acefox1: Didn't realize the actress voicing Merida was also Carla Jean Moss in No Country For Old Men... friendo. Very cool!

We saw her bonnie set o' tets back in Trainspotting.

My 6 year old son loved it, as did I. The end was a little intense for him, and he was wrapped around my arm and half in my lap during those scenes, but he came out of it declaring that Merida is awesome and that he wants to learn archery.

What a bunch of shiat! I enjoyed "Brave" and thought it was up to Pixar's usual high standards. I'm not exactly sure how it's a "girl's film" either. Just because it has a girl as the lead?! Phooey!

I actually was lucky enough to see it on Dolby's new Atmos surround system. Only 14 screens in the US have the system, but If you have the opportunity, take advantage. It's well worth it. Definitely effortless, immersive, state-of-the-art sound unmatched in any pro cinema setting.

Seriously, animating that tangled mass of ginger hair for almost every scene in that movie must have been a nightmare. I hope they had some incredibly smart software to make that a bit easier. It came out looking awesome.

/I can haz redhead thread?

Lee Unkrich's 'Dia Del Muertos' Project
Pete Docter's Untitled Pixar Movie That Takes You Inside The Mind

Like Viagra for my Pixar boner

Dahnkster: Lee Unkrich's 'Dia Del Muertos' Project
Pete Docter's Untitled Pixar Movie That Takes You Inside The Mind

Like Viagra for my Pixar boner

Yeah, very exciting!

Wall-E is very overrated. Great robots, horrible movie. Maybe one of the most overrated movies of all time.

I'm not looking forward to Brave, but the kids want to see it.

IMO, Pixar is incredibly overrated. Some very good stuff (like Incredibles), but mostly unentertaining stuff for Apple nerds. Good for one viewing to say you've seen it, and then back in the pile of stuff never to be seen again.

legion_of_doo: Wall-E is very overrated. Great robots, horrible movie. Maybe one of the most overrated movies of all time.

I'm not looking forward to Brave, but the kids want to see it.

IMO, Pixar is incredibly overrated. Some very good stuff (like Incredibles), but mostly unentertaining stuff for Apple nerds. Good for one viewing to say you've seen it, and then back in the pile of stuff never to be seen again.

potato/10

legion_of_doo: Wall-E is very overrated. Great robots, horrible movie. Maybe one of the most overrated movies of all time.

I'm not looking forward to Brave, but the kids want to see it.

IMO, Pixar is incredibly overrated. Some very good stuff (like Incredibles), but mostly unentertaining stuff for Apple nerds. Good for one viewing to say you've seen it, and then back in the pile of stuff never to be seen again.

Studman69 doesn't like Pixar??

And seriously hates WALL-E?

I am really sad for you. Just curious, what animated films in the last 15 years you would consider superior to Pixar's body of work?

skepticultist: It's not that it takes liberties with realism, it's that the idea of sentient cars just raises so many unanswered questions that I can't imagine I'd enjoy the movie. The trailer for the movie just raises so many dumb questions for me. I mean, why would a world of sentient cars even exist? Who builds them? Why would a van exist if there aren't people who need more cargo space? How come they don't have hands but have tools? Who builds their houses?

And the thing is, I don't care what the answers are, because the answers would just raise more questions, and any movie that actually managed to answer all the questions a world of sentient cars without drivers raises would probably be really dull.

You seen Doc Hollywood? It's pretty much the same film, but with animated cars. For me, it's my least favourite Pixar movie. At least I didn't spend money to see Cars 2.

Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

I only cry watching baseball movies starring Kevin Costner.

Harry_Seldon: Dougie AXP: DadOfThree: It wasn't bad, but geared towards girls.... The nudity was unexpected though.

It did make my 7 year old cry, which is always nice, but I almost lost it during Toy Story 3, so perhaps it's inherited.

If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

I only cry watching baseball movies starring Kevin Costner.

Waterworld made me cry.

Dougie AXP: If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

Oh, Lord, not this. Look, I have no problem with Up (which I did feel WAS genuine), but the end of TS3 was emotional manipulation and I was more insulted by it than anything else. It was a lot of "things couldn't get worse, right? Well, we're going to make them worse just to make you feel bad". It was bad enough that the movie was a re-tread of TS2 to start with.

I just hate the whole snotty "I'm going to shut down this argument by saying there's something wrong with you". I've been hearing that crap a lot lately, and in defense of some rather mediocre movies, no less. Get over yourself, not everybody's going to have the same opinion of stuff as you.

Six_By_Nine: Dougie AXP: If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

Oh, Lord, not this. Look, I have no problem with Up (which I did feel WAS genuine), but the end of TS3 was emotional manipulation and I was more insulted by it than anything else. It was a lot of "things couldn't get worse, right? Well, we're going to make them worse just to make you feel bad". It was bad enough that the movie was a re-tread of TS2 to start with.

I just hate the whole snotty "I'm going to shut down this argument by saying there's something wrong with you". I've been hearing that crap a lot lately, and in defense of some rather mediocre movies, no less. Get over yourself, not everybody's going to have the same opinion of stuff as you.

I know a lot of people refer to the incinerator scene, and I assume that's what you're referring to as well, when they talk about the tear-jerking scene. And you're right. That scene isn't as much a tear-jerker as much as it is the climax of a thrilling action scene.

The real emotional magic comes at the very end as Andy stops by Bonnie's house and passes the relics of his childhood, unwillingly in the case of Woody, to her.

Ringshadow: Mr Talbot: How to Train Your Dragon is the only Dreamworks one that is in a class with Pixar IMO. Brilliant movie.


"Antz" would like a word...

Tanukis_Parachute: Up (the first part is great and entertaining up until the old explorer shows up. I do like Doug though).
The Incredibles

I agree with your assessment on Up. I think Up gets most of its credit for the first 10 minutes, despite a not-great, but still good, rest of the movie. However, I would place the Incredibles above it. I watched Up and the Incredibles was on TV immediately afterward. Up kind of left me with a "yeah, the first 10 minutes were great... but that's it?" while rewatching The Incredibles kind of under-scored how much better of a film it was.


other thoughts: Brave looks too close to being a Dreamworks picture for me, both in look and in humor. I'm sure it's not that bad, but I have no interest in it. Even though I like Monsters, Inc, I'm not too keen on a sequel to it (though I also haven't seen the previews for Monsters, inc. 2). I'm hesitant to call it a rut since no one's seen Monster inc 2 yet, but it kind of looks like Pixar is headed that way, at least temporarily.

AverageAmericanGuy: The real emotional magic comes at the very end as Andy stops by Bonnie's house and passes the relics of his childhood, unwillingly in the case of Woody, to her.

You're right. But in all fairness, I was worn out enough by the incinerator scene that the rest of the movie just felt like, "come on, end already". I probably would have been more uplifted by that scene if I hadn't been yanked around before then.

It was waaaay too much of a pile on that the rest of it felt kind of insincere.

It's a movie for kids, so when my 8 and 4 year-olds want to go see it, I will happily go with them.

/Sheesh

AverageAmericanGuy: Skipping on Cars because of Larry the Cable Guy is like skipping on Toy Story because of Jim Varney.

Jim Varney could do the hell out of Shakespeare. I'd be surprised if the guy playing Larry could spell Shakespeare.

Summoner101: If the supposed low mark of your studio is Brave, you are clearly doing most everything right.

Pretty much THIS.

"Brave" was a pretty good movie. No, it wasn't Pixar's best movie. Yes, it's well worth the price of admission to see.

I saw it last night and loved it. I laughed a lot, cried a little, and made plans to go see my mom after. The animation was freaking incredible. Merida's hair was awesome, and the horse's movement and body language were perfect. The score is great, too!

Brave got the whole mother/daughter relationship as well. There's a scene where Merida and Elinor fight and it perfectly captures that moment where you both lose it, you both say a little too much and there's that hush. The one where you know you went too far and hurt something that you might not be able to fix. And you're stuck, torn between getting away from that hurt or possibly making it worse by staying.

I was hoping for a cameo from these two.

Dougie AXP: If the end of TS3 and the beginning of Up don't reduce you to tears/choke you up, regardless of gender, then you have no soul.

I have no soul, for I wanted the toys to die.

AverageAmericanGuy: Ashtrey: at the beginning of Up I thought 'That man lived for a good 70 years with the love of his life. I could dream of being so lucky'.

But you missed that he was never able to help Ellie realize her dreams?

The painful part was that in his eyes he broke every promise he thought he made to her, and she died before he ever could make good.

And the movie went downhill from there. Not even Dug could save that piece of trash.

Squirrel.

Major-General: AverageAmericanGuy: Ashtrey: at the beginning of Up I thought 'That man lived for a good 70 years with the love of his life. I could dream of being so lucky'.

But you missed that he was never able to help Ellie realize her dreams?

The painful part was that in his eyes he broke every promise he thought he made to her, and she died before he ever could make good.

And the movie went downhill from there. Not even Dug could save that piece of trash.

Squirrel.

Totally agree. I thought the dogs were especially bad.

People dont like Pixar movies?

I don't know how to readily say it, but Pixar movies tend to be either traditional or groundbreaking. Since groundbreaking is the exception (and not the norm) I'll focus on them.

Groundbreaking:
Up. 10 minutes of silence, with the rest of the movie featuring an old man. There's not too many modern day movies - let alone kid's films - where the main character has issues walking and chewing. Thus, this cannot be easily compared to the rest of Pixar's lineup

Wall-E. The first 1/3 of the movie is a silent film, with the main protagonist only really able to say 'Wall-E' or 'Eva'. What makes this film great is that the bulk of it is expressed to the audience through facial expressions, and nothing really else. Cannot easily be compared to any other Pixar movie.

Ratatouille. It's a kid's movie, taken place in a restaurant. This reason alone is why this movie is groundbreaking. It took an idea that nobody thought would work, and ran with it. It's an original premise (a rat that loves to cook) and with wonderful execution.

The rest of the Pixar movies are predictable, though enjoyable, kid's movies. They all kind of are based on the same formula (self-improvement, except for Cars 2 which is making the mou$e some money), but are derivative. I strongly feel that these three movies above are Pixar's cream of the crop, because they're so different and so risk-taking compared to the rest..

There are two kinds of posters here:

1. I took to the movie and they loved it, as it's meant for kids but with enough nuances that adults can enjoy it too.

2. This movie is missing elements that made Braveheart such a beloved movie. I fully expect this movie, made for kids, to appeal to my snobbish yet pedestrian movie going desires.

This is getting as bad as a Politics thread.

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Seriously, animating that tangled mass of ginger hair for almost every scene in that movie must have been a nightmare. I hope they had some incredibly smart software to make that a bit easier. It came out looking awesome.

/I can haz redhead thread?

Dynamic hair ftw. No hair-animation required.

It probably put their render farm through the ringer, though. That's some pretty complex CG hair.

acefox1: Seriously, animating that tangled mass of ginger hair for almost every scene in that movie must have been a nightmare. I hope they had some incredibly smart software to make that a bit easier. It came out looking awesome.

/I can haz redhead thread?

They created special software just for her hair. Evidently it's the first time they've changed their software since Toy Story.

Andric - the hair alone took 3 years of work, more than all of Cars 2

Devo Cornholiosky: Andric - the hair alone took 3 years of work, more than all of Cars 2

Considering that the entire "NO CAPES!" sequence in The Incredibles was a thinly-veiled justification for not including pieces of cloth that flutter around and are incredibly annoying to render, that's not surprising.

I know that arranged marriages exist in any number of foreign territories that this film hopes to make money in (to be fair, some arranged marriages are more rooted in mutual consent than others), but it's almost disturbing how the film utterly ignores the darker implications of such a concept.

Really? Seriously?

You go to a children's movie wanting and expecting to see that film that explore the darker implications of arranged marriages?

You're an idiot.

I suspect I'll see it once it's on Netflix. We only go to superhero movies in the theaters.

Tyrone Slothrop: acefox1: Seriously, animating that tangled mass of ginger hair for almost every scene in that movie must have been a nightmare. I hope they had some incredibly smart software to make that a bit easier. It came out looking awesome.

/I can haz redhead thread?

They created special software just for her hair. Evidently it's the first time they've changed their software since Toy Story.

They had good code for hair as far back as Monsters, Inc. The scene where Sully lies face-down in the snow as the wind blows his fur was a jaw-dropper for anyone who knows how hard it is to model that kind of thing mathematically with any kind of realism.

I haven't seen Brave yet, but the people I know who have say that the artwork is phenomenal.

Keizer_Ghidorah: My favorite Pixar film:

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That is by far the single worst film ever made with Windows Movie Maker.

I saw Brave this weekend with my son (3 1/2). His second movie. The animation was gorgeous and overall i thought it was a good story. The writer does make some compelling arguments about the pacing of the movie and the significance of some of the action during climatic points. I did miss some of the movie as my son needed about a ten minute intermission where we walked around the lobby looking and talking about posters. Even missing some of the middle the emotional weight of the final act still rang true for me and it was much better than Cars 2. Worth an early bird admission.

Shrugging Atlas: fusillade762: Am I the only person on Earth who thought Wall-E was awful?

Dunno. I didn't dislike it, but I was shocked by how many people went nuts over the film.

This. People go crazy about that film. I thought it was okay, and impressive that they weaved a story with robots who could only say their own name. But to say it was their best work, or that it is in the top 3 is a little crazy.

Brave II: Revenge of the Ginger is already in production. I don't know what's funnier, that this movie outdrew Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter or that there was a fark thread dedicated to wonderment over Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter was cited as a movie which took liberties with historical fact.

DeaH: gadian: It's a girl movie. So, of course it must suck.

Yep. A female-centered movie. There's no prince in sight. The heroine is not a sex object (except for the inevitable Rule 34 stuff that is no doubt coming). The primary relationship is between the mother and daughter. Unlike virtually every Disney princess movie, the mother is neither dead nor bent on her daughter's destruction. Yet most of the reviews I've read by men say there's nothing revolutionary about this movie.

good points.

tafka: "Mum, mom, mam' for the love of the deities woman, sick to a freaking pronunciation in the same farking sentence!

The should have chosen wisely for the female lead. If they had, the glaring plot holes would have been glossed over by the sheer prettiness of the film.

On the upside, hubby took me out for pizza afterward so the night wasn't a COMPLETE wash!

So, the award winning Scottish actress playing the Scottish lead didn't work for you?