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2012-06-25 09:28:54 AM
EngineerAU: [25.media.tumblr.com image 640x216]
(epilogue, she died alone with her cats, wondering why no man ever pursued her)

A self proclaimed feminist friend recently got sick of men asking her while on dates for her permission to kiss her. She didn't want to be asked, she wanted it to happen "on its own"... unless the guy was ugly, drove a crappy car, or she just wasn't into him, in which case if he tried to kiss her without asking first it was typical patriarchical aggression. Guess she decided the need to be kissed without a lawyer standing by was worth risking the occasional toad because she's now gone 180 and hates feminist with a passion for "ruining [her] sex life".

It's a confusing world out there these days and the rules are poorly defined. No wonder some decide just to leave the playing field and quit trying.


Or, you know, she could just decide to be who she is rather than adopt opinions and behaviors as though they were the entrance dues to join some club. People spend way too much time trying to fit themselves into a category and way too little time considering the things they could be/do to make themselves and others happy.

/Just my 2c.
//For the record, my wife has a copy of the Gray book and I asked her to read it aloud during a road trip we took a few weeks back. Absolutely atrocious awful writing...and my preferred genre is science fiction
///srsly, the writing is flat out some of the worst I've heard
 
2012-06-25 09:31:05 AM
miss diminutive: Men would turn to porn or prostitutes in droves before turning gay. I don't think there's a guy out there who's thinking "I'm so tired of dealing with women and their bullshiat, I wonder if there's a dick around here I could suck..."

You'd be surprised, sort of. My very best 'knows where the bodies are buried' best friend is gay. He told me he's had more than one straight friend come to him saying how hard up they are and asking him to relieve their "tension" or whatever. See also: "men's parties"
 
2012-06-25 09:35:34 AM
FirstNationalBastard: So, according to this author, women are now completely useless?

For intercourse, so it seems. But there's still plenty of:
1) blowjobs,
2) sandwich making,
3) laundry (and other household chores),

...needing to be done, so don't rule 'em out just yet.
 
2012-06-25 09:38:24 AM
SurfaceTension: miss diminutive: Men would turn to porn or prostitutes in droves before turning gay. I don't think there's a guy out there who's thinking "I'm so tired of dealing with women and their bullshiat, I wonder if there's a dick around here I could suck..."

You'd be surprised, sort of. My very best 'knows where the bodies are buried' best friend is gay. He told me he's had more than one straight friend come to him saying how hard up they are and asking him to relieve their "tension" or whatever. See also: "men's parties"


I assume these straight men were asking him to pleasure them and not the other way around, right?
 
2012-06-25 09:38:44 AM
IrishBlunder: FirstNationalBastard: So, according to this author, women are now completely useless?

For intercourse, so it seems. But there's still plenty of:
1) blowjobs,
2) sandwich making,
3) laundry (and other household chores),

...needing to be done, so don't rule 'em out just yet.


Renting is much cheaper
 
2012-06-25 09:40:21 AM
cherryl taggart: She's right. Intercourse is boring. Toe curdling, sheet ripping, sleep afterwards for 4 hours orgasms are worth searching for. Once you've had it, your mate better be able to keep up, or said mate will soon be known as "the ex."

So close but damn, I can never make her toes curdle.

\can I buy a "d"?
 
2012-06-25 09:43:16 AM
MrBallou: Don't even try handing them one that's been canceled. They catch on fast...

Not if you target the dim-witted ones.
 
2012-06-25 09:44:12 AM
miss diminutive: I assume these straight men were asking him to pleasure them and not the other way around, right?

Yes, althought apparently guys at those men's parties can go either way. Friend says he can always tell the straight ones because they won't kiss him on the mouth.
 
2012-06-25 09:45:34 AM
IrishBlunder: FirstNationalBastard: So, according to this author, women are now completely useless?

For intercourse, so it seems. But there's still plenty of:
1) blowjobs,
2) sandwich making,
3) laundry (and other household chores),

...needing to be done, so don't rule 'em out just yet.


So if I'm married but I'm not getting beej's, my sandwiches aren't made for me and I do my own laundry, then I'm probably addicted to porn.
 
2012-06-25 09:50:34 AM
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.
 
2012-06-25 09:53:48 AM
KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

Well why don't you go fix that?
 
2012-06-25 09:54:54 AM
The author obviously spoke to my wife.
/wish I was kidding
//friendzoned by my wife
///the slashies love me
 
2012-06-25 09:56:11 AM
KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

I'm assuming this isn't by choice?
 
2012-06-25 09:58:50 AM
Women don't want to read about sex anymore because they are out having it.
 
2012-06-25 10:00:18 AM
To many posts to reply too but oddly these seem somewhat applicable to this thread.

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2012-06-25 10:00:27 AM
KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

intotheabyss81: The author obviously spoke to my wife.
/wish I was kidding
//friendzoned by my wife



That's not a relationship, that's a friendship. I suggest you rationally and calmly inform them that you're not blaming them for not wanting sex *but* if they have made up their minds that this is the way it's going to be, you're out of there. And do follow through. Life's to short to stick around with a woman that doesn't want to sleep with you, odds are she's not happy with the situation either, so you can either patch it up or end it. Going on is just condemning yourself to purgatory for the rest of your life.
 
2012-06-25 10:01:35 AM
tiamet4: FTFA: It has certainly put a new spring into the step of Cooper, too, as she sets about writing her latest work of romantic fiction that once again features highly sexed jockeys. "I am really working hard to get more sex into it than usual," she says. "I've got jockeys jumping on top of jockeys and horses jumping on top of horses. But I don't write about sex nearly as much as I used to. Well, it helps when you're having it."

After reading the article, I think the problem is that HER porn books aren't selling. I hate to break it to you, lady, but the reason is not that women aren't interested in sex. It's that you're a bad writer and probably a lousy lay.


Someone should tell her that there's nothing sexy about jockeys, ever.
 
2012-06-25 10:01:39 AM
Someone is at a minimum, confusing a symptom with a cause.

X doesn't want sex is very different from X doesn't want sex with her partner. Put George Clooney in the room and see them start to prance.

Just a rubbish article that fails to take into account the larger picture. There's a recession, heavy unemployment, everyone's worried about money. Yeah, libido tends to fall when there's a lot of stress on the marriage.
 
2012-06-25 10:03:06 AM
Tat'dGreaser: KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

Well why don't you go fix that?


It's a different story every time. I tried. I gave up.

/Throw it away?

miss diminutive: KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

I'm assuming this isn't by choice?


Well, not by my choice. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means, far from it. I just have to accept that this is how shiat is going to be, I guess.
 
2012-06-25 10:07:18 AM
phaseolus: Your friend's insane. "Feminism" didn't ruin anything, she did it all on her own.

I've been trying to "de-ignorant" myself and have spent a fair bit of time over the past couple of months trying to educate myself with respect to the current feminism "movement". Based on my research, I've come to the following conclusions:

1. 20% of "current feminists" promote the idea that women are human beings and deserve the same respect, advantages, and freedoms that men currently enjoy
2. 30% of "current feminists" have been sexually assaulted and, on various levels, fear and hate men
3. The remaining 50% of "current feminists" are basically losers trying to rationalize why they've failed at life (by blaming all of their shortcomings on the "hegemonic kyriarchy", refusing to accept any personal responsibility whatsoever, etc.)

Your friend sounds like she falls into the last category. No matter what choices she makes, if they don't turn out to her liking, "someone else" will be at fault.
 
2012-06-25 10:08:09 AM
Glockenspiel Hero: LavenderWolf: Toriko: skinink: I keep hearing the same thing that this book is not written very well but it's popular with women

I keep hearing that the acting in Debbie Does Dallas isn't very good, but men really like it. Maybe I should rent it and see what its about.

False equivalence.

Quality of writing means a lot more in a book than a porno movie. A terribly written porn novel is terrible even as porn; a terribly written porno movie still has people visibly having sex.


Actually, I'm not so sure this is the case. There are plenty of porn movies out there with really crappy sex in them. Visibly bored performers, horrible dialog, awful plastic surgery, bizarre noises, absurd positions, etc. Waaay back in my college days we used to have a "Cheap beer and porn" night and some of the stuff was so bad that it actually turned me off- it wasn't even bad enough to be funny.


Overall quality != writing quality
 
2012-06-25 10:08:30 AM
Gothnet: KiwDaWabbit: Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there is a thread like this twice a week. I'm getting a kick since I'm in a sexless relationship.

intotheabyss81: The author obviously spoke to my wife.
/wish I was kidding
//friendzoned by my wife


That's not a relationship, that's a friendship. I suggest you rationally and calmly inform them that you're not blaming them for not wanting sex *but* if they have made up their minds that this is the way it's going to be, you're out of there. And do follow through. Life's to short to stick around with a woman that doesn't want to sleep with you, odds are she's not happy with the situation either, so you can either patch it up or end it. Going on is just condemning yourself to purgatory for the rest of your life.


That's true. I have tried breaking up a couple of times figuring that if things are that bad, she wouldn't really care. But she seemed so crushed, so I didn't have the heart to follow through. It would be more of a mess since we lived together. Like I mentioned before, I know that I can be difficult to live with. I don't have any delusions about that. But, I think I am going to try and view it as more of a friendship for a while and try to empahsize improving ourselves and just see what happens from there.

Anyway, kind of derailed the thread.
 
2012-06-25 10:08:41 AM
gaslight: Someone is at a minimum, confusing a symptom with a cause.

X doesn't want sex is very different from X doesn't want sex with her partner. Put George Clooney in the room and see them start to prance.

Just a rubbish article that fails to take into account the larger picture. There's a recession, heavy unemployment, everyone's worried about money. Yeah, libido tends to fall when there's a lot of stress on the marriage.


Is that you, Fabio?

www.mikethefanboy.com
 
2012-06-25 10:10:14 AM
She's wrong, one visit to Youporn and she would see that women want more sex, with vegetables, bottles, bowling pins, dildos, other women, gangs of men, bedpost knobs, cell phones, vibrators, and on and on. They can't get enough.
They just don't want to have it with you.
 
2012-06-25 10:11:26 AM
SurfaceTension: miss diminutive: Men would turn to porn or prostitutes in droves before turning gay. I don't think there's a guy out there who's thinking "I'm so tired of dealing with women and their bullshiat, I wonder if there's a dick around here I could suck..."

You'd be surprised, sort of. My very best 'knows where the bodies are buried' best friend is gay. He told me he's had more than one straight friend come to him saying how hard up they are and asking him to relieve their "tension" or whatever. See also: "men's parties"


Honestly, that seems highly unlikely. Perhaps he misintperpreted what his straight friends were saying? I highly doubt a genuinely straight guy would approach an openly gay guy and ask him to relieve his "tension", not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
2012-06-25 10:14:43 AM
KiwDaWabbit: Well, not by my choice. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means, far from it. I just have to accept that this is how shiat is going to be, I guess.

Why? Did she provide a reason for her change in attitude towards sex?

If she's got no other reason besides "meh - I don't feel like it anymore" you've got every right to tell her that sex is very important to you and that without it you don't see the relationship moving forward.
 
2012-06-25 10:14:49 AM
omgwtfetc: SurfaceTension: miss diminutive: Men would turn to porn or prostitutes in droves before turning gay. I don't think there's a guy out there who's thinking "I'm so tired of dealing with women and their bullshiat, I wonder if there's a dick around here I could suck..."

You'd be surprised, sort of. My very best 'knows where the bodies are buried' best friend is gay. He told me he's had more than one straight friend come to him saying how hard up they are and asking him to relieve their "tension" or whatever. See also: "men's parties"

Honestly, that seems highly unlikely. Perhaps he misintperpreted what his straight friends were saying? I highly doubt a genuinely straight guy would approach an openly gay guy and ask him to relieve his "tension", not that there's anything wrong with that.


I guess there's not much room for misunderstanding if the "straight" guy lets the gay guy go down on him, though.
 
2012-06-25 10:14:59 AM
gaslight: Someone is at a minimum, confusing a symptom with a cause.

X doesn't want sex is very different from X doesn't want sex with her partner. Put George Clooney in the room and see them start to prance.

Just a rubbish article that fails to take into account the larger picture. There's a recession, heavy unemployment, everyone's worried about money. Yeah, libido tends to fall when there's a lot of stress on the marriage.


I nominate you to do that study and report it. But you'll get the same result. Even after 2 or 3 years, there's not a woman in the world who would still look at Clooney the same way she did the day they met. And see how Clooney likes it when he tries to romanticize or seduce a woman he's known for 3 years but can only get laid when she wants it, but has to be ready and willing at a moment's notice.
 
2012-06-25 10:15:23 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie: With men?

We're done here fellas. Pack it up, game over.
 
2012-06-25 10:15:52 AM
Women don't want sex? That's bullshiat. Of course women want sex. They just don't want sex with *you*!
 
2012-06-25 10:20:43 AM
miss diminutive: KiwDaWabbit: Well, not by my choice. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means, far from it. I just have to accept that this is how shiat is going to be, I guess.

Why? Did she provide a reason for her change in attitude towards sex?

If she's got no other reason besides "meh - I don't feel like it anymore" you've got every right to tell her that sex is very important to you and that without it you don't see the relationship moving forward.


I think it's mostly a confidence issue. We both need to get healthier, but my thing is that we can still be intimate while we're going toward that goal.

I hate the cliché, but it is pretty complicated and it's a bad cycle. I'm not meaning to get too sappy, but I do subscribe to the hypothesis that people potentially receive love in different ways. Mine are affection and intimacy, hers is companionship. Well, if I'm not fulfilled, it's much more difficult for me to be around her, and if she's not fulfilled, there's not going to be anything resembling a sexual turn-on.

She says, "I'm not getting it, either!", to which I say, "No, but it's always your decision." I mean, I'm not into rape.
 
2012-06-25 10:21:01 AM
I have to agree with the author, every woman I have ever met seemed to have absolutely no interest in sex. I'm sure it had nothing to so with me.
 
2012-06-25 10:28:17 AM
KiwDaWabbit: I think it's mostly a confidence issue. We both need to get healthier, but my thing is that we can still be intimate while we're going toward that goal.

I hate the cliché, but it is pretty complicated and it's a bad cycle. I'm not meaning to get too sappy, but I do subscribe to the hypothesis that people potentially receive love in different ways. Mine are affection and intimacy, hers is companionship. Well, if I'm not fulfilled, it's much more difficult for me to be around her, and if she's not fulfilled, there's not going to be anything resembling a sexual turn-on.

She says, "I'm not getting it, either!", to which I say, "No, but it's always your decision." I mean, I'm not into rape.



Well it does sound like you've got something to work on, it's not like I was advocating you just kick her to the kerb... keep communicating I guess.


Not that I'm Dr. Romance, I've been single for longer than I care to think about, mostly due to laziness.
 
2012-06-25 10:29:39 AM
Gothnet: Well it does sound like you've got something to work on, it's not like I was advocating you just kick her to the kerb... keep communicating I guess.


Not that I'm Dr. Romance, I've been single for longer than I care to think about, mostly due to laziness.


Thanks, man. I'm obviously not good at it, either. Hah.
 
2012-06-25 10:30:34 AM
omgwtfetc: Honestly, that seems highly unlikely. Perhaps he misintperpreted what his straight friends were saying? I highly doubt a genuinely straight guy would approach an openly gay guy and ask him to relieve his "tension", not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think the phrase one of his straight friends used was something along the lines of "man, I'm really hard up. Will you help me?" And yeah, it led to some serious awkwardness between them. It's to the point if I even TRY to joke around about stuff like that, my friend is like "there's a wall!" (meaning don't even go there in jest)
 
2012-06-25 10:39:06 AM
KiwDaWabbit: It's a different story every time. I tried. I gave up.

/Throw it away?


Well yea, either fix it or throw it away. My sympathy ends when you don't do anything to fix it.
 
2012-06-25 10:39:30 AM
Skirl Hutsenreiter: tiamet4: FTFA: It has certainly put a new spring into the step of Cooper, too, as she sets about writing her latest work of romantic fiction that once again features highly sexed jockeys. "I am really working hard to get more sex into it than usual," she says. "I've got jockeys jumping on top of jockeys and horses jumping on top of horses. But I don't write about sex nearly as much as I used to. Well, it helps when you're having it."

After reading the article, I think the problem is that HER porn books aren't selling. I hate to break it to you, lady, but the reason is not that women aren't interested in sex. It's that you're a bad writer and probably a lousy lay.

Someone should tell her that there's nothing sexy about jockeys, ever.


Very true and someone should tell her that *most* women aren't so much into the horse sex. Maybe her fixation with bestial voyeurism is why she's having trouble finding a compatible partner.
 
2012-06-25 10:39:54 AM
cherryl taggart: She's right. Intercourse is boring. Toe curdling, sheet ripping, sleep afterwards for 4 hours orgasms are worth searching for. Once you've had it, your mate better be able to keep up, or said mate will soon be known as "the ex."

Ahem.... ah, do go on in more detail. I'm listening...
 
2012-06-25 10:48:56 AM
Tat'dGreaser: KiwDaWabbit: It's a different story every time. I tried. I gave up.

/Throw it away?

Well yea, either fix it or throw it away. My sympathy ends when you don't do anything to fix it.


I wasn't asking for your sympathy, though. "Trying" is a matter of opinion, too. I feel like I try, but she sees it differently. I can't be held solely responsible for "fixing" it, at least in my eyes. There needs to be some level of cooperation.
 
2012-06-25 10:49:25 AM
Jim_Callahan: Woman says sex isn't marketable in literature recently. Uses a porn book that hit the NY Times bestseller list within the last year in her argument.

Stupid, or just really good at self-deception?

//Don't really see a need to analyze her rationalization for why porn books aren't selling well when, very clearly, they ARE selling well.


The problem is that her porn novels aren't selling well, so clearly the problem is with everyone else.
 
2012-06-25 10:50:16 AM
KiwDaWabbit: I wasn't asking for your sympathy, though. "Trying" is a matter of opinion, too. I feel like I try, but she sees it differently. I can't be held solely responsible for "fixing" it, at least in my eyes. There needs to be some level of cooperation.

Ok, then bail on the relationship.
 
2012-06-25 10:52:57 AM
cherryl taggart: Intercourse is boring....

you're doing it wrong
 
2012-06-25 10:57:57 AM
somehow i doubt the lady is on target
 
2012-06-25 10:58:06 AM
Tat'dGreaser: KiwDaWabbit: I wasn't asking for your sympathy, though. "Trying" is a matter of opinion, too. I feel like I try, but she sees it differently. I can't be held solely responsible for "fixing" it, at least in my eyes. There needs to be some level of cooperation.

Ok, then bail on the relationship.


I did try that, last week, actually. The next day, she was hospitalized and is still there now. I know the two aren't related necessarily, but it's a bit more complicated at this point. I feel like I need to do my best to not be selfish and figure the health problems out first.
 
2012-06-25 10:58:07 AM
Where are the tinfoil hats? Isn't there something in the water or in our fruit or something making women not want sex anymore?
I don't know, but it would have to be something that the intended audience eats but the hispanic ladies at Wal*Mart with the 6 kids at her feet don't consume. My best guess? Government issued anti-sex chemicals in sushi!

/Finally, the Japanese will have their revenge.
//a dish best served cold, slimy, and disgusting, wrapped in god knows what and tastes like ugly
///wait, are we talking about sex or sushi now?
 
2012-06-25 10:59:55 AM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i49.tinypic.com image 549x576]

epic win!

Also, from TFA: "But I don't write about sex nearly as much as I used to. Well, it helps when you're having it."

THANKS FOR THAT VISUAL!!!! I'm Jack's puke-burned throat
 
2012-06-25 11:00:14 AM
KiwDaWabbit: I did try that, last week, actually. The next day, she was hospitalized and is still there now. I know the two aren't related necessarily, but it's a bit more complicated at this point. I feel like I need to do my best to not be selfish and figure the health problems out first.

Ok, well I can understand the difficulty but sometimes you have to take care of yourself. She's just going to drag you down with her
 
2012-06-25 11:01:46 AM
Tat'dGreaser: KiwDaWabbit: I wasn't asking for your sympathy, though. "Trying" is a matter of opinion, too. I feel like I try, but she sees it differently. I can't be held solely responsible for "fixing" it, at least in my eyes. There needs to be some level of cooperation.

Ok, then bail on the relationship.


Okay, all I can suggest is couple's counselling and getting her to get her hormone levels checked. If her hormone's are farked up she won't want sex. If she is on the pill that'll do it too.
 
2012-06-25 11:05:57 AM
shortymac: Okay, all I can suggest is couple's counselling and getting her to get her hormone levels checked. If her hormone's are farked up she won't want sex. If she is on the pill that'll do it too.

Those are good ideas. We did try counseling late last year, but only for three sessions (that's what work would cover). We got into a fight the weekend before the third session and wound up going alone. I was told that I needed to have a personality profile done, not more counseling.

We think that the pill was a major factor in what put her in the hospital, actually.
 
2012-06-25 11:10:11 AM
KiwDaWabbit: Tat'dGreaser: KiwDaWabbit: It's a different story every time. I tried. I gave up.

/Throw it away?

Well yea, either fix it or throw it away. My sympathy ends when you don't do anything to fix it.

I wasn't asking for your sympathy, though. "Trying" is a matter of opinion, too. I feel like I try, but she sees it differently. I can't be held solely responsible for "fixing" it, at least in my eyes. There needs to be some level of cooperation.


Your situation sounds familiar to one I recently experienced. EIP if you need it.
 
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