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2012-06-25 10:23:01 AM
Damn, that is some high quality hating.
 
2012-06-25 10:29:40 AM
if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players
 
2012-06-25 10:31:56 AM
So the hockey players are bagging on LeBron for "selling an injury", as the people in the Predetermined business call it?

/Waiting for the day when the NBA players start blading
 
2012-06-25 10:33:03 AM
What I love about this link: It's a Fark link to a local New York Fox affiliate linking to a NY Post story linking to a CBS Boston story that got its info from @RearAdBsBlog.

Also, does it surprise anyone that professional hockey players think that other athletes are pussies?
 
2012-06-25 10:33:05 AM

animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players


I would add rugby players to that list.
 
2012-06-25 10:33:18 AM
i have no idea what the context was or if he was joking, but didn't lebron james say that he was too tough to get a concussion. does that mean that muhammad ali was a total pussy?
 
2012-06-25 10:34:12 AM
i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.
 
2012-06-25 10:34:41 AM

animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players


So much this.
 
2012-06-25 10:34:55 AM

meanmutton: What I love about this link: It's a Fark link to a local New York Fox affiliate linking to a NY Post story linking to a CBS Boston story that got its info from @RearAdBsBlog.

Also, does it surprise anyone that professional hockey players think that other athletes are pussies?


You forgot to add that it's 5 days old too.
 
2012-06-25 10:35:51 AM

soopey: meanmutton: What I love about this link: It's a Fark link to a local New York Fox affiliate linking to a NY Post story linking to a CBS Boston story that got its info from @RearAdBsBlog.

Also, does it surprise anyone that professional hockey players think that other athletes are pussies?

You forgot to add that it's 5 days old too.


Well you can forgive that... it takes time to rewrite someone else's non-story.
 
2012-06-25 10:36:47 AM

toddism: //hockey - it aint for wusses.


No doubt. Last year I saw a game where a defenseman had to throw down a broken stick, there was only him between the puck and the goalie, and he blocked three successive slappers with his torso.

ugh.
 
2012-06-25 10:36:57 AM
I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA
 
2012-06-25 10:38:38 AM
Updated: Jun 20, 2012 8:55 PM

Source: New York Post
MIAMI -- Hockey players have taken to Twitter to fire a few slapshots at LeBron James, ripping into the Heat star about the leg cramps he suffered in Game 4 against the Thunder.



i've been noticing lately how Sports tab gets olllllllllllllld stories. i was saying just a couple of days ago, a story was posted about soemthing that happened in Game 2, the night I think Game 5 was being played. i think as an aggregator, the mindset would be to post stories on a general 24 hour time window, not something from 5 days ago.

ehhh. just my opinion.

/tomorrow: breaking news, Roger Clemens acquitted!
 
2012-06-25 10:39:39 AM

toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.


You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.
 
2012-06-25 10:40:10 AM

animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players


well that and the fact that lebron, the nba, media, or someone were pretending he might have difficulty playing in game 5 due farking cramps in game 4. i mean, that's just complete horseshiat. they're farking cramps...that storyline needed to never have existed.
 
2012-06-25 10:40:13 AM

balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA


Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.
 
2012-06-25 10:40:34 AM
It has nothing to do with toughness. When your muscles cramp they just won't respond, period.
 
2012-06-25 10:42:37 AM

ongbok: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.


Or gets stitches in the face and comes back.
 
2012-06-25 10:42:49 AM

meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.


But they do it in shifts. Nobody in hockey is playing most of the game, or even half the game. Plus it's not like you're going to glide on a basketball court.

/fan of both, but hockey a bit more
 
2012-06-25 10:43:43 AM

toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.


I think it was two years ago when Mike Knuble took a slapshot to the face, got his jaw wired shut in intermission and then finished the game. I think they showed him getting it done or getting it removed in the winter classic 24/7 of that year.

Its also not an uncommon site to see a hockey player get hit in the face with a puck, pull out his broken tooth and keep playing. Those guys are tough.
 
2012-06-25 10:44:34 AM

meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.


Um, no its more like 20 when you account for the 4 lines. Besides how do you account for the fact that NHL players can regularly play into their 40s (or almost their 50s if your name is Chris Chelios) whereas its almost unheard of in the NBA? Your conditioning falls off way quicker than your ability to take a hit.
 
2012-06-25 10:48:03 AM
Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....
 
2012-06-25 10:49:35 AM

FreakinB: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

But they do it in shifts. Nobody in hockey is playing most of the game, or even half the game. Plus it's not like you're going to glide on a basketball court.

/fan of both, but hockey a bit more


I don't think it's a "I'm a fan of X versus Y" thing at all but I think you're downplaying a bit what kind of condition professional hockey players are in.

Absolutely, they can't make a fade-away three point shot with a defender's hand in their face any more than a basketball player could hit a 90 MPH slap-shot from the point and tuck it into a 4" x 4" spot. Those are areas where they've certainly got substantial differences in skills.

However, when it comes to conditioning -- hockey players and basketball players are both in incredible physical shape. The "sprinting for 40 minutes four nights a week" thing is something that professional caliber players in either sport can routinely do.
 
2012-06-25 10:51:15 AM

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....


I know it's not exactly fair but until the work of one logger generates as much revenue as the work of one professional athlete, that's a meaningless point.
 
2012-06-25 10:52:48 AM

balki1867: Besides how do you account for the fact that NHL players can regularly play into their 40s (or almost their 50s if your name is Chris Chelios) whereas its almost unheard of in the NBA?


Honestly, it's because of the knees and legs - you need 'em in the NBA and jumping kills 'em. It's not like they're cars where you can just replace the suspension. Hockey is more violent, yes, but it doesn't have the repetitive stressors that basketball does.

Also, playing through cramps is how you tear muscles. It would have been stupid and irresponsible for him to try to play the entire rest of the game with cramping quads - he'd have been a liability on defense and unable to compete at a high level on offense. He made the correct move for his team to get out of the game and even managed to score five points with little to no exertion because the Thunder played stupidly.

Getting hit with a puck? That's voluntary - you can play through that because you still have control of your entire body. Cramps are an involuntary action - hockey players aren't out there playing while their legs are cramping, and if they are, they're not effective.
 
2012-06-25 10:52:58 AM
Bobby Baun. That is all.
 
2012-06-25 10:53:27 AM

balki1867: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

Um, no its more like 20 when you account for the 4 lines. Besides how do you account for the fact that NHL players can regularly play into their 40s (or almost their 50s if your name is Chris Chelios) whereas its almost unheard of in the NBA? Your conditioning falls off way quicker than your ability to take a hit.


Basketball players are unnaturally tall and their bodies break down earlier. Where did you get the idea that it had anything to do with conditioning?
 
2012-06-25 10:53:27 AM

meanmutton: I don't think it's a "I'm a fan of X versus Y" thing at all but I think you're downplaying a bit what kind of condition professional hockey players are in


I'm not downplaying it at all. I'm just saying that each sport requires a different pattern of exertion. Overall it's probably about equal.
 
2012-06-25 10:53:49 AM
Eric Belanger is tough.
 
2012-06-25 10:55:08 AM

facisto: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

I think it was two years ago when Mike Knuble took a slapshot to the face, got his jaw wired shut in intermission and then finished the game. I think they showed him getting it done or getting it removed in the winter classic 24/7 of that year.

Its also not an uncommon site to see a hockey player get hit in the face with a puck, pull out his broken tooth and keep playing. Those guys are tough.


Even the refs are tough.
 
2012-06-25 10:55:50 AM
Apparently, they are all Farkers. That is definitely some Fark-level LeBron hate.

/Hockey players obviously tougher than basketball players
//But no one is playing through real cramping...
 
2012-06-25 10:56:50 AM
Chelios was a bit of a freak though. I remember reading stories of professional athletes joining him in the off-season to train when he was in his 40's and being destroyed by his regimen.

I honestly think the reason hockey players can play into their 40's (assuming they keep up on their conditioning) is that skating is easier on the body than running/jumping. Pounding up and down a hardwood floor is a lot harder on the joints than gliding around on ice. Unless you get injured in a bad play (knee on knee hit or something), taking a few clean body checks a night isn't going to do nearly the long term damage that other sports tend to cause. And while conditioning does fall off, for those that are willing to accept fewer minutes teams can accommodate that fact by sticking them in the 3rd or 4th line, extending their career.

That said, the top conditioned hockey players would be able to, I suspect, keep up fine for a game of basketball, or soccer, or most sports in terms of conditioning.
 
2012-06-25 10:57:57 AM
Blake Wheeler is the most "notable" person quoted in that article. A small handful of hockey nobodies talking sh*t on Twitter isn't exactly the most newsworthy thing in the world.
 
2012-06-25 10:59:14 AM

js34603: /Hockey players obviously tougher than basketball players


I dunno about that - it's not like you can say "oh, they wouldn't play through getting hit with a puck"...if a basketball player gets hit with a puck in the middle of a game, there's something seriously wrong. There's a lot of physicality in basketball.
 
2012-06-25 11:00:38 AM

Hardy-r-r: animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players

I would add rugby players to that list.


I've played hockey since I was 6, and I can say those rugby players are farking NUTS.
 
2012-06-25 11:03:56 AM

meanmutton: FreakinB: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

But they do it in shifts. Nobody in hockey is playing most of the game, or even half the game. Plus it's not like you're going to glide on a basketball court.

/fan of both, but hockey a bit more

I don't think it's a "I'm a fan of X versus Y" thing at all but I think you're downplaying a bit what kind of condition professional hockey players are in.

Absolutely, they can't make a fade-away three point shot with a defender's hand in their face any more than a basketball player could hit a 90 MPH slap-shot from the point and tuck it into a 4" x 4" spot. Those are areas where they've certainly got substantial differences in skills.

However, when it comes to conditioning -- hockey players and basketball players are both in incredible physical shape. The "sprinting for 40 minutes four nights a week" thing is something that professional caliber players in either sport can routinely do.


It wasn't my intention to downplay NHL players. I'm just saying that your conditioning can fall off a little but you can contribute in other ways and be valuable to a roster. That's why consistently guys can play into their early 40s and still be great

In the NBA, once your conditioning falls off, you are toast.

Again, I'm not saying NHL players aren't tough or unathletic. I'm just saying the particular players who sent those tweets are idiots.
 
2012-06-25 11:05:37 AM
Um, don't NBA players take elbows and stuff to the face? And, far be it for me to play a doctor on T.V., but wouldn't having a leg cramp prevent you from running? And running is pretty much all you do in basketball. I can see where getting your teef knocked out would hurt, but unless people start staking or handle thier sticks with thier face, it's kind of a different situation.
 
2012-06-25 11:11:31 AM

AppleOptionEsc: but wouldn't having a leg cramp prevent you from running? And running is pretty much all you do in basketball


Yes, that's why it's stupid.

Also, maybe he was reacting excessively because, oh, I dunno, his body chose late in a close, critical game of the FINALS to cramp up? That might have amplified the pain of the cramp just a little, knowing that he couldn't go out and finish an important game off with his team.
 
2012-06-25 11:15:41 AM

IAmRight: Getting hit with a puck? That's voluntary - you can play through that because you still have control of your entire body. Cramps are an involuntary action - hockey players aren't out there playing while their legs are cramping, and if they are, they're not effective.


It's no more voluntary than taking a charge. The players that throw caution to the wind do so because it is their job, just like the center and forwards that jump up and down.

Also, are we not going to discuss the goalies that have to maintain flexibility and endure cramping positions especially while defending a goal while sometimes not being able to see the object coming at them at 90 miles an hour?

Cramping is usually a result of poor maintenance on the body. Proper stretching and hydration ensures that cramping should not happen in a game setting especially when you have someone that plays 40+ minutes a game. The question should be why is LeBron so prone to cramping since it happens a few times a season.
 
2012-06-25 11:16:56 AM
Don't the WBA players play through their cramps on a monthly basis?
 
2012-06-25 11:17:05 AM
Is "hater" the super-ouchie name you call someone if they don't cry when you call them a "meanie"?

/nyah-nyah
 
2012-06-25 11:20:20 AM

Bobo_Spiewack: Hardy-r-r: animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players

I would add rugby players to that list.

I've played hockey since I was 6, and I can say those rugby players are farking NUTS.


To be fair, rugby players are generally drunk, which dulls both pain and the sane parts of you that tell you to not play rugby.
 
2012-06-25 11:20:26 AM

balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace dragging Walton and Lanier up and down the court for for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.


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2012-06-25 11:21:17 AM
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2012-06-25 11:23:30 AM
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2012-06-25 11:25:41 AM
New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....

QFT
 
2012-06-25 11:26:55 AM
NBA is full of floppers and divas. Play the game and actually put on an outstanding performance and you won't have to fake injuries to create a narrative.
 
2012-06-25 11:27:04 AM
Diving/flopping/simulating injuries happes as much in the NHL as it does in the NBA

A cramp /strain injury is more dibiliating to a basketball player than a hockey player because it's easier to hide your injury in hockey. Like a Linebacker in football may be able to play with a calf strain, but a cornerback would be useless.
 
2012-06-25 11:28:03 AM
Heh... kind of funny.

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2012-06-25 11:28:58 AM
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These guys know how deadly a cramp can be
 
2012-06-25 11:29:48 AM

IAmRight: js34603: /Hockey players obviously tougher than basketball players

I dunno about that - it's not like you can say "oh, they wouldn't play through getting hit with a puck"...if a basketball player gets hit with a puck in the middle of a game, there's something seriously wrong. There's a lot of physicality in basketball.


There is physicality in basketball. Lot of jostling for position and bumping into each other while driving or going for rebounds. But until it is legal in basketball to crush your opponent into a wall or simply lay him out in the middle of the court, or to actually engage in a fist fight withouth being suspended I think hockey players are tougher.

Not that basketball players are not tough, just that sport isn't as physical as hockey.
 
2012-06-25 11:30:14 AM

facisto: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

I think it was two years ago when Mike Knuble took a slapshot to the face, got his jaw wired shut in intermission and then finished the game. I think they showed him getting it done or getting it removed in the winter classic 24/7 of that year.

Its also not an uncommon site to see a hockey player get hit in the face with a puck, pull out his broken tooth and keep playing. Those guys are tough.


Hockey, so easy you can play with your jaw wired shut.
 
2012-06-25 11:30:36 AM
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2012-06-25 11:32:10 AM

meanmutton: Basketball players are unnaturally tall and their bodies break down earlier. Where did you get the idea that it had anything to do with conditioning?


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2012-06-25 11:33:26 AM
FreakinB

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....

I know it's not exactly fair but until the work of one logger generates as much revenue as the work of one professional athlete, that's a meaningless point.


Let's see...food, clothing, shelter versus entertainment. Yeah, you're so right...silly me...so I guess you can eat money?
 
2012-06-25 11:37:23 AM
3, 4 times a game you'll see a stick come up near the face of a hockey player and their head flies back and stick goes flying and gloves go flying as the player grabs his face and crumples to the floor trying to draw a penalty.

3 out of 4 times the guy barely got hit and has no evidence om his face of any contact.
 
2012-06-25 11:40:36 AM

New Age Redneck: FreakinB

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....

I know it's not exactly fair but until the work of one logger generates as much revenue as the work of one professional athlete, that's a meaningless point.

Let's see...food, clothing, shelter versus entertainment. Yeah, you're so right...silly me...so I guess you can eat money?


I'm not saying it's necessarily the way it *should* be, just that the way that it *is*. Also, there are far more people qualified to be a logger/farmer/fisherman/etc. than there are people qualified to be a professional athlete.

Unless you can wave a magic wand and change the supply and demand, and/or the entertainment preferences of society at large, then complaints about how much money athletes make will remain useless platitudes.
 
2012-06-25 11:41:27 AM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Also, are we not going to discuss the goalies that have to maintain flexibility and endure cramping positions especially while defending a goal while sometimes not being able to see the object coming at them at 90 miles an hour?


The ones that stand around for 80-90% of the game and are covered from head to foot in padding? You're going to say that they're tougher? Okay.

I guess hockey fans really need to convince themselves of things like this because they have no sense of self-worth or toughness of their own.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Proper stretching and hydration ensures that cramping should not happen in a game


Unfortunately, players don't get to have access to water/Gatorade every 40 seconds or so like an NHL player does.

js34603: But until it is legal in basketball to crush your opponent into a wall or simply lay him out in the middle of the court, or to actually engage in a fist fight withouth being suspended I think hockey players are tougher.


So NHL players are tougher because there are rules or structural differences in the way the sport is set up (no walls) that prohibit NBA players from doing anything that NHL players are allowed to do. That makes sense.
 
2012-06-25 11:49:36 AM

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....


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that's the way you do it,
you dribble a ball in the N-B-A
 
2012-06-25 11:56:22 AM

New Age Redneck: FreakinB

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....

I know it's not exactly fair but until the work of one logger generates as much revenue as the work of one professional athlete, that's a meaningless point.

Let's see...food, clothing, shelter versus entertainment. Yeah, you're so right...silly me...so I guess you can eat money?


Do you not understand capitalism and supply and demand? I hate how much they get paid as much as the next person, but seriously, they make a lot of money for a lot of people and they are rewarded (in context) properly for it.

And a lot of people don't know how much effort it takes to get to that level. Yeah, some of them are dumb as rocks, but they knew what their skills were so they developed them. It takes a lot of work and destroys the body slowly and they don't usually work into their 40s. It's a tough gig.
 
2012-06-25 12:12:21 PM
Pretty much across the board, people who use the word "hater" casually are complete assholes.
 
2012-06-25 12:13:03 PM
toobsok


New Age Redneck: FreakinB

New Age Redneck: Then there are loggers, farmers, fishermen, roughnecks, miners, Chinese kids chained to tables making your running shoes, etc... who are thinking, "all of you f*ckers get paid way too much money to play children's games".....

I know it's not exactly fair but until the work of one logger generates as much revenue as the work of one professional athlete, that's a meaningless point.

Let's see...food, clothing, shelter versus entertainment. Yeah, you're so right...silly me...so I guess you can eat money?

Do you not understand capitalism and supply and demand? I hate how much they get paid as much as the next person, but seriously, they make a lot of money for a lot of people and they are rewarded (in context) properly for it.

And a lot of people don't know how much effort it takes to get to that level. Yeah, some of them are dumb as rocks, but they knew what their skills were so they developed them. It takes a lot of work and destroys the body slowly and they don't usually work into their 40s. It's a tough gig.


My point is that some pro athlete whining about a cramp is pathetic. I've seen blue collar folks work through way worse for way less.....

I disagree that millions of dollars a year is reasonable payment for any athlete.
 
2012-06-25 12:16:40 PM

New Age Redneck: I've seen blue collar folks work through way worse for way less.....


Tons of blue collar folks also milk workers compensation benefits and disability checks with no injury at all.

Not to mention those blue collar folks aren't pushing their bodies to the limits like most pro atheltes are doing every day.
 
2012-06-25 12:18:05 PM

New Age Redneck: My point is that some pro athlete whining about a cramp is pathetic. I've seen blue collar folks work through way worse for way less.....

I disagree that millions of dollars a year is reasonable payment for any athlete.


You're hurting your team if you can't move your legs right, and if you have quad cramps you can't move your legs right.

Would you rather then owners make the extra millions than the players? Those guys aren't exactly hurting, either.
 
2012-06-25 12:22:39 PM
Seriously, who are these people that are going through cramps? You can play through a broken leg - you can't play through a cramp. When your job requires you to be in full control of all your movements, your leg randomly deciding to do what it wants to do means you're f*cked until the cramps go away.

It was really stupid for people to act like cramps would carry over two days. But acting like you can play through cramping legs in a sport where you're required to use your legs repetitively and explosively is pants-on-head retarded. Which I suppose is why I shouldn't be surprised that a lot of hockey fans seem not to understand it.
 
2012-06-25 12:24:55 PM

you have pee hands: Would you rather then owners make the extra millions than the players? Those guys aren't exactly hurting, either.


And hey, if you want to watch players that don't get paid, you can watch a local pickup game at the rec league.
 
2012-06-25 12:33:28 PM

IAmRight: Seriously, who are these people that are going through cramps? You can play through a broken leg - you can't play through a cramp. When your job requires you to be in full control of all your movements, your leg randomly deciding to do what it wants to do means you're f*cked until the cramps go away.

It was really stupid for people to act like cramps would carry over two days. But acting like you can play through cramping legs in a sport where you're required to use your legs repetitively and explosively is pants-on-head retarded. Which I suppose is why I shouldn't be surprised that a lot of hockey fans seem not to understand it.


Shouldn't you be at the Heat victory parade today with your lips applied to Lebron's shlong?
 
2012-06-25 12:39:16 PM

fatalvenom: Shouldn't you be at the Heat victory parade today with your lips applied to Lebron's shlong?


We have enough people offering their services for that. Someone however should be offering to duct tape Mike Miller back together.
 
2012-06-25 12:39:25 PM

Gunderson: Don't the WBA players play through their cramps on a monthly basis?


^^^ This post needs more love ^^^
 
2012-06-25 12:40:07 PM
thecapslock.files.wordpress.com

That is all
 
2012-06-25 12:40:38 PM

ongbok: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.


Wow, an elbow bonk to the face is almost exactly the same as a point blank slapshot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHkWqV_yis&feature=player_embedded.
 
2012-06-25 12:44:44 PM

fatalvenom: Shouldn't you be at the Heat victory parade today with your lips applied to Lebron's shlong?


What's with your fixation with his dick? You constantly bring it into every conversation.
 
2012-06-25 12:45:24 PM

IAmRight: It was really stupid for people to act like cramps would carry over two days. But acting like you can play through cramping legs in a sport where you're required to use your legs repetitively and explosively is pants-on-head retarded. Which I suppose is why I shouldn't be surprised that a lot of hockey fans seem not to understand it.


I was wondering a bit what the recovery time would be like. When I get cramps, I'm prone to getting cramps the same place for a couple days if I push because the muscle is still sore as hell. Of course, I'm not a pro athlete and I don't have a masseuse on call and access to a pro medical staff. I knew he'd be able to play, but I wasn't sure if he'd be able to play 45 minutes at the same frantic pace as normal, especially on defense.
 
2012-06-25 12:47:44 PM
What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.
 
2012-06-25 12:49:24 PM

you have pee hands: but I wasn't sure if he'd be able to play 45 minutes at the same frantic pace as normal, especially on defense.


Yeah, you're more likely to get 'em and I could see a potential mental issue in that he might worry about it (though that's probably unlikely in a potential championship-clinching game for his first title ever). But some media outlets were acting as though there were any chance he wouldn't play or something like that, which is ridiculous.
 
2012-06-25 12:49:43 PM

R66YRobo: Chelios was a bit of a freak though. I remember reading stories of professional athletes joining him in the off-season to train when he was in his 40's and being destroyed by his regimen.


It's because of all the coke.
 
2012-06-25 12:53:30 PM
Having a reall hard time finding a fark to give over here
 
2012-06-25 12:53:32 PM

IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.


Hockey pros are generally nice and approachable off the ice (in part because they're less heavily marketed and recognizable in most social settings, and therefore less jaded about being a "celebrity"), so you're probably right, but it has less to do with physical intimidation.
 
2012-06-25 12:54:57 PM

IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.


Guessing that's because most are conditioned to fear large black men.
 
2012-06-25 12:55:03 PM

IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.


Very true... I don't see the average hockey player easily taking a charge from LeBron.

Dion Phaneuf is considered a big hitter, he's 6'3, 215lb.

Lebron is 6'8, 250 and is very fast.
 
2012-06-25 12:55:54 PM

you have pee hands: Would you rather then owners make the extra millions than the players? Those guys aren't exactly hurting, either.


This. Of course professional athletes get paid too much, but if they all topped out at $100k a year from now on, the owners would just pocket a few billion more. Never in a million years would ticket prices go down or that savings otherwise be passed on to the consumer.
 
2012-06-25 12:59:57 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: Never in a million years would ticket prices go down or that savings otherwise be passed on to the consumer.


I feel like they would make it a little cheaper, just so they're protected in case salaries went up again, fans remember that they lowered the price when the players took less and so their claims of "we'll have to raise prices" will hit a more solidly.

They won't lower them nearly as much as they're saving, but if you lower prices $1, you can say you lowered 'em. Sure, some people on the internet will call you out, but you and the media are so intertwined that they're not going to run the actual information.
 
2012-06-25 01:02:05 PM

WhiskeySticks: Guessing that's because most are conditioned to fear large black men.


Sir Charles?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-25 01:03:03 PM
i hope these guys never see a soccer game. twitter might just explode the internet.
 
2012-06-25 01:05:39 PM

ongbok: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.


Once.
 
2012-06-25 01:10:07 PM

MugzyBrown: IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.

Very true... I don't see the average hockey player easily taking a charge from LeBron.

Dion Phaneuf is considered a big hitter, he's 6'3, 215lb.

Lebron is 6'8, 250 and is very fast.


img814.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-25 01:11:40 PM
'Baun is remembered for his performance in game six of the 1963-64 NHL season Stanley Cup finals against the Detroit Red Wings. On April 23, 1964, having broken his leg earlier in the game, he returned in overtime and scored the game winning goal.'
 
2012-06-25 01:11:50 PM

rickythepenguin: Updated: Jun 20, 2012 8:55 PM

Source: New York Post
MIAMI -- Hockey players have taken to Twitter to fire a few slapshots at LeBron James, ripping into the Heat star about the leg cramps he suffered in Game 4 against the Thunder.


i've been noticing lately how Sports tab gets olllllllllllllld stories. i was saying just a couple of days ago, a story was posted about soemthing that happened in Game 2, the night I think Game 5 was being played. i think as an aggregator, the mindset would be to post stories on a general 24 hour time window, not something from 5 days ago.

ehhh. just my opinion.

/tomorrow: breaking news, Roger Clemens acquitted!


i156.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-25 01:16:35 PM
NutznGum:
[img814.imageshack.us image 315x275]

1) Chara isn't really a big hitter, he's just big.
2) Chara's athletic abilities are more on par with Gheorghe Muresan than Lebron James.
 
2012-06-25 01:17:23 PM

NutznGum: MugzyBrown: IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.

Very true... I don't see the average hockey player easily taking a charge from LeBron.

Dion Phaneuf is considered a big hitter, he's 6'3, 215lb.

Lebron is 6'8, 250 and is very fast.

[img814.imageshack.us image 315x275]


3.bp.blogspot.com

"Puny LeBron no match for Chara!!"
 
2012-06-25 01:21:47 PM

MugzyBrown: IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.

Very true... I don't see the average hockey player easily taking a charge from LeBron.

Dion Phaneuf is considered a big hitter, he's 6'3, 215lb.

Lebron is 6'8, 250 and is very fast.


At 6'8" he would be upwards of 7' with skates on, also wearing another 30lbs of gear. It would make him quite unstable. Having a low center of gravity, combined with lower body strength is much more advantageous in terms of body checking than just height and mass. Also pretty certain Dion Phaneuf skates much better than Lebron.

An couple examples of this theory:

Stephen Gionta (5'7" 185lb) vs Colin Fraser (6'1" 193lb)

Steve Sullivan (5'8" 160lb) vs Brandon Dubinsky (6'1" 210lb) - not a crushing hit, but a hit
 
2012-06-25 01:23:04 PM
lolz look at the Americans fighting over two Canadian made sports
 
2012-06-25 01:23:06 PM

meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.


You forgot the part where they get subbed out every 85 seconds cause they're winded.

/don't mind hockey
//their fans, however...
 
2012-06-25 01:23:31 PM

MugzyBrown: NutznGum:
[img814.imageshack.us image 315x275]

1) Chara isn't really a big hitter, he's just big.
2) Chara's athletic abilities are more on par with Gheorghe Muresan than Lebron James.


Pacioretty would disagree....

And so would Grabovski

Link
 
2012-06-25 01:27:28 PM
Chara vs. Koci

I LOVE this sequence. You can see Chara push Koci all the way through both lines along the boards, wrap him up and start landing blows. He took a solid punch, gets up and finshes Koci off..... and the announcer is just awesome:

Link
 
2012-06-25 01:27:38 PM

regindyn: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

You forgot the part where they get subbed out every 85 seconds cause they're winded.

/don't mind hockey
//their fans, however...


You've obviously never played hockey before. Not that Basketball doesn't have it's physical demands, but there really is no comparison to skating at that level for any sustained amount of time.
 
2012-06-25 01:30:57 PM

SultanofSchwing: Also pretty certain Dion Phaneuf skates much better than Lebron.


Because skating on a rink is a much more likely place that the two would run into one another, not the 99% of time people are in public where they're wearing shoes and on normal ground.

Both sets of athletes would get clowned on the others' turf. And all these tough hitters would start looking pretty soft trying to take charges or if they got hit while trying to make a layup.
 
2012-06-25 01:31:25 PM

boozehat: MugzyBrown: NutznGum:
[img814.imageshack.us image 315x275]

1) Chara isn't really a big hitter, he's just big.
2) Chara's athletic abilities are more on par with Gheorghe Muresan than Lebron James.

Pacioretty would disagree....


i.usatoday.net

"Anybody seen a vertebrae lying around here?"
 
2012-06-25 01:31:27 PM

boozehat: Pacioretty would disagree....

And so would Grabovski


Chara uses leverage for his hits, not speed (since he can't really generate any) thus he's not a 'big hitter'.

Chara as an athlete vs lebron is a total joke. Probably the only athletic thing Chara could do better than lebron is ice skate and take a slap shot.

SultanofSchwing: At 6'8" he would be upwards of 7' with skates on, also wearing another 30lbs of gear. It would make him quite unstable. Having a low center of gravity, combined with lower body strength is much more advantageous in terms of body checking than just height and mass. Also pretty certain Dion Phaneuf skates much better than Lebron.


"Taking a charge" is a basketball term. They don't play basketball on skates.

My point is Dion Phaneuf standing in the lane would get bulldozed by Lebron.. if he had the nerve to stand there.
 
2012-06-25 01:33:00 PM
Lebron is a jackass though

ive seen him interupt a teammates interview, crowded the guy out and then start talking about himself
 
2012-06-25 01:33:26 PM

SultanofSchwing: You've obviously never played hockey before.


The point is that they don't play for 60 minutes/game. They play 15-18 minutes/game (wings/centers) and 25ish minutes/game (defensemen).

So saying "play 60 minutes/game" isn't an accurate representation of what said athletes are doing. If you're going to misrepresent everything, just don't bother even pretending like your opinion is worth voicing.
 
2012-06-25 01:36:31 PM

MugzyBrown: NutznGum:
[img814.imageshack.us image 315x275]

1) Chara isn't really a big hitter, he's just big.
2) Chara's athletic abilities are more on par with Gheorghe Muresan than Lebron James.


1) Pacioretty, Graboviski, throwing 6'2, 223lb Bryan McCabe around like a ragdoll
2) Norris trophy winner, Messier trophy winner, Stanley Cup winner, hardest slapshot in the world. Gheorghe Muresan? I had to google him.
 
2012-06-25 01:39:08 PM

MugzyBrown: boozehat: Pacioretty would disagree....

And so would Grabovski

Chara uses leverage for his hits, not speed (since he can't really generate any) thus he's not a 'big hitter'.

Chara as an athlete vs lebron is a total joke. Probably the only athletic thing Chara could do better than lebron is ice skate and take a slap shot.

SultanofSchwing: At 6'8" he would be upwards of 7' with skates on, also wearing another 30lbs of gear. It would make him quite unstable. Having a low center of gravity, combined with lower body strength is much more advantageous in terms of body checking than just height and mass. Also pretty certain Dion Phaneuf skates much better than Lebron.

"Taking a charge" is a basketball term. They don't play basketball on skates.

My point is Dion Phaneuf standing in the lane would get bulldozed by Lebron.. if he had the nerve to stand there.


Would Lebron stand in the way of this?
 
2012-06-25 01:39:22 PM

NutznGum: 1) Pacioretty, Graboviski, throwing 6'2, 223lb Bryan McCabe around like a ragdoll


Your not understanding physics does not make it not exist.

2) Gheorghe Muresan? I had to google him.

Your knowledge being limited to hockey does not improve your argument.
 
2012-06-25 01:41:40 PM

MugzyBrown: Chara as an athlete vs lebron is a total joke. Probably the only athletic thing Chara could do better than lebron is ice skate and take a slap shot.


I don't know about that... Chara could probably beat him in a bicycle race, climbing a mountain, and, based on his work-out regime, I'm guessing he could probably beat Lebron at just about everything except basketball.

Chara seems like a far more well rounded athlete than LeBron, at any rate.
 
2012-06-25 01:42:09 PM
Would Lebron stand in the way of this?

Sauer didn't stand in the way of that.. he was hit with his head down. Dion Phaneuf being a cheap shot artist doesn't make him tough.

Standing in the way of a charge is a conscious decision to not move and absorb the full contact without protecting yourself.
 
2012-06-25 01:43:47 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: You've obviously never played hockey before.

The point is that they don't play for 60 minutes/game. They play 15-18 minutes/game (wings/centers) and 25ish minutes/game (defensemen).

So saying "play 60 minutes/game" isn't an accurate representation of what said athletes are doing. If you're going to misrepresent everything, just don't bother even pretending like your opinion is worth voicing.


Where did I misrepresent? Clearly you knew what they were referring to. Just arguing semantics.

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Also pretty certain Dion Phaneuf skates much better than Lebron.

Because skating on a rink is a much more likely place that the two would run into one another, not the 99% of time people are in public where they're wearing shoes and on normal ground.

Both sets of athletes would get clowned on the others' turf. And all these tough hitters would start looking pretty soft trying to take charges or if they got hit while trying to make a layup.


The difference is in Basketball, you usually get a free throw for your efforts. In hockey you get a band-aid and a "suck it up champ."
 
2012-06-25 01:44:22 PM

MugzyBrown: NutznGum: 1) Pacioretty, Graboviski, throwing 6'2, 223lb Bryan McCabe around like a ragdoll

Your not understanding physics does not make it not exist.

2) Gheorghe Muresan? I had to google him.

Your knowledge being limited to hockey does not improve your argument.


Speaking of limited knowledge....I'm just responding to you saying Chara is 'not a big hitter' and that his talent is on the same level as Muresan, both points are completely wrong.
 
2012-06-25 01:44:28 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: You've obviously never played hockey before.

The point is that they don't play for 60 minutes/game. They play 15-18 minutes/game (wings/centers) and 25ish minutes/game (defensemen).

So saying "play 60 minutes/game" isn't an accurate representation of what said athletes are doing. If you're going to misrepresent everything, just don't bother even pretending like your opinion is worth voicing.


Don't forget, most of the time basketball players are trotting back and forth across the court. Not really running. Plus a rink is over 2x the length and almost 2x the width of a basketball court.
 
2012-06-25 01:44:32 PM
Old stories, headlines clearly showing subby didn't read the articles...it's been a pretty crappy couple days here on the tab, lol.
 
2012-06-25 01:45:46 PM

MugzyBrown: absorb the full contact without protecting yourself.


Well, not really, you protect your nuts and you semi-flop because you don't really want to take the full contact.
 
2012-06-25 01:46:21 PM

MugzyBrown: Would Lebron stand in the way of this?

Sauer didn't stand in the way of that.. he was hit with his head down. Dion Phaneuf being a cheap shot artist doesn't make him tough.

Standing in the way of a charge is a conscious decision to not move and absorb the full contact without protecting yourself.



You're right, being blindsided isn't a fair example:

Here you go.
 
2012-06-25 01:47:32 PM

zippolight2002: Plus a rink is over 2x the length and almost 2x the width of a basketball court.


Gliding across ice is also a far more efficient means of locomotion than running, so the distance isn't that big a deal.
 
2012-06-25 01:48:40 PM

SultanofSchwing: You're right, being blindsided isn't a fair example:


Hey, remember how hard it is to skate? It's pretty easy to knock someone on skates down.
 
2012-06-25 01:49:06 PM

IAmRight: zippolight2002: Plus a rink is over 2x the length and almost 2x the width of a basketball court.

Gliding across ice is also a far more efficient means of locomotion than running, so the distance isn't that big a deal.


Gliding? Really? Another example why it's pretty obvious you've never played hockey before.
 
2012-06-25 01:49:38 PM

MugzyBrown: Would Lebron stand in the way of this?

Sauer didn't stand in the way of that.. he was hit with his head down. Dion Phaneuf being a cheap shot artist doesn't make him tough.

Standing in the way of a charge is a conscious decision to not move and absorb the full contact without protecting yourself.


No penalty on the play, hardly a cheap shot. Even Sauer said it was a clean hit. How fast do you think someone is running in on a charge and how fast do you think a player can skate?

A hockey player can get hit like that every time they step on the ice, they make the conscious decision every shift. And would Lebron dive in front a 100 mph slapshot?
 
2012-06-25 01:50:23 PM

keylock71: I don't know about that... Chara could probably beat him in a bicycle race, climbing a mountain, and, based on his work-out regime, I'm guessing he could probably beat Lebron at just about everything except basketball.


Ummm so he likes to ride his bike a lot. It doesn't say he's a great cyclist.

If you put Lebron in pretty much any athletic event, he would absolutely smoke him. 100m dash, 1,000m, high jump, shotput... assuming they both can swim 100m freestyle.

Chara isn't even particularly gifted at hockey. He skates very well for his size, but to say he skates well for an NHLer would be a joke. He's good enough so that his size and reach become a huge advantage and coordinated enough so that he can use his size to generate a ton of torque on a slap shot.
 
2012-06-25 01:51:10 PM

animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players


No shait, those athletes play with broken bones (literally). I've seen many a time where a player gets multiple teeth knocked out (via puck or stick), gets bandaged or stitched and plays the next damn shift.

No athlete more tough than hockey players...none, no not one.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:01 PM

IAmRight: zippolight2002: Plus a rink is over 2x the length and almost 2x the width of a basketball court.

Gliding across ice is also a far more efficient means of locomotion than running, so the distance isn't that big a deal.


Which means you're travelling faster on skates than you can by running, faster speed = bigger impact.
 
2012-06-25 01:52:05 PM

ontariolightning: Lebron is a jackass though

ive seen him interupt a teammates interview, crowded the guy out and then start talking about himself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saj5HqNyeMI

keylock71: MugzyBrown: Chara as an athlete vs lebron is a total joke. Probably the only athletic thing Chara could do better than lebron is ice skate and take a slap shot.

I don't know about that... Chara could probably beat him in a bicycle race, climbing a mountain, and, based on his work-out regime, I'm guessing he could probably beat Lebron at just about everything except basketball.

Chara seems like a far more well rounded athlete than LeBron, at any rate.


Iguodola was a 6'8 high jumper in high school before he switched to basketball full time. He almost certainly would have cleared 7' if he kept it up in college. LeBron is a comparable leaper. I'd take LeBron over Chara in pretty much anything based on speed, strength, or agility. Endurance, I have no idea. I doubt that's really either guy's forte.

Hockey doesn't attract the best athletes because it's really expensive so lots of people don't get into it and it doesn't reward pure athleticism the same way basketball or football does.
 
2012-06-25 01:53:17 PM

NutznGum: I'm just responding to you saying Chara is 'not a big hitter' and that his talent is on the same level as Muresan


I said Chara's athletic ability is more on par with Muresan than Lebron james. He's obviously good at being a hockey defenseman.

And he's not a big hitter. Do most of his hits come in open ice or by leveraging people against the boards?
 
2012-06-25 01:54:15 PM

you have pee hands: Hockey doesn't attract the best athletes because it's really expensive so lots of people don't get into it and it doesn't reward pure athleticism the same way basketball or football does.


0/10
 
2012-06-25 01:54:50 PM

MugzyBrown: Chara isn't even particularly gifted at hockey.


Lol... OK. Whatever you say, my friend.
 
2012-06-25 01:54:58 PM

NutznGum: Which means you're travelling faster on skates than you can by running, faster speed = bigger impact.


You guys are arguing so many irrelevant points on so many different fronts. Just come up with a particular argument for why NHL players are "tougher" that doesn't involve differences between the sports or arenas that have nothing whatsoever to do with the players.
 
2012-06-25 01:56:10 PM

SultanofSchwing: you have pee hands: Hockey doesn't attract the best athletes because it's really expensive so lots of people don't get into it and it doesn't reward pure athleticism the same way basketball or football does.

0/10


Someone doesn't understand basic economics or probability.
 
2012-06-25 01:56:18 PM

meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.


No f**kin' shait! And then do the same thing for a potential of 28 more games in the playoffs. 48 minutes? You're watching 80% of a real game.

Oh - and don't forget the players (NHL) who get into bare-fisted fights (vs the sissy slap-fests that are the NBA and - really - any other sport).

RIP Probert.
 
2012-06-25 01:57:55 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: you have pee hands: Hockey doesn't attract the best athletes because it's really expensive so lots of people don't get into it and it doesn't reward pure athleticism the same way basketball or football does.

0/10

Someone doesn't understand basic economics or probability.


-1/10

"doesn't reward pure athleticism" lol...what a joke you two are.
 
2012-06-25 01:58:55 PM

meanmutton: FreakinB: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

But they do it in shifts. Nobody in hockey is playing most of the game, or even half the game. Plus it's not like you're going to glide on a basketball court.

/fan of both, but hockey a bit more

I don't think it's a "I'm a fan of X versus Y" thing at all but I think you're downplaying a bit what kind of condition professional hockey players are in.

Absolutely, they can't make a fade-away three point shot with a defender's hand in their face any more than a basketball player could hit a 90 MPH slap-shot from the point and tuck it into a 4" x 4" spot. Those are areas where they've certainly got substantial differences in skills.



That would be a 4' x 6' space - never mind a goalie limiting the potential for a goal to probably 12 square inches of space.
 
2012-06-25 01:58:56 PM
Lol... OK. Whatever you say, my friend.

In the NHL skills competition, what event would Chara do well in other than hardest shot?

Is he a fast skater? No.
Is he an agile skater? No.
Is he a good stickhandler? No.

All else being equal, if he was 6'0 185, he wouldn't even be in the NHL.
 
2012-06-25 02:01:02 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Which means you're travelling faster on skates than you can by running, faster speed = bigger impact.

You guys are arguing so many irrelevant points on so many different fronts. Just come up with a particular argument for why NHL players are "tougher" that doesn't involve differences between the sports or arenas that have nothing whatsoever to do with the players.


When an NBA player breaks his leg in a game and hits the winning shot in overtime, let me and Bobby Baun know.
 
2012-06-25 02:03:05 PM

NutznGum: When an NBA player breaks his leg in a game and hits the winning shot in overtime, let me and Bobby Baun know.


What you don't understand is, being able to play competitively with a broken leg says less about hockey, not more.

An NBA player with a broken leg would be such a liability to his team, if he wanted to play the coach wouldn't play him.
 
2012-06-25 02:04:31 PM

MugzyBrown: Lol... OK. Whatever you say, my friend.

In the NHL skills competition, what event would Chara do well in other than hardest shot?

Is he a fast skater? No.
Is he an agile skater? No.
Is he a good stickhandler? No.

All else being equal, if he was 6'0 185, he wouldn't even be in the NHL.


And would Lebron be in the NBA at that size? Maybe, but we wouldn't be talking about him right now.
 
2012-06-25 02:05:06 PM

SultanofSchwing: "doesn't reward pure athleticism" lol...what a joke you two are.


Every sport requires some mix of skill and athleticism, right? The Incredible Hulk would make a pretty good D Lineman - there's skill, but it's dominated by athleticism. John Kruk was a pretty decent baseball player even though he was fat, because being able to hit a ball is a lot more important than being able to run or jump. Hockey requires relatively more skill and relatively less athleticism because skating and controlling a puck with a stick are pretty specialized skills.

Your ceiling in the NHL if you're not tremendously big, strong, and fast is... Wayne Gretzky.
 
2012-06-25 02:05:22 PM

AKTurkey: [thecapslock.files.wordpress.com image 399x400]

That is all


Good example. He knowingly played an entire playoffs with an untreated broken foot/ankle, rather than have a cast put on and miss the post-season.
 
2012-06-25 02:06:32 PM

NutznGum: IAmRight: NutznGum: Which means you're travelling faster on skates than you can by running, faster speed = bigger impact.

You guys are arguing so many irrelevant points on so many different fronts. Just come up with a particular argument for why NHL players are "tougher" that doesn't involve differences between the sports or arenas that have nothing whatsoever to do with the players.

When an NBA player breaks his leg in a game and hits the winning shot in overtime, let me and Bobby Baun know.


So because one player proves that hockey isn't as harsh as basketball on the legs, that proves that all hockey players are tougher. You people are really deluded and you need this, don't you?

Okay, dude, you can keep believing it, since that's all you have.
 
2012-06-25 02:09:18 PM
Oh, and let's not forget the amount of force of a hockey player driving another one into the boards (or hell, how about open-ice hits by, say, a Vladimir Konstantinov [in this hockey days] or a Scott Stevens or even the average sized player.

Where is that in basketball? Nowhere would be the answer.
 
2012-06-25 02:09:24 PM

NutznGum: And would Lebron be in the NBA at that size? Maybe, but we wouldn't be talking about him right now.


Lebron would probably be an NBA player if he was smaller. He is a good shooter, not great, he can dribble and play good defense, and he is fast. He is very fast for his size, but still fast even for a smaller player.

Would he be the MVP of the league? No. Chara would be a total stiff.
 
2012-06-25 02:12:24 PM

DaCaptain19: Where is that in basketball? Nowhere would be the answer.


Which has nothing to do with player toughness and everything to do with the sport's setup and the fact that they don't want to lose the puck or injure fans.

Also, you'd be a pretty big piece of sh*t to just randomly hit someone away from the play for no reason but "because I could" in basketball. Pretty sure they'd be able to handle it if it were allowed, though.
 
2012-06-25 02:12:24 PM
Can someone with more NBA knowledge answer me a question: What do NBA players make in the post season? I know in the NFL, everyone gets a flat sum based on which round of the playoffs it is (wild card, divisional, superbowl, etc...) and whether they win or lose that round. NHL, players get nothing (aside from a select few that may have an escalator clause in their contract for winning the Cup or getting named the Conn Smythe winner). In both of those sports, having bonuses specifically for the play-offs in their contracts isn't allowed**.

How does the NBA handle this?

** In the NHL (and I'm pretty sure the NFL is the same way), you can't have a "$50,000 bonus for making the play-offs", "$5000 for every post-season goal", or "$100,000 for making the cup finals" escaltors in your contract. I'm pretty sure the only one allowed is "$$$ for winning 'award' or leading in certain allowed stat categories."
 
2012-06-25 02:12:27 PM
ITT: People think a sport which requires parents to subsidize expensive equipment, provides less economic and social incentive for success, is played by a smaller percentage of people worldwide, and has more roster slots at its highest levels provides a better average quality of athlete than what is seen in the National Basketball Association.
 
2012-06-25 02:13:33 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: IAmRight: NutznGum: Which means you're travelling faster on skates than you can by running, faster speed = bigger impact.

You guys are arguing so many irrelevant points on so many different fronts. Just come up with a particular argument for why NHL players are "tougher" that doesn't involve differences between the sports or arenas that have nothing whatsoever to do with the players.

When an NBA player breaks his leg in a game and hits the winning shot in overtime, let me and Bobby Baun know.

So because one player proves that hockey isn't as harsh as basketball on the legs, that proves that all hockey players are tougher. You people are really deluded and you need this, don't you?

Okay, dude, you can keep believing it, since that's all you have.


You asked for an example, I provided one.

How about this:

I block a shot in the NBA - high fives from my team mates.

I block a shot in the NHL - I could be killed.
 
2012-06-25 02:13:49 PM

Mike_LowELL: ITT: People think a sport which requires parents to subsidize expensive equipment, provides less economic and social incentive for success, is played by a smaller percentage of people worldwide, and has more roster slots at its highest levels provides a better average quality of athlete than what is seen in the National Basketball Association.


High barriers to entry and low rewards really ensure that only the best are able to play! Yeah, that's what it is!
 
2012-06-25 02:15:15 PM

NutznGum: You asked for an example, I provided one.

How about this:

I block a shot in the NBA - high fives from my team mates.

I block a shot in the NHL - I could be killed.


Which is an equipment/rules of the game issue, not a "player toughness" issue.

If you want to say you have to take more abuse in a hockey game, that is a legitimate argument. Saying "players are tougher" is stupid.
 
2012-06-25 02:19:30 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: IAmRight: NutznGum:

When an NBA player breaks his leg in a game and hits the winning shot in overtime, let me and Bobby Baun know.

So because one player proves that hockey isn't as harsh as basketball on the legs, that proves that all hockey players are tougher. You people are really deluded and you need this, don't you


Hockey isn't as harsh on the legs? This is from one blocked shot, some players will block 4 or 5 in a game.

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2012-06-25 02:19:43 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: You asked for an example, I provided one.

How about this:

I block a shot in the NBA - high fives from my team mates.

I block a shot in the NHL - I could be killed.

Which is an equipment/rules of the game issue, not a "player toughness" issue.

If you want to say you have to take more abuse in a hockey game, that is a legitimate argument. Saying "players are tougher" is stupid.


Basketball players act like thugs, and fall to the ground when someone touches their wrist during a shot. They push off on the court when they fall so it looks like "holy cow did you see how hard i just got fouled!?"

Pretty tough guys.

Hockey players on the other hand laugh, and twat their opinions at basket ball players.
 
2012-06-25 02:21:12 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: You asked for an example, I provided one.

How about this:

I block a shot in the NBA - high fives from my team mates.

I block a shot in the NHL - I could be killed.

Which is an equipment/rules of the game issue, not a "player toughness" issue.

If you want to say you have to take more abuse in a hockey game, that is a legitimate argument. Saying "players are tougher" is stupid.


Wouldn't 'taking more abuse in a game' kind of be the definition of toughness? How are you defining it?
 
2012-06-25 02:23:12 PM
My only contribution is that players will play injured...in the playoffs mostly . an off hand example is Sergi Gonchar after Ovechkin collided with him knee of knee. He had a torn MCL from that and still came back the next series AND was productive while injured( with the Penguins. )

This isn't a lone example either. Many players never disclose when they are injured during playoffs because it gives the other team a target. Grin and bear it, release the details later.

But this is very subjective to the definition of "player toughness."
 
2012-06-25 02:26:23 PM

NutznGum: Hockey isn't as harsh on the legs? This is from one blocked shot, some players will block 4 or 5 in a game.


Holy sh*t you people are really, genuinely stupid, aren't you? When an activity is described as "hard on your back" do you think that's referring to how many times something hits you in the back?

NutznGum: Wouldn't 'taking more abuse in a game' kind of be the definition of toughness? How are you defining it?


You are saying the players are tougher. No, the sport is "tougher." Not the players.

boozehat: Hockey players on the other hand laugh, and twat their opinions at basket ball players.


And then fall to the ice when a stick gets anywhere near their head level. Or jump to the ice anytime a stick gets near their skates when they f*ck up a shot.
 
2012-06-25 02:27:28 PM
I came here expecting the stupid and I got it. Well done all of you.
 
2012-06-25 02:28:29 PM

AKTurkey: [thecapslock.files.wordpress.com image 399x400]

That is all


I can't believe I had to go halfway through a long thread about diving and flopping in sports before someone posted Sidney Crosby. You guys are slacking, normally he's the first one up.

/Sid's gotten a lot better
//LeBron, however, remains a douche
 
2012-06-25 02:29:57 PM

debbie_does_dishes: This isn't a lone example either. Many players never disclose when they are injured during playoffs because it gives the other team a target. Grin and bear it, release the details later.


Too bad this never happens in the NBA, like, say, Paul Pierce having a sprained MCL and playing in the playoffs.

Also, how do you know about all these injuries guys are playing through if they don't disclose them? Same goes for the NBA players - they don't really say anything until they can't play. Like Mike Miller hobbling up and down the court with his back problems.
 
2012-06-25 02:30:48 PM

Marisyana: /Sid's gotten a lot better
//LeBron, however, remains a douche


This is the opposite of what I saw during both playoffs.
 
2012-06-25 02:35:22 PM

balki1867: ....
Um, no its more like 20 when you account for the 4 lines. Besides how do you account for the fact that NHL players can regularly play into their 40s (or almost their 50s if your name is Chris Chelios) whereas its almost unheard of in the NBA? Your conditioning falls off way quicker than your ability to take a hit.


My best guess is overall wear and tear on the knees.

In the NHL your either skating up and down the rink (unless your the goalie) and in the NBA your running up and down the court on hardwood. I figure the NBA puts more wear and tear on your knees than the NHL does.

Once your knee gets injured, you cannot really do much in the way of running or skating. That in turn means your not doing much cardio.

I still say NBA players are not playing through injury the way NHL players do though, but it's one thing to play through cracked ribs a collision injury. It is another to play past a chronic breakdown of your joints. Part of that is just culture of the game. NBA rules try for non contact, and it is easier to draw a foul in a non contact sport. If Hockey evolves towards non contact, you will see a farkton more flopping.

END COMMUNICATION
 
2012-06-25 02:35:49 PM

IAmRight: debbie_does_dishes: This isn't a lone example either. Many players never disclose when they are injured during playoffs because it gives the other team a target. Grin and bear it, release the details later.

Too bad this never happens in the NBA, like, say, Paul Pierce having a sprained MCL and playing in the playoffs.

Also, how do you know about all these injuries guys are playing through if they don't disclose them? Same goes for the NBA players - they don't really say anything until they can't play. Like Mike Miller hobbling up and down the court with his back problems.


I'll honestly state that I have no idea how injured NBA players will allow themselves to get before taking a seat. If they also do torn MCLs, then find NBA and NHL are equal in that respect. Hockey can get away with hairline feet fractures but that may be a result of the hockey skate's rigidity vs BBall high tops.

Again, how are we defining player toughness?

Also, Sid being a little biatch in the playoffs had more to do with the opponent being the Flyers than anything. He should be better than that and he knows it.

/still disgusted by that performance
 
2012-06-25 02:36:04 PM

IAmRight: You are saying the players are tougher. No, the sport is "tougher." Not the players.


So...the guys playing the tougher sport aren't tougher than the guys playing the less tough sport. Makes sense to me.

/You aren't "stupider" than everyone else. No your posts and your arguments are "stupider".
 
2012-06-25 02:36:04 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Hockey isn't as harsh on the legs? This is from one blocked shot, some players will block 4 or 5 in a game.

Holy sh*t you people are really, genuinely stupid, aren't you? When an activity is described as "hard on your back" do you think that's referring to how many times something hits you in the back?

NutznGum: Wouldn't 'taking more abuse in a game' kind of be the definition of toughness? How are you defining it?

You are saying the players are tougher. No, the sport is "tougher." Not the players.

boozehat: Hockey players on the other hand laugh, and twat their opinions at basket ball players.

And then fall to the ice when a stick gets anywhere near their head level. Or jump to the ice anytime a stick gets near their skates when they f*ck up a shot.


Taking a dive in hockey is a 2 minute minor.... and you pretty much solidify getting your ass beat for flopping.

In the NBA, it's called playing basketball.

Don't even start me on soccer.
 
2012-06-25 02:36:15 PM

Marisyana: Sid's gotten a lot better


I had to adjust my opinion of him after he took that puck to the side of the head and came back to play in the next period a few seasons ago... I loathe the Penguins and it'll be a cold day in hell before I'll ever root for them or Crosby (Let's Go, Bruins!), but, yeah...
 
2012-06-25 02:37:36 PM

Lord Zardoz: in the NBA your running up and down the court on hardwood.


And jumping and landing awkwardly a hundred or more times per game.

That's the reason for a lot of "flopping" - it's better to land on your full body than it is to land awkwardly on your feet and blow out an ankle or knee. Blunt force doesn't damage your career like twisting/tearing a ligament.
 
2012-06-25 02:43:54 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Hockey isn't as harsh on the legs? This is from one blocked shot, some players will block 4 or 5 in a game.

Holy sh*t you people are really, genuinely stupid, aren't you? When an activity is described as "hard on your back" do you think that's referring to how many times something hits you in the back?

NutznGum: Wouldn't 'taking more abuse in a game' kind of be the definition of toughness? How are you defining it?

You are saying the players are tougher. No, the sport is "tougher." Not the players.


We're stupid but you're the one saying hockey is a tougher sport than basketball but ISN'T played by tougher athletes. Wouldn't the the tougher sport to play be played by tougher athletes, can you see how one might come to that conclusion?
 
2012-06-25 02:43:56 PM

js34603: So...the guys playing the tougher sport aren't tougher than the guys playing the less tough sport. Makes sense to me.

/You aren't "stupider" than everyone else. No your posts and your arguments are "stupider".


If you honestly can't understand the difference between the two, you probably shouldn't be allowed out of your room. And I think you're pretty much showing that you can't by not being able to tell the difference between a stupid argument (this is a stupid argument overall - toughness is defined individually and so the argument is stupid - I'm just pointing out the flaws of saying that some people are "tougher" than others based on completely irrelevant data) and a stupid person (your not knowing the difference indicates that you are stupid).

debbie_does_dishes: Again, how are we defining player toughness?


I dunno, most people seem to want to change it every time I point out that every bit of "toughness" they're claiming is a result of the rules of the game and have nothing to do with an innate quality of the players. Some seem to fail to understand the difference between the players and the game, even.
 
2012-06-25 02:44:05 PM
Oh... It's a thread with Lebron mentioned and iamwrong is posting in multiples of two? WHO COULD HAVE FORSEEN THIS¿¿¿¿¿¿

I prefer basketball but hockey players flop less and take more abuse without whining while generally being shorter and lighter. I think that means they are many degrees tougher than basketball players, annoyingly defensive basketball apologists aside.
 
2012-06-25 02:48:07 PM

inclemency: Oh... It's a thread with Lebron mentioned and iamwrong is posting in multiples of two? WHO COULD HAVE FORSEEN THIS¿¿¿¿¿¿

I prefer basketball but hockey players flop less and take more abuse without whining while generally being shorter and lighter. I think that means they are many degrees tougher than basketball players, annoyingly defensive basketball apologists aside.


I believe his real name is Chris Chase.
 
2012-06-25 02:48:15 PM

NutznGum: Wouldn't the the tougher sport to play be played by tougher athletes, can you see how one might come to that conclusion?


You could say that if, say, the NHL were the most popular league in the world and the threshold for getting in was that you had to be x amount of tough to be in the league, and the NBA was where players who couldn't handle the NHL went.

Currently, however, the NBA is far more popular than the NHL and sources its players from everyone in the world. Hockey players are chosen from a very narrow swath of the population that can afford to play the sport at a young age. They require two completely different skillsets that have pretty much nothing to do with one another. Only a moron would actually think that someone is tougher because of the sport that they play.

It's like saying someone's tougher than someone else because they work a blue-collar job vs becoming an office manager - gee, the guy should turn down the promotion to the job where you actually get paid and are a leader because it's "not as tough"? There are tough people and soft people in all professions.
 
2012-06-25 02:50:03 PM

balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA


You ever played hockey? It's exhausting. There's a reason you play for 1 minute before changing. Seriously, join a pickup league and try playing for more than a few minutes.
 
2012-06-25 02:50:50 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Hockey isn't as harsh on the legs? This is from one blocked shot, some players will block 4 or 5 in a game.

Holy sh*t you people are really, genuinely stupid, aren't you? When an activity is described as "hard on your back" do you think that's referring to how many times something hits you in the back?

NutznGum: Wouldn't 'taking more abuse in a game' kind of be the definition of toughness? How are you defining it?

You are saying the players are tougher. No, the sport is "tougher." Not the players.

boozehat: Hockey players on the other hand laugh, and twat their opinions at basket ball players.

And then fall to the ice when a stick gets anywhere near their head level. Or jump to the ice anytime a stick gets near their skates when they f*ck up a shot.


Yeah Hockey has absolutely no lasting impact on your body. You're right, guy like Orr with irreparable knee and back problems are just faking it.

Chris Bosh missed the bulk of the Heat's playoff run because of an "abdominal strain." Which is a minor tear in a stomach muscle and takes 2-4 weeks to heal.

Anton Volchenkov got a stick to the face by Mike Richards in the Stanley Cup finals, received a dozen stitches between shifts and was back on the bench and played the remainder of the game and series.

Rob Scuderi had his nose broken and lacerated because of a bodycheck into the glass in game 6, returned to finish it and won the cup.

Darren Helm had surgery prior to the playoffs for a laceration to his forearm, still played for Detroit in the playoffs.

Hal Gill played two rounds for the Nashville Predators in the 2012 playoffs with a fractured Tibia, he has since had a plate installed on it in the off season.

Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

Brandon Prust played with a broken finger for the remainder of the 2nd series, after breaking it on someone's face, and through the entirety of the 3rd series.

Marion Gaborik, played the entirety of the playoffs with a torn labrum in his shoulder.

Adrian Aucoin and Shane Doan played with undisclosed groin and hip injuries through to the final game of the Western Conference Finals.

Kris Letang played in the playoffs for the Penguins with an undisclosed hip injury.

Brent Burns had surgery for a hernia following San Jose's playoff run.

Dustin Penner won a Stanley cup with an undisclosed wrist injury.

Many others played with old injuries from the regular season or from games in previous series...they are often never publicized because opponents may take advantage of it.

Lebron James couldn't play through a cramp in the last 4 minutes of a runaway victory in the final game of the NBA Playoffs.

Yeah, basketball players are tough.
 
2012-06-25 02:51:46 PM
The last thing I have on the subject:

Hockey players are willing to put themselves into high injury risk situations just to win. This may be in part to the padding they wear but even in full gear, you aren't going to find *ME* blocking shots anytime soon! I see a slap shot coming, I get the fark out of the way.

/not paid to play
 
2012-06-25 02:53:25 PM

Gunderson: Don't the WBA players play through their cramps on a monthly basis?


A+
 
2012-06-25 02:55:11 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Wouldn't the the tougher sport to play be played by tougher athletes, can you see how one might come to that conclusion?

You could say that if, say, the NHL were the most popular league in the world and the threshold for getting in was that you had to be x amount of tough to be in the league, and the NBA was where players who couldn't handle the NHL went.

Currently, however, the NBA is far more popular than the NHL and sources its players from everyone in the world. Hockey players are chosen from a very narrow swath of the population that can afford to play the sport at a young age. They require two completely different skillsets that have pretty much nothing to do with one another. Only a moron would actually think that someone is tougher because of the sport that they play.

It's like saying someone's tougher than someone else because they work a blue-collar job vs becoming an office manager - gee, the guy should turn down the promotion to the job where you actually get paid and are a leader because it's "not as tough"? There are tough people and soft people in all professions.


This has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Hockey is a tougher sport, you said so yourself, ergo the players are tougher. Who cares if there's a smaller sample size or not.

Its apples to oranges anyway. I'm not saying basketball isn't tough, Dennis Rodman's feet can speak to that. But hockey players routinely play through injuries that would have most other athletes on the bench for extended periods of time. Just look at the list of hockey players who have off-season surgery to fix an injury they played through all year.
 
2012-06-25 02:56:37 PM

SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.


How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

You just want to keep slobbing hockey's collective knob. So if it's so important to you, you just keep believing it, rather than having the intelligence to acknowledge a system's effect on how things appear.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.
 
2012-06-25 02:57:33 PM

NutznGum: Hockey is a tougher sport, you said so yourself, ergo the players are tougher


Man, you suck at logic.
 
2012-06-25 02:58:37 PM
Heh. This is a contact sport.
 
2012-06-25 02:58:40 PM

NutznGum: Its apples to oranges anyway. I'm not saying basketball isn't tough, Dennis Rodman's feet can speak to that. But hockey players routinely play through injuries that would have most other athletes on the bench for extended periods of time. Just look at the list of hockey players who have off-season surgery to fix an injury they played through all year.


Which, if taken through the natural course of logic, leads to the inevitable conclusion that no hockey fan or FARKer would dare admit: WWE wrestlers, with their 200+ performances per year, year-round work schedule, total inability to take off any time for injuries (lest they lose their sport), and willingness to continue performing after suffering crippling injuries (See: Triple H being on the receiving end of the Walls of Jericho after tearing his quad), are tougher than all of them. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE NARRATIVE, DO WE?
 
2012-06-25 03:00:15 PM

NutznGum: Its apples to oranges anyway.


EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME. EVERY ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOU'RE F*CKING COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
 
2012-06-25 03:01:35 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

You just want to keep slobbing hockey's collective knob. So if it's so important to you, you just keep believing it, rather than having the intelligence to acknowledge a system's effect on how things appear.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.


Again, you've proven that you have absolutely zero experience playing the sport. It's astonishing that you honestly think an abdominal injury is not a detriment to a hockey player.

you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers

That's funny.

Just because you seem unclear on what the sport involves I'm going to actually help you out.

ak1.ostkcdn.com

This is not an accurate representation of the game of Hockey.
 
2012-06-25 03:01:46 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Hockey is a tougher sport, you said so yourself, ergo the players are tougher

Man, you suck at logic.


Why is it illogical then, oh enlightened one?
 
2012-06-25 03:03:16 PM

IAmRight: NutznGum: Its apples to oranges anyway.

EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME. EVERY ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOU'RE F*CKING COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.


This is Fark, if we didn't compare apples and oranges, we'd all be working instead.

U mad, bro?

/seriously, why the rage?
 
2012-06-25 03:05:14 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.


I kind of agree here; abdominal strain/tears would cause people to not play in either sport as they are both dependent on those muscles. Or at least severely reduce their playing time or usable worth to the goal of the team. There are degrees to injuries too. Some can be played through, some can't.
 
2012-06-25 03:06:03 PM

Mike_LowELL: NutznGum: Its apples to oranges anyway. I'm not saying basketball isn't tough, Dennis Rodman's feet can speak to that. But hockey players routinely play through injuries that would have most other athletes on the bench for extended periods of time. Just look at the list of hockey players who have off-season surgery to fix an injury they played through all year.

Which, if taken through the natural course of logic, leads to the inevitable conclusion that no hockey fan or FARKer would dare admit: WWE wrestlers, with their 200+ performances per year, year-round work schedule, total inability to take off any time for injuries (lest they lose their sport), and willingness to continue performing after suffering crippling injuries (See: Triple H being on the receiving end of the Walls of Jericho after tearing his quad), are tougher than all of them. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE NARRATIVE, DO WE?


I don't have a problem with that. Its not really a 'sport' per se, but it takes incredibly tough athletes to do it. I tip my cap to them.
 
2012-06-25 03:08:06 PM
On a side note, who is Lebron James?
 
2012-06-25 03:10:07 PM

debbie_does_dishes: IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.

I kind of agree here; abdominal strain/tears would cause people to not play in either sport as they are both dependent on those muscles. Or at least severely reduce their playing time or usable worth to the goal of the team. There are degrees to injuries too. Some can be played through, some can't.


Most of your mobility when skating comes from the abdominal muscles, rotation etc. Not to mention the torsion your body experiences on a check. Degrees indeed, though one would assume an injury that required eventual surgery in the offseason would be quite severe. On top of that we're still only focusing on one out of 11 examples I posted...which is even then only a sample of the dozens more out there that haven't been specifically disclosed and likely won't be.
 
2012-06-25 03:10:20 PM

WhiskeySticks: On a side note, who is Lebron James?


Someone the whole city of Cleveland would like to see set on fire and stomped on like a flaming bag of poop?
 
2012-06-25 03:10:50 PM

WhiskeySticks: Lebron James


Here you go. LMGTFY Link
 
2012-06-25 03:11:20 PM
...I'm just glad I like both sports.
 
2012-06-25 03:12:55 PM

robsul82: ...I'm just glad I like both sports.


Seriously. Holy fark.
 
2012-06-25 03:13:21 PM

NutznGum: I don't have a problem with that. Its not really a 'sport' per se, but it takes incredibly tough athletes to do it. I tip my cap to them.


I'm not saying you do, but that's a pill that the people who get emotionally invested in this topic would never, ever, ever want to swallow. (Likewise, you'll also never hear mixed martial arts fans discuss that one of the reasons Kurt Angle wanted to take up the sport is that it would be less wear and tear on his body than professional wrestling.) The matter of "toughness" in sports is stupid, anyway, because it can't be quantified. You can, to some degree, quantify the things that me and IAmRight have already listed: Economic incentive, "buy-in" (how much money you need to play and participate in the sport), available roster slots, etc.

WhiskeySticks: On a side note, who is Lebron James?


The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.
 
2012-06-25 03:13:26 PM
Hey hey hey! Everyone chill out.

Hockey people, I know that flopping is a bit of an issue in basketball, but lets be real about it, at least these guys score and jump around and sometimes even play defense! So lets do like we're supposed to do, and save our hate for the damn soccer pussies, not the NBA people.
 
2012-06-25 03:16:45 PM

Mike_LowELL:
The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.


16"?
 
2012-06-25 03:17:24 PM

SultanofSchwing: On top of that we're still only focusing on one out of 11 examples I posted...which is even then only a sample of the dozens more out there that haven't been specifically disclosed and likely won't be.


Which surely means that there are dozens in the NHL but no one went through injuries in the NBA.

Like Ray Allen (ankle surgery after the season after playing the playoffs) or Paul Pierce (played through an MCL sprain) or Mikael Pietrus (knee surgery after the season after playing the playoffs) or Mike Miller (back issues, maybe surgery)...and that's off the top of my head and because I really only followed the Eastern Conference playoffs this year.

I mean, if there were examples of guys playing through injuries in the NBA, you might feel stupid here.

Cramps are cramps - they're not a severe injury, but you really can't f*cking play through them, no matter who you are.
 
2012-06-25 03:17:50 PM

Mike_LowELL:
The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.


What gifted looks like.
 
2012-06-25 03:18:47 PM

Mike_LowELL: NutznGum: I don't have a problem with that. Its not really a 'sport' per se, but it takes incredibly tough athletes to do it. I tip my cap to them.

I'm not saying you do, but that's a pill that the people who get emotionally invested in this topic would never, ever, ever want to swallow. (Likewise, you'll also never hear mixed martial arts fans discuss that one of the reasons Kurt Angle wanted to take up the sport is that it would be less wear and tear on his body than professional wrestling.) The matter of "toughness" in sports is stupid, anyway, because it can't be quantified. You can, to some degree, quantify the things that me and IAmRight have already listed: Economic incentive, "buy-in" (how much money you need to play and participate in the sport), available roster slots, etc.

WhiskeySticks: On a side note, who is Lebron James?

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.


We're having the sports equivalent of the 'who win in a fight between Batman and the Hulk or a silverback gorilla and a tiger' discussion. Its fun (well, its started off that way) but pointless. A nice metaphor for Fark.
 
2012-06-25 03:19:33 PM

Mike_LowELL: NutznGum: I don't have a problem with that. Its not really a 'sport' per se, but it takes incredibly tough athletes to do it. I tip my cap to them.

I'm not saying you do, but that's a pill that the people who get emotionally invested in this topic would never, ever, ever want to swallow. (Likewise, you'll also never hear mixed martial arts fans discuss that one of the reasons Kurt Angle wanted to take up the sport is that it would be less wear and tear on his body than professional wrestling.) The matter of "toughness" in sports is stupid, anyway, because it can't be quantified. You can, to some degree, quantify the things that me and IAmRight have already listed: Economic incentive, "buy-in" (how much money you need to play and participate in the sport), available roster slots, etc.

WhiskeySticks: On a side note, who is Lebron James?

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.


are you just classifying Chalmers as a deity now then?
 
2012-06-25 03:19:41 PM

IAmRight:
I mean, if there were examples of guys playing through injuries in the NBA, you might feel stupid here.


There aren't any examples of that in this thread! Take your trolling elsewhere, sir!
 
2012-06-25 03:22:16 PM

inclemency: are you just classifying Chalmers as a deity now then?


It's after the season, he only graces us with his presence during the NBA season.
 
2012-06-25 03:23:35 PM

debbie_does_dishes: Also, Sid being a little biatch in the playoffs had more to do with the opponent being the Flyers than anything. He should be better than that and he knows it.

/still disgusted by that performance


When he flicked the glove away from Voracek I literally said out loud "Sid, stop being a little biatch." Then again, it's always funny to watch Captain Canada sit in the penalty box and call Claude Giroux a farking pussy. The best part of "24/7" for me was Sid losing it with the ref and screaming "FARK OFF, THAT'S FARKING SHIAT!" so loudly his voice cracked.
 
2012-06-25 03:24:14 PM
Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman
 
2012-06-25 03:24:28 PM

SultanofSchwing: Mike_LowELL:
The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

What gifted looks like.


There's some stiff competition for that award:

Link
 
2012-06-25 03:25:46 PM

Marisyana: debbie_does_dishes: Also, Sid being a little biatch in the playoffs had more to do with the opponent being the Flyers than anything. He should be better than that and he knows it.

/still disgusted by that performance

When he flicked the glove away from Voracek I literally said out loud "Sid, stop being a little biatch." .


That was actually funny, classic hockey trolling. The little tantrum in the locker rooms saying shiat like "...because we don't like them" was so childish. Too much time away form the game with the head injuries, he needs to come back to reality and stop being a biatch.
 
2012-06-25 03:27:07 PM

SultanofSchwing: What gifted looks like.


LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever. Therefore, basketball players are tougher. Your argument is invalid.

NutznGum: We're having the sports equivalent of the 'who win in a fight between Batman and the Hulk or a silverback gorilla and a tiger' discussion. Its fun (well, its started off that way) but pointless. A nice metaphor for Fark.


Pretty much.

IAmRight: inclemency: are you just classifying Chalmers as a deity now then?

It's after the season, he only graces us with his presence during the NBA season.


This. Once the season is over, he heads back to his home planet, allowing mortals to fight aimlessly over their human athletic accomplishments.
 
2012-06-25 03:28:41 PM

New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman


Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.
 
2012-06-25 03:29:03 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: On top of that we're still only focusing on one out of 11 examples I posted...which is even then only a sample of the dozens more out there that haven't been specifically disclosed and likely won't be.

Which surely means that there are dozens in the NHL but no one went through injuries in the NBA.

Like Ray Allen (ankle surgery after the season after playing the playoffs) or Paul Pierce (played through an MCL sprain) or Mikael Pietrus (knee surgery after the season after playing the playoffs) or Mike Miller (back issues, maybe surgery)...and that's off the top of my head and because I really only followed the Eastern Conference playoffs this year.

I mean, if there were examples of guys playing through injuries in the NBA, you might feel stupid here.

Cramps are cramps - they're not a severe injury, but you really can't f*cking play through them, no matter who you are.


Ray Allen, didn't play 15 of the final 20 regular season games and 2 playoffs games.
Paul Pierce, barely played anyway and depending on the grade, MCL sprain isn't that bad.
Mickael Pietrus... Said Pietrus back on May 14: "(The knee) is bothering me a little bit, but I told you guys, I'm going to keep going. It's something I'll worry about getting done in the summertime. (McKeon) told me he'd take a look at it in the summer. It's not a big problem -- it's something that can be resolved in 15 minutes."
I'll concede Mike Miller, but he just needs to retire.

I do find it funny how you say I'm gobbling the "collective hockey knob"...how's the NBA/Lebron Knob tasting?
 
2012-06-25 03:29:30 PM

IAmRight: The ones that stand around for 80-90% of the game and are covered from head to foot in padding? You're going to say that they're tougher? Okay.

I guess hockey fans really need to convince themselves of things like this because they have no sense of self-worth or toughness of their own.


You don't actually watch hockey, do you? And you don't think basketball players do their share of standing and walking around for position? Half the reason I scream at my team is that they aren't moving around the court and relying on one or two players to handle the offense. And yes, the padding that protects them from an object a hell of a lot bigger and harder than a battery or ice cube which have set basketball players off.

target="_blank">IAmRight: Unfortunately, players don't get to have access to water/Gatorade every 40 seconds or so like an NHL player does.


You're right, basketball players get to sit on their asses for 15-20 minutes while the whistle keeps blowing the play dead because some pussy flopped to get an extra shot on the free throw line while the other mill about and pat each other on the ass. I'm going to say that you haven't played a physically demanding sport that didn't involve a Wii remote.

And last but not least, NBA players can't reach the speeds and impacts of the NHL players, so even two big center running into each other full speed isn't comparable to the force a 5'9, 220 defender can bring into a single check.

I won't debate that basketball is physically demanding, but you can't compare the damages and dangers NHL players face more often than your average NBA player that often isn't driving the lane to even chance getting into contact.

You are simply wrong and lack the understanding of physics to show. Add into the mix the weights of equipment involved: goalie gear can weigh up to 50 extra pounds combined with the smaller surface area his skates distribute. So I pose to you, do you think a regualr in-shape center could carry an extra 50 pounds while moving, dropping, bouncing back up all while holding a goalie stick, which also can weigh a shiatload especially when you are tired.

Average equipment for a player is 20 pounds which would mean each small forward would have to carry an extra 20 pounds while running and controlling the ball. Let's not even get into the physics of changing direction on blades, stopping and banking turns nor the effects of being drilled into a wall or hip checked onto the ice. And funny enough, you still don't see themselves wrench and cry about the pain while being carried off the ice.
 
2012-06-25 03:30:48 PM

Mike_LowELL: SultanofSchwing: What gifted looks like.

LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever.

Define "Doesn't happen in hockey ever" to Zednik

Link

 
2012-06-25 03:31:03 PM

keylock71: New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.


I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion
 
2012-06-25 03:31:15 PM
basketball is for pusses. that is all.
 
2012-06-25 03:32:28 PM

FreakinB: keylock71: New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.

I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion


Messi.

/ducks
 
2012-06-25 03:32:48 PM

Mike_LowELL: LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever. Therefore, basketball players are tougher. Your argument is invalid.


Nope, never happens.

Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again? I thought you and "IAmWrong" are against that whole angle.
 
2012-06-25 03:33:25 PM

boozehat: Mike_LowELL: SultanofSchwing: What gifted looks like.

LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored. This doesn't happen in hockey ever.

Define "Doesn't happen in hockey ever" to Zednik

Link


Beaten to it!

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-06-25 03:33:47 PM
Meh, you have to give them a pass, like you do little retarded boys who piss their pants, because all those concussions they suffer cause them brain damage.
 
2012-06-25 03:34:38 PM
I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.

Because it's the most painful which means most awesomest! Durrrr.
 
2012-06-25 03:35:15 PM

New Age Redneck: No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.


Judging by the fact you said "Not even close", I'm going to assume you have a long list of 6'6-6'8, 270-pound professional athletes with the agility and speed of NFL wide-receivers?

SultanofSchwing: Nope, never happens.

Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again? I thought you and "IAmWrong" are against that whole angle.


Nah, I'm just snarking you.
 
2012-06-25 03:35:58 PM

FreakinB: I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.


Eh... I think that's extremely debatable.

But, while I'm a huge hockey fan, I don't "hate" basketball. I just have no interest in it. Same goes for Baseball. Bores me to tears, but I'm not going to criticize another person's preferences... Unless, of course, I'm trying to get a rise out of them.
 
2012-06-25 03:36:21 PM

IAmRight: fatalvenom: Shouldn't you be at the Heat victory parade today with your lips applied to Lebron's shlong?

What's with your fixation with his dick? You constantly bring it into every conversation.


Citation?
 
2012-06-25 03:37:25 PM

Mike_LowELL: LeBron James jumped over a dude and scored.


And Kobe Bryant raped a chick...what's your point?
 
2012-06-25 03:38:49 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: You are simply wrong and lack the understanding of physics to show


You're completely making up statements I never made and arguing against them, so no, I'm not. What you think I'm saying is wrong, but I didn't say that.
 
2012-06-25 03:38:54 PM

fo_sho!: I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.


Those guys are pussies.... Welsh Shin Kickers are far tougher. : )

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-25 03:39:05 PM

IAmRight: Cramps are cramps - they're not a severe injury, but you really can't f*cking play through them, no matter who you are.


Forgot this part. Stretching and hydration could have avoided his embarrassment. A cramp is not an injury.
 
2012-06-25 03:40:43 PM

SultanofSchwing: regindyn: meanmutton: balki1867: I actually follow the NHL way more closely than the NBA but this is kind of stupid. In terms of taking a hit you have to be way tougher to play in the NHL, but very few of those guys could handle running up and down the court at an NBA pace for 48 minutes 82+ times a year.

Different sports require different skillsets; shocking, I know.

// Still can't do anything about the flopping in the NBA

Huh? They sprint-skate up and down the rink at an NHL pace for 60 minutes 82+ times a year.

You forgot the part where they get subbed out every 85 seconds cause they're winded.

/don't mind hockey
//their fans, however...

You've obviously never played hockey before. Not that Basketball doesn't have it's physical demands, but there really is no comparison to skating at that level for any sustained amount of time.


That's nothing, I've never strapped on an ice skate before.
 
2012-06-25 03:41:19 PM

IAmRight: Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.


Fine. Read below and you'll see why hockey players are tougher:

The 2000 Stanley Cup Finals match-up between the New Jersey Devils and the Dallas Stars was a physically brutal series. Players on both sides showed tremendous grit and determination to win the Cup at all costs. The series was eventually decided by an overtime goal in Game 6 by New Jersey's Jason Arnott, who just two games earlier had suffered a concussion and had four teeth knocked out of his jaw. But one of the more incredible examples of hockey-toughness came in the desperate play of Dallas' Darrly Sydor.

In the first period of Game 6, Sydor missed a hit on Scott Gomez and went awkwardly into the boards. It was immediately obvious that he was badly hurt, as his leg twisted under him and face writhed in agony. He attempted to get up, but quickly collapsed to the ice, unable to put any weight on his leg. But Sydor wasn't about to let the pain, nor the inability to skate, keep him from playing hockey. While play continued around him, Sydor determined he was useless lying off to the side, so he used his arms and his one good leg to drag his body through other players towards the front of the net in an attempt to block shots.

Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...
 
2012-06-25 03:41:27 PM

SultanofSchwing: Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again?


So you, who said you're comparing apples to oranges, now disagree with yourself.

/I'm arguing with someone dumber than an apple and an orange

fo_sho!: I'm a huge fan of Peruvian nut kicking contests.

Because it's the most painful which means most awesomest! Durrrr.


It means they're the toughest!
 
2012-06-25 03:41:37 PM
img814.imageshack.us

"Pussies."
 
2012-06-25 03:43:09 PM
The guy who just broke the decathlon world record is a pretty decent athlete.

He probably can't do a triple lutz though.
 
2012-06-25 03:44:11 PM
Fark Sports tab is getting more and more outdated by the day. Seems to be only relevant for the discussion threads on live events, everything else is days old by the time it gets posted. I guess they have to wait for a Fark partner site to copy and paste the story from the original source before they can link to it.
 
2012-06-25 03:45:10 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle.


Holy Christ you're stupid.

First of all, the play would be stopped because the team would call a timeout. You can't afford to play 5-on-4 for more than a possession in basketball, because people score consistently.

Secondly, a player incapable of moving and on the ground would be utterly useless in a sport where the game is played in the air.

Again, you've done nothing to prove anything except that basketball and hockey are different sports.
 
2012-06-25 03:45:32 PM
"I wonder what kind of face LeBron would make if he took a slapper off the laces?" tweeted Blake Wheeler of the Winnipeg Jets

Lulz. Hey champ, you play in Winnipeg because America's 9th largest metro couldn't get enough people who would pay to watch you play.

The Los Angeles Kings' victory over the New Jersey Devils in six games averaged a 2.2 rating and 4 share on NBC.

The five games between the Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder on ABC averaged a 10.1 rating


Hate hate hate hate hate!
 
2012-06-25 03:47:56 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...


I'm sure Mr. Traffic Cone there has a very high tolerance for pain but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the sport that they don't stop to get an obviously injured player off the ice. There's no way to be of much use to your team lying prone on a basketball court and anyway they'd just stop play.
 
2012-06-25 03:49:56 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: IAmRight: Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

Fine. Read below and you'll see why hockey players are tougher:

The 2000 Stanley Cup Finals match-up between the New Jersey Devils and the Dallas Stars was a physically brutal series. Players on both sides showed tremendous grit and determination to win the Cup at all costs. The series was eventually decided by an overtime goal in Game 6 by New Jersey's Jason Arnott, who just two games earlier had suffered a concussion and had four teeth knocked out of his jaw. But one of the more incredible examples of hockey-toughness came in the desperate play of Dallas' Darrly Sydor.

In the first period of Game 6, Sydor missed a hit on Scott Gomez and went awkwardly into the boards. It was immediately obvious that he was badly hurt, as his leg twisted under him and face writhed in agony. He attempted to get up, but quickly collapsed to the ice, unable to put any weight on his leg. But Sydor wasn't about to let the pain, nor the inability to skate, keep him from playing hockey. While play continued around him, Sydor determined he was useless lying off to the side, so he used his arms and his one good leg to drag his body through other players towards the front of the net in an attempt to block shots.

Now, tell me anytime when an obviously injured basketball player continued playing and contributed to aiding his team because the refs wouldn't blow the whistle. This happened in 2000, so anything from then until now. Both sports use their legs, and without legs you should be useless right. After all, that was your argument for Lebron not continuing with a cramp. So please enlighten us...


I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.
 
2012-06-25 03:50:44 PM
Shun Fujimoto is probably laughing at us.
 
2012-06-25 03:51:54 PM

FreakinB: I would actually agree with the idea that LeBron is the most physically gifted athlete on the planet. But as stated before I'm a fan of both hockey and basketball so please don't kill me.

/I'd also put Usain Bolt in the discussion


I'd put Jackie Chan into the mixture. Or how about Donnie Yen? Perhaps even Cyril Raffaelli the actor from District B13.
 
2012-06-25 03:53:02 PM

Rapmaster2000: "I wonder what kind of face LeBron would make if he took a slapper off the laces?" tweeted Blake Wheeler of the Winnipeg Jets

Lulz. Hey champ, you play in Winnipeg because America's 9th largest metro couldn't get enough people who would pay to watch you play.

The Los Angeles Kings' victory over the New Jersey Devils in six games averaged a 2.2 rating and 4 share on NBC.

The five games between the Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder on ABC averaged a 10.1 rating

Hate hate hate hate hate!


Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series. Even if they did, they're too busy committing crimes, getting arrested and knocking up chicks while neglecting to father the dozens of illegitimate ones that are all ready running around.


Hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater!


I kid.


On a side note, I wonder how Boston fans will embrace the brother of P.K. Subban in net...
 
2012-06-25 03:53:19 PM

Rapmaster2000: I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.


It's not even that, though. It's a "people who play my sport are tougher than people who play your sport" vs "the sport a person plays has nothing to do with how tough they are" argument.
 
2012-06-25 03:53:51 PM
Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.
 
2012-06-25 03:54:21 PM

WhiskeySticks: Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series


Even though it was on NBC.
 
2012-06-25 03:56:57 PM

NutznGum: Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.


Yeah, but he'd just drive a big, slow car, never win any races, or battle for position in the corners...
 
2012-06-25 03:57:17 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Or are we getting back into that "different skill sets" argument bullshiat again?

So you, who said you're comparing apples to oranges, now disagree with yourself.

/I'm arguing with someone dumber than an apple and an orange


Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.
 
2012-06-25 03:57:21 PM

IAmRight: Rapmaster2000: I remember engaging in "my sport is tougher than your sport" arguments. I was 15.

It's not even that, though. It's a "people who play my sport are tougher than people who play your sport" vs "the sport a person plays has nothing to do with how tough they are" argument.


Hey, no arguments there. The wrestlers in my HS were huge proponents of the "basketball is for pussies" argument. Meanwhile, basketball gets 2,000 fans on Friday night and no one watches wrestling.
 
2012-06-25 03:57:47 PM
keylock71


New Age Redneck: Mike_LowELL

The most physically-gifted athlete on the planet.

No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

/holy f*cking hyperbole, batman

Not familiar with his Mike's work, are you?

The man is a master of the craft.


I kinda gathered that, cheers. In fact he's so good I'll bite.

Mike_LowELL

New Age Redneck: No, he's not. Not even close. Great basket ball player? Sure.

Judging by the fact you said "Not even close", I'm going to assume you have a long list of 6'6-6'8, 270-pound professional athletes with the agility and speed of NFL wide-receivers?


Bully for that motherf*cker. He's a big man blessed with fast-twitch muscle. If you wish to address other attributes which would make up a great athlete like endurance, balance, strength to weight ratio, VO2, etc. I don't think he would even be in the same ball park as say Ueli Steck. (Warning: Awful music alert.)

Are we using Hemingway's definition of sport and thus athlete in this holy contrived discussion?
 
2012-06-25 03:59:45 PM

keylock71: NutznGum: Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.

Yeah, but he'd just drive a big, slow car, never win any races, or battle for position in the corners...


Well played.
 
2012-06-25 04:00:32 PM

IAmRight: You're completely making up statements I never made and arguing against them, so no, I'm not. What you think I'm saying is wrong, but I didn't say that.


IAmRight: How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?


One. Hockey players regularly catch the puck and drop it the floor so as not to carry it.

IAmRight: Getting hit with a puck? That's voluntary - you can play through that because you still have control of your entire body

Two. Getting hit with a puck in the face makes you lose temporary control of sight and breathing considering the pain it can cause. Yet, players shake it off and play through the pain.

IAmRight: Honestly, it's because of the knees and legs - you need 'em in the NBA and jumping kills 'em. It's not like they're cars where you can just replace the suspension. Hockey is more violent, yes, but it doesn't have the repetitive stressors that basketball does.

Three. You have to constantly peddle your feet in order to skate, change direction, skate backwards, stop, sprint from the stopped position to the spot on the ice where the puck is.

Ah, ha ha. Three separate counts where you fail to understand the physics involved in hockey and in fact, you write them off as being incidental.
 
2012-06-25 04:00:38 PM

IAmRight: WhiskeySticks: Inner-city youths don't get the NBC sports network with their free tv programming so they couldn't follow the whole series

Even though it was on NBC.


Talkin the whole series, Chachi. Game 4 was not, it was on the NBC Sports Network.
 
2012-06-25 04:01:22 PM
Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.
 
2012-06-25 04:01:33 PM

SultanofSchwing: Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.


Sorry, so many similarly-minded retards.

It doesn't change the fact that you're claiming to determine someone's toughness via their job.
 
2012-06-25 04:02:05 PM
I like hockey a lot....more into NHL than NBA now....but crapping on LeBron because of cramps is weak.

Even the best hockey players rarely go 30 mins in a 60 min game....jeez...most hockey players rarely go 5 mins consecutive in a game. Line Change. I am sure LBJ went at least 40 min in every Finals game

Oh, and lest not forget the TV/Media breaks every 4 min for hockey games. Even the minor leagues in the US have them. Even the Olympics and Intl hockey covertly have them....they clean up the ice around the goal every 7-8 min of clock time

In fact, anyone truly following hockey has to be embarrassed by these comments. And, you know the NBA guys get a kick outta "what, hockeyguy get replaced after 2 minutes on ice"
 
2012-06-25 04:03:48 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Actually I didn't say that. Ever. Try to keep up.

Sorry, so many similarly-minded retards.

It doesn't change the fact that you're claiming to determine someone's toughness via their job.


No, I'm countering uneducated bullshiat with facts. You're having a tantrum and holding your breath until someone pays notice.
 
2012-06-25 04:05:18 PM

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Sounds like the people who watch and play hockey are tougher than the people who watch and play other sports and could easily take those pussies in a fight.

Fortunately for me, I play Extreme Nut Kicking, so I can assure you that people like me are even more masculine and tougher than the people who watch and play hockey. No doubt about it.
 
2012-06-25 04:05:19 PM

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.
 
2012-06-25 04:06:01 PM

Gunderson: Don't the WBA players play through their cramps on a monthly basis?


This needs to be on every page.
 
2012-06-25 04:06:43 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: One. Hockey players regularly catch the puck and drop it the floor so as not to carry it.


Regularly? This happens less than once per game per player.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Two. Getting hit with a puck in the face makes you lose temporary control of sight and breathing considering the pain it can cause. Yet, players shake it off and play through the pain.


Not effectively - and it doesn't prevent you from playing, as evidenced by them playing through it.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Three. You have to constantly peddle your feet in order to skate, change direction, skate backwards, stop, sprint from the stopped position to the spot on the ice where the puck is.


Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.

SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.


Probably because they're already on the bench, so you wouldn't notice if they weren't out there anyway. And because one hockey player (exception: goalie) doesn't matter that much. It's why you can have a power play.
 
2012-06-25 04:07:00 PM

IAmRight: First of all, the play would be stopped because the team would call a timeout. You can't afford to play 5-on-4 for more than a possession in basketball, because people score consistently.


Hockey only gets three timeouts a game. There is more strategy in calling them. Hockey often plays 6-5 when a goalie is pulled not to mention 5-3 depending on the penalty. Yes, they are different sports, yet hockey seems to show more gumption towards play. Not eight time-outs to advance the ball to center-ice, or calling time-out to keep possession because it might be ripped away from you.

Come on Mr. Attack, debate me without the "jesus, you're stupid line". You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.

you have pee hands: I'm sure Mr. Traffic Cone there has a very high tolerance for pain but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the sport that they don't stop to get an obviously injured player off the ice. There's no way to be of much use to your team lying prone on a basketball court and anyway they'd just stop play.


It's not a ringing endorsement of fairness or civility which I contend shows how much tougher a hockey player has to be. But it is telling that refs don't automatically buy every flop and dropped player as they do in basketball. Or perhaps we should ask Dwayne Wade about his eye?
 
2012-06-25 04:08:52 PM

boozehat: ongbok: toddism: i agree with them. Watch last year when Stamkos takes a puck to the face, skates off on his own and comes back to finish the game with gauze stuffed in his nose. Then, watch a bball game. These guys fall down and act like they are in a WWE fight. Useless sport.

//hockey - it aint for wusses.

You are right. No NBA player, especially a star player, has ever broken his nose durring a game and finished the game.

Once.


THIS. Thing about hockey is it is not all that uncommon for a player to get really hurt and keep going.
 
2012-06-25 04:10:06 PM

FreakinB: SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.

Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.


There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.
 
2012-06-25 04:10:13 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.


When the f*ck did they add two timeouts? Back when I gave a sh*t, they had one timeout, and usually never used it. An intelligent coach would probably see his player out there being completely useless and call timeout to get him off the ice or his goalie would ice the puck or a teammate would flip the puck over the boards.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.


Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.
 
2012-06-25 04:10:49 PM
No one can truly know who's the 'tougher' person and I don't think any of us here could even agree on a definition of toughness. But, for the sake of this discussion, I think you can look at the respective sports they play and make a judgement based on that. And yes, this is a ridiculous discussion. It reminds me of the 'who's the strongest fictional character?' thread we had a while back.

And for the record, the list of toughest sports in order is:

1) Peruvian xxtreme nut kicking
2) Welsh shin kicking
3) Soccer
4) Everything else
 
2012-06-25 04:12:05 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.


To clarify, it's only one per game. You only take it if you absolutely have to.
 
2012-06-25 04:13:22 PM

IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.


But the goalie weighing an extra 50 pounds that stands or bends repeatedly during the entire 60 minutes doesn't count right?

Try doing it sometime asshole. Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.

It's not fanfic, it's reality. A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses. I don't think jumping a whopping 18 inches to dunk a ball is as physical as getting from a kneeling position to defend a goal while people crowd your vision and crash into you with blades no less. Just ask Clint Mularchuk.

You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough. I think it's wrong and have provided my reasoning for this.
 
2012-06-25 04:13:26 PM

SultanofSchwing: FreakinB: SultanofSchwing: Bottom line is, you're not going to see an NHL player puss out or act up in the last minutes of a championship game because their leg cramped up. Regardless of the score.

Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.

There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.


Somehow I doubt that he wasn't re-hydrating during the game. But regardless, I'm not talking about stuff he could have done earlier, I'm talking about in the moment. Given that the cramps are happening, what can you do? Not a whole lot.

And I'm no longer one to shiat on soccer players. Sure there's diving, but there's a lot of legitimate stuff going on there too.
 
2012-06-25 04:16:25 PM

SultanofSchwing: Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.

To clarify, it's only one per game. You only take it if you absolutely have to.


I was baiting to exemplify how much more stressing hockey players have it. He instantly came out and correctly cited the one timeout compared to the inordinate amount basketball players get.

IAmRight: Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.


There is only one of me. And now the sport is tough, but the people that do it aren't? What color is the sky on your planet? So boxing is tough, but boxers aren't. Rugby is tough, but rugby players aren't?

Are you completely farked in the head?
 
2012-06-25 04:16:26 PM

FreakinB: And I'm no longer one to shiat on soccer players. Sure there's diving, but there's a lot of legitimate stuff going on there too.


I'll agree that the England/Italy Euro Cup game was pretty clean, the sport is still unfortunately mired in a lot of bullshiat though.
 
2012-06-25 04:19:02 PM

IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.


Attention everyone. Squatting with weight does not stress the knees as much as jumping rope. You heard it here! I guess all those bodybuilders that tear ligaments are just faking it. Oh and football players that stand in three-point stances aren't stressing their knees either. Hmmm, guess I'll just toss these exercise books away since IAmRight knows more about the human body.
 
2012-06-25 04:20:42 PM

IAmRight: I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS


Even though he's dead, Bob Probert disagrees.
 
2012-06-25 04:21:10 PM

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: Hockey only gets three timeouts a game.

When the f*ck did they add two timeouts? Back when I gave a sh*t, they had one timeout, and usually never used it. An intelligent coach would probably see his player out there being completely useless and call timeout to get him off the ice or his goalie would ice the puck or a teammate would flip the puck over the boards.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You advance the idea that hockey isn't tougher than basketball, yet you only deflect each contention brought up.

Once again, you illiterate f*cks, I said that hockey PLAYERS are not tougher than basketball PLAYERS. Hockey is a tougher sport, but that has nothing to do with the players' individual toughness.


Don't know where he got the 3 time-outs from. It's only 1 timeout and it's used in almost every game, in different situations. When was the last time you did watch hockey? Back when goalies never went into the butterfly? You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.
 
2012-06-25 04:21:20 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: IAmRight: Which doesn't place nearly the stress on knee ligaments as repeated jumping does. Holy f*ck, go read some books, moron, instead of writing hockey fanfic.

Attention everyone. Squatting with weight does not stress the knees as much as jumping rope. You heard it here! I guess all those bodybuilders that tear ligaments are just faking it. Oh and football players that stand in three-point stances aren't stressing their knees either. Hmmm, guess I'll just toss these exercise books away since IAmRight knows more about the human body.


The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.
 
2012-06-25 04:22:30 PM

FreakinB: Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.


Cramping is the result of improper stretching and dehydration. It is perfectly preventable in the instance the hockey players are clowning Lebron for. Now, if someone crashed into him and directly contacted between the thigh muscles, they wouldn't have a point. If cramping was so prevalent then I would believe that professional runners would be falling all the time.
 
2012-06-25 04:24:42 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses.


Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.


Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough.


Perhaps if you understood the arguments, you wouldn't look like such a moron. I'm not using jumping (which rarely happens in hockey) as proof that players are as tough. I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.
 
2012-06-25 04:26:10 PM

SultanofSchwing: There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.


Soccer, and the NFL, which we know well to be full of pussies. They even wine about health care like a bunch of socialists.

How are you going to apply heat and stretch in the middle of a game? Hang on everyone, it'll just be a couple minutes.
 
2012-06-25 04:28:56 PM

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: A center recovers maybe 20 rebounds. So that's twenty jumps. Add double to this when he jumps and misses.

Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.

Cookbook's Anarchist: Try standing with 50 pounds on your back and do a butterfly split while holding a stick 40 times. Then jump up an down 50 times and tell me which is harder. It shows you don't play sports.

Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.

Cookbook's Anarchist: You're an asshole, and it becomes so much more apparent as you try to derail the discussion by hiding behind the "they're different sports" argument while simultaneously stating that jumping which also happens in hockey, albeit not as much is proof positive that basketball players are as tough.

Perhaps if you understood the arguments, you wouldn't look like such a moron. I'm not using jumping (which rarely happens in hockey) as proof that players are as tough. I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.


You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.
 
2012-06-25 04:29:01 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: FreakinB: Look, I like hockey as much of the next guy, but getting on an player (basketball, hockey, whatever) for being taken down by cramps just doesn't strike me as a valid point. There's nothing you can do about them and they make you more or less useless. Better to heal and get somebody out there who's not going to be a liability.

Cramping is the result of improper stretching and dehydration. It is perfectly preventable in the instance the hockey players are clowning Lebron for. Now, if someone crashed into him and directly contacted between the thigh muscles, they wouldn't have a point. If cramping was so prevalent then I would believe that professional runners would be falling all the time.


Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.
 
2012-06-25 04:30:17 PM

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.


Because it's full of bullshiat hyperbole. How did someone get from squatting with 50 pounds of gear to serious weightlifting?
 
2012-06-25 04:30:29 PM

zippolight2002: You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.


I didn't think about the instances where you can call a timeout. I RARELY have seen a timeout called. But you can flip the puck over the glass outside of your defensive zone. And what's the difference between taking a penalty and LEAVING YOUR TEAMMATE OUT ON THE ICE TO JUST TAKE SHOTS TO THE FACE BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET UP?

I dunno, maybe I always liked my teammates too much to just let 'em sit out there seriously injured without getting medical attention.

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.


Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?
 
2012-06-25 04:31:33 PM

MugzyBrown: keylock71: I don't know about that... Chara could probably beat him in a bicycle race, climbing a mountain, and, based on his work-out regime, I'm guessing he could probably beat Lebron at just about everything except basketball.

Ummm so he likes to ride his bike a lot. It doesn't say he's a great cyclist.

If you put Lebron in pretty much any athletic event, he would absolutely smoke him. 100m dash, 1,000m, high jump, shotput... assuming they both can swim 100m freestyle.

Chara isn't even particularly gifted at hockey. He skates very well for his size, but to say he skates well for an NHLer would be a joke. He's good enough so that his size and reach become a huge advantage and coordinated enough so that he can use his size to generate a ton of torque on a slap shot.


Holy shiat...I'm a massive Habs fan/Bruins hater...but no fan of sports could get away with saying that without his balls detaching themselves from his body for fear of being associated with that sentence.

Zdeno Chara is one of the most physically amazing athletes ever and one of the all-time great defencemen. His height should be a disadvantage if anything, but even at his gargantuan stature, he manages to keep up with the fastest game in the world. The fact that he's agile and fast enough to keep up is mind blowing.

Hockey is a man's sport filled with tough men. Basketball is filled with divas trying to milk a sprained knee to seem like they're "toughing it out" for the cameras a-la Paul Pierce (one of the most embarrassing moments of sissydom in sports history).
 
2012-06-25 04:31:50 PM
Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.
 
2012-06-25 04:32:16 PM

you have pee hands: SultanofSchwing: There's lots that you can do about it. If he had slammed some gatorade at the half, it would have likely taken care of it. Heat and stretching would have stopped the cramp as well. Only other sport that even comes to mind that players puss out for cramps is Soccer...and I'm pretty sure everyone here has there reservations about that.

Soccer, and the NFL, which we know well to be full of pussies. They even wine about health care like a bunch of socialists.

How are you going to apply heat and stretch in the middle of a game? Hang on everyone, it'll just be a couple minutes.


By having a training staff that isn't pants-on-head retarded? Maybe they're a rarity in Florida but you can buy instant heating packs (the snappable kind) at most stores for like $3 and they provide a good amount of deep heat, would only need it for about 30 seconds and another 30 to stretch the leg. Even if it didn't cause a recovery, doing something to try and get into the game again instead of hamming it up for the cameras would have likely prevented any comments.
 
2012-06-25 04:33:42 PM

TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.


That's pussy talk, go play soccer you homo!!1!
 
2012-06-25 04:34:10 PM

boozehat: You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.


Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.

FreakinB: Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.


Clearly he should've stayed in and risked long-term injury to himself AND caused damage to his team because he wouldn't have been at full capacity, possibly causing them to lose the game (and if he were injured) the series.
 
2012-06-25 04:34:47 PM

IAmRight: Yes, they only jump when they get rebounds. Holy sh*t, I'm the ignorant one? At least I've watched hockey before.


No, they jump for rebounds and dunks. But those that are jumping and dunking usually have the height so as not to jump to their limit. Yes, you are farking ignorant because you are painting the jumping in basketball like a goddamn double-dutch marathon. It isn't House of Pain biatch! Watching the Mighty Ducks doesn't count.

IAmRight: Yeah, there's not a significant difference between having 50 lbs on your back and having 50 lbs, mostly distributed lower on your body, and put specifically to protect your knees.

BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.


The padding covers the entire body as if they player gained the weight. So place a player in a fat suit, and how well will they fare. The padding on the knees can be lighter than the body protection involving the mask, the stick, the blocker, the glove. The padding doesn't completely stop the shock of hitting the ice which you would know if you actually played hockey, much less goalie. Not to mention, a butterfly split involves twisting the knee to land the pad on its side, but that doesn't stress the knee as you pointed out. Moron.

IAmRight: BTW, I played both hockey and basketball growing up, mostly as a goalie.


Yes, I enjoyed the Genesis NBA Jam and NHL 97 as well, but we're talking real sports junior.

IAmRight: I'm saying that the athletic movements required of each sport are completely different. Maybe you should examine yourself and ask yourself why it's so important to you that hockey players be considered the toughest of all athletes. It's kind of retardedly pathetic.


Athletic movements use the same muscle groups, therefore they are comparable which again you would know if you played sports. Sprinting and skating involve the same legs. Shooting a puck and shooting a ball involve the arms and back and shoulder. Lateral movement involves the core muscles. But sure, completely different movements and muscles. I guess basketball players and hockey players are differently evolved in your world. And the argument is that hockey players are tougher than basketball players. You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute unless you don't have any idea how the human body works.

I have to ask, are you sure you're not Pearl from the movie Blade? You can use a computer, but I don't think you've actually used your leg muscles once except to scoot the Cheetos bag closer.
 
2012-06-25 04:34:48 PM

IAmRight: Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?


I understand how bad trolling works. I learned it from you.
 
2012-06-25 04:35:08 PM

TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.


It's interesting how, for the most part, basketball fans here tend to enjoy all sports and hockey fans need for hockey to be the only one acknowledged.
 
2012-06-25 04:37:17 PM

IAmRight: zippolight2002: You can't call a time-out during play, and you can't flip the puck out of play without taking a penalty.

I didn't think about the instances where you can call a timeout. I RARELY have seen a timeout called. But you can flip the puck over the glass outside of your defensive zone. And what's the difference between taking a penalty and LEAVING YOUR TEAMMATE OUT ON THE ICE TO JUST TAKE SHOTS TO THE FACE BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET UP?

I dunno, maybe I always liked my teammates too much to just let 'em sit out there seriously injured without getting medical attention.

SultanofSchwing: The sad part is there's probably more than a few peoplealts here nodding in approval and eating up every scrap of bullshiat he's delivering here.

Yes, I would make alts in order to have them not post and silently agree with me. Do you understand how ANYTHING works?


That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.
 
2012-06-25 04:39:10 PM

FreakinB: Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.


Kobe Bryant played with a broken finger on his dominant hand. Pain is a mental thing that can be played through. It is valid if the pain doesn't exactly hobble the player especially when a cramp is best relieved through movement and blood flow. Sitting on the side clutching it causes more harm than walking if off. So I say yes. Now, if the coach decided it, it would be out of the player's hands but that isn't the case here. This is about individual resolve. And I believe that hockey players have more.
 
2012-06-25 04:40:10 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute


You're essentially saying that someone who works in a warehouse is tougher than someone who works in an office.

Who cares if the warehouseman is a 73-year-old woman who uses a forklift for everything over 20 lbs? It's a more physically demanding job than the guy working in the office's job! Therefore she's tougher! Who cares if he constantly works out and fights angry bears every weekend, he didn't want to deal with the toughness of working on a warehouse floor! It's not that he's college-educated and enjoys his job and gets paid better! He's not working in that warehouse because he's just not tough!

But if you didn't take 30,000 pucks to the head, you might be able to figure this out.
 
2012-06-25 04:40:33 PM

IAmRight: TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.

It's interesting how, for the most part, basketball fans here tend to enjoy all sports and hockey fans need for hockey to be the only one acknowledged.


Pfft. Like you know. You probably never played any sports. You could never get into my Over-30 No Contact Hockey division at Suburban Skate.
 
2012-06-25 04:41:16 PM

IAmRight: SultanofSchwing: Though not in the playoffs, Olli Jokinen had a similar injury to Chris Bosh (that actually required surgery to fix) and played it out until the end of the regular season.

How many times are hockey players required to lift their hands above their heads and pull them down with force in a hockey game? Approximately never?

Basketball players have to do it dozens of times per game.

Again, it's like you don't understand the concept of different sports requiring different athletic maneuvers, with different roster restrictions, and how this would affect "toughness" perceptions.

You just want to keep slobbing hockey's collective knob. So if it's so important to you, you just keep believing it, rather than having the intelligence to acknowledge a system's effect on how things appear.

You certainly are tough, continuing to post despite severe brain damage. Congrats.


This is the second dumbest thing I have ever seen you type. The 2 most used muscle groups used in hockey are the groin and the abs. Proper skating requires you to squatting at all times, the stability comes from your core. A torn abdomen would be excruciating, and got help you if you ever had to shoot, dump, or lob the puck.

As someone who has played both sports, I DEFINITELY took more of a beating playing hockey. Broke toes, nose, fingers and kept playing. Dislocated a shoulder on the ice and had it put back in and played the rest of the game. The culture and expectations of the game is to do that. Playing basketball, I slightly rolled an ankle and sat for the rest of the game with my foot on ice (turned out it was fine). Basketball doesn't have that same level of cultural expectation to play through injuries that hockey has, even at the lower levels (like high school and IM's in college).

/the toughness of an individual is variable based on the situation.
//women: childbirth vs other times
///soldiers in an active theater vs on leave
 
2012-06-25 04:41:21 PM

New Age Redneck: Are we using Hemingway's definition of sport and thus athlete in this holy contrived discussion?


I'm using the term "physically-gifted" on the basis of what skills and properties other athletes do not have and are physically unable to obtain.

Oh, and this discussion has worn its course.
 
2012-06-25 04:41:37 PM

IAmRight: Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.


Wow...best be joking about this, or else you will invalidate everything you have said against goalies. To have not even played with the right equipment prevents you from arguing the merits of a goalie's skill set and stress. God I hate you.
 
2012-06-25 04:42:08 PM

zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.


If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.
 
2012-06-25 04:43:07 PM
Oh, and just to note, the combination of rage and sarcasm in this thread has made this thread about as transparent as a painted window. I love it so much.
 
2012-06-25 04:44:31 PM

IAmRight: zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.

If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.


Oh, you mean a severe injury where the ref stops play automatically as soon as the team who's player is down touches the puck? You really should atleast watch a little hockey before claiming to know anything about the sport. You say you used to watch it, but it's getting harder and harder to believe.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:10 PM

SultanofSchwing: By having a training staff that isn't pants-on-head retarded? Maybe they're a rarity in Florida but you can buy instant heating packs (the snappable kind) at most stores for like $3 and they provide a good amount of deep heat, would only need it for about 30 seconds and another 30 to stretch the leg. Even if it didn't cause a recovery, doing something to try and get into the game again instead of hamming it up for the cameras would have likely prevented any comments.


He did go back in the game after a bit. He just couldn't make any really powerful movements without it cramping up again, so he came back out. You can't get any meaningful recovery of a quad cramp in a few minutes with a heat pack and it was already late in the 4th quarter.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:11 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: FreakinB: Again, throw out the preventative stuff you can do, this isn't about that. This entire trainwreck of a thread has been about playing through pain, so take the pain as a given. Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.

Kobe Bryant played with a broken finger on his dominant hand. Pain is a mental thing that can be played through. It is valid if the pain doesn't exactly hobble the player especially when a cramp is best relieved through movement and blood flow. Sitting on the side clutching it causes more harm than walking if off. So I say yes. Now, if the coach decided it, it would be out of the player's hands but that isn't the case here. This is about individual resolve. And I believe that hockey players have more.


In basketball, a cramped leg hobbles a player *way* more than a broken finger. One might affect your shot a bit, the other hinders pretty much everything you do. And even if it's best resolved through movement and blood flow, I'd argue that the time for getting that movement and blood flow is *not* on the court during the final stages of a close Finals game.

As for "individual resolve," and I truly mean this in all sincerity, who gives a flying rat fark? Different sports have different circumstances and different cultures. It's a meaningless argument.
 
2012-06-25 04:45:32 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Wow...best be joking about this, or else you will invalidate everything you have said against goalies. To have not even played with the right equipment prevents you from arguing the merits of a goalie's skill set and stress. God I hate you.


You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.

abmoraz: As someone who has played both sports, I DEFINITELY took more of a beating playing hockey.


But when you were playing basketball, you were clearly a less tough person than you were when you played hockey, right? Because we're not arguing whether a sport is tougher. We're arguing about what sport you play having anything to do with how tough you are.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:14 PM
and I should rephrase that, it's not necessarily when the team touches the puck. It can be when the ref deems no high scoring opportunity for either team is present. It's up the refs discretion.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:14 PM

IAmRight: zippolight2002: That's weird, because I see timeouts called alot, unless it's a blowout, but I can't recall a single time I've seen a team intentionally throw the puck out of play outside of the defensive zone when they could just dump it in and change lines. I'm really starting to think you're just a troll.

If the player was crippled on the ice to the point that he couldn't get off the ice, what good is dumping the puck going to do? We're specifically talking about a situation where a teammate is lying on the ice and can't get up and put any weight on his leg. He's flailing around on the ice because he's utterly useless. If you are his teammate and you're not stopping play as quickly as possible, you're an asshole.


If a teammate of the injured player gains possession of the puck and that player is incapable of getting off the ice, the play is blown down. It's only while the opposing team is in possession that play continues. The exception is when the injury is the result of a penalty.

I love this running commentary on the rules of the game you know nothing about.
 
2012-06-25 04:46:28 PM
The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...
 
2012-06-25 04:47:48 PM

IAmRight: You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.


Were you playing goddamn street hockey? Shut up already.
 
2012-06-25 04:48:43 PM

Killer Cars: Blake Wheeler is the most "notable" person quoted in that article. A small handful of hockey nobodies talking sh*t on Twitter isn't exactly the most newsworthy thing in the world.


Personally, I always start my day off by reading tweets from the entire roster of the Winnipeg Mushdogs or whatever the hell they're called now. I find that getting commentary from players in a distant 4th place pro sports league like the NHL gives observations a nice working-class slant that the fatcat liberal JEW New York media usually filters out. It's like drinking the truth straight from the tap!

"Up next - you won't believe what a certain power forward for the Saskatoon Milkbaggers had to say about the NFL! Tune in to find out what he said, and how you can sponsor him for the cost of a cup of coffee a day"
 
2012-06-25 04:49:39 PM

IAmRight: boozehat: You sound fat. In youth hockey, mights, squirts, etc.... they make the fat kid play goalie.

Yeah, I didn't play lame-ass regular hockey. I played goalie because my parents wouldn't buy me roller blades. I used either catcher shin guards and a baseball mitt or no padding and a baseball glove and a stick. Sometimes not even a goalie stick.

FreakinB: Is it at all valid to get on a player for not playing through something that makes him just about useless? I say no.

Clearly he should've stayed in and risked long-term injury to himself AND caused damage to his team because he wouldn't have been at full capacity, possibly causing them to lose the game (and if he were injured) the series.


So your hockey experience can be summed up by you standing in the street with sneakers on, holidng a baseball glove?
 
2012-06-25 04:51:05 PM

zippolight2002: Oh, you mean a severe injury where the ref stops play automatically as soon as the team who's player is down touches the puck?


Please go read the thread - I was told to find an example of an NBA situation where someone was crippled on the court and play just kept going on around him and he continued to play from the ground, because supposedly this happened in a hockey game.

I'm not the one coming up with this situation - I'm saying that if someone were so injured on the ice, play would stop. Just as it would in basketball.

SultanofSchwing: If a teammate of the injured player gains possession of the puck and that player is incapable of getting off the ice, the play is blown down. It's only while the opposing team is in possession that play continues.


SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF AN NBA PLAYER STAYING ON THE COURT THROUGH A POSSESSION WHERE HE WAS INJURED? HOW ABOUT EVERY F*CKING TIME A PLAYER IS INJURED, you can't call timeout until you have the ball in basketball either, f*ckstain.
 
2012-06-25 04:51:24 PM

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: You acknowledge that the physical demands of hockey are tougher, but the people that fulfill these demands are not which does not compute

You're essentially saying that someone who works in a warehouse is tougher than someone who works in an office.

Who cares if the warehouseman is a 73-year-old woman who uses a forklift for everything over 20 lbs? It's a more physically demanding job than the guy working in the office's job! Therefore she's tougher! Who cares if he constantly works out and fights angry bears every weekend, he didn't want to deal with the toughness of working on a warehouse floor! It's not that he's college-educated and enjoys his job and gets paid better! He's not working in that warehouse because he's just not tough!

But if you didn't take 30,000 pucks to the head, you might be able to figure this out.


Does the woman fight in alleys and parking lots on her off-nights for a few extra bucks? I need more information before I outright call you stupid for this comparison especially after getting on someone about apples and oranges. Get back to sports dumbass, finish your argument before ranting and becoming a caricature of yourself.

The argument presented is basketball players versus hockey players. Hell at least move laterally into baseball or rugby or boxing or shotput... You're just off the rails now man. That Miami championship has gotten you skullfarked.

So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.
 
2012-06-25 04:51:33 PM

AKTurkey: The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...


Ya, but you'll also being seeing the Leafs....


/Leaf fan
 
2012-06-25 04:52:46 PM

boozehat: So your hockey experience can be summed up by you standing in the street with sneakers on, holidng a baseball glove?


Hey boozehat, how many ice rinks were there in southern California two decades ago?

/not many
 
2012-06-25 04:53:09 PM

SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.

Were you playing goddamn street hockey? Shut up already.


From his description, it sounds like he was maybe playing stick-ball.
 
2012-06-25 04:53:15 PM
 
2012-06-25 04:54:44 PM

IAmRight: SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF AN NBA PLAYER STAYING ON THE COURT THROUGH A POSSESSION WHERE HE WAS INJURED? HOW ABOUT EVERY F*CKING TIME A PLAYER IS INJURED, you can't call timeout until you have the ball in basketball either, f*ckstain.


Once again, no...I'm not asking for that. Nor did I ever say that. You don't even know what you're arguing or who you're arguing against anymore.
 
2012-06-25 04:55:26 PM

IAmRight: You're right, facing shots with no equipment is clearly weaker than facing shots with padding all over your body.


No, it's just stupid. You're not even arguing regulation sports. You're talking about some grabass in your front yard. I'm not going to call you strong just because you pull a Happy Gilmore and stand in front of a baseball machine, although that does prove my point about hockey players being tougher but then again, facing an object that comes at you 90mph is what hockey players have to deal with.

You, you're just a simpleton.
 
2012-06-25 04:55:43 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.


Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.
 
2012-06-25 04:56:33 PM

AKTurkey: The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...


Anyone got a line on 2 tickets to the Leafs opener against the Habs? I'll be in Toronto that weekend and don't want to resort to giving an old fashioned to a guy at the bus station to get tickets to the game.
 
2012-06-25 04:57:18 PM

NutznGum: Here's a tough hockey player faking an injury during a playoff game, leading to a goal against.

/fuel for the fire


Kovalev is a biatch. That entire class from Montreal around then was full of turdbags, like Ribiero. Both of them got ripped on for it, it's not like anyone is celebrating.
 
2012-06-25 04:57:29 PM

IAmRight: boozehat: So your hockey experience can be summed up by you standing in the street with sneakers on, holidng a baseball glove?

Hey boozehat, how many ice rinks were there in southern California two decades ago?

/not many


First off, I grew up playing in NorCal... Belmont Iceland to be exact. Prior to the Sharks coming to San Jose, there were less than 10 teams we would play, ranging from Fresno to Santa Rosa.

In SoCal during that time, there were over 20 teams in LA and Orange counties. An area that spans, what, 100 miles? 150 miles tops?

The existance Kings in SoCal had drivin hockey down here a lot.

BTW, do you have a point at all? Roller-boy
 
2012-06-25 04:59:02 PM

IAmRight: Hey boozehat, how many ice rinks were there in southern California two decades ago?

/not many


Yeah, I'm just gonna keep arguing against your stupidity. You stated you played with that shiat because you didn't have roller blades and now, you're going on about not having ice rinks. You fail at so many farking sports. Hell you fail at life. I played both roller hockey and ice hockey. Ice hockey requires better skating skills therefore, ice hockey players are tougher than roller blade players. And roller hockey players are still tougher than basketball players. Come on moron. Just admit that you're wrong and we can get back to arguing the merits of flopping or the contention that Lebron is the best, something you clearly have more passion about and at least a modicum of sense.
 
2012-06-25 04:59:19 PM

boozehat: BTW, do you have a point at all? Roller-boy


If you'll remember, the reason I was goalie is because I didn't roll.

/lol @ you little b*tches acting hard
 
2012-06-25 05:00:00 PM

SultanofSchwing: NutznGum: Here's a tough hockey player faking an injury during a playoff game, leading to a goal against.

/fuel for the fire

Kovalev is a biatch. That entire class from Montreal around then was full of turdbags, like Ribiero. Both of them got ripped on for it, it's not like anyone is celebrating.


I forgot about Ribeiro pulling that crap too. Man, what a piece of crap. Enjoy, Caps fans.
 
2012-06-25 05:00:09 PM

IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.


You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.
 
2012-06-25 05:03:53 PM

IAmRight: boozehat: BTW, do you have a point at all? Roller-boy

If you'll remember, the reason I was goalie is because I didn't roll.

/lol @ you little b*tches acting hard


Didn't see where I was "acting hard"... care to point that part out?

I also didn't claim to play a sport like you did, where in reality, you stood in the street. Receiving a participation metal doesn't actually mean you did participate. assclown
 
2012-06-25 05:04:08 PM

NutznGum: AKTurkey: The size of this thread makes me think of playoff hockey. And now I'm sad because there won't be playoff hockey for a long time. But I'm also happy because I'm reminded that I will be attending the winter classic at Michigan Stadium to see the Red Wings. So many emotions...

Ya, but you'll also being seeing the Leafs....


/Leaf fan


This is true, but I like the wings, so it's ok.
 
2012-06-25 05:04:17 PM

SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.

You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.


Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.

Just a ball = pussy.

Hockey and Lax = real gear to protect you in a real sport.

I wouldn't even waste my time on a pencil-necked geek that probably gets most of his ice time from NHL 95 - the one without fighting - the one for little baby girls! Shiat yeah!

/hockey in winter
//lax in summer
///crushing it all year long
 
2012-06-25 05:04:21 PM

NutznGum: SultanofSchwing: NutznGum: Here's a tough hockey player faking an injury during a playoff game, leading to a goal against.

/fuel for the fire

Kovalev is a biatch. That entire class from Montreal around then was full of turdbags, like Ribiero. Both of them got ripped on for it, it's not like anyone is celebrating.

I forgot about Ribeiro pulling that crap too. Man, what a piece of crap. Enjoy, Caps fans.


Every sport has their turds and the underlying point to all of this here is that Lebron is the fat brown Horn of Valhalla, triple coiler of the NBA.
 
2012-06-25 05:04:26 PM

SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.

You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.


Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.

Just a ball = pussy.

Hockey and Lax = real gear to protect you in a real sport.

I wouldn't even waste my time on such a pencil-necked geek that probably gets most of his ice time from NHL 95 - the one without fighting - the one for little baby girls! Shiat yeah!

/hockey in winter
//lax in summer
///crushing it all year long
 
2012-06-25 05:08:05 PM

FreakinB: In basketball, a cramped leg hobbles a player *way* more than a broken finger. One might affect your shot a bit, the other hinders pretty much everything you do. And even if it's best resolved through movement and blood flow, I'd argue that the time for getting that movement and blood flow is *not* on the court during the final stages of a close Finals game.


Okay, I'll concede that a leg injury is worse than a hand injury. However, above I posted a story about a player that continued playing and sacrificed himself to aid his team. Now we can argue if this was good or bad for the team, but it proves my point that hockey players are tougher than basketball. Hockey player with leg injury still contributed to help his team in the playoffs, basketball player with leg injury sat out and contributed nothing to help his team (with his injury, lest someone thinks I'm not saying Lebron helped his team) in the playoffs.

Point: Hockey players are tougher than basketball players.
 
2012-06-25 05:09:00 PM

Rapmaster2000: Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.


Also, a Dad needs to be there for any of that to happen anyway.
 
2012-06-25 05:09:48 PM
Hockey players also understand and go through more cramps than most due to the anaerobic nature of the exercise. Football lineman would be another good example. mostly preventable by drinking enough water and eating enough bananas.
 
2012-06-25 05:11:10 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Point: Hockey players are tougher than basketball players.


Who farking cares? You realize basketball isn't a contact sport, right? It's like saying that football players are better tacklers than basketball players, it's irrelevant.
 
2012-06-25 05:11:48 PM

IAmRight: Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.


Dude, the farking argument is are hockey players tougher than basketball players. You said no. I say yes. So go ahead, take a timeout and argue how basketball players are even as tough (which isn't original argument).

IAmRight: js34603: /Hockey players obviously tougher than basketball players

I dunno about that - it's not like you can say "oh, they wouldn't play through getting hit with a puck"...if a basketball player gets hit with a puck in the middle of a game, there's something seriously wrong. There's a lot of physicality in basketball.


Here, your direct quote. This is the farking argument. So argue it or admit you're wrong. It's that farking simple. I'm not the guy from Memento, so stop with this Jedi shiat about that isn't the argument.

We can start over if that's easier for your Candyland. I'll go first. Hockey players are obviously tougher than basketball players. Your move.
 
2012-06-25 05:12:52 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: FreakinB: In basketball, a cramped leg hobbles a player *way* more than a broken finger. One might affect your shot a bit, the other hinders pretty much everything you do. And even if it's best resolved through movement and blood flow, I'd argue that the time for getting that movement and blood flow is *not* on the court during the final stages of a close Finals game.

Okay, I'll concede that a leg injury is worse than a hand injury. However, above I posted a story about a player that continued playing and sacrificed himself to aid his team. Now we can argue if this was good or bad for the team, but it proves my point that hockey players are tougher than basketball. Hockey player with leg injury still contributed to help his team in the playoffs, basketball player with leg injury sat out and contributed nothing to help his team (with his injury, lest someone thinks I'm not saying Lebron helped his team) in the playoffs.

Point: Hockey players are tougher than basketball players.


What I don't understand is why you're still trying to have this "who's tougher?" argument with me when I already said that I thought it was meaningless. I'm honestly not at all interested. I'll keep watching both the Islanders and the Knicks without a thought regarding what would happen if Tavares got cramps or if Melo got hit in the face, thankyouverymuch.
 
2012-06-25 05:13:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.

You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.

Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.

Just a ball = pussy.

Hockey and Lax = real gear to protect you in a real sport.

I wouldn't even waste my time on such a pencil-necked geek that probably gets most of his ice time from NHL 95 - the one without fighting - the one for little baby girls! Shiat yeah!

/hockey in winter
//lax in summer
///crushing it all year long


It must be difficult to type around your tongue, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this farking derp-nado.

Raised by a single parent, I was still able to play organized youth hockey for 10 years. It actually doesn't cost much, especially buying second hand, seasonal registration was anywhere from $350-550, more expensive as I got older. Everything but skates is easy to get second hand, even now I got a full set of -new- gear for my adult league for about $320, not including skates (about another $220). Between what my half-brother has to pay out now for his basketball, including off-season tournaments that require fees, travel and hotel, and other equipment such as shoes (which can cost as much as a basic set of skates for him...size 14 feet), hockey was actually cheaper...by like half.

The lack of equipment isn't relevant anyway. What is relevant is that what he's describing isn't organized ice hockey, it's farkin casual street hockey/roller hockey and he's using it as a platform to show how his "toughness" is on par with NHL players.
 
2012-06-25 05:15:37 PM

FreakinB: What I don't understand is why you're still trying to have this "who's tougher?" argument with me when I already said that I thought it was meaningless. I'm honestly not at all interested. I'll keep watching both the Islanders and the Knicks without a thought regarding what would happen if Tavares got cramps or if Melo got hit in the face, thankyouverymuch.


Only because Tavares' injuries have no impact on the Islanders non-existent playoff performance!

/I keed.
 
2012-06-25 05:16:37 PM

TheJoe03: Who farking cares? You realize basketball isn't a contact sport, right? It's like saying that football players are better tacklers than basketball players, it's irrelevant.


Okay, you don't care. You think they are different. You didn't argue that they weren't. The article stated that hockey players dissed Lebron for his injury by stating that they would have done something different. Do you disagree? Do you think they would clutch their leg on the sidelines or would they attempt to get back out there without acting as if they are crippled? If this isn't what you want to discuss, don't reference me in the post because I am arguing that very point.

If you want to say that it is unfair to state they are tougher because of the difference in the demand of the sport then say that and I won't argue at all. IAmRight decided to argue it, and I decided to argue against his argument. That fair?
 
2012-06-25 05:17:45 PM
Different Sports require different skill sets and different training and conditioning. Toughness is an arbitrary standard.
 
2012-06-25 05:19:32 PM

LucklessWonder: Different Sports require different skill sets and different training and conditioning. Toughness is an arbitrary standard.


That's what a pussy soccer player would say.
 
2012-06-25 05:20:31 PM

FreakinB: What I don't understand is why you're still trying to have this "who's tougher?" argument with me when I already said that I thought it was meaningless. I'm honestly not at all interested. I'll keep watching both the Islanders and the Knicks without a thought regarding what would happen if Tavares got cramps or if Melo got hit in the face, thankyouverymuch.


I'm only arguing because you referenced my argument in the quote. That suggested that you're siding with IAmRight, the person I am arguing the "who's tougher" point against. You're not and have made that clear, and so I apologize for going on the offensive against you FreakinB.

In fact, you qualified your statement by saying it is unfair to equate the two sports, which I would agree with if that was the argument IAmRight presented, but he didn't. We have no beef, and thus I withdraw my contention against you. Kindlywelcome! :)
 
2012-06-25 05:21:19 PM

LucklessWonder: Different Sports require different skill sets and different training and conditioning. Toughness is an arbitrary standard.


Right. Basketball for example, you need skills like, lifting a 250+lb player off the court when he gets a little cramp?:

blogimages.thescore.com
 
2012-06-25 05:23:08 PM

TheJoe03: Who farking cares? You realize basketball isn't a contact sport, right? It's like saying that football players are better tacklers than basketball players, it's irrelevant.


I'm only arguing because you referenced my argument in the quote. That suggested that you're siding with IAmRight, the person I am arguing the "who's tougher" point against. You're not and have made that clear, and so I apologize for going on the offensive against you TheJoe03.

In fact, you qualified your statement by saying it is unfair to equate the two sports, which I would agree with if that was the argument IAmRight presented, but he/she (no offense to IAmRight, since I don't actually know their sex) didn't. We have no beef, and thus I withdraw my contention against you.
 
2012-06-25 05:23:57 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: Okay, you don't care. You think they are different. You didn't argue that they weren't. The article stated that hockey players dissed Lebron for his injury by stating that they would have done something different. Do you disagree? Do you think they would clutch their leg on the sidelines or would they attempt to get back out there without acting as if they are crippled? If this isn't what you want to discuss, don't reference me in the post because I am arguing that very point.


The coach shouldn't let a player who's cramping up back out, regardless of the sport. If you were cramping 2 minutes ago, you're going to cramp the next strong move you try to make. If you can't accelerate, how can you play defense? LeBron did go back in, because I guess it's hard for the coach to tell a superstar to sit in the 4th quarter of a finals game, but unless your teammates are so bad that you with no burst are better than them at 100% you should stay on the bench. The various other injuries people are talking about are a red herring - getting punched in the head is painful, but it doesn't affect your play if you don't want it to. If guys are going back out with injuries that affect their mobility just to prove toughness that's dumb on the part of the coaches.
 
2012-06-25 05:24:41 PM

NutznGum: Blake Wheeler would be a great name for a NASCAR driver.


www.ridelust.com

Approves.
 
2012-06-25 05:26:03 PM

IAmRight: /lol @ you little b*tches acting hard


lol at the whining about not having ice rinks in California when you stated your parents wouldn't buy you roller blades. Because if only you had roller blades, you could have played ice hockey. Like I said before, you fail at two sports.
 
2012-06-25 05:26:13 PM

you have pee hands: Cookbook's Anarchist: Okay, you don't care. You think they are different. You didn't argue that they weren't. The article stated that hockey players dissed Lebron for his injury by stating that they would have done something different. Do you disagree? Do you think they would clutch their leg on the sidelines or would they attempt to get back out there without acting as if they are crippled? If this isn't what you want to discuss, don't reference me in the post because I am arguing that very point.

The coach shouldn't let a player who's cramping up back out, regardless of the sport. If you were cramping 2 minutes ago, you're going to cramp the next strong move you try to make. If you can't accelerate, how can you play defense? LeBron did go back in, because I guess it's hard for the coach to tell a superstar to sit in the 4th quarter of a finals game, but unless your teammates are so bad that you with no burst are better than them at 100% you should stay on the bench. The various other injuries people are talking about are a red herring - getting punched in the head is painful, but it doesn't affect your play if you don't want it to. If guys are going back out with injuries that affect their mobility just to prove toughness that's dumb on the part of the coaches.


It's not just the "get out there and play mentality" it's body language. Hamming it up when the cameras are on you, versus put on your farking game face.
 
2012-06-25 05:35:54 PM

animesucks: if anyone can make fun of another professional athlete for not toughing it out, it's hockey players


Done in two, get the lights, let out the cat and take out the trash, it stinks.

lebron on ice....funny mental image, then Stu Grimson plants his head into the wall, and then it's really funny.
 
2012-06-25 05:36:02 PM
Mike_LowELL

New Age Redneck: Are we using Hemingway's definition of sport and thus athlete in this holy contrived discussion?

I'm using the term "physically-gifted" on the basis of what skills and properties other athletes do not have and are physically unable to obtain.

Huh? So he's more "physically gifted" than Ueli. So how come we don't see your basket ball dude soloing the Eiger? Hell, if he is so gifted maybe he can shave some minutes off the time? How about the time he won the marathon? Yeah....
Oh, and this discussion has worn its course.
Says the troll who contributes nothing to the discussion. Keylock 71 is right. I know not to bother with you. Carry on.
 
2012-06-25 05:38:47 PM
wow, i didn't think statements this dumb could appear outside of the politics tab, but mugzy brown is really making a run for it...
 
2012-06-25 05:43:07 PM

you have pee hands: The coach shouldn't let a player who's cramping up back out, regardless of the sport. If you were cramping 2 minutes ago, you're going to cramp the next strong move you try to make. If you can't accelerate, how can you play defense? LeBron did go back in, because I guess it's hard for the coach to tell a superstar to sit in the 4th quarter of a finals game, but unless your teammates are so bad that you with no burst are better than them at 100% you should stay on the bench. The various other injuries people are talking about are a red herring - getting punched in the head is painful, but it doesn't affect your play if you don't want it to. If guys are going back out with injuries that affect their mobility just to prove toughness that's dumb on the part of the coaches.


Agreed. When I was playing high school football, a player complained about his knee hurting and the coach told him "You're walking, ain't you?" The player, a lineman, kept playing and then went down even harder. The next day we found out that he tore his MCL and would be out for the season. The coach was wrong, and the player should have spoken up. Players should be responsible enough to say they cannot play.

CSB time. I played soccer and had an illness known as Sever's disease (something that affected my heels making them seem as if I was walking on glass), I told the coach I couldn't run and got subbed. The coach didn't like it because I was one of the starting fullbacks, but he accepted that running me further would worsen my ability and that affect the team. CSB out!

Have their been players on my team that have played through injury? Yes. Do I think that's a good idea? No.

CSB time again, I played on a team with a guy that ended up setting records at UNLV and then went on to play for the Carolina Panthers and then the Jacksonville Jaguars. During a high school game, he played with a 100+ temperature, he threw up on the field repeatedly. Was he tougher than me? Dear god yes! Do I think the coach should have allowed that? No, but then this guy made the pros and I couldn't even get a look from colleges. We were both starters and we each played both ways, offense and defense. CSB done.

I was and am arguing against the idea that certain sports players are tougher against IAmRight's idea that they aren't.
 
2012-06-25 05:44:13 PM

boozehat: LucklessWonder: Different Sports require different skill sets and different training and conditioning. Toughness is an arbitrary standard.

Right. Basketball for example, you need skills like, lifting a 250+lb player off the court when he gets a little cramp?:

[blogimages.thescore.com image 590x354]


What's wrong with his grill?
 
2012-06-25 05:49:33 PM

SultanofSchwing: Rapmaster2000: SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.

You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.

Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.

Just a ball = pussy.

Hockey and Lax = real gear to protect you in a real sport.

I wouldn't even waste my time on such a pencil-necked geek that probably gets most of his ice time from NHL 95 - the one without fighting - the one for little baby girls! Shiat yeah!

/hockey in winter
//lax in summer
///crushing it all year long

It must be difficult to type around your tongue, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this farking derp-nado.

Raised by a single parent, I was still able to play organized youth hockey for 10 years. It actually doesn't cost much, especially buying second hand, seasonal registration was anywhere from $350-550, more expensive as I got older. Everything but skates is easy to get second hand, even now I got a full set of -new- gear for my adult league for about $320, not including skates (about another $220). Betw ...


I'm just glad we can agree that hockey players are tougher than basketball players. It's important that everyone agrees this is true. Shiat yeah!
 
2012-06-25 05:56:09 PM
Wow, this man posts and no pictures of LeBron and Wade fake coughing? You have disappointed me fark (not sure if there are comments on it though).

The leg cramp thing though was the final straw to show that LBJ was winning this year and was going to make the leap. In the past, Miami would have tanked that game and OKC would be 2-2. It would be his anti-thesis to the Jordan flu game. OKC rides the momentum to take game 5 as people wonder if James is fit, then takes 1 of 2 at home. Instead, somehow everyone else steps up and he takes them the rest of the way.
 
2012-06-25 06:22:44 PM
Holy hell. At this rate, this thread will be longer than the NBA Finals game 6 thread.
 
2012-06-25 06:30:18 PM
/Yes, I know...
 
2012-06-25 06:42:42 PM

Cookbook's Anarchist: The article stated that hockey players dissed Lebron for his injury by stating that they would have done something different. Do you disagree? Do you think they would clutch their leg on the sidelines or would they attempt to get back out there without acting as if they are crippled?


I can agree with everything you said except for this. I don't think LeBron was faking that injury, and it isn't smart to play with cramps (especially in basketball). The players just sound like a bunch of scrubs that are banking on the "toughness" of hockey to insult a superior athlete in a more popular sport. LeBron did try to go back out there actually and it is asinine to say that he wasn't trying to play important minutes in the Finals. I also think LeBron is big enough to play the "tough" sports and he could probably kick of some of those hockey players asses.
 
2012-06-25 06:45:37 PM

TheJoe03: I don't think LeBron was faking that injury, and it isn't smart to play with cramps (especially in basketball).


he tried a little. Even scored a couple baskets. It just looked like he was going to be a horrible liability on defense, which is why I'm guessing he took himself out.
 
2012-06-25 07:08:43 PM
Basketball players are wimps. I mean come on when was the last time you heard
of a basketball player playing 3? days after having surgery on one of his testicles. (Lidstrom)
 
2012-06-25 07:26:31 PM

TheJoe03: I can agree with everything you said except for this. I don't think LeBron was faking that injury, and it isn't smart to play with cramps (especially in basketball). The players just sound like a bunch of scrubs that are banking on the "toughness" of hockey to insult a superior athlete in a more popular sport. LeBron did try to go back out there actually and it is asinine to say that he wasn't trying to play important minutes in the Finals. I also think LeBron is big enough to play the "tough" sports and he could probably kick of some of those hockey players asses.


I will agree that Lebron did try this season and it showed, as Miami won the championship, fair and square. He is an incredible athlete and a phenomenal basketball player, despite my feelings regarding "The Decision" and his behavior in regards to Cleveland in general, which I admit pollute my opinion of him.

But I believe in previous seasons, even with Miami last year, that he overplayed his injuries, cramps, strains, etc. in order to prevent negative attention for his team's failure.

I think the hockey players are conflating,both this year's behavior (cramps) as well as previous seasons (his shoulder injury), the two. I will never deny his talent and ability. But in previous years, he has acted as if his injuries were so crippling as to prevent his team from going forward and thus, I do believe he seeks the attention and wants his own Jordan Flu Game moment because Lebron has shown that he wants the media attention.

Could he have been tougher and more resilient in the past? Yes. But as of now, he contributed to a championship in which he was the star. I will still dislike him for his past behavior, but once again, I won't deny this year's performance (and his performance individually) even at the cost of my Lakers. :

Stupid lazy Lakers! (but I digress).

He was not faking the injury, but I do believe he faked the intensity of the pain (after all, it is just a leg cramp not a torn ACL or sprained knee or torn meniscus) in order to drive the narrative that he is the best despite pain. Once again, it seems that he is more a victim of the current media (don't get me started on the gobbling that van Gundy does), and so he plays it as they expect. This is the same way I feel about flopping. I don't like that anyone uses it, even my own team.

Once again, I will say that overall hockey players act in a tougher manner than basketball players; however, Lebron has earned his MVP and I don't personally think he is weak, but he plays a great narrative because that is what the media wants and he knows how to play that game. And I hate it, but I won't stop watching basketball.
 
2012-06-25 08:15:10 PM
Pretty much every farking story in the sports tab:

i36.photobucket.com


Anybody who thinks these tweets aren't funny because [insert your douchebag sport here] is really tough, come on, lighten up, Francis. The Heat pay Lebron a lot of money for him to deliver, but on that night he was carryout. That's funny and he won't love you for white knighting for him.
 
2012-06-25 08:40:03 PM

boozehat: LucklessWonder: Different Sports require different skill sets and different training and conditioning. Toughness is an arbitrary standard.

Right. Basketball for example, you need skills like, lifting a 250+lb player off the court when he gets a little cramp?:

[blogimages.thescore.com image 590x354]


I love the look on the face of the guy holding LeBJ's thigh....like "I'm inches away from LeBron's crotch right now....I'm in my happy place...."

Patterson: Basketball is filled with divas trying to milk a sprained knee to seem like they're "toughing it out" for the cameras a-la Paul Pierce (one of the most embarrassing moments of sissydom in sports history).


I see your Paul Pierce and flop a Dwyane Wade.
 
2012-06-25 08:41:59 PM
Ugh, lost part of my post, should've been "I'm inches away from LeBron's crotch...I'm not here right now...I'm in my happy place..."
 
2012-06-25 08:42:31 PM
I find it funny that people were pointing out that hockey players only play 15-20 minutes a game, but didn't point out that no NBA player averages 48 minutes a game. LeBron in the playoffs was about as close as one gets to playing all the minutes, and he averaged around 42 mpg (higher in the ECF and Finals). His regular season average was 37.5.

Clearly there's still a difference, but hockey players are going at 100% every second that they are on the ice, whereas basketball players do get a lot of time to walk or slowly jog. They also aren't spending 35 minutes a game jumping and landing, as some have implied.

Hockey is harder on the body itself. Basketball is harder on the legs (genetics sometimes play a part, sometimes not).
 
2012-06-25 08:43:45 PM
Actually, the legs can benefit in hockey because they're on ice and can have relatively low-stress conditions. However, frosting a goalie could be uncomfortable with someone who has knee injuries, as could hitting the wall or being tripped or whatever.
 
2012-06-25 08:47:55 PM

puffy999: Actually, the legs can benefit in hockey because they're on ice and can have relatively low-stress conditions. However, frosting a goalie could be uncomfortable with someone who has knee injuries, as could hitting the wall or being tripped or whatever.


Usually it's not your knees that are hurt when you frost an opposing goalie.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-06-25 09:24:10 PM
Mr. James, Come back from Hodgkin's lymphoma and then tell me how rough and tough your are.

Mr. Lemieux would like to laugh in your face.
 
2012-06-25 09:35:30 PM

SultanofSchwing: Rapmaster2000: SultanofSchwing: IAmRight: Cookbook's Anarchist: So compose yourself and present an opportunity where basketball players demand more physically than hockey players. We agree that they run and sprint, and collide and fight; they fall and flop and recover and trade positions, but hockey demands more for longer than basketball. Disprove me without derping about office skills.

Okay, you're still not understanding the argument. I've made it pretty damn clearly that this is not the argument at least a dozen times in this thread.

Anyone with more than four functioning brain cells has figured it out by now; I'm not going to waste my time with your non-figuring-out-how-f*cking-stupid-you-are ass.

You keep arguing for your supposed non-argument a lot.

I'm still curious how the "toughness of hockey players" is invalidated by you playing shiatball in your driveway while wearing a maxipad for a cup.

Lulz dude that homo couldn't even afford real gear. That's why ghetto trash all play basketball. Their dads can't buy them the sweet gear you need to play a real sport. Basketball = just a ball. Soccer = just a ball.

Just a ball = pussy.

Hockey and Lax = real gear to protect you in a real sport.

I wouldn't even waste my time on such a pencil-necked geek that probably gets most of his ice time from NHL 95 - the one without fighting - the one for little baby girls! Shiat yeah!

/hockey in winter
//lax in summer
///crushing it all year long

It must be difficult to type around your tongue, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this farking derp-nado.

Raised by a single parent, I was still able to play organized youth hockey for 10 years. It actually doesn't cost much, especially buying second hand, seasonal registration was anywhere from $350-550, more expensive as I got older. Everything but skates is easy to get second hand, even now I got a full set of -new- gear for my adult league for about $320, not including skates (about another $220). Betw ...


uhhhh..... my son just made a 16u travel team (goalie). fee just to play is 2k. 3 practices a week. 4 games a weekend. Get out the checkbook.

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-06-25 10:05:51 PM

toddism: uhhhh..... my son just made a 16u travel team (goalie). fee just to play is 2k. 3 practices a week. 4 games a weekend. Get out the checkbook.


Something tells me it's cheaper to get ice time in Ontario than Georgia.
 
2012-06-25 10:06:11 PM
Great lets just end this toughness debate now.


-2 deaths as a result of hitting your head on ice.
-2 deaths as a result of having your throat cut open by a skate.
-250 stitches as a result of taking a skate to the face.
-Blocking a slap shot period. Or worse taking a puck to your throat while blocking a slap shot.
-Ruptured Testicle. (I would love to see a basketball player play a few days after having surgery for this or better yet practicing between the time of injury and the time of surgery).

I mean from there we can move on to the fairly common cuts, broken noses, and losing teeth that result from hockey, but you keep playing for those so they do not count.

We can move on to just about every single study and survey that puts hockey above basketball (and above just about every other sport as well) as far as cardio goes.



It is a simple fact hockey players on average are tougher than basketball players. There is no shame in it hockey players are just freaks. No one is going to question a boxer, lets face it very very few basketball players would be willing to get in the ring with Mike Tyson. That is nothing to be ashamed of.


The long standing impacts of either sports though are pretty rough though.
Basketball players spend hours running on hard ground with frequent jumping and pivoting, it rips their knees apart. Add in generally large frames and decent mass and it just makes every single one of those moves worse.


Ice skating itself is relatively low impact on the body, however you add in that you are consistently colliding with both people moving at 10-20 mph (hockey players at full speed are up at around 30 mph but that is limited). It is essentially like someone hits you with a car, sure you are in full pads but someone still just ran into you with a car. Taking those kind of hits ruins your body (just like football).


Eating a charge from a 250 lb person is nothing like willingly taking multiple 80+ mph slap shots in a game in particular given or either taking or giving a hit in hockey. Fact is one 250 pound person going 15 mph has less energy than two 200 pound people going 10-15 mph, and worse than either of those, is the energy that is in a puck going 80+ mph because all of that energy is delivered to a single point. and if it is not on any of your thick pads it is going to hurt like a mother farker.
 
2012-06-25 10:26:54 PM

Flappyhead: toddism: uhhhh..... my son just made a 16u travel team (goalie). fee just to play is 2k. 3 practices a week. 4 games a weekend. Get out the checkbook.

Something tells me it's cheaper to get ice time in Ontario than Georgia.


rec isn't as bad ( 800 for august - march). Travel is expensive and yes, it's ice time.
 
2012-06-25 11:35:43 PM

toddism: Flappyhead: toddism: uhhhh..... my son just made a 16u travel team (goalie). fee just to play is 2k. 3 practices a week. 4 games a weekend. Get out the checkbook.

Something tells me it's cheaper to get ice time in Ontario than Georgia.

rec isn't as bad ( 800 for august - march). Travel is expensive and yes, it's ice time.


I played hockey in high school, and we had practice everyday. Of course to get that ice time we had to practice from 5 am to 6:30.
 
2012-06-26 12:15:21 AM

sparkeyjames: Basketball players are wimps. I mean come on when was the last time you heard
of a basketball player playing 3? days after having surgery on one of his testicles. (Lidstrom)


So now they're wimps because they don't have testicle injuries. And they're wimps because they don't take shots from pucks. Never mind the fact that the reason they don't take shots from pucks is BECAUSE THERE ARE NO F*CKING PUCKS IN THE SPORT.

Just think of it like Bo Jackson - he played football and baseball. Football players are hypothetically tougher than baseball players. So does Bo Jackson become a pussy when he's playing baseball and just get magically tougher when he's on the football field? Or does someone's toughness have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SPORT THEY PLAY?

Intelligent people would be able to point out the glaring holes in the logic of "this sport is difficult, therefore people who play it are innately tougher than anyone who plays any other sport." I guess hockey fans on Fark are especially stupid, though.

puffy999: but hockey players are going at 100% every second that they are on the ice


No they're not. They're frequently lazily skating out of the faceoff circle or standing around whacking at the goalie or positioning themselves between a player and the net. It's not 100% breakaways all the time.

Why is it so critical to hockey fans that hockey players be tougher than anyone else? It's not enough that it's a more physical sport, but everyone playing it has to be tougher than anyone from any sport. Because that's the reason people don't play it - not the high barrier to entry (for example, you actually have to learn to skate and buy skates AND have ice, while anyone with legs can play basketball)

Cookbook's Anarchist: Dude, the farking argument is are hockey players tougher than basketball players. You said no. I say yes


Okay, and you're arguing that based on the fact that one activity that they do is tougher, therefore they are as tough.

Are Marines tougher than college students? Because I've been both at the same time. Did I magically get tougher in the morning when I went to base, and magically get weaker when I went to school at night? No, I'm the same f*cking person.

If a basketball player goes and kicks every hockey player's ass, are they still tougher than him because they take some slap shots occasionally?
 
2012-06-26 12:19:21 AM

IAmRight: Are Marines tougher than college students? Because I've been both at the same time. Did I magically get tougher in the morning when I went to base, and magically get weaker when I went to school at night? No, I'm the same f*cking person.


Considering how you said you played hockey when you were standing in your driveway as a small child, I'm gonna guess that the "Marines" are the Cub Scouts and "College" is middle school.
 
2012-06-26 12:22:51 AM

cptjeff: Considering how you said you played hockey when you were standing in your driveway as a small child, I'm gonna guess that the "Marines" are the Cub Scouts and "College" is middle school.


Right, because street hockey isn't hockey! There aren't checks and rubberized projectiles being launched at you at high speeds! Everyone knows people that play ice hockey never play street hockey, either!
 
2012-06-26 12:38:21 AM
I guess it's really important when you're a hockey fan who has never been able to play competently at even a level where your family would bother to show up for a game to have someone to look down on, because you're a bunch of pathetic pretentious twats who get off on the idea of how wholesome and tough your heroes are. After all, your heroes overcame complete irrelevance to become semi-relevant when the Stanley Cup is being played for. Kind of. And it gnaws at you that no one cares at all about your sport, the greatest of all sports - after all, everyone who plays ranks among the toughest people alive, and it's the most difficult game to play. Why can people play it so long at a high level while they can't play other sports for that long? Because they're the toughest of the tough!

It's not that there is a limit on ice hockey participants, based on the fact that no one gives a sh*t about the sport in this country, the fact that you need an ice rink, the fact that you need to afford skates and equipment - even the guy claiming "oh it's so cheap!"...you can make your own damn basketball court for less than it costs to suit up one hockey player.

This is not a case of "everyone wants to play hockey when they're born, and the ones who can't handle its raw power quit and play other sports," which is what people seem to believe on this site. Almost no one in America grew up playing hockey. Almost no one even watches hockey. The only reason I even played in the neighborhood is because my neighbor moved from Buffalo where supposedly his uncle played backup goalie for the Sabres (don't care enough to look it up).

Hockey players are not innately tougher than anyone. Their sport is tougher, and so they seem tougher to people that can't discern the difference between organization and person. For example, there are countless people that you would look at them and you'd say "no way is that person, nor has that person ever been, a Marine." Yet they were. Are they tougher than anyone else? No. Did they do some sh*t that most people haven't done and doesn't sound very fun? Yeah. You'd be surprised what most people are capable of if they're in a situation where something is expected of them. If hitting people into the audience were allowed in basketball, some players would love the hell out of that. You wouldn't have talented players anymore, but basketball players would still be around and they'd be "tougher" to you. Some basketball players (particularly ones that have guarded Kobe Bryant) have taken dozens of elbows to the face per game. They get used to it because they don't get calls and they still have to be there.

No one f*cking plays effectively through cramps. In hockey, you can hide and just kinda be in the way for a while if you're hurt. The opposing team probably isn't going to score if you have a good goalie. If you go out on the court for an extended period of time playing 5-on-4 in the NBA, you're going to lose. The opposition is going to score, and they're going to score often.
 
2012-06-26 12:50:24 AM

IAmRight: cptjeff: Considering how you said you played hockey when you were standing in your driveway as a small child, I'm gonna guess that the "Marines" are the Cub Scouts and "College" is middle school.

Right, because street hockey isn't hockey! There aren't checks and rubberized projectiles being launched at you at high speeds! Everyone knows people that play ice hockey never play street hockey, either!


Do you not realize how stupid you sound?

I suppose that would require self awareness though...
 
2012-06-26 01:23:12 AM
To whoever was saying goalie equipment weighs 50 lbs, that's a complete BS number. My leg pads are the heaviest thing on me and together they weigh 10lbs, max. And, that's at 36" (a typical pro length) and the old 12" width, 2" more than the current rules. All told, I'd guess my equipment adds maybe 30lbs.

Not that it isn't hard to play goal, it is, but it's not the weight that gets you so much as the constant stop-start horizontal movement, an the equipment doesn't really hinder that. Sure, you're tired as hell at the end, goalies sweat 5-8lbs a game, but you'd be about as tired if you did the same movements equipment free.

Hell, most leg pads have knee supports that make it muh easier to do a butterfly down-up movement.

As for toughness, it's apples and oranges. No hockey player's legs take the repetitive pounding of basketball players (when was the last time a hockey player developed leg microfractres) but no basketball player faces the same risk of lacerations and contusions (not to mention concussions and impact related breaks). Having more esperience with hockey players, I suspect they're more willing to play through injury, but I'm not really basing that on anything scientific.

/ both sports' players are tougher than baseball players
 
2012-06-26 09:33:54 AM
I bet Chara's dad could kick Lebron's dad's ass.
 
2012-06-26 09:50:59 AM

WhiskeySticks: I bet Chara's dad could kick Lebron's dad's ass.


i.pravda.sk

"I got this one, kid...Now where's that Povich fellow with the DNA tests?"
 
2012-06-26 10:59:47 AM

TeamEd: As for toughness, it's apples and oranges. No hockey player's legs take the repetitive pounding of basketball players (when was the last time a hockey player developed leg microfractres) but no basketball player faces the same risk of lacerations and contusions (not to mention concussions and impact related breaks). Having more experience with hockey players, I suspect they're more willing to play through injury, but I'm not really basing that on anything scientific.


Thank you, this is all I'm saying. Apparently it's too difficult for some people to figure this out.
 
2012-06-26 11:01:58 AM

MugzyBrown: IAmRight: What's funniest is that probably everyone in here who says that NHL players are super tough and NBA players are wusses would walk across the street to get out of the way of an NBA player but wouldn't be scared of an NHLer at all.

Very true... I don't see the average hockey player easily taking a charge from LeBron.

Dion Phaneuf is considered a big hitter, he's 6'3, 215lb.

Lebron is 6'8, 250 and is very fast.


It's not just mass, balance plays a huge roll in hitting. I'm 6'3" 200 lb right now, and I've been knocked over by 5'11" 150-ish lb friend of mine a few times on the rink. He's got incredible skating skill and balance, and I have to hit him just right to knock him over. Now, when he's on the boards, I can squish him like a pancake, since balance isn't as important when using stationary objects.
 
2012-06-26 12:46:49 PM
NBA players are FAR FAR superior athletes compared to NHL players. The ultimate challenge for athleticism is the decathalon, and NBA players would crush NHL players in the decathalon. You'd favor the average NBA player in probably 7 of the 10 events minimum.

NHL guys are tough, definitely, and have great stamina. But let's not act like they could compete with NFL or NBA athletes in terms of pure athleticism. They are second or third tier athletes at best.
 
2012-06-26 04:25:22 PM

Boxingoutsider: NBA players are FAR FAR superior athletes compared to NHL players. The ultimate challenge for athleticism is the decathalon, and NBA players would crush NHL players in the decathalon. You'd favor the average NBA player in probably 7 84 of the 10 events minimum.

NHL guys are tough, definitely, and have great stamina. But let's not act like they could compete with NFL or NBA athletes in terms of pure athleticism. They are second or third tier athletes at best. I don't like them so I like to talk crap about them and just pull shiat out of my ass about decathalons and that kind of thing. Come at me, bro!



ftfy
 
2012-06-26 04:49:33 PM

Wulfman: ftfy


Sorry dude, but hockey players aren't better athletes than basketball players. They are tougher and whiter but not better athletes.
 
2012-06-26 05:12:50 PM

TheJoe03: Wulfman: ftfy

Sorry dude, but hockey players aren't better athletes than basketball players. They are tougher and whiter but not better athletes.



Wait, I made fun of Boxingoutsider for just making shiat up and pulling his argument out of his ass... and you thought the best response to that would be for you to pull shiat out of your ass? Does that actually make any sense in your head? Because I think you look like a grade A fool right now.

Here, I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate. You're wrong, hockey players are more athletic than basketball players.

But so far that's just an unfounded assertion, which means it's worthless bullshiat just like your post and Boxingoutsider's. So I'm going to take the extraordinary step of admitting that. Can you do the same for what you wrote?

Hell, while we're at it, I'm going to tell you that the folks at ESPN say that basketball is not more athletic than hockey. "But don't take our word for it. Take the word of our panel of experts, a group made up of sports scientists from the United States Olympic Committee, of academicians who study the science of muscles and movement, of a star two-sport athlete, and of journalists who spend their professional lives watching athletes succeed and fail."
Link

That's how you present an argument that isn't completely pulled out of your ass, my friend. You can try it if you like.
 
2012-06-26 05:24:36 PM

TheJoe03: Wulfman: ftfy

Sorry dude, but hockey players aren't better athletes than basketball players. They are tougher and whiter but not better athletes.


That's true. My childhood best friend and I came to that rational conclusion, right after the infamous "His Dad Is In Fact Stronger Than My Dad" debate of 1992. We submitted the paper to the same experts that concurred, without a doubt, that Mortal Kombat is superior to Street Fighter in every single way.

rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-06-26 05:28:15 PM

Wulfman: That's how you present an argument that isn't completely pulled out of your ass, my friend.


It's pulled out of many people's asses.
 
2012-06-26 05:44:27 PM
If a decathlon is the decider, it's a good thing swimming isn't involved, Detlef Schrempf can't swim.
 
2012-06-26 05:47:13 PM
To rationalize Boxingoutsider's incoherent rambling about how Superman could totally beat up The Hulk, let's review:

1.) NBA players are by FAR, FAR the best athletes
2.) LeBron got carried off the court like a 15 y/o girl whose prom date stepped on her foot
3.) But he's still tougher than the NHL players who make fun of him for it because see #1.

Okay, that's alright. I'm with you so far. Since #1 is irrefutable evidence that NBA players are by FAR, FAR the best athletes (in the same way as saying the Bible is true because it says so in the Bible) then there must be some reason why this godlike specimen known as LeBron was helped off the court with cramps. To be fair, subby's mom is always telling me that her monthly cramps are bad, so let's not make light of that. But still...there needs to be some sort of explanation for why such an everyday athletic problem required four people to lift his aforementioned 6' 40" 940 lbs of raw manliness.

Isn't there some other sport where gigantic men in peak physical condition seemingly run the gauntlet of punishment but always manage to get knocked out of the match at just the right moment?

bigbaddie.com
/NBA is bought, games are predetermined, injuries are drama for hype
//hgh
 
2012-06-26 06:04:07 PM

IAmRight: Wulfman: That's how you present an argument that isn't completely pulled out of your ass, my friend.

It's pulled out of many people's asses.



One might call it an Appeal to Authority if I said that it proved anything. But I didn't. So one wouldn't.
 
2012-06-26 06:37:53 PM
This thread is farking hilarious...
 
2012-06-27 12:24:52 AM

IAmRight:
This is not a case of "everyone wants to play hockey when they're born, and the ones who can't handle its raw power quit and play other sports," which is what people seem to believe on this site. Almost no one in America grew up playing hockey. Almost no one even watches hockey. The only reason I even played in the neighborhood is because my neighbor moved from Buffalo where supposedly his uncle played backup goalie for the Sabres (don't care enough to look it up).


This is kind of a broad generalization. You lived on the west coast where hockey is just planting its feet. Go to Maine/VT/MA/CT/RI/MI/WI and you'll see a different story. Hell, I grew up playing hockey and knew plenty of others that did as well in the Pittsburgh area and this was the late 80's and 90's. Its a growing sport but will never be as big as it could be in the USA because it is difficult for people in the lower 3/4's of America to relate to. It isn't a natural sport to those areas.
 
2012-06-27 01:39:44 AM

MugzyBrown: 3, 4 times a game you'll see a stick come up near the face of a hockey player and their head flies back and stick goes flying and gloves go flying as the player grabs his face and crumples to the floor trying to draw a penalty.

3 out of 4 times the guy barely got hit and has no evidence om his face of any contact.


I haven't waded through all 300 some posts yet, but I would like to say something about this. Getting hit in the face by a stick is a stunner. Depending on how it comes across, it might not leave a mark, but still may hurt like hell. Think of it like this: an object strikes you in the face....there is lots to damage there....but you don't know exactly what it hit or what damage it may have caused. It's a natural reaction to fall, if for no other reason than to protect yourself from further damage.

Maybe some of them are faking, but I would wager most of them crumple out of a sense of self-preservation.
 
2012-06-27 07:29:26 AM

Wulfman: Here, I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate. You're wrong, hockey players are more athletic than basketball players.


How? Are you hockey losers that sad and pathetic that you can't admit an obvious point. Sure hockey players are tougher but how exactly are hockey players more athletic than basketball players? Are they faster, do they jump higher, are they bigger, are they taller, are they more agile, etc? Was Gretzky a better athlete than Jordan? Is Crosby a better athlete than LeBron? You guys are the biggest loser fanboys I've seen in any sport. I'm now happy that American Dad reruns beat out the Stanley Cup playoffs. Jesus, hockey fans are really the most ignorant douche bags I've ever witnessed in sports.
 
2012-06-27 07:31:36 AM

SomethingWitty84: That's true.


So prove it wrong then. How exactly are hockey players better athletes? Prove me wrong.
 
2012-06-27 08:37:46 AM

TheJoe03: Wulfman: Here, I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate. You're wrong, hockey players are more athletic than basketball players.

How? Are you hockey losers that sad and pathetic that you can't admit an obvious point. Sure hockey players are tougher but how exactly are hockey players more athletic than basketball players? Are they faster, do they jump higher, are they bigger, are they taller, are they more agile, etc? Was Gretzky a better athlete than Jordan? Is Crosby a better athlete than LeBron? You guys are the biggest loser fanboys I've seen in any sport. I'm now happy that American Dad reruns beat out the Stanley Cup playoffs. Jesus, hockey fans are really the most ignorant douche bags I've ever witnessed in sports.



6/10. Would be 8/10 but it's so late in the game. Although... the fact that I gave a link that at least attempts to quantify these things, and you completely ignored it, is probably worth extra credit. I mean, that's NBA-level trolling, to be sure.
 
2012-06-27 10:10:28 AM

TheJoe03: SomethingWitty84: That's true.

So prove it wrong then. How exactly are hockey players better athletes? Prove me wrong.


I have nothing to prove, Hitchens. You're the one that made the all-sweeping claim that basketball players are across the board better athletes than those of a different sport. If you actually read and comprehended what I wrote, nowhere did I claim the superiority of one giant mish-mash pool of individuals over another. So no, tard, I don't have to prove a damn thing because I didn't claim anything.

I'll explain what I did do, since you have the reading comprehension of a mongoloid, was compare your broad, sweeping, un-provable statement which you offered without a shred of evidence, to the arguments of children over what video game characters are the best or which action star can punch the hardest.

But please, keep trying. I'm sure if you ask me to "prove" whatever you imagine I am claiming you'll sure back me into a corner.
 
2012-06-27 10:32:29 AM

TheJoe03: Sorry dude, but hockey players aren't better athletes than basketball players. They are tougher and whiter but not better athletes.

TheJoe03: [A]re hockey players more athletic than basketball players? Are they faster, do they jump higher, are they bigger, are they taller, are they more agile, etc? Was Gretzky a better athlete than Jordan? Is Crosby a better athlete than LeBron? You guys are the biggest loser fanboys I've seen in any sport.


Some good quality stuff there. Be sure to submit it for peer review.

thetechnohobo.com
 
2012-06-27 04:31:41 PM

TheJoe03: Wow, hockey players are just as annoying as their fans. Also funny to see the hockey fans try and claim that hockey has the better athletes, it's just getting sad at this point. Funny thing is I like hockey but the fans have been driving me away from the sport.


We promise not to miss you.
 
2012-06-27 04:33:44 PM

WhiskeySticks: I bet Chara's dad could kick Lebron's dad's ass.


Does lebron know who his dad is? Fun Fact: Many black kids don't.
 
2012-06-27 04:53:38 PM

DaCaptain19: WhiskeySticks: I bet Chara's dad could kick Lebron's dad's ass.

Does lebron know who his dad is? Fun Fact: Many black kids don't.


Many white kids don't know who lebron's dad is either.
 
2012-06-27 07:44:28 PM
Is this thread still going? Wow. OK then I can post this.
 
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