamic Brotherhood isn't exactly the Taliban 2 Electric Boogaloo, or even remotely close.


No, it is. Because Fox News Fear Channel has said it is, and they have the pundits to prove it.
 
2012-06-25 01:59:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's been a few years and it still hasn't turned into Saudi Arabia yet.


Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
2012-06-25 04:00:44 PM

FlashHarry: ongbok: edmo: So we're supposed to be against democracy in the Middle East again? I can never keep up with politics.

Only if they choose a Christian President, otherwise we must invade them and install a Christian government.

except in the palestinian territories, when hamas took power under free elections. those were held during the bush administration, so they're ok and proof that democracy is sometimes a "messy thing."


Oh, no. When Hamas took power the first thing the Bush Administration did was denounce the whole thing as fraudulent and/or Hamas had won by intimidating the local populace etc. etc. And I don't recall Bush congratulating them either, though I could be wrong. Same thing when the Taliban was overwhelmingly reelected in parts of Afghanistan when we let them have free elections again.

By and large, democracy is only good when the people elect pro-US governments and never when a bunch of religious zealots take over.
 
2012-06-25 04:02:37 PM

macadamnut: modesto: remember, only about 12 million in a country of 80 voted for Morsi

Sorry to nitpick, but don't you mean 40 million? I'm guessing half of those 80 million are under 18.


And voter turn-out was American-style: less than 50% of those eligible to vote did so.
 
2012-06-25 04:06:27 PM

Infernalist: The drama over this is equivalent to English drama over who's going to be the next King after the Queen finally dies.

The Egyptian President will have next to no powers to do 'anything' of importance that would effect any other country. The military retains all relevant control over foreign policy and anything related to the military. They're even in charge of who gets picked to write up their Constitution.

They're moving toward a Turkey-style government of civilian government with military control. And considering the region and their fixation on dictatorships, this is a step in the right direction.


Which is kind of ironic considering that Turkey is moving to an Iranian-style government, getting rid of Kelamist traditions and policies, and instilling a more Islamic government.
 
2012-06-25 05:27:18 PM
People With Sense: "The Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over Egypt and its going to turn in to another Islamic state..."

People With No Sense: "That won't happen! You're just being stupid and para... Oh. Um... Well if that's what the people of Egypt want then who are we to question it!"

If we're lucky they won't turn in to major sponsors of terrorism just like Iran did when this same thing happened to them.
 
2012-06-25 05:35:46 PM

randomjsa: People With Sense: "The Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over Egypt and its going to turn in to another Islamic state..."

People With No Sense: "That won't happen! You're just being stupid and para... Oh. Um... Well if that's what the people of Egypt want then who are we to question it!"

If we're lucky they won't turn in to major sponsors of terrorism just like Iran did when this same thing happened to them.


Oh look, it's here to make a stupid statement about it's knowledge of international politics, toss out a reference to Iran to stir up the rabble, and then go back and hide when someone challenges it.

Crawl back under your bridge, troll, you've done your threadshiat for the day.
 
2012-06-25 06:18:11 PM
For some reason I sense that Morsi is a fairly decent guy and the guy that lost probably should have.

Morsi needs to protect himself from assassination. If THAT happens, there will be chaos.
 
2012-06-25 06:26:48 PM
randomjsa (favorite: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): People With Sense: "The Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over Egypt and its going to turn in to another Islamic state..."

People With No Sense: "That won't happen! You're just being stupid and para... Oh. Um... Well if that's what the people of Egypt want then who are we to question it!"

If we're lucky they won't turn in to major sponsors of terrorism just like Iran did when this same thing happened to them.


So what would you do differently?

Would you spew off about how The Scary Mooselimbs Can't Be Trusted, whereupon the army *and* the Muslim Brotherhood fart in your general direction and then go right ahead and blow schitt up in Tel Aviv?

Would you invade? If that's your option, then when are you going to enlist?
 
2012-06-25 06:36:25 PM

Aldon: Wow, so many people in the comments of that article seem to hate democracy.

Sometimes people get voted in you don't like or who are bad for the country. In order to participate in a democracy you need to get over it.


The people over there are butthurt over the outcome of the election in November 2009.
 
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