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2012-06-25 04:10:13 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.


When the f*ck did they add two timeouts? Back when I gave a sh*t, they had one timeout, and usually never used it. An intelligent coach would probably see his player out there being completely useless and call timeout to get him off the ice or his goalie would ice the puck or a teammate would flip the puck over the boards.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.


Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.
 
2012-06-25 04:10:49 PM  
No one can truly know who's the 'tougher' person and I don't think any of us here could even agree on a definition of toughness. But, for the sake of this discussion, I think you can look at the respective sports they play and make a judgement based on that. And yes, this is a ridiculous discussion. It reminds me of the 'who's the strongest fictional character?' thread we had a while back.

And for the record, the list of toughest sports in order is:

1) Peruvian xxtreme nut kicking
2) Welsh shin kicking
3) Soccer
4) Everything else
 
2012-06-25 04:12:05 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.


To clarify, it's only one per game. You only take it if you absolutely have to.
 
2012-06-25 04:13:22 PM  

IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.


But the goalie weighing an extra 50 pounds that stands or bends repeatedly during the entire 60 minutes doesn't count right?

Try doing it sometime asshole. Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.

It's not fanfic, it's reality. A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses. I don't think jumping a whopping 18 inches to dunk a ball is as physical as getting from a kneeling position to defend a goal while people crowd your vision and crash into you with blades no less. Just ask Clint Mularchuk.

You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough. I think it's wrong and have provided my reasoning for this.
 
2012-06-25 04:13:26 PM  

SultanofSchwing: FreakinB: SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.

Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.

There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.


Somehow I doubt that he wasn't re-hydrating during the game. But regardless, I'm not talking about stuff he could have done earlier, I'm talking about in the moment. Given that the cramps are happening, what can you do? Not a whole lot.

And I'm no longer one to shiat on soccer players. Sure there's diving, but there's a lot of legitimate stuff going on there too.
 
2012-06-25 04:16:25 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.

To clarify, it's only one per game. You only take it if you absolutely have to.


I was baiting to exemplify how much more stressing hockey players have it. He instantly came out and correctly cited the one timeout compared to the inordinate amount basketball players get.

IAmRight: Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.


There is only one of me. And now the sport is tough, but the people that do it aren't? What color is the sky on your planet? So boxing is tough, but boxers aren't. Rugby is tough, but rugby players aren't?

Are you completely farked in the head?
 
2012-06-25 04:16:26 PM  

FreakinB: And I'm no longer one to shiat on soccer players. Sure there's diving, but there's a lot of legitimate stuff going on there too.


I'll agree that the England/Italy Euro Cup game was pretty clean, the sport is still unfortunately mired in a lot of bullshiat though.
 
2012-06-25 04:19:02 PM  

IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.


Attention everyone. Squatting with weight does not stress the knees as much as jumping rope. You heard it here! I guess all those bodybuilders that tear ligaments are just faking it. Oh and football players that stand in three-point stances aren't stressing their knees either. Hmmm, guess I'll just toss these exercise books away since IAmRight knows more about the human body.
 
2012-06-25 04:20:42 PM  

IAmRight: I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS


Even though he's dead, Bob Probert disagrees.
 
2012-06-25 04:21:10 PM  

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.

When the f*ck did they add two timeouts? Back when I gave a sh*t, they had one timeout, and usually never used it. An intelligent coach would probably see his player out there being completely useless and call timeout to get him off the ice or his goalie would ice the puck or a teammate would flip the puck over the boards.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.

Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.


Don't know where he got the 3 time-outs from. It's only 1 timeout and it's used in almost every game, in different situations. When was the last time you did watch hockey? Back when goalies never went into the butterfly? You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.
 
2012-06-25 04:21:20 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.

Attention everyone. Squatting with weight does not stress the knees as much as jumping rope. You heard it here! I guess all those bodybuilders that tear ligaments are just faking it. Oh and football players that stand in three-point stances aren't stressing their knees either. Hmmm, guess I'll just toss these exercise books away since IAmRight knows more about the human body.


The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.
 
2012-06-25 04:22:30 PM  

FreakinB: Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.


Cramping is the result of improper stretching and dehydration. It is perfectly preventable in the instance the hockey players are clowning Lebron for. Now, if someone crashed into him and directly contacted between the thigh muscles, they wouldn't have a point. If cramping was so prevalent then I would believe that professional runners would be falling all the time.
 
2012-06-25 04:24:42 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses.


Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.


Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough.


Perhaps if you understood the arguments, you wouldn't look like such a moron. I'm not using jumping (which rarely happens in hockey) as proof that players are as tough. I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.
 
2012-06-25 04:26:10 PM  

SultanofSchwing: There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.


Soccer, and the NFL, which we know well to be full of pussies. They even wine about health care like a bunch of socialists.

How are you going to apply heat and stretch in the middle of a game? Hang on everyone, it'll just be a couple minutes.
 
2012-06-25 04:28:56 PM  

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses.

Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.

Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough.

Perhaps if you understood the arguments, you wouldn't look like such a moron. I'm not using jumping (which rarely happens in hockey) as proof that players are as tough. I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.


You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.
 
2012-06-25 04:29:01 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: FreakinB: Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.

Cramping is the result of improper stretching and dehydration. It is perfectly preventable in the instance the hockey players are clowning Lebron for. Now, if someone crashed into him and directly contacted between the thigh muscles, they wouldn't have a point. If cramping was so prevalent then I would believe that professional runners would be falling all the time.


Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.
 
2012-06-25 04:30:17 PM  

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.


Because it's full of bullshiat hyperbole. How did someone get from squatting with 50 pounds of gear to serious weightlifting?
 
2012-06-25 04:30:29 PM  

zippolight2002: You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.


I didn't think about the instances where you can call a timeout. I RARELY have seen a timeout called. But you can flip the puck over the glass outside of your defensive zone. And what's the difference between taking a penalty and LEAVING YOUR TEAMMATE OUT ON THE ICE TO JUST TAKE SHOTS TO THE FACE BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET UP?

I dunno, maybe I always liked my teammates too much to just let 'em sit out there seriously injured without getting medical attention.

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.


Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?
 
2012-06-25 04:31:33 PM  

MugzyBrown: keylock71: I don't know about that... Chara could probably beat him in a bicycle race, climbing a mountain, and, based on his work-out regime, I'm guessing he could probably beat Lebron at just about everything except basketball.

Ummm so he likes to ride his bike a lot. It doesn't say he's a great cyclist.

If you put Lebron in pretty much any athletic event, he would absolutely smoke him. 100m dash, 1,000m, high jump, shotput... assuming they both can swim 100m freestyle.

Chara isn't even particularly gifted at hockey. He skates very well for his size, but to say he skates well for an NHLer would be a joke. He's good enough so that his size and reach become a huge advantage and coordinated enough so that he can use his size to generate a ton of torque on a slap shot.


Holy shiat...I'm a massive Habs fan/Bruins hater...but no fan of sports could get away with saying that without his balls detaching themselves from his body for fear of being associated with that sentence.

Zdeno Chara is one of the most physically amazing athletes ever and one of the all-time great defencemen. His height should be a disadvantage if anything, but even at his gargantuan stature, he manages to keep up with the fastest game in the world. The fact that he's agile and fast enough to keep up is mind blowing.

Hockey is a man's sport filled with tough men. Basketball is filled with divas trying to milk a sprained knee to seem like they're "toughing it out" for the cameras a-la Paul Pierce (one of the most embarrassing moments of sissydom in sports history).
 
2012-06-25 04:31:50 PM  
Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.
 
2012-06-25 04:32:16 PM  

you have pee hands: SultanofSchwing: There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.

Soccer, and the NFL, which we know well to be full of pussies. They even wine about health care like a bunch of socialists.

How are you going to apply heat and stretch in the middle of a game? Hang on everyone, it'll just be a couple minutes.


By having a training staff that isn't pants-on-head retarded? Maybe they're a rarity in Florida but you can buy instant heating packs (the snappable kind) at most stores for like $3 and they provide a good amount of deep heat, would only need it for about 30 seconds and another 30 to stretch the leg. Even if it didn't cause a recovery, doing something to try and get into the game again instead of hamming it up for the cameras would have likely prevented any comments.
 
2012-06-25 04:33:42 PM  

TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.


That's pussy talk, go play soccer you homo!!1!
 
2012-06-25 04:34:10 PM  

boozehat: You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.


Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.

FreakinB: Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.


Clearly he should've stayed in and risked long-term injury to himself AND caused damage to his team because he wouldn't have been at full capacity, possibly causing them to lose the game (and if he were injured) the series.
 
2012-06-25 04:34:47 PM  

IAmRight: Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.


No, they jump for rebounds and dunks. But those that are jumping and dunking usually have the height so as not to jump to their limit. Yes, you are farking ignorant because you are painting the jumping in basketball like a goddamn double-dutch marathon. It isn't House of Pain biatch! Watching the Mighty Ducks doesn't count.

IAmRight: Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.


The padding covers the entire body as if they player gained the weight. So place a player in a fat suit, and how well will they fare. The padding on the knees can be lighter than the body protection involving the mask, the stick, the blocker, the glove. The padding doesn't completely stop the shock of hitting the ice which you would know if you actually played hockey, much less goalie. Not to mention, a butterfly split involves twisting the knee to land the pad on its side, but that doesn't stress the knee as you pointed out. Moron.

IAmRight: BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.


Yes, I enjoyed the Genesis NBA Jam and NHL 97 as well, but we're talking real sports junior.

IAmRight: I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.


Athletic movements use the same muscle groups, therefore they are comparable which again you would know if you played sports. Sprinting and skating involve the same legs. Shooting a puck and shooting a ball involve the arms and back and shoulder. Lateral movement involves the core muscles. But sure, completely different movements and muscles. I guess basketball players and hockey players are differently evolved in your world. And the argument is that hockey players are tougher than basketball players. You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute unless you don't have any idea how the human body works.

I have to ask, are you sure you're not Pearl from the movie Blade? You can use a computer, but I don't think you've actually used your leg muscles once except to scoot the Cheetos bag closer.
 
2012-06-25 04:34:48 PM  

IAmRight: Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?


I understand how bad trolling works. I learned it from you.
 
2012-06-25 04:35:08 PM  

TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.


It's interesting how, for the most part, basketball fans here tend to enjoy all sports and hockey fans need for hockey to be the only one acknowledged.
 
2012-06-25 04:37:17 PM  

IAmRight: zippolight2002: You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.

I didn't think about the instances where you can call a timeout. I RARELY have seen a timeout called. But you can flip the puck over the glass outside of your defensive zone. And what's the difference between taking a penalty and LEAVING YOUR TEAMMATE OUT ON THE ICE TO JUST TAKE SHOTS TO THE FACE BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET UP?

I dunno, maybe I always liked my teammates too much to just let 'em sit out there seriously injured without getting medical attention.

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.

Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?


That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.
 
2012-06-25 04:39:10 PM  

FreakinB: Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.


Kobe Bryant played with a broken finger on his dominant hand. Pain is a mental thing that can be played through. It is valid if the pain doesn't exactly hobble the player especially when a cramp is best relieved through movement and blood flow. Sitting on the side clutching it causes more harm than walking if off. So I say yes. Now, if the coach decided it, it would be out of the player's hands but that isn't the case here. This is about individual resolve. And I believe that hockey players have more.
 
2012-06-25 04:40:10 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute


You're essentially saying that someone who works in a warehouse is tougher than someone who works in an office.

Who cares if the warehouseman is a 73-year-old woman who uses a forklift for everything over 20 lbs? It's a more physically demanding job than the guy working in the office's job! Therefore she's tougher! Who cares if he constantly works out and fights angry bears every weekend, he didn't want to deal with the toughness of working on a warehouse floor! It's not that he's college-educated and enjoys his job and gets paid better! He's not working in that warehouse because he's just not tough!

But if you didn't take 30,000 pucks to the head, you might be able to figure this out.
 
2012-06-25 04:40:33 PM  

IAmRight: TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.

It's interesting how, for the most part, basketball fans here tend to enjoy all sports and hockey fans need for hockey to be the only one acknowledged.


Pfft. Like you know. You probably never played any sports. You could never get into my Over-30 No Contact Hockey division at Suburban Skate.
 
2012-06-25 04:41:16 PM  

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

You just want to keep slobbing hockey's collective knob. So if it's so important to you, you just keep believing it, rather than having the intelligence to acknowledge a system's effect on how things appear.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.


This is the second dumbest thing I have ever seen you type. The 2 most used muscle groups used in hockey are the groin and the abs. Proper skating requires you to squatting at all times, the stability comes from your core. A torn abdomen would be excruciating, and got help you if you ever had to shoot, dump, or lob the puck.

As someone who has played both sports, I DEFINITELY took more of a beating playing hockey. Broke toes, nose, fingers and kept playing. Dislocated a shoulder on the ice and had it put back in and played the rest of the game. The culture and expectations of the game is to do that. Playing basketball, I slightly rolled an ankle and sat for the rest of the game with my foot on ice (turned out it was fine). Basketball doesn't have that same level of cultural expectation to play through injuries that hockey has, even at the lower levels (like high school and IM's in college).

/the toughness of an individual is variable based on the situation.
//women: childbirth vs other times
///soldiers in an active theater vs on leave
 
2012-06-25 04:41:21 PM  

New Age Redneck: Are we using Hemingway's definition of sport and thus athlete in this holy contrived discussion?


I'm using the term "physically-gifted" on the basis of what skills and properties other athletes do not have and are physically unable to obtain.

Oh, and this discussion has worn its course.
 
2012-06-25 04:41:37 PM  

IAmRight: Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.


Wow...best be joking about this, or else you will invalidate everything you have said against goalies. To have not even played with the right equipment prevents you from arguing the merits of a goalie's skill set and stress. God I hate you.
 
2012-06-25 04:42:08 PM  

zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.


If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.
 
2012-06-25 04:43:07 PM  
Oh, and just to note, the combination of rage and sarcasm in this thread has made this thread about as transparent as a painted window. I love it so much.
 
2012-06-25 04:44:31 PM  

IAmRight: zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.

If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.


Oh, you mean a severe injury where the ref stops play automatically as soon as the team who's player is down touches the puck? You really should atleast watch a little hockey before claiming to know anything about the sport. You say you used to watch it, but it's getting harder and harder to believe.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:10 PM  

SultanofSchwing: By having a training staff that isn't pants-on-head retarded? Maybe they're a rarity in Florida but you can buy instant heating packs (the snappable kind) at most stores for like $3 and they provide a good amount of deep heat, would only need it for about 30 seconds and another 30 to stretch the leg. Even if it didn't cause a recovery, doing something to try and get into the game again instead of hamming it up for the cameras would have likely prevented any comments.


He did go back in the game after a bit. He just couldn't make any really powerful movements without it cramping up again, so he came back out. You can't get any meaningful recovery of a quad cramp in a few minutes with a heat pack and it was already late in the 4th quarter.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:11 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: FreakinB: Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.

Kobe Bryant played with a broken finger on his dominant hand. Pain is a mental thing that can be played through. It is valid if the pain doesn't exactly hobble the player especially when a cramp is best relieved through movement and blood flow. Sitting on the side clutching it causes more harm than walking if off. So I say yes. Now, if the coach decided it, it would be out of the player's hands but that isn't the case here. This is about individual resolve. And I believe that hockey players have more.


In basketball, a cramped leg hobbles a player *way* more than a broken finger. One might affect your shot a bit, the other hinders pretty much everything you do. And even if it's best resolved through movement and blood flow, I'd argue that the time for getting that movement and blood flow is *not* on the court during the final stages of a close Finals game.

As for "individual resolve," and I truly mean this in all sincerity, who gives a flying rat fark? Different sports have different circumstances and different cultures. It's a meaningless argument.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:32 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Wow...best be joking about this, or else you will invalidate everything you have said against goalies. To have not even played with the right equipment prevents you from arguing the merits of a goalie's skill set and stress. God I hate you.


You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.

abmoraz: As someone who has played both sports, I DEFINITELY took more of a beating playing hockey.


But when you were playing basketball, you were clearly a less tough person than you were when you played hockey, right? Because we're not arguing whether a sport is tougher. We're arguing about what sport you play having anything to do with how tough you are.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:14 PM  
and I should rephrase that, it's not necessarily when the team touches the puck. It can be when the ref deems no high scoring opportunity for either team is present. It's up the refs discretion.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:14 PM  

IAmRight: zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.

If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.


If a teammate of the injured player gains possession of the puck and that player is incapable of getting off the ice, the play is blown down. It's only while the opposing team is in possession that play continues. The exception is when the injury is the result of a penalty.

I love this running commentary on the rules of the game you know nothing about.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:28 PM  
The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...
 
2012-06-25 04:47:48 PM  

IAmRight: You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.


Were you playing goddamn street hockey? Shut up already.
 
2012-06-25 04:48:43 PM  

Killer Cars: Blake Wheeler is the most "notable" person quoted in that article. A small handful of hockey nobodies talking sh*t on Twitter isn't exactly the most newsworthy thing in the world.


Personally, I always start my day off by reading tweets from the entire roster of the Winnipeg Mushdogs or whatever the hell they're called now. I find that getting commentary from players in a distant 4th place pro sports league like the NHL gives observations a nice working-class slant that the fatcat liberal JEW New York media usually filters out. It's like drinking the truth straight from the tap!

"Up next - you won't believe what a certain power forward for the Saskatoon Milkbaggers had to say about the NFL! Tune in to find out what he said, and how you can sponsor him for the cost of a cup of coffee a day"
 
2012-06-25 04:49:39 PM  

IAmRight: boozehat: You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.

Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.

FreakinB: Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.

Clearly he should've stayed in and risked long-term injury to himself AND caused damage to his team because he wouldn't have been at full capacity, possibly causing them to lose the game (and if he were injured) the series.


So your hockey experience can be summed up by you standing in the street with sneakers on, holidng a baseball glove?
 
2012-06-25 04:51:05 PM  

zippolight2002: Oh, you mean a severe injury where the ref stops play automatically as soon as the team who's player is down touches the puck?


Please go read the thread - I was told to find an example of an NBA situation where someone was crippled on the court and play just kept going on around him and he continued to play from the ground, because supposedly this happened in a hockey game.

I'm not the one coming up with this situation - I'm saying that if someone were so injured on the ice, play would stop. Just as it would in basketball.

SultanofSchwing: If a teammate of the injured player gains possession of the puck and that player is incapable of getting off the ice, the play is blown down. It's only while the opposing team is in possession that play continues.


SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF AN NBA PLAYER STAYING ON THE COURT THROUGH A POSSESSION WHERE HE WAS INJURED? HOW ABOUT EVERY F*CKING TIME A PLAYER IS INJURED, you can't call timeout until you have the ball in basketball either, f*ckstain.
 
2012-06-25 04:51:24 PM  

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute

You're essentially saying that someone who works in a warehouse is tougher than someone who works in an office.

Who cares if the warehouseman is a 73-year-old woman who uses a forklift for everything over 20 lbs? It's a more physically demanding job than the guy working in the office's job! Therefore she's tougher! Who cares if he constantly works out and fights angry bears every weekend, he didn't want to deal with the toughness of working on a warehouse floor! It's not that he's college-educated and enjoys his job and gets paid better! He's not working in that warehouse because he's just not tough!

But if you didn't take 30,000 pucks to the head, you might be able to figure this out.


Does the woman fight in alleys and parking lots on her off-nights for a few extra bucks? I need more information before I outright call you stupid for this comparison especially after getting on someone about apples and oranges. Get back to sports dumbass, finish your argument before ranting and becoming a caricature of yourself.

The argument presented is basketball players versus hockey players. Hell at least move laterally into baseball or rugby or boxing or shotput... You're just off the rails now man. That Miami championship has gotten you skullfarked.

So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.
 
2012-06-25 04:51:33 PM  

AKTurkey: The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...


Ya, but you'll also being seeing the Leafs....


/Leaf fan
 
2012-06-25 04:52:46 PM  

boozehat: So your hockey experience can be summed up by you standing in the street with sneakers on, holidng a baseball glove?


Hey boozehat, how many ice rinks were there in southern California two decades ago?

/not many
 
2012-06-25 04:53:09 PM  

SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.

Were you playing goddamn street hockey? Shut up already.


From his description, it sounds like he was maybe playing stick-ball.
 
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