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(Think Progress)   So according to the Romney campaign: Opening new factories in the United States in certain regions: Outsourcing. Firing domestically based employees so foreign companies can take over those jobs overseas: Expanding   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 171
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2012-06-25 09:33:49 AM
Yes, you can outsource functions to another American company with American employees. That's not the issue.
 
2012-06-25 09:39:49 AM
This was just a series of prelim ads. Softball scouting to see where Romney's weaknesses were so that the Obama folks could make more focused ad campaigns for when the campaign kicks into high gear later this year. But Romney and his people....dropped the ball on the response. they're letting these soft ball easy pitch campaign ads completely kick their asses.
 
2012-06-25 10:43:58 AM
I love how you can just huff and puff over semantics while accusing an article about your candidate of being wrong, but then provide zero evidence that anything in the article is actually incorrect.

img232.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-25 11:02:24 AM
I would ask Boeing about the Obama administration's opposition to outsourcing jobs domestically
 
2012-06-25 11:11:14 AM

Weaver95: This was just a series of prelim ads. Softball scouting to see where Romney's weaknesses were so that the Obama folks could make more focused ad campaigns for when the campaign kicks into high gear later this year. But Romney and his people....dropped the ball on the response. they're letting these soft ball easy pitch campaign ads completely kick their asses.


Right now, Obama's best campaign ads have been Romney's own. It's damn nice of him to be so giving...
 
2012-06-25 11:40:17 AM
Rmoney likes to fire people.
 
2012-06-25 11:44:02 AM

Weaver95: This was just a series of prelim ads. Softball scouting to see where Romney's weaknesses were so that the Obama folks could make more focused ad campaigns for when the campaign kicks into high gear later this year. But Romney and his people....dropped the ball on the response. they're letting these soft ball easy pitch campaign ads completely kick their asses.


Everything. His weakness is everything. Every time the bar is lowered, Romney somehow manages to trip over it.
 
2012-06-25 11:47:26 AM
During an appearance on CNN's State of the Union, Romney adviser Ed Gillespie continued the campaign's dubious strategy of schooling reporters on the difference between "outsourcing" and "offshoring" jobs, insisting that a Washington Post investigation - which found that Romney's company "invested in a series of firms that specialized in relocating jobs done by American workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like China and India" - misunderstood the complicated business jargon.

As far as business jargon goes, this isn't very complicated. I don't know why the media is pretending to be so flummoxed.

That being said, the argument is bullshiat. They outsourced domestically and abroad.
 
2012-06-25 11:53:30 AM
I don't know why no one has latched on to this but in an interview last week one of the reasons Romney gave why he should be president is because he said "I know when to outsource".

I guess he says stupid shiat so much people don't even notice anymore.
 
2012-06-25 11:54:15 AM
Romney continues to win the hearts and minds of the working class.
 
2012-06-25 11:55:13 AM

Corvus: I don't know why no one has latched on to this but in an interview last week one of the reasons Romney gave why he should be president is because he said "I know when to outsource".

I guess he says stupid shiat so much people don't even notice anymore.


It reminds me of that thing where people made so much of a big deal (myself included, sadly) about ordering food in Wawa when it was completely missed that he was comparing that to changing someone's address and somehow got away with saying the change of address form was 33 pages long.
 
2012-06-25 11:56:44 AM

Jake Havechek: Romney continues to win the hearts and minds of the working class.


What doesn't everyone go to a $20,000/yr "preparatory school"?

The problem is he thinks he is middle class and didn't get anything handed to him.
 
2012-06-25 11:56:59 AM
This picture says it all

thinkprogress.org
 
2012-06-25 11:57:29 AM

Codenamechaz: Corvus: I don't know why no one has latched on to this but in an interview last week one of the reasons Romney gave why he should be president is because he said "I know when to outsource".

I guess he says stupid shiat so much people don't even notice anymore.

It reminds me of that thing where people made so much of a big deal (myself included, sadly) about ordering food in Wawa when it was completely missed that he was comparing that to changing someone's address and somehow got away with saying the change of address form was 33 pages long.


You mean the change of address form that didn't actually exist?
 
2012-06-25 11:58:48 AM

Corvus: Jake Havechek: Romney continues to win the hearts and minds of the working class.

What doesn't everyone go to a $20,000/yr "preparatory school"?

The problem is he thinks he is middle class and didn't get anything handed to him.


Exactly. I don't care that he's rich, but he goes around acting like he's some rugged guy who had a hardscrabble life. His attitude towards the "regular folk" who he claims to be a part of is patronizing and insulting.
 
2012-06-25 11:58:56 AM

Corvus: Codenamechaz: Corvus: I don't know why no one has latched on to this but in an interview last week one of the reasons Romney gave why he should be president is because he said "I know when to outsource".

I guess he says stupid shiat so much people don't even notice anymore.

It reminds me of that thing where people made so much of a big deal (myself included, sadly) about ordering food in Wawa when it was completely missed that he was comparing that to changing someone's address and somehow got away with saying the change of address form was 33 pages long.

You mean the change of address form that didn't actually exist?


That's the one!
 
2012-06-25 11:59:00 AM
Romney Stares Uncomprehendingly At $1 Bill

POCATELLO, ID-A $1 bill somehow made its way into the hands of Mitt Romney during a campaign stop Thursday, reportedly causing the Republican presidential candidate a moment of uncomprehending fascination. "What am I looking at here? What is this?" said Romney, squinting at the bill as he turned it over and over in his hands. "It almost looks like money, but it's missing the zeroes. Huh. Do people try to buy things with this?" Romney finally crumpled up the bill and threw it away, chuckling as he told reporters that "whoever thought that one up must be a real wiseacre."
 
2012-06-25 12:00:16 PM
crooksandliars.com
 
2012-06-25 12:00:44 PM
What's weird is that he seems intent on getting people to understand the difference between 'outsourcing' and 'offshoring' but once everyone understands the difference, the criticism of his work at Bain Capital remains intact. I don't think he's thought this through.
 
2012-06-25 12:03:43 PM

Jake Havechek: Corvus: Jake Havechek: Romney continues to win the hearts and minds of the working class.

What doesn't everyone go to a $20,000/yr "preparatory school"?

The problem is he thinks he is middle class and didn't get anything handed to him.

Exactly. I don't care that he's rich, but he goes around acting like he's some rugged guy who had a hardscrabble life. His attitude towards the "regular folk" who he claims to be a part of is patronizing and insulting.


He's not patronizing and insulting, he just has very discriminating tastes in rain coats and cookies.
 
2012-06-25 12:05:02 PM

Codenamechaz: Corvus: I don't know why no one has latched on to this but in an interview last week one of the reasons Romney gave why he should be president is because he said "I know when to outsource".

I guess he says stupid shiat so much people don't even notice anymore.

It reminds me of that thing where people made so much of a big deal (myself included, sadly) about ordering food in Wawa when it was completely missed that he was comparing that to changing someone's address and somehow got away with saying the change of address form was 33 pages long.


For some businesses it's 27+ long
 
2012-06-25 12:08:34 PM

Weaver95: This was just a series of prelim ads. Softball scouting to see where Romney's weaknesses were so that the Obama folks could make more focused ad campaigns for when the campaign kicks into high gear later this year. But Romney and his people....dropped the ball on the response. they're letting these soft ball easy pitch campaign ads completely kick their asses.


I have to wonder if that isn't the plan. "Fumble" the responses now when people aren't paying attention, then be more on top of things once we hit September/October. The Obama campaign never throws the fastballs they have line up because Rmoney keeps missing the changeup. By the time they go to the fastball, it's too late.

Of course, this is putting a whole lot of faith into a bunch of Bush cronies and Romney himself to try such a move, so it's probably just an out of touch millionaire who simply wants to be president because that's what all the human children say in school.
 
2012-06-25 12:13:23 PM

Wendy's Chili:
He's not patronizing and insulting, he just has very discriminating tastes in rain coats and cookies.


And breakfast pastries.

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-25 12:14:55 PM
So, Romney is a job-creator on a global scale? That must be bad.

But seriously, Bain invested in firms that moved jobs overseas? Romney used to work for Bain, so Romney moved jobs overseas. Everyone who has worked, even marginally, for a company that has some connection to the same thing raise your hand.

It's all so stupid and the logic so convoluted it will never resonate with undecided voters. I do not underestimate the moron-meter on the American voter but I don't think this Bain-bashing is working.

Go back to the dog on the car roof.
 
2012-06-25 12:15:17 PM

Kiler: This picture says it all

[thinkprogress.org image 219x230]


I've never understood that picture. Posing with benjamins? In the full picture there's less than a few thousand worth, and I've made deals worth $10k in my underwear. I guess making silly poses with benjamins is a mormon substitute for doing stupid things while drunk.

/And I made that money generating profits for other companies who paid Americans to do things.
 
2012-06-25 12:16:52 PM

Maud Dib: Wendy's Chili:
He's not patronizing and insulting, he just has very discriminating tastes in rain coats and cookies.

And breakfast pastries.

[Link][i865.photobucket.com image 640x352]


I think I missed that one. Did he not know what a doughnut was?
 
2012-06-25 12:20:13 PM

Cletus C.: So, Romney is a job-creator on a global scale? That must be bad.


Romney's running for President of the United States, not President of the World; the only numbers that count are domestic.

Cletus C.: But seriously, Bain invested in firms that moved jobs overseas? Romney used to work for Bain, so Romney moved jobs overseas. Everyone who has worked, even marginally, for a company that has some connection to the same thing raise your hand.


When Mitt Romney headed the company - not "worked, even marginally", but headed the company - that bought companies and improved their operations by moving jobs overseas on his recommendation, then yes: Romney moved jobs overseas.
 
2012-06-25 12:20:30 PM

Cletus C.: ... Everyone who has worked, even marginally, for a company that has some connection to the same thing raise your hand. ...


*raises hand* I definitely used to work with a company that outsourced jobs now that you mention. In fact, what job was it...

Oh yeah, they outsourced mine.

/Last laugh is mine though. You get what you pay for when it comes to customer service.
//Pro-Tip: Don't get a Sprint phone.
 
2012-06-25 12:21:37 PM
Mitt Romney The Worst Republican To Run Against Obama - Rick Santorum.
 
2012-06-25 12:25:28 PM
Here are my point of confusion regarding this thing. (and NO, I will not take Think Progress's take on it, because they lie. Nor will I take American Thinker's take on it, becasue they lie.

So to determine if there is a problem I have a few points requiring clarification:

1) Outsourcing =/= Off-shoring.
-Hiring Chinese people to manage a Chinese location for an American Business is not taking away American jobs. Closing down a factory in Virginia while opening one in Malaysia is. I have no issue with hiring locally. I may have an issue with killing American jobs to have the same job functions performed in another country for less money.
2) Romney =/= Bain Capitol.
- Romney worked at Bain, but he didn't run the whole joint (there were two other partners for starters), and he was only there for a portion of the time Bain did business (He's been gone for more than 12 years now). Did these things occur while he was there? To what extent (if any) was Romney involved? If Obama can't be held accountble for "Fast and Furious" (and there is no reason to believe he had anything whatsoever to do with it), then what evicence is there that Romney oversaw these programs?

/Also, I wish the Oboma campaign would be more careful with their wording. Things like calling him a "corporate raider" which can be easily disputed are dumb. Because disputing the terminology substitutes for disputing the criticism. (as we see here). It seems too often that the Obama campaign intentionally over-reaches by going for an extreme charicterization that then has to be walked back, weakening the original valid criticism and also making them look like they are trying too hard to overstate weak criticisms.
 
2012-06-25 12:27:19 PM

Kiler: This picture says it all

[thinkprogress.org image 219x230]


I just can't get over that picture. I mean, if you want to show that you're successful, that's fine. You see that when you walk into a major law firm, or investment bank, or whatever. They want to show that they make money; I get that. But stuffing dollar bills in your mouth, bills sticking out of your clothing like a pole dancer, standing there with a big douche-smile while holding dollar bills? Whoever thought of that is a clown, and everyone who went along with it instead of saying "that's the dumbest thing I've heard this year" is also a clown.
 
2012-06-25 12:29:46 PM

Kiler: This picture says it all


Says what? Young business investors happy to be making money?

Oh the HORRORS?!?!
 
2012-06-25 12:30:56 PM
 
2012-06-25 12:32:57 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Here are my point of confusion regarding this thing. (and NO, I will not take Think Progress's take on it, because they lie. Nor will I take American Thinker's take on it, becasue they lie.

So to determine if there is a problem I have a few points requiring clarification:

1) Outsourcing =/= Off-shoring.
-Hiring Chinese people to manage a Chinese location for an American Business is not taking away American jobs. Closing down a factory in Virginia while opening one in Malaysia is. I have no issue with hiring locally. I may have an issue with killing American jobs to have the same job functions performed in another country for less money.
2) Romney =/= Bain Capitol.
- Romney worked at Bain, but he didn't run the whole joint (there were two other partners for starters), and he was only there for a portion of the time Bain did business (He's been gone for more than 12 years now). Did these things occur while he was there? To what extent (if any) was Romney involved? If Obama can't be held accountble for "Fast and Furious" (and there is no reason to believe he had anything whatsoever to do with it), then what evicence is there that Romney oversaw these programs?

/Also, I wish the Oboma campaign would be more careful with their wording. Things like calling him a "corporate raider" which can be easily disputed are dumb. Because disputing the terminology substitutes for disputing the criticism. (as we see here). It seems too often that the Obama campaign intentionally over-reaches by going for an extreme charicterization that then has to be walked back, weakening the original valid criticism and also making them look like they are trying too hard to overstate weak criticisms.


So we should vote for Mitt Romney because of all the business experience he gained while becoming a multimillionaire as a simple employee of Bain Capital who had nothing to do with any business transactions?

\GOP logic, it hurts the brain.
 
2012-06-25 12:34:04 PM
The worker who lost his job in Ohio doesn't give a damn about the business jargon behind the decision.
 
2012-06-25 12:36:57 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Kiler: This picture says it all

Says what? Young business investors happy to be making money?

Oh the HORRORS?!?!


Phat Stax

straightfromthea.com
 
2012-06-25 12:54:19 PM
Had Romney not tried to portray himself as Grampa Mittens helping little Cletus out with his lemonade stand this would be less of an issue for him.

cnngps.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-25 01:00:58 PM

Weaver95: This was just a series of prelim ads. Softball scouting to see where Romney's weaknesses were so that the Obama folks could make more focused ad campaigns for when the campaign kicks into high gear later this year. But Romney and his people....dropped the ball on the response. they're letting these soft ball easy pitch campaign ads completely kick their asses.


Obama is getting Romney to admit he had nothing to do with the day to day operations of Bain.

When your whole argument is that you ran a business and then have to recant that very strength, you are defenseless
 
2012-06-25 01:04:54 PM

DarwiOdrade: BojanglesPaladin:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300] (White Knight Syndrome)


There is a difference between making sure there is a valid criticism and defending someone. I'm personally still waiting for something from Romney that would convince me that he has a viable PLAN. Sure, I can look at Obama's lack of overall success and conclude that his plan isn't working, but that does not mean Romney has a BETTER plan. Especcially when I can;t really see a plan of any kind - just some vague "I know what I'm doing." promises.

max_pooper: So we should vote for Mitt Romney because of all the business experience he gained while becoming a multimillionaire as a simple employee of Bain Capital who had nothing to do with any business transactions?


I make no reccomendations regarding who you should vote for. Try again.

Also, I note that neither of you provided any clarification on the two points. Only insinuations that I shouldn't be questioning the criticism at all, which is enlightening.
 
2012-06-25 01:05:40 PM
This is just more of the ultimate irony. Conservatives want to sell you on the idea that the most cherished ideal of this nation is that anyone from any background can achieve the highest level of success. However, when was the last time a Conservative on a national ticket actually embodied this? The last two Democratic presidents are the very incarnation of this. Yet, the Conservatives want to tell you that these guys are somehow elitists... somehow detached from the plight of working Americans. The suspension of disbelief required to swallow this line of thinking is just boggling.
 
2012-06-25 01:06:09 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Sure, I can look at Obama's lack of overall success


No bias there - nuh-uh
 
2012-06-25 01:13:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Had Romney not tried to portray himself as Grampa Mittens helping little Cletus out with his lemonade stand this would be less of an issue for him.

[cnngps.files.wordpress.com image 640x360]


Kool-Aid actually. And as evidenced here, I've had a banner year.
 
2012-06-25 01:13:46 PM

DarwiOdrade: No bias there - nuh-uh


You got me. I failed to look at the current economic situation and correctly realize that Obama has completely turned the economy around. Why, now that you have questioned ny 'bias' I see that all of the economic data is completely wrong, and Obama is an economic genius. who DID solve all of our economic problems, but he did it so awesomely that only the true faithfull can see it.

Seriously. Unemployment is pretty much where it was four years ago, the economy is still barely recovering, and you want me to conclude that Obama's policies have been a SUCCESS?

Who's biased and white knighting here?

I am asking a specific set of questions about a specific criticism levelled against a specific candidate. Let's just discuss the merits of this criticism.
 
2012-06-25 01:14:48 PM

Cletus C.: So, Romney is a job-creator on a global scale? That must be bad.

But seriously, Bain invested in firms that moved jobs overseas? Romney used to work for Bain, so Romney moved jobs overseas. Everyone who has worked, even marginally, for a company that has some connection to the same thing raise your hand.

It's all so stupid and the logic so convoluted it will never resonate with undecided voters. I do not underestimate the moron-meter on the American voter but I don't think this Bain-bashing is working.

Go back to the dog on the car roof.


Romney biggest strength, he says, is that he ran a business. When your group is running around claiming that Romney had nothing to do with the day to day operations, he no longer is able to claim he ran a business. Just that he owned one. Outsourcing is a major decision and Romney as a day to day operations manager, would need to sign off on that.

Basically, all that Romney has left is, He is not Obama. Might be enough to win the election, but i doubt it
 
MFK
2012-06-25 01:16:30 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Here are my point of confusion regarding this thing. (and NO, I will not take Think Progress's take on it, because they lie. Nor will I take American Thinker's take on it, becasue they lie.
.


I don't think these 2 websites are even remotely in the same boat as each other. Think Progress may be a "librul thinktank" but they don't "lie". American Thinker, on the other hand actually takes pride in it.
 
2012-06-25 01:19:16 PM
Bush was a "businessman" too. The only Texas oilman who could not find oil, and managed to lose money on a MLB ballpark project.
 
2012-06-25 01:20:39 PM

too-old: Cletus C.: So, Romney is a job-creator on a global scale? That must be bad.

But seriously, Bain invested in firms that moved jobs overseas? Romney used to work for Bain, so Romney moved jobs overseas. Everyone who has worked, even marginally, for a company that has some connection to the same thing raise your hand.

It's all so stupid and the logic so convoluted it will never resonate with undecided voters. I do not underestimate the moron-meter on the American voter but I don't think this Bain-bashing is working.

Go back to the dog on the car roof.

Romney biggest strength, he says, is that he ran a business. When your group is running around claiming that Romney had nothing to do with the day to day operations, he no longer is able to claim he ran a business. Just that he owned one. Outsourcing is a major decision and Romney as a day to day operations manager, would need to sign off on that.

Basically, all that Romney has left is, He is not Obama. Might be enough to win the election, but i doubt it


Jeebus cripes. Romney signing off on moves made by companies Bain invested in. Even after he was gone from Bain. Sheesh.

Yes, he is an extremely successful business person. That seems to bother certain people.
 
2012-06-25 01:21:48 PM
When in doubt, KEEP digging...
 
2012-06-25 01:23:17 PM

BojanglesPaladin: You got me.


Obama isn't need to be an economic genius. But his plan is a darn site better than Romney's plan. But i realize that is my opinion as you might have a different one.

BojanglesPaladin: Unemployment is pretty much where it was four years ago, the economy is still barely recovering, and you want me to conclude that Obama's policies have been a SUCCESS?


Unemployment is spiraling out of control 4 years ago. Business's were closing their doors at an unreal pace. Unemployment was dropping at about a percent month, 4 years ago. Although we would appreciate if the economy was better off, it certainly is better than 4 years ago. Remember, all this destruction of the US economy happened under a Republican President, so don't try to change the script.
 
2012-06-25 01:24:51 PM

Cletus C.: Yes, he is an extremely successful business person.


Business owner.

He never ran anything except as governor
 
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