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2012-06-25 03:29:30 PM  

IAmRight: The ones that stand around for 80-90% of the game and are covered from head to foot in padding? You're going to say that they're tougher? Okay.

I guess hockey fans really need to convince themselves of things like this because they have no sense of self-worth or toughness of their own.


You don't actually watch hockey, do you? And you don't think basketball players do their share of standing and walking around for position? Half the reason I scream at my team is that they aren't moving around the court and relying on one or two players to handle the offense. And yes, the padding that protects them from an object a hell of a lot bigger and harder than a battery or ice cube which have set basketball players off.

target="_blank">IAmRight: Unfortunately, players don't get to have access to water/Gatorade every 40 seconds or so like an NHL player does.


You're right, basketball players get to sit on their asses for 15-20 minutes while the whistle keeps blowing the play dead because some pussy flopped to get an extra shot on the free throw line while the other mill about and pat each other on the ass. I'm going to say that you haven't played a physically demanding sport that didn't involve a Wii remote.

And last but not least, NBA players can't reach the speeds and impacts of the NHL players, so even two big center running into each other full speed isn't comparable to the force a 5'9, 220 defender can bring into a single check.

I won't debate that basketball is physically demanding, but you can't compare the damages and dangers NHL players face more often than your average NBA player that often isn't driving the lane to even chance getting into contact.

You are simply wrong and lack the understanding of physics to show. Add into the mix the weights of equipment involved: goalie gear can weigh up to 50 extra pounds combined with the smaller surface area his skates distribute. So I pose to you, do you think a regualr in-shape center could carry an extra 50 pounds while moving, dropping, bouncing back up all while holding a goalie stick, which also can weigh a shiatload especially when you are tired.

Average equipment for a player is 20 pounds which would mean each small forward would have to carry an extra 20 pounds while running and controlling the ball. Let's not even get into the physics of changing direction on blades, stopping and banking turns nor the effects of being drilled into a wall or hip checked onto the ice. And funny enough, you still don't see themselves wrench and cry about the pain while being carried off the ice.
 
2012-06-25 03:30:48 PM  

Mike_LowELL: SultanofSchwing: What gifted looks like.

LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever.

Define "Doesn't happen in hockey ever" to Zednik

Link

 
2012-06-25 03:31:03 PM  

keylock71: New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.


I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion
 
2012-06-25 03:31:15 PM  
basketball is for pusses. that is all.
 
2012-06-25 03:32:28 PM  

FreakinB: keylock71: New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.

I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion


Messi.

/ducks
 
2012-06-25 03:32:48 PM  

Mike_LowELL: LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever. Therefore, basketball players are tougher. Your argument is invalid.


Nope, never happens.

Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again? I thought you and "IAmWrong" are against that whole angle.
 
2012-06-25 03:33:25 PM  

boozehat: Mike_LowELL: SultanofSchwing: What gifted looks like.

LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever.

Define "Doesn't happen in hockey ever" to Zednik

Link


Beaten to it!

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-06-25 03:33:47 PM  
Meh, you have to give them a pass, like you do little retarded boys who piss their pants, because all those concussions they suffer cause them brain damage.
 
2012-06-25 03:34:38 PM  
I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.

Because it's the most painful which means most awesomest! Durrrr.
 
2012-06-25 03:35:15 PM  

New Age Redneck: No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.


Judging by the fact you said "Not even close", I'm going to assume you have a long list of 6'6-6'8, 270-pound professional athletes with the agility and speed of NFL wide-receivers?

SultanofSchwing: Nope, never happens.

Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again? I thought you and "IAmWrong" are against that whole angle.


Nah, I'm just snarking you.
 
2012-06-25 03:35:58 PM  

FreakinB: I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.


Eh... I think that's extremely debatable.

But, while I'm a huge hockey fan, I don't "hate" basketball. I just have no interest in it. Same goes for Baseball. Bores me to tears, but I'm not going to criticize another person's preferences... Unless, of course, I'm trying to get a rise out of them.
 
2012-06-25 03:36:21 PM  

IAmRight: fatalvenom: Shouldn't you be at the Heat victory parade today with your lips applied to Lebron's shlong?

What's with your fixation with his dick? You constantly bring it into every conversation.


Citation?
 
2012-06-25 03:37:25 PM  

Mike_LowELL: LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored.


And Kobe Bryant raped a chick...what's your point?
 
2012-06-25 03:38:49 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: You are simply wrong and lack the understanding of physics to show


You're completely making up statements I never made and arguing against them, so no, I'm not. What you think I'm saying is wrong, but I didn't say that.
 
2012-06-25 03:38:54 PM  

fo_sho!: I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.


Those guys are pussies.... Welsh Shin Kickers are far tougher. : )

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-25 03:39:05 PM  

IAmRight: Cramps are cramps - they're not a severe injury, but you really can't f*cking play through them, no matter who you are.


Forgot this part. Stretching and hydration could have avoided his embarrassment. A cramp is not an injury.
 
2012-06-25 03:40:43 PM  

SultanofSchwing: regindyn: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

You forgot the part where they get subbed out every 85 seconds cause they're winded.

/don't mind hockey
//their fans, however...

You've obviously never played hockey before. Not that Basketball doesn't have it's physical demands, but there really is no comparison to skating at that level for any sustained amount of time.


That's nothing, I've never strapped on an ice skate before.
 
2012-06-25 03:41:19 PM  

IAmRight: Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.


Fine. Read below and you'll see why hockey players are tougher:

The 2000 Stanley Cup Finals match-up between the New Jersey Devils and the Dallas Stars was a physically brutal series. Players on both sides showed tremendous grit and determination to win the Cup at all costs. The series was eventually decided by an overtime goal in Game 6 by New Jersey's Jason Arnott, who just two games earlier had suffered a concussion and had four teeth knocked out of his jaw. But one of the more incredible examples of hockey-toughness came in the desperate play of Dallas' Darrly Sydor.

In the first period of Game 6, Sydor missed a hit on Scott Gomez and went awkwardly into the boards. It was immediately obvious that he was badly hurt, as his leg twisted under him and face writhed in agony. He attempted to get up, but quickly collapsed to the ice, unable to put any weight on his leg. But Sydor wasn't about to let the pain, nor the inability to skate, keep him from playing hockey. While play continued around him, Sydor determined he was useless lying off to the side, so he used his arms and his one good leg to drag his body through other players towards the front of the net in an attempt to block shots.

Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...
 
2012-06-25 03:41:27 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again?


So you, who said you're comparing apples to oranges, now disagree with yourself.

/I'm arguing with someone dumber than an apple and an orange

fo_sho!: I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.

Because it's the most painful which means most awesomest! Durrrr.


It means they're the toughest!
 
2012-06-25 03:41:37 PM  
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"Pussies."
 
2012-06-25 03:43:09 PM  
The guy who just broke the decathlon world record is a pretty decent athlete.

He probably can't do a triple lutz though.
 
2012-06-25 03:44:11 PM  
Fark Sports tab is getting more and more outdated by the day. Seems to be only relevant for the discussion threads on live events, everything else is days old by the time it gets posted. I guess they have to wait for a Fark partner site to copy and paste the story from the original source before they can link to it.
 
2012-06-25 03:45:10 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle.


Holy Christ you're stupid.

First of all, the play would be stopped because the team would call a timeout. You can't afford to play 5-on-4 for more than a possession in basketball, because people score consistently.

Secondly, a player incapable of moving and on the ground would be utterly useless in a sport where the game is played in the air.

Again, you've done nothing to prove anything except that basketball and hockey are different sports.
 
2012-06-25 03:45:32 PM  
"I wonder what kind of face LeBron would make if he took a slapper off the laces?" tweeted Blake Wheeler of the Winnipeg Jets

Lulz. Hey champ, you play in Winnipeg because America's 9th largest metro couldn't get enough people who would pay to watch you play.

The Los Angeles Kings' victory over the New Jersey Devils in six games averaged a 2.2 rating and 4 share on NBC.

The five games between the Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder on ABC averaged a 10.1 rating


Hate hate hate hate hate!
 
2012-06-25 03:47:56 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...


I'm sure Mr. Traffic Cone there has a very high tolerance for pain but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the sport that they don't stop to get an obviously injured player off the ice. There's no way to be of much use to your team lying prone on a basketball court and anyway they'd just stop play.
 
2012-06-25 03:49:56 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: IAmRight: Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

Fine. Read below and you'll see why hockey players are tougher:

The 2000 Stanley Cup Finals match-up between the New Jersey Devils and the Dallas Stars was a physically brutal series. Players on both sides showed tremendous grit and determination to win the Cup at all costs. The series was eventually decided by an overtime goal in Game 6 by New Jersey's Jason Arnott, who just two games earlier had suffered a concussion and had four teeth knocked out of his jaw. But one of the more incredible examples of hockey-toughness came in the desperate play of Dallas' Darrly Sydor.

In the first period of Game 6, Sydor missed a hit on Scott Gomez and went awkwardly into the boards. It was immediately obvious that he was badly hurt, as his leg twisted under him and face writhed in agony. He attempted to get up, but quickly collapsed to the ice, unable to put any weight on his leg. But Sydor wasn't about to let the pain, nor the inability to skate, keep him from playing hockey. While play continued around him, Sydor determined he was useless lying off to the side, so he used his arms and his one good leg to drag his body through other players towards the front of the net in an attempt to block shots.

Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...


I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.
 
2012-06-25 03:50:44 PM  
Shun Fujimoto is probably laughing at us.
 
2012-06-25 03:51:54 PM  

FreakinB: I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion


I'd put Jackie Chan into the mixture. Or how about Donnie Yen? Perhaps even Cyril Raffaelli the actor from District B13.
 
2012-06-25 03:53:02 PM  

Rapmaster2000: "I wonder what kind of face LeBron would make if he took a slapper off the laces?" tweeted Blake Wheeler of the Winnipeg Jets

Lulz. Hey champ, you play in Winnipeg because America's 9th largest metro couldn't get enough people who would pay to watch you play.

The Los Angeles Kings' victory over the New Jersey Devils in six games averaged a 2.2 rating and 4 share on NBC.

The five games between the Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder on ABC averaged a 10.1 rating

Hate hate hate hate hate!


Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series. Even if they did, they're too busy committing crimes, getting arrested and knocking up chicks while neglecting to father the dozens of illegitimate ones that are all ready running around.


Hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater!


I kid.


On a side note, I wonder how Boston fans will embrace the brother of P.K. Subban in net...
 
2012-06-25 03:53:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.


It's not even that, though. It's a "people who play my sport are tougher than people who play your sport" vs "the sport a person plays has nothing to do with how tough they are" argument.
 
2012-06-25 03:53:51 PM  
Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.
 
2012-06-25 03:54:21 PM  

WhiskeySticks: Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series


Even though it was on NBC.
 
2012-06-25 03:56:57 PM  

NutznGum: Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.


Yeah, but he'd just drive a big, slow car, never win any races, or battle for position in the corners...
 
2012-06-25 03:57:17 PM  

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again?

So you, who said you're comparing apples to oranges, now disagree with yourself.

/I'm arguing with someone dumber than an apple and an orange


Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.
 
2012-06-25 03:57:21 PM  

IAmRight: Rapmaster2000: I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.

It's not even that, though. It's a "people who play my sport are tougher than people who play your sport" vs "the sport a person plays has nothing to do with how tough they are" argument.


Hey, no arguments there. The wrestlers in my HS were huge proponents of the "basketball is for pussies" argument. Meanwhile, basketball gets 2,000 fans on Friday night and no one watches wrestling.
 
2012-06-25 03:57:47 PM  
keylock71


New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.


I kinda gathered that, cheers. In fact he's so good I'll bite.

Mike_LowELL

New Age Redneck: No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

Judging by the fact you said "Not even close", I'm going to assume you have a long list of 6'6-6'8, 270-pound professional athletes with the agility and speed of NFL wide-receivers?


Bully for that motherf*cker. He's a big man blessed with fast-twitch muscle. If you wish to address other attributes which would make up a great athlete like endurance, balance, strength to weight ratio, VO2, etc. I don't think he would even be in the same ball park as say Ueli Steck. (Warning: Awful music alert.)

Are we using Hemingway's definition of sport and thus athlete in this holy contrived discussion?
 
2012-06-25 03:59:45 PM  

keylock71: NutznGum: Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.

Yeah, but he'd just drive a big, slow car, never win any races, or battle for position in the corners...


Well played.
 
2012-06-25 04:00:32 PM  

IAmRight: You're completely making up statements I never made and arguing against them, so no, I'm not. What you think I'm saying is wrong, but I didn't say that.


IAmRight: How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?


One. Hockey players regularly catch the puck and drop it the floor so as not to carry it.

IAmRight: Getting hit with a puck? That's voluntary - you can play through that because you still have control of your entire body

Two. Getting hit with a puck in the face makes you lose temporary control of sight and breathing considering the pain it can cause. Yet, players shake it off and play through the pain.

IAmRight: Honestly, it's because of the knees and legs - you need 'em in the NBA and jumping kills 'em. It's not like they're cars where you can just replace the suspension. Hockey is more violent, yes, but it doesn't have the repetitive stressors that basketball does.

Three. You have to constantly peddle your feet in order to skate, change direction, skate backwards, stop, sprint from the stopped position to the spot on the ice where the puck is.

Ah, ha ha. Three separate counts where you fail to understand the physics involved in hockey and in fact, you write them off as being incidental.
 
2012-06-25 04:00:38 PM  

IAmRight: WhiskeySticks: Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series

Even though it was on NBC.


Talkin the whole series, Chachi. Game 4 was not, it was on the NBC Sports Network.
 
2012-06-25 04:01:22 PM  
Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.
 
2012-06-25 04:01:33 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.


Sorry, so many similarly-minded retards.

It doesn't change the fact that you're claiming to determine someone's toughness via their job.
 
2012-06-25 04:02:05 PM  
I like hockey a lot....more into NHL than NBA now....but crapping on LeBron because of cramps is weak.

Even the best hockey players rarely go 30 mins in a 60 min game....jeez...most hockey players rarely go 5 mins consecutive in a game. Line Change. I am sure LBJ went at least 40 min in every Finals game

Oh, and lest not forget the TV/Media breaks every 4 min for hockey games. Even the minor leagues in the US have them. Even the Olympics and Intl hockey covertly have them....they clean up the ice around the goal every 7-8 min of clock time

In fact, anyone truly following hockey has to be embarrassed by these comments. And, you know the NBA guys get a kick outta "what, hockeyguy get replaced after 2 minutes on ice"
 
2012-06-25 04:03:48 PM  

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.

Sorry, so many similarly-minded retards.

It doesn't change the fact that you're claiming to determine someone's toughness via their job.


No, I'm countering uneducated bullshiat with facts. You're having a tantrum and holding your breath until someone pays notice.
 
2012-06-25 04:05:18 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Sounds like the people who watch and play hockey are tougher than the people who watch and play other sports and could easily take those pussies in a fight.

Fortunately for me, I play Extreme Nut Kicking, so I can assure you that people like me are even more masculine and tougher than the people who watch and play hockey. No doubt about it.
 
2012-06-25 04:05:19 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.
 
2012-06-25 04:06:01 PM  

Gunderson: Don't the WBA players play through their cramps on a monthly basis?


This needs to be on every page.
 
2012-06-25 04:06:43 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: One. Hockey players regularly catch the puck and drop it the floor so as not to carry it.


Regularly? This happens less than once per game per player.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Two. Getting hit with a puck in the face makes you lose temporary control of sight and breathing considering the pain it can cause. Yet, players shake it off and play through the pain.


Not effectively - and it doesn't prevent you from playing, as evidenced by them playing through it.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Three. You have to constantly peddle your feet in order to skate, change direction, skate backwards, stop, sprint from the stopped position to the spot on the ice where the puck is.


Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Probably because they're already on the bench, so you wouldn't notice if they weren't out there anyway. And because one hockey player (exception: goalie) doesn't matter that much. It's why you can have a power play.
 
2012-06-25 04:07:00 PM  

IAmRight: First of all, the play would be stopped because the team would call a timeout. You can't afford to play 5-on-4 for more than a possession in basketball, because people score consistently.


Hockey only gets three timeouts a game. There is more strategy in calling them. Hockey often plays 6-5 when a goalie is pulled not to mention 5-3 depending on the penalty. Yes, they are different sports, yet hockey seems to show more gumption towards play. Not eight time-outs to advance the ball to center-ice, or calling time-out to keep possession because it might be ripped away from you.

Come on Mr. Attack, debate me without the "jesus, you're stupid line". You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.

you have pee hands: I'm sure Mr. Traffic Cone there has a very high tolerance for pain but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the sport that they don't stop to get an obviously injured player off the ice. There's no way to be of much use to your team lying prone on a basketball court and anyway they'd just stop play.


It's not a ringing endorsement of fairness or civility which I contend shows how much tougher a hockey player has to be. But it is telling that refs don't automatically buy every flop and dropped player as they do in basketball. Or perhaps we should ask Dwayne Wade about his eye?
 
2012-06-25 04:08:52 PM  

boozehat: ongbok: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.

Once.


THIS. Thing about hockey is it is not all that uncommon for a player to get really hurt and keep going.
 
2012-06-25 04:10:06 PM  

FreakinB: SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.

Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.


There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.
 
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